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  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 6, 2017 7:19 p.m.

    "Most of Michigan's injured players were back for the Holiday Bowl and that same group of players finished #2 in the Final AP poll in 1985."

    What does '85 have to do w/'84?

    It's a given kids improve from year-to-year....However, 6-6 screams mediocre....Can't put lipstick on a pig.

    UM was so good that year that byu's Sos finished the year ranked 3rd worst in the nation, when they had a slew of narrow Ws against mediocre-to-poor teams, including 3-7-1 Pitt, who got steamrolled by Ou on the identical field merely 2 weeks later....Lol.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 6, 2017 6:17 p.m.

    Uteology

    Michigan 1984 was MUCH better than their 6-6 record, especially defensively.

    The started the season beating then #1 Miami and were ranked #3 and were very much in the discussion for a national championship when they lost to eventual #2 Washington 11-20.

    Michigan was still in the hunt for a national championship, ranked #13 in early October, before a rash of injuries derailed their national championship aspirations.

    Most of Michigan's injured players were back for the Holiday Bowl and that same group of players finished #2 in the Final AP poll in 1985.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 6, 2017 5:59 p.m.

    Which division/conference titles are byu playing for?

    The PAC-12 has only existed since '11....Since then, byu is merely 4-9 against them, only beating bottom-dwellers & getting blown-out more than once on their homefield.

    byu is 1-9 against The PAC-12 South, w/their only W coming against bottom-feeder U of A on a last second FG....Lol.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 6, 2017 5:32 p.m.

    @Phoenix

    The 1984 Wolverines finished 6-6, Bo’s first and only non-winning season at Michigan.

    Worse MI teams? 1967 and then 2003.

    Congrats, on an impressive win!

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 6, 2017 4:41 p.m.

    Uteology

    The ONLY thing that separated BYU from going 2-1 vs the PAC 12 in 2016 was a missed two-point conversion.

    Versus the PAC 12 since 2005

    BYU is 11-13 (46%)
    Utah is 25-29 (46%)

    The vast disparity that our insecure little brothers claim exists between BYU and Utah is nothing but a crimson-colored pipe dream.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    May 6, 2017 4:27 p.m.

    Uteology

    Utah, like James Madison, is nationally irrelevant, with zero CFP and NY6 invitations.

    The Utes aren't even capable of winning a division title.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 6, 2017 4:20 p.m.

    Uteology

    Study the list a little more carefully and tell us how many PAC 12 teams ranked higher than BYU the Utes beat, and how many teams ranked lower than BYU the Utes lost to.

    The truth is, beating BYU helped propel U into the AP, Coaches, and CFP Top 25.

    If BYU's two-point conversion had been successful, BYU would have been ranked in the AP, Coaches, and CFP, and the Utes would have been unranked.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 6, 2017 2:12 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority - Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2017 12:43 p.m.
    "BYU is always better than half the PAC 12,"

    2016
    #4 Washington
    #10 USC
    #18 Stanford
    #26 Colorado

    #36 BYU

    #37 Utah
    #58 Cal
    #70 UCLA
    #75 OSU
    #77 Oregon
    #90 ASU
    #102 Arizona

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    So is #33 James Madison. LOL

    Like BYU, JM is nationally irrelevant with ZERO CFP poll appearances.

    Also like BYU, JM wouldn't finish 14-1 in a "real" league.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 6, 2017 1:52 a.m.

    SportsFan - Provo, UT
    May 3, 2017 7:35 a.m.
    Uteology

    The ONLY thing that separated BYU from finishing 2016 ranked, and Utah not, was BYU's failed 2-point conversion.

    BYU is ALWAYS better than at least half of your PAC 12 opponents.

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    You are, then why is BYU 1-9 vs PAC-12 South? Your only win was over 4-8 Arizona at a neutral site.

    The ONLY thing that separated BYU from going 0-10 vs P12 South was a timeout.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    May 5, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    SpokaneUte

    "Wow, what a huge victory over #24 Air Force."

    It's hilarious how Utah fans constantly beat their chests about their glorious, undefeated 2004 season, when the only decent team U beat was #25 Pittsburgh at a neutral site...

    and to "qualify" for a BCS bowl, you didn't beat a single team that finished with better than a 7-5 record.

    What U and most BYU haters conveniently overlook about 1984 is the Michigan victory was the culmination of a 24-game winning streak and back-to-back Top 7 finishes, an achievement so unfathomable on the hill, that it doesn't even register on your radar.

    Compare BYU 1979-1984, with Utah 1999-2004 or 2003-2008, and it's easy to see...

    -how BYU was able to convince the majority poll voters that BYU 1984 wasn't just a fluke and deserved to be selected national champions.

    -why Utah was considered a fluke and was never given serious national championship consideration.

    Utah was barely ranked for the first time in a decade in 2003.

    Utah had been unranked for three straight seasons in 2007.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 5, 2017 4:02 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Pick One:

    A. Win this bowl and you'll finish 1st.
    B. Win this bowl and you'll finish 2nd.

    Which bowl do you pick?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 5, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Playing in the Sugar Bowl in their back yard and being "unmotivated". Yeah right. That's a real knee slapper."

    Only from a crimson-goggled Utah fan's perspective.

    Most Alabama fans and players were bitterly disappointed that the Tide was stuck playing a meaningless game against a team from the MWC, rather than playing Oklahoma for the national championship.

    Prior to the game, a reporter asked Nick Saban about the 2009 Sugar Bowl, and he had this to say:

    "There's very little interest from our fans, our players or anybody else to play in the Sugar Bowl,"

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 5, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "I will take a victory over 11-1 Alabama in their back yard over a narrow defeat of the worst Michigan team in Bo Shembelchers[sic] career any day."

    Not if meant playing for a National Championship, rather than a 2nd-place finish in one poll.

    btw, calling the Michigan team that BYU beat the worst Bo Schembechler team in history, simply demonstrates how clueless you are about how good that team was, especially defensively.

    If Michigan had beaten Ohio St in their regular season finale, the Wolverines would have been playing in the Rose Bowl instead of the Holiday Bowl.

    The same group of players that lost to BYU in 1984, finished #2 in the final AP poll in 1985.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 5, 2017 10:49 a.m.

    talkin nonsense

    I will take a victory over 11-1 Alabama in their back yard over a narrow defeat of the worst Michigan team in Bo Shembelchers career any day. Playing in the Sugar Bowl in their back yard and being "unmotivated". Yeah right. That's a real knee slapper. .

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 5, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Just the False

    BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road in 1984.
    Who did Utah beat during the entire regular season in 1944?
    ----------------------
    I could care less about 1944. Wow, what a huge victory over #24 Air Force. That's something to hang your hat on. No mention of beating that mighty 6-6 Michigan team? Now that's curious.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 4, 2017 8:12 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    So BYU's #12 ranking with an 11-2 record and a SOS of #61 is laughable,

    but, Utah's #23 ranking with a 9-4 record and a SOS of #60 is legitimate?

    Only in the delusional world of Utedom.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 4, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    Despite the spin from the hill, the biggest difference between BYU 2016 and Utah 2016 was a failed two-point conversion - which was ultimately determined by one missed block.

    If BYU's two-point conversion had been successful:

    - BYU would have beaten Utah 21-20
    - BYU would have finished 10-3
    - BYU would have finished the season ranked in the AP, Coaches, and CFP Top 25

    - Utah would have lost to BYU 20-21
    - Utah would have finished 8-5
    - Utah would have finished the season unranked in the AP, Coaches, and CFP Top 25

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    Spokane Ute

    "Sure beats beating a 6-6 Michigan team and winning a bogus NC by default over 30 years ago."

    Don't kid yourself.

    There isn't a team in the country that wouldn't trade a Sugar Bowl Trophy for a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy...

    in a heartbeat.

    It's absolutely hysterical how jealous Utah fans whine about 1984, but don't feel any shame, whatsoever, in hanging that 1944 NCAA tournament championship banner in the Huntsman.

    BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road in 1984.
    Who did Utah beat during the entire regular season in 1944?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 4, 2017 1:56 p.m.

    54-IQ

    Please enlighten us why the most important metric of success for the mighty PAC 12 Utes is their head-to-head record versus their big brothers.

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    Spokane Ute

    "Sure beats beating a 6-6 Michigan team..."

    Since BYU was already ranked #1 in BOTH major polls, beating Michigan secured the 1984 National Championship for BYU.

    Remind us what beating an unmotivated Alabama team secured for U...

    oh, ya

    a distant 2nd place finish in ONE poll.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 4, 2017 1:24 p.m.

    Weber State's Little Sister:

    The truth is, your only truly significant accomplishment on a national scale was beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, and that only earned U a distant 2nd place finish in one poll, not even close to winning a consensus National Championship.
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    Sure beats beating a 6-6 Michigan team and winning a bogus NC by default over 30 years ago. At least we earned what we got that season. How sad to be reduced to having to jump in your time machine on every thread. When's the last time you were even ranked? Utah finished in the top 25 the last 3 years Sporto.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2017 1:24 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    May 4, 2017 1:10 p.m.

    Please enlighten us with the head to head statistics for the last decade.

    We'll wait........

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 4, 2017 1:10 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Comparing BYU '06-'09 to U '12-'16 is straight ridiculous when one considers SOS..."

    The rankings speak for themselves.

    BYU - THREE Top 15 finishes
    2006 #16/#15
    2007 #14/#15
    2008 #25/#21
    2009 #12/#12

    Utah - ZERO Top 15 finishes
    2013 unranked
    2014 #22/#21
    2015 #17/#16
    2016 #23/#21

    It's hilarious how rankings are only "meaningful" to Utah fans when they support your crimson-colored view of the world.

    Utah's SOS in 2004 (#67) and in 2008 (#56).

    hmmm...

    I guess we shouldn't count Utah's rankings then either.

    btw, BYU's 2007 SOS was #59 and in 2009 it was #61; Utah's SOS in 2016 was #60.

    Such a "massive" difference.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 4, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    Comparing byu '06-'09 to U '12-'16 is straight ridiculous when one considers SOS....Lol.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 4, 2017 11:45 a.m.

    BCS bowl games/CFP Poll + 6 straight & counting & 11 of 14....Who's your Daddy?

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 4, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    bro roscoe

    "yes BYU fans, U have storied history, much like Army and Colorado, (Utah's new rival)"

    - Army and Colorado have NEVER finished a season ranked #1 AP and #1 Coaches

    - Your "new rival" barely knows that U exist - to the Buffs, you're just another conference foe

    - Utah fans come on a blog about Utah football and do nothing but attack BYU fans for daring to compare BYU football to Utah football

    - the 80's may have been a long time ago, but BYU still accomplished more then, than Utah has accomplished in the last hundred and twenty-three seasons

    Utah fans desperately try to pretend that college football history didn't begin until 2003, because before then, Utah never had conference champion that was ranked in the final Top 25.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 4, 2017 10:12 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "When was the last time BYU actually BEAT Utah on the field Mr. Helper? You seem to have missed that one. I also notice no mention of BCS bowls?"

    It's interesting how Utah fans constantly whine about the "age" of BYU accomplishments, that Utah has NEVER achieved.

    When was the last time Utah? ...

    - won a National Championship
    - won a Heisman Trophy
    - had a player inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame
    - had the best QB, Passer, RB or Interior Lineman in the country
    - finished in the AP Top 25 four straight seasons
    - played in 12 straight bowl games
    - had back-to-back Top 7 finishes
    - had back-to-back 11+ win seasons

    You brag about winning a bunch of recent, extremely close head-to-head games versus BYU, but what exactly did that accomplish for Utah on a national scale?

    The truth is, your only truly significant accomplishment on a national scale was beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, and that only earned U a distant 2nd place finish in one poll, not even close to winning a consensus National Championship.

  • brother roscoe Lehi, UT
    May 4, 2017 8:56 a.m.

    yes byU fans, U have storied history, much like Army and Colorado, (Utah's new rival), why is that the only drum U all can bang? Come on a thread about Utah football and try convince anyone that your school is relevant? Seems a tad frantic and emotional.
    The past 25 years have been very mediocre to say the least. The 80's were a long time ago and a lot has changed since then, just not cougarnation

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 4, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    @whatsinaname? - Saratoga Srpings, UT
    May 3, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    " yet the first 2 comments here were by our fav Ute trolls."

    I'm glad I'm your fav. Now go back and read my comment. It was on point and honest and said nothing about anyone other than Utah. By the way, Utah is my second favorite college football team in Utah. I like the team and the school, its just some of its fans I challenge when they fabricate and pontificate. And yes, my favorite school in the state has their fair share also.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 4, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    @2BCSWINS - West of I15, UT
    May 3, 2017 7:13 a.m.

    "The mighty cougies are hundreds of steps behind UCLA and Utah so not sure what your point is?"

    Since when did "hundreds of steps" equal a yard?

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 4, 2017 8:25 a.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 3, 2017 12:10 a.m.

    "It depends on the offense, we'll have to wait until after week 3. Lucky for us the first three games are scrimmages.

    Hardest to easiest games:

    @ USC
    @Washington
    Stanford
    @Oregon
    Washigton State
    @Arizona
    Colorado
    UCLA
    ASU
    San Jose
    @BYU (Utah is 6-3 LES)"

    ------------------

    See, when you do this you call in to question the legitimacy and accuracy of any of your statements and/or opinions. It shows that insulting your opponent is more important than accuracy. You also left off North Dakota State.

    In my opinion BYU will be Utah's 6th toughest opponent. You may not agree with it, but at least it is an honest attempt.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 4, 2017 8:17 a.m.

    @AZUTE1 - Mesa, AZ
    May 2, 2017 2:30 p.m.

    "We did schedule 3 patsies OOC this year in preparation for our straight brutal conference schedule."

    Are you not capable of having a legitimate discussion about sports without throwing straight shade. Please provide some substance. If you truly believe BYU is a patsy, then tell us why you think that. And don't forget to explain why Utah has such a tough time with this Patsy every year.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 4, 2017 7:58 a.m.

    everything is awesome - Cedar City, UT
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    When was the last time BYU actually BEAT Utah on the field Mr. Helper? You seem to have missed that one. I also notice no mention of BCS bowls? Now that's curious.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 4, 2017 7:45 a.m.

    headbanger

    BYU has had many accomplishments since 1991.

    - a 14-1, Top 5 season
    - a Doak Walker award winner
    - four straight AP Top 25 seasons
    - 12 straight bowl games
    - more 11+ win seasons than Utah has had in their entire history
    - as many conference championships as Utah has had since 1965

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 3, 2017 11:58 p.m.

    talkinsports - Gilbert, AZ

    "BYU accomplished more from 1979 to 1991 (13 seasons), than Utah's accomplished in its entire 123 season history."

    So you're admitting byu hasn't done anything since 1991? Wow! I didn't think it was that bad. Thanks for correcting me.

    But after all that, byu fans are really upset at the fact that all they have is ancient history accolades, and Utah continues to widen the gap. So the cougs have to keep resorting to data decades old to feel relevant today. The angst will continue. (see 50% posters are y fans) on this thread

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    May 3, 2017 11:11 p.m.

    2BCSWINS opened a door when he said "Have an Idea for you when the cougies actually beat Utah on the field where it matters or better yet beat a team that finishes the season ranked come talk to us."

    Here's my idea since you like that slippery slope: 'When utah actually wins the PAC 12, wins a National Championship and wins a Heisman Trophy, or goes to the Rose Bowl and wins it on New Years instead of during a regular season game when the play UCLA, come talk to us.' (Oops, I left out a consistent string of going to ANY bowl games, too......i.e. u's first 2 years in the Conference of Champions where you watched from the comfort of your living room sofa.)

    The 2 BCS wins didn't impress anyone after another year passed, except maybe Dr. Hill. Let's see, just who did they beat? I have a hard time remembering......oh, right, one was Alabama and most "Y" fans cheered for utah (which of course was never returned by ute fans) and who was the other team...was it UTEP or Arkansas State....I forget.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    May 3, 2017 10:31 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "We're ranked 100% of the time in the only poll that matters these days, ..."

    Yes, that poll matters soooo much that U were stuck playing #69 Indiana(6-7) in a meaningless bowl.

    Your awesome 2-point win was so "impressive", that Sagarin ranked U behind BYU in his final rankings.

    And your slim 1-point win over irrelevant, Independent BYU, was, by far, your 2nd best win of the season.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    May 3, 2017 10:19 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    As opposed to the usual insecure suspects who continue to live in denial that a distant #2 finish in one poll is somehow superior to a consensus National Championship?

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    May 3, 2017 10:12 p.m.

    whatsinaname?

    Love how Utah fans hypocritically brag about their 1944 NCAA title, then claim that BYU's 1984 National Championship is irrelevant.

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    112 Pack

    "How about the last 3, 5 or 10 years? "

    BYU 2006-2009
    Four straight AP Top 25 Finishes
    Three AP Top 16 Finishes
    Three 11+ win seasons
    Back-to-back conference championships
    3 of 4 head-to-head

    Utah 2013-2016
    Three straight AP Top 25 Finishes
    Zero AP Top 16 Finishes
    Zero 11+ win seasons
    Zero conference championships
    3 of 3 head-to-head

    The Utes have never had back-to-back 11+ win seasons or back-to-back Top 15 seasons.

    BYU hasn't had a losing season since 2004
    Utah had back-to-back losing seasons in 2012-2013.

    BYU has played in 12 straight bowls.
    Utah has never played in more than 9 straight bowls.

  • whatsinaname? Saratoga Srpings, UT
    May 3, 2017 8:55 p.m.

    love how all the cougs have hi jacked this thread to prove to any an all that their team is still relevant. lol. Lets all hop in the way back machine to 1972, smdh.
    I went back 25 years, a nice easy # that many posters can relate to and even remember.
    Simply head to head, I guess that doesn't fit the cougar narrative of relevance. 1984!
    And lets just stop with the persecution complex, people don't like byU because of this thread.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 3, 2017 8:35 p.m.

    headbanger

    "You paste the exact same thing over and over again."

    And U never have a rebuttal other than clueless conference membership drivel that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of BYU's athletic programs, especially football.

    If the Utes were really as accomplished as U claim, why did it take U over 100 seasons to crack the final AP rankings for the very first time?

    By 1994, when Utah finally cracked the final AP poll for the very first time, BYU had already won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, and finished in the AP Top 25 ELEVEN times.

    BYU accomplished more from 1979 to 1991 (13 seasons), than Utah's accomplished in its entire 123 season history.

    And that's not hyperbole, it's an absolute verifiable FACT!

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    May 3, 2017 8:28 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    ----------
    How about the last 3, 5 or 10 years? Oh yeah that's right, gotta set the time machine to a setting that suits your agenda. How sad, but very accurate.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 3, 2017 6:42 p.m.

    We're ranked 100% of the time in the only poll that matters these days, The CFP Poll, a poll in which byu's ranked 0% of the time, period.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 3, 2017 6:26 p.m.

    whatsinaname?

    Since 1972
    BYU 28 (with 22 conference championships, 17 AP Top 25 finishes)
    Utah 16 (with 5 conference championships, 8 AP Top 25 finishes)

    Unfortunately for U, during Utah's leather helmet era dominance, the Utes didn't have a single 10+ win season or AP Top 25 finish.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 3, 2017 6:18 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    You paste the exact same thing over and over again. Maybe you should send that info to the PAC 12, Big 10 or even the SEC (Probably not the Big 12) That info is a shoe-in for a conference invite. Or maybe everyone outside the Provo bubble isn't too impressed. I guess when your team hasn't done anything in 21 years, that's what you have to resort to.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    May 3, 2017 6:15 p.m.

    If Utah is so "great" versus PAC 12 teams, why is Utah the ONLY PAC 12 South team that hasn't won a division title?

    Even during the season in which the Utes "tied" for the division title, the Utes finished with a LOSING record versus PAC 12 South opponents.

    Despite their chest beating, the mid-PAC Utes still haven't achieved anything of significance in the conference.

    btw, unlike Utah, BYU isn't afraid to play teams from any P5 conference.

    Call us the first time Utah plays teams from the PAC 12, SEC, B1G and Big 12 in the same season.

    Call us the first time Utah plays 2 SEC teams in the same season.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 3, 2017 5:28 p.m.

    TDUte

    Jealous Utah fans can spin all they want to about Utah's supposed superiority, but unfortunately for U, the Utes have absolutely no legacy to back up their false bravado.

    National Championships
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    National Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6 > Utah 0

    All-time AP Top 100
    #34 BYU > #63 Utah

    AP Poll History - Weeks ranked
    ...at #1 BYU 4 > Utah 0
    ...in Top 5 BYU 17 > Utah 9
    ...in Top 10 BYU 58 > Utah 28
    ...in Top 25 BYU 242 > Utah 112

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11 > Utah 2

    Conference champions ranked in the AP Top 25
    BYU 14 > Utah 3

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17 > Utah 8

    Despite the cherry picking of stats on the hill,

    when it comes to comparing overall national accomplishments,

    the Utes don't even begin to compare to BYU.

    It's hilarious how Utah fans try to inflate Utah's rankings by cherry picking teams on their schedule.

    #1 > #2 regardless of who U played.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2017 5:08 p.m.

    headbanger

    "Wow! With all that, please tell us why no conference wants you?"

    It's very simple - religious bigotry and discrimination.

    There's absolutely NO QUESTION that BYU's overall athletic program and football legacy dwarfs Utah's.

  • whatsinaname? Saratoga Srpings, UT
    May 3, 2017 4:31 p.m.

    @ Sports authority, why such emotional rantings? Win a game on the field and then come on these message boards and gloat, but not until.
    6 in a row and of the last 25 games utah is up 16-9 and 11/14 with half of those wins coming at cougar stadium. That's not even a trend anymore, that's just a growing gap.
    Who cares how u do against Arizona? Head to head is what matters here.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2017 4:16 p.m.

    BYU fans can throw up any history they want but ultimately the facts are that they have a losing record against 9 out the 12 teams in the PAC-12. They are ahead of Cal (3-1), Washington State (3-1) and they are tied with Oregon (3-3). BYU has never beaten USC or Stanford....and their record against the Utes is 31-54. And....keep in mind that if BYU fans can use a period of time that puts their team in a better light, then we can also play that game of citing overall history. Even if you bring it up-to-date and cite the history since BYU went independent, they still lose against the PAC-12 (4-9)....and the past 6 in a row against arch rival Utah. (Ouch....that last one hurt, right, Cougs?)

    Utah: Nationally ranked in both CFP and AP, member of a P5 conference. 35 players drafted into the NFL since 2005, or the Coach Whit era.
    BYU: Unranked in both CFP and AP, independent. 13 players drafted into the NFL since 2005.

    So seriously, who has the best program in the State of Utah? UTES

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 3, 2017 1:13 p.m.

    Sports A:
    "btw, remind us the last time Utah had four straight Top 25 finishes, including three out of four Top 16 finishes."

    Btw, remind us the last time byu actually finished the season ranked. Or better yet, beat a team that actually finished ranked, a P5 team that is.

    "headbanger

    "Remember, BYU is 4-9 vs the PAC 12 since 2011."

    Remember, vs the PAC 12 since 2005, when Kyle became Utah's head coach.

    BYU 11-13 (45%)
    Utah 29-32 (48%)

    btw,

    all time versus Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas

    BYU 7-1
    Utah 0-6

    all time versus SEC
    BYU 4-5
    Utah 1-6

    all time versus Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
    BYU 15-15
    Utah 26-48"

    Wow! With all that, please tell us why no conference wants you? Please do tell...

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    "BYU is always better than half the PAC 12,"

    2016
    #4 Washington
    #10 USC
    #18 Stanford
    #26 Colorado

    #36 BYU

    #37 Utah
    #58 Cal
    #70 UCLA
    #75 OSU
    #77 Oregon
    #90 ASU
    #102 Arizona

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    headbanger

    "Remember, BYU is 4-9 vs the PAC 12 since 2011."

    Remember, vs the PAC 12 since 2005, when Kyle became Utah's head coach.

    BYU 11-13 (45%)
    Utah 29-32 (48%)

    btw,

    all time versus Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas

    BYU 7-1
    Utah 0-6

    all time versus SEC
    BYU 4-5
    Utah 1-6

    all time versus Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
    BYU 15-15
    Utah 26-48

    Keep clinging to that 1 point win at home last year, after BYU spotted U a touchdown on their first play from scrimmage.

    btw, remind us the last time Utah had four straight Top 25 finishes, including three out of four Top 16 finishes.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 3, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    Sports fan:

    Remember, byu is 4-9 vs the PAC 12 since 2011. Keep clinging to that 1 point loss last year since we spotted you six turnovers. The future is very bright and exciting for Utah in the PAC 12. Independence brings too much uncertainty and instability. Good luck with that though.

    2,713 days since byu last beat the "mediocre" Utes. =owned!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 3, 2017 9:45 a.m.

    BYU is always better than half the PAC 12, yet they are 3-8 over the last 5 years vs. PAC 12 teams. Things that make you go Hmmmm.

    Good Grief!

  • whatsinaname? Saratoga Srpings, UT
    May 3, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    I'll take that prediction in a rebuilding year, like the author said after losing 8 to the NFL draft it will be uphill on the hill.
    Why all the byU chatter? I just read the article/comments about Austin Kafensis enrolling at the y, (good for him) funny thing was there wasn't a single Ute comment, yet the first 2 comments here were by our fav Ute trolls. rent free boys, Smdh

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2017 8:57 a.m.

    CG, if we are a "middle of the PAC team" then that just tells me that BYU would fare even worse if given a similar circumstance. Remind of us your record against PAC-12 teams since you've gone independent......I'll help you out.....4-9.....wow......let's hear your excuses for why your team didn't win each one. And you call us "middle of the PAC" knowing full well your arch rival has beaten you every game we've played you since you went Indy? Don't look now, but your insecurity and jealousy is shining through....

