To "RJohnson " so then you agree that the government will stop people
from helping.As you show, the problem with feeding and caring for
the homeless was not due to the people giving assistance. The problems arose
because of the NIMBY attitude of their neighbors.To
"Impartial7" again, why drive your manufacturing off shore? Many
companies learn that by driving manufacturing off shore that it costs more to
ship and get the product up to standards. Talk to Icon fitness in Logan. They
started out with "cheap" offshore labor, then found out that the cheap
labor resulted in poorly built products that cost the company more than just
building them here.
"Let’s show the next generation of Utahns how it’s done by
putting our shoulder to the wheel more often, rather than defaulting to
enlisting the government’s assistance."Oh! . . . So . .
. You want to create an organization that allows people to come together and
work toward a common cause?You know what that's called?. . . Government.
@RedShirt “See "Dundalk church faces fine for hosting
homeless" in the Baltimore Times.”The tradition (allowing
homeless to set up tents on the lawn of the church) has drawn such vehement
protests from a neighboring business
Couple Fined, Threatened with Jail for Feeding Homeless" at NBC
News”Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said the
Jimenezes had been warned one week earlier to stop their weekly feeding sessions
after local residents complained...So, in both your examples, local
government was responding to complaints from residents and business owners--not
acting unilaterally. In the Daytona Beach case the couple would be welcomed to
continue to feed the homeless but are asked to coordinate their efforts through
local social service agencies. In other words, feed the homeless at shelters and
sites set up for that purpose and not in residential parks.
The government programs exist because people/communities were not taking care of
those kinds of things voluntarily.
Just another 'government is the enemy' piece. Government is us.
It is not the enemy. It's resources are ours, If we want, we can change
government, or work with it or for it to change what it does. It
doesn't help to just sit back and throw insults and criticism at it. If you
don't like it, fix it.
@redshirtMIT:" What sense would it make to pay off a politician to
enact laws that drive your company out of the US."Really? They
buy off politicians to allow them to go offshore (cheap labor) without incurring
tariffs or penalties. The company's labor force is overseas, but HQ &
execs remain in the US.
To "Impartial7" that doesn't make sense. If the GOP was bought of
like you say, wouldn't they be making things here better for their
businesses? What sense would it make to pay off a politician to enact laws that
drive your company out of the US.The problem is with ALL politicians
that seek to control the free market and create a "managed economy".
All they manage to do is drive away business.To "One of a
Few" I thought you were talking about the modern welfare state and the use
if Immanent Domain by the government.You are partially right. We
need to avoid repeating Europe's mistakes. The mistakes of Europe and all
3rd world dictatorships is that they allowed power to be concentrated into their
national government and went down the road of socialism to varying degrees. If
we go the route of capitalism, it would require smaller government and result in
a better life
@Impartial7 "Because our politicians, especially GOP politicians, are paid
off by big business to not act. Republicans are paid to sell out the American
worker to their big business campaign donors. It's that simple."More than that, international capital is now in charge. Governments can
do nothing to counter it.
Funny, I thought the founding fathers established that we should we should earn
our bread by the sweat of the another person's brow - I thought it was
called slavery and taking native lands without compensation. I must have just
dreamed that. For those that dream of a return to the good old days,
there's a reason modern welfare reforms happened and it wasn't to buy
the votes of the less fortunate. I don't believe, based on the history of
European revolutions and the totalitarianism of third world countries, that the
Union will long survive if we allow ourselves to return to a form of distopian
capitalism and social welfare.
@Redshirt:"Why not ask why doesn't the US government do something
to make the workforce here more attractive to businesses? "Why?
Because our politicians, especially GOP politicians, are paid off by big
business to not act. Republicans are paid to sell out the American worker to
their big business campaign donors. It's that simple.
To "unrepentant progressive" the ironic thing is that in many instances
the government has regulated thing to the point where churches and local
communities cannot actually help.See "Dundalk church faces fine
for hosting homeless" in the Baltimore Times.See "Florida
Couple Fined, Threatened with Jail for Feeding Homeless" at NBC NewsTo "Marxist" did you ever ask why corporations leave the US?
Why not ask why doesn't the US government do something to make the
workforce here more attractive to businesses? Why is it that the Government
incentivizes leaving the US?
Boyack's analysis treats us as if we are a large array of equals, ready to
cooperate equally if given a chance. But that's not the case in our
system. Economic power is concentrated internationally as never before.
Working class people are mere pawns in a giant capitalist game. We can
cooperate locally, but such efforts are often futile against the international
"Government intervention erodes community."When U.S.
corporations move overseas such frequently not only erodes communities, it
Aggie"That's a pretty myopic and lazy interpretation of
what'" pragmatic... "is saying here. I am genuinely sad for you
if you've never" understood the value of skepticism.It
might be nice if our local communities, businesses, religious institutions, etc.
could get together and solve some of those problems without the "horror"
of the federal government involvement. But that is not the way it works in the
real world. After the Great Depression, did such linkages develop
to prevent the "horrors" of another Great Depression? Or, most recently
after the financial collapse caused by the Bush Administration? After preaching
this song for so long, has any community set about to do so for their neighbors
foregoing government aid? To be sure many secular and non-secular organization
pop up to serve their neighbors. However, almost all of these groups don't
get the funding necessary to serve the humongous need for everyone.I
don't think that many people go on welfare of any sort and choose to stay
on it. Most do so out of necessity. It is shameful in my opinion to blame the
poor for their conditions.
@pragmatistThat's a pretty myopic and lazy interpretation of
what Boyack is saying here. I am genuinely sad for you if
you've never had any experiences being helped out by a neighbor, friend, or
family member who chose to take action themselves rather than wait for the
government to take care of you, or if you've never done so for anyone else.
I myself have been blessed to have many such experiences which have enabled me
to take care of myself thus far with little or no government assistance.
So Mr. Boyack I should get together with my neighbors and build and fund a
homeless shelter in our neighborhood. Then we should probably form a non profit
where we all contribute to make sure that everyone in the neighborhood can
afford health insurance. Oh and we definitely should have an organization that
collects money for food and shelter for those that aren't associated with
our church or civic group.I'll bet all this work will go just
swimmingly. I can't see any conflicts that would arise between neighbors
as everyone merrily opens their wallets and gives freely. Where do
people come up with these fantasy libertarian ideas? There's absolutely no
experience in your life that would make you think humans would do this.
This letter is absolutely correct. The welfare mentality is destroying America.
Sadly, far to many believe that they are entitled to have the
government provide them with their every want and need. This is encouraged by
the left-wing environmental extremists for their own political advancement.From the beginning, it was declared that man must earn his bread by the
sweat of his own bread. That is the principle the Founding Fathers established
this Country on. We must return to it.