This country provides 'big relief' for immigrants who have to start over

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  • geekusprimus Little Elm, TX
    April 26, 2017 9:43 a.m.

    The solution to this problem is actually pretty simple for things like medical, engineering, and education degrees: allow these individuals to take the relevant certification exams. If they pass, obviously their education meets the standards of American schools. If they fail, then they need to have some additional training to bring their skills up to snuff.

    For fields like science, the quality of their research is a good indication of the quality of their education.

    Computer scientists and programmers typically also have research or a portfolio of work that can be presented to demonstrate their ability to perform to the required tasks.

    Liberal arts degrees and business degrees have always been more about industry connections and a demonstrated capacity to work than the degree itself, so the vetting process for a foreign degree is a similar process.

    While we need to ensure that degrees earned in other countries are comparable to one obtained at an accredited American university, I think we're making the process a little more difficult than it really needs to be.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    April 24, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    It is said each immigrant costs the US $75,000. So if you really want to help refugees keep in mind that you can supply 10 of them at their homeland where many would prefer to stay for the cost of bringing one here. Besides if they are Muslim they naturally want to retain their religion and Sharia law.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    April 24, 2017 8:04 a.m.

    As long as these immigrants are documented and vetted, