CMTM posted:=Spirits is only used of human beings when qualifying
terms are added, otherwise=the term is restricted to supernatural
beings.What does this have to do with anything we were talking
about?=Paul’s(1 Cor 15:29) reference (THEY, not I) to the
practice here is neither a=recommendation nor a condemnation. He simply
uses it as evidence from the lives=of the Corinthians themselves to
bolster his larger argument, begun in 15:12,=that resurrection from the
dead is a present reality in Christ and a future=reality for them.Huh? The baptism for the dead scripture? Why in the world did you bring
up this scripture?
RE: KevinSim. Why consult all of them on behalf of the living? (1
Peter 3:19)” By which also he went and preached=( proclaimed/ kryss, (not
good news) unto the spirits=(*pneusian) in prison;
in the days of
Noah.Spirits is only used of human beings when qualifying terms are added,
otherwise the term is restricted to supernatural beings. E.g..,”@(Luke
the unclean spirits, and they come out*3 Occurrences.Paul’s(1 Cor 15:29) reference (THEY, not I) to the practice here is
neither a recommendation nor a condemnation. He simply uses it as evidence from
the lives of the Corinthians themselves to bolster his larger argument, begun in
15:12, that resurrection from the dead is a present reality in Christ and a
future reality for them. Whatever they may have proclaimed, the
Corinthians’ actions demonstrated that they had hope for a bodily
resurrection. Christian theologian Geoffrey W. Bromiley,
“Tertullian said, evidence of such a practice was only among heretical
groups like the Cerinthians and Marcionites,” and neither of these groups
existed when 1 Cor was written.
CMTM posted:=Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?Good question. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, Jude are all dead. Why
consult all of them on behalf of the living?The answer is simple.
God sees no great advantage in repeating Himself unnecessarily. If one has a
question and He has already given the answer to Matthew, Paul, or Nephi, then He
might very possibly just want us to read the answer already recorded, instead of
expecting Him to provide again the answer He already provided.
RE: ssev . "[T]he angel Moroni”? Moroni’s words speak from
the ‘dust’. Or a "familiar spirit" in Isa 29:4/2Nephi
26:16.) The Latin Vulgate translation of Isa 29:4,”and thy speech shall
whisper out of the ‘dust’. and thy voice shall be from the earth
like that of the *pythonis=(familiar spirit) ..” a certain damsel
possessed with a spirit of divination= (*pythonis/Grk,=4436) met us which
brought her masters much gain by soothsaying. ., Acts 16:16
In Greek mythology, Pythian a serpent dwelt in the region of Pytho .
(Isaiah 8:19NIV) When someone tells you to consult mediums , who whisper and
mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf
of the living?.SINCERLY Wrong, A different spirit, ( Is 29:4 JST)
“ And thou(she) shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground,
and thy(her) speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy(her) voice shall be,
as of one that hath a* familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy(her) speech
shall whisper out of the dust.
I enjoy Greg Trimble's blogs, sports and all, and encourage him to keep on
keepin' on. Thanks.
I read this guy's blog on Christ not accepting all behaviors.Man!, this guy nailed it! Absolutely nailed it! To listen to many Christians
today, you'd think that Christ did nothing but pat everyone on the head and
give them warm chocolate chip cookies. Newsflash: they KILLED Jesus because they
HATED Him. And why did they hate Him? Because He told them things they
didn't want to hear. It is not God's duty to bend to the will of His
children, it is OUR duty to bend to God's will. Think that Christ will
accept "all" behavior and therefore "all" people? Well, knock
yourself out and live your life as you think. But we have ALL been warned there
is a final judgment coming. Good luck to us all.
"[T]he angel Moroni didn't appear to me in my room, but the visions of
my responsibilities and foreordination were clear and as tangible as if that
angel were standing above me in the air."Good for Brother
Trimble for claiming to receive his "responsibilities and
foreordination," as if from an "angel ... in the air." He reminds
me of the promise made to those who were not "prophets, seers and
revelators," who were invited to prophesy to the nations of Earth, in
D&C 33:[Y]e are called to lift up your voices as with the sound
of a trump, to declare my gospel . ... Open your mouths and they shall be
filled, and you shall become even as Nephi of old . ... [S]pare not ... for lo,
I am with you. ..."It should come as no surprise to Latter-day
Saints that the least of the human race, rather than only the Church's
appointed "prophets, seers and revelators," can have the same power and
authority to prophesy in the name of the Lord, when they do so by the power of
the Holy Ghost.
Greg...I love your brand of authenticity...not sugar-coated...not from a
tradition biased base. Truly, we all should be friends even if we disagree on
whatever topics. Thank you for stating that in your own words. If you ever go
on the church speaking circuit...make Utah your first stop! ❤️
MoreMan is right.Many mormon pioneers shared their faith by writing.
I discovered Greg Trimble early on and appreciated him doing the
same.My only caution to him is to remember the susceptibility
of people like him to be swayed off course by the dark side motivated
politically correct nonsense.....Just because a PC position seems to
be becoming the new normal doesn't make it right.Sophistry has
weaved its tentacles into everything, and just don't want to see Greg fall
for that any more than he has.
I remember reading one of Greg's first blogs and I just loved his insight!
Not long after I started a facebook page dedicated to the restored Gospel and
feature Greg's blog posts every time they come out...yes even the sports
stuff. Needless to say, doing on-line missionary work can be very rewarding. On
my page we have almost 123,000 followers and reach close to 2 million people
every week. The rewards are wonderful when people ask for more info about the
church, or ask how they can be visited by missionaries. Keep up the good work
Greg...like Elder Bednar said, "I exhort you to sweep the earth with
messages filled with righteousness and truth—messages that are authentic,
edifying, and praiseworthy—and literally to sweep the earth as with a
I like his attitude. Arguing and bible bashing over religious doctrine is
nonproductive. People respond to love and acceptance not criticism or being
told they are wrong. The Book of Mormon says contention is of the devil.
Way to be, Helaman Trimble. The word is indeed mightiest. Your light helps
motivate me to uncover mine. God bless and magnify your efforts, brother.
The best part about the Mormon pioneers is that they too blogged in their
dairies. The truth is out there and it truly is stranger than fiction or
non-fiction or reality or whatever genre this is. When you realize that the
church has 15 million members, you also realize that is a lot of eyeballs in
your niche market.
What a great story of not only faith but of sacrifice and work. I feel I'm
not alone in being lazy where important things are concerned, I'm built up
by stories like this of others who work hard and share their beliefs.