Well, this is just ridiculous.
More ridiculousness from a GOP run state.Where are all the Trump
supporters who want to see 2 regulations removed for every new one created.What if we had that type of leadership here in Utah?The
hypocrisy astounds us all.
Is Comic Sans an allowable font for the signs?We already have the
required "thorough cooking of meat" and the "consumption of alcohol
may impair" advisory signs, plus the "in accordance with the Utah Clean
Air Act" sign. So what's one more? Just laminate them and put them
all in a Rolodex style flipper by the door. We can kill time waiting for a
table. One sign required elsewhere but conspicuously absent in Utah is the
health inspection score placard. Now that would be useful for consumers making
dining choices.Tell me again how Utah values free enterprise and
hates government regulation?
I grew up in SLC with all of the odd liquor laws ... saw my bro-in-law become
alcoholic due primarily to the quirky laws, saw him change as he moved to CA and
then to TN where a greater degree of sanity prevails ... he drinks very little
now and quite responsibly ...Living in CA, I don't see the
problems with restaurants serving drinks that are mixed in view of diners ... I
don't need nor do I SEE the need for signs that identify which
establishments are bars and which are restaurants .... I don't go to bars
but I don't have a problem going to places that serve good food and also
serve drinks ... nor is it a problem for me to eat at a place that primarily
serves drinks, but also has decent food ... In my years living in
SLC, one of the best made sandwiches in the valley was at a joint that was
primarily a beer bar ... easily the best hot dog I ever ate was in a place whose
primary business was selling beer ... I felt no compunction to drink beer in
either place but sadly, both are gone... That said, Utah laws ARE
quirky and by any definition, odd. And for better or worse, the citizenry there
is FAR more focused on alcohol than it ought to be and that IS part of the
Utah has the most absurd and childish liquor laws in the world. Thanks to our
I for one am so glad they finally addressed this issue. Way to many people are
being traumatized by not knowing the difference between a restaurant and bar.
This will alleviate so much hardship placed on families and strained
relationships caused by this issue. Very glad the legislature stepped up on this
So does this mean ".... Bar and Grill...." Can't mix. Maybe it's time we get new legislature....how can you have any pudding if
you don't kick your feet,....if you don't kick your feet, how can you
have any pudding...A bar is a bar, how sweet doth it smell?
More nanny state nonsense from the state that now can declare some intoxicated
on just one glass of wine!
Seriously? We are now worried about adult parents accidentally walking their
brood into a den of inequity that sells alcohol? How about one step further and
making restaurants, that also sell alcohol, state "This is a restaurant, not
a bar (But we serve the devil's brew).
"Nielsen said he didn't think the signs would make Utah look weird, a
word often used to describe the state's liquor laws."Does
anywhere else do this? No? Then it makes us look weird.
@ John Brown 1000 It seems like an unnecessary burden to local
businesses. By law, if the venue really is a bar, minors should be
turned away at the door by the individual responsible for checking IDs upon
entry. I don't think a sign out front is going to stop anyone from
attempting to gain access minor or otherwise...
John Brown 1000 ,The implementation of these laws doesn't
change anything for the people that abuse alcohol. People will still abuse it,
people will still drink and drive, they'll still abuse others, and it still
ruin lives. I respect the facts/opinion that you shared, it's your right.
However I still feel that those statistics won't change enough for this to
matter. I personally feel that this decision was influenced by law
makers personal religious beliefs. Again this is my personal opinion. If people
are offended by seeing others have a drink with dinner, then I'm sure there
are other options for dinner.
John Brown,Whenever someone has a religious or other reason that they, and
therefore everyone else, should not be able to enjoy a beer or two, they often
couch it up as a health and safety issue. For example, you note "Maybe
because all those deaths are more than double the number killed by opiods
(around 31,000 per year), which is more than all other drugs combined. Except, and I'm not sure where your stats come from, you often miss the
big one. Also a drug, by the way. With regards tobacco, the CDC reports
"Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in
the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand
smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every
day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers."Maybe
that's the low hanging fruit people should be concerned about most. But
they're not, because preventing preventable death isn't their motive,
is it? Meanwhile, I've got to get one of those signs for my garage.
Just so everyone knows... I am planning on opening a line of restaurants
titled.... "this is a Bar." I am thinking of opening some bars titled
"this is a restaurant." What a great name!
Loud Loiterer, I wasn't commenting on the signs. I was
commenting on the question suggesting "mormons have such an immature
relationship with alcohol." The fact is that anyone who treats
alcohol like grown-up Sprite is the one with the immature relationship. As for the signs, if you'd read the law, you'd see the purpose
of the sign is to indicate whether minors can enter. Any place that makes more
than 30% of its revenue from alcohol is a bar and cannot admit minors. This
isn't about Arby's or McDonalds. It's about distinguishing the
other places where alcohol is a major or the major item.
I'm sure in Laketown nobody drinks but many in SLC do responsibly. Again
immature relationship with alcohol.
@John Brown 1000I'm sorry you need a sign to tell you that your
local Applebees 'Is NOT a bar'. I really hope the sign
that designates it as being "a restaurant" slows down the 88,000 people
that are dying of excessive drinking. Get real.
Maybe because many recognize that excessive drinking kills 88,000 people per
year, shortening their lives an average of 30 years. Maybe because
all those deaths are more than double the number killed by opiods (around 31,000
per year), which is more than all other drugs combined. Maybe
because alcohol seems to be a large factor in domestic violence, ruined lives,
and violence in general. Maybe because many have decided that the
facts above just don't jibe with the portrayal of alcohol as a grown up
version of Sprite.
I'm LDS and live in SLC. Why do so many mormons have such an immature
relationship with alcohol?