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    May 3, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    Uteology

    The ONLY thing that separated BYU from finishing 2016 ranked, and Utah not, was BYU's failed 2-point conversion.

    BYU is ALWAYS better than at least half of your PAC 12 opponents.

    Despite your arrogant claims to the contrary, that's a provable FACT.

  • CG Provo, UT
    May 3, 2017 7:29 a.m.

    Azute1

    Unfortunately for U, you're incapable of winning the PAC South because you always lose to at least one mediocre conference bottom dweller - see Cal last season.

    In that respect, you're no different than you were in the WAC and MWC.

    Despite the bloviating from the hill, you've only won FIVE conference championships in the last 50+ years (since 1965).

    The truth is, you're a middle of the PAC team.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    May 3, 2017 7:13 a.m.

    @Not smart for you............."You're just ahead by one step of UCLA, but that could easily be one step behind them, too."

    The mighty cougies are hundreds of steps behind UCLA and Utah so not sure what your point is? Have an Idea for you when the cougies actually beat Utah on the field where it matters or better yet beat a team that finishes the season ranked come talk to us.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 3, 2017 12:13 a.m.

    Bluto - Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2017 7:50 a.m.
    Mid Majors within their own Conference.

    ------

    2016 9-4 Utah #23

    Remind us the last time a 9-4 mid-major was ranked in the final poll?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 3, 2017 12:10 a.m.

    It depends on the offense, we'll have to wait until after week 3. Lucky for us the first three games are scrimmages.

    Hardest to easiest games:

    @ USC
    @Washington
    Stanford
    @Oregon
    Washigton State
    @Arizona
    Colorado
    UCLA
    ASU
    San Jose
    @BYU (Utah is 6-3 LES)
    North Dakota

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    May 2, 2017 10:12 p.m.

    The Utes will finishing the middle again and still brag about how great they are. Did Ute fans ever think that the Utes were invited to the pack 12 just to round out the conference. So far the Utes have been a disappointment in their overall athletic performance. It's just the truth. Still they do dominate the Cougs in Football and gymnastics. The rest of the sports are all Cougars. And I think that the Football rivalry is getting closer. Then what will the Utes have? Gymnastics? Aw yes, Gymnastics the only college sport where a group of 12-14 year old elite gymnasts would crush any university team in the country. College Womens gymnastics is a title9 seat filler. Don't get me wrong I like to watch the Red Rocks preform but none of them would make the list of the top 50 gymnasts in the country.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    May 2, 2017 6:14 p.m.

    6th out of 12 and 3rd out of 6 in their division = mediocre, yet again; not bottom feeders, not champions....just mediocre. "Established Teams" have all won their division at least once. Colorado joined the same time, they won it last year, and they are ahead of you on the list again this year. You're just ahead by one step of UCLA, but that could easily be one step behind them, too. Always the Utes are supposedly fantastic because they play in the PAC12, schedule at home the first two games and win those, but remember that the first year (when the path was greased for them) they lost to Colorado at home and every year since they give up in November. Maybe instead of deriding who anyone else plays in November, their fans ought to find a way to get U to win in November. Now that would be a change, for sure.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2017 5:49 p.m.

    Lol at all the bluster, anger and trolling.

    It will be yet another fun and great year of football on the hill.

    Looking forward to it.

    Go Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 2, 2017 3:01 p.m.

    65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    May 2, 2017 2:45 p.m.

    I have the Utes going undefeated and winning the national championship.
    ------
    Shocker!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 2, 2017 2:45 p.m.

    I have the Utes going undefeated and winning the national championship.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 2, 2017 2:30 p.m.

    We did schedule 3 patsies OOC this year in preparation for our straight brutal conference schedule.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 2, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    May 2, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    "Jello,

    I didn't call anyone a name. Yes; I think 3 - 6 is fairly accurate. A lot of talent left Utah this year; rebuild or reload, hopefully the latter of the two. Peace Guy!"

    Please! "BYU - Mid Majors that no conference wants."

    No need to debate. That's name calling.

    Back to the article: Another factor in the Utes record will be their significantly harder schedule. Home games with BYU, USC, Washington and Oregon are now road games and you add Stanford and WSU to the schedule. Utah could have a better team than last year and still finish 6-6 or even 5-7.

    I have argued that BYU because the majority of their difficult games are away from home and at the beginning of the season has a difficult schedule, but it is very polarized. Utah as a Pac member always has a constantly hard schedule other than the 2 patsies they always schedule. I think this year will be their hardest schedule even without any real OOC opponent other than BYU.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 2, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    Jello,

    I didn't call anyone a name. Yes; I think 3 - 6 is fairly accurate. A lot of talent left Utah this year; rebuild or reload, hopefully the latter of the two. Peace Guy!

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 2, 2017 1:05 p.m.

    Why all the BYU comparisons? This article is about where Utah will finish in the PAC 12. BYU's season, team, or even the outcome of the BYU-Utah game will have no impact on this. How do you Ute fans think they will finish? I thought 3rd and 6th seemed about right. You?

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    May 2, 2017 12:17 p.m.

    Bluto "Mid Majors within their own Conference."

    Early season projections and the end of season results are too different things, as a BYU-P fan you should be well aware of. Nothing new here. The "experts" traditionally pick Utah lower than how they eventually end up. This year, having had so many players leave for the NFL (something unfamiliar to a BYU-P fan) it may be justified.

    What you never have, nor ever will see, is yearly unwarranted pre-season national champ talk only to fall flat when actual play starts. Now that - is mid-majory.

  • top of the world ,
    May 2, 2017 11:45 a.m.

    Time to set something else in concrete. Utah will do better than this article suggests/predicts. To my way of thinking, the PAC is the best overall-conference in the country, one I would love to see my team become a part of. As far as the loss of players to the draft/graduation, the Utes will be just fine. I hope they finish in the top four. I will be surprised if USC doesn't play in and win the league championship game. One thing for certain (certain in my mind, anyway), after having one year under their belt with the new offense, Utah will become a true power. With the work the players are doing this off-season, it may happen even sooner.

    I certainly get weary of mind when a Ute article draws the Y trolls out with their nonsensical statements; or when a BYU article is written, drawing the Ute trolls out with the same level of absurdity.

    Ever a Y fan, and always a Coach Whit admirer, I proclaim the above to be accurate and true. Go BYU, Utes and Aggies. And go 'Hawks, as in Seattle Seahawks!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 2, 2017 11:38 a.m.

    Although we'll be less experienced, we'll be significantly more talented overall on D....STs will equally be rock-solid.

    Winning our division/conference hinges upon Coach TT & how quickly he can/will get our O up to speed.

    byu fans are just simply jealous of our P5 status & the fact we actually beat good P5 schools & ones which finish the year ranked.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 2, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    May 2, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    "BYU

    Mid Majors that no conference wants."

    C'mon, Spokie. You're better than that. Stick with the people talking sports and not the 3rd grade name calling.

    I said 3rd and 6th is about right. Better if their young defense mature more quickly. Worse if they don't.

    What about your thoughts?

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 2, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    @ekute - Layton, UT
    May 2, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    "To us, it doesn't even matter if we play BYU."

    Yet here you are every article comparing yourself to the team you don't care about.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 2, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    BYU

    Mid Majors that no conference wants.

  • chicagoborn Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2017 10:28 a.m.

    @Bluto
    You're obsession with all things Utah is alive and well. If your pathetic cougars can't even beat the "mid major of the Pac 12" than who can you beat?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 2, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    p e,
    lol. To us, it doesn't even matter if we play byu.

  • p e RICHFIELD, UT
    May 2, 2017 9:15 a.m.

    ekutey

    Yes, 'The Utes have been established in the Pac since their first year of membership...and remain so today....'

    At 3rd in the PAC12 south, and 6th overall. They don't need local media to 'troll them'; they take care of that themselves every October - November.

    Our hopes and confidence are more modest. That we will beat U this year.
    Go Cougars!!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 2, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    Yes. We're going to read all summer about how according to the local media, the Packers have reconstructed their roster and scheme to accommodate williams. The fact is that the referenced article is about how Green Bay drafted a trio of running backs.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 2, 2017 8:06 a.m.

    The Utes have been established in the Pac since their first year of membership...and remain so today. They're not dominated by any one team or by the conference itself. For good reason we go into each season with confidence and high hopes. The local media loves to troll the Utes throughout the summer and well into the season. Go Utes!

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 2, 2017 7:59 a.m.

    3rd in the south and 6th overall is about right. If all the new players gel quickly, especially on D, they may stay in the top 25. If not, they better hope Taylor can invigorate the offense.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2017 7:50 a.m.

    Mid Majors within their own Conference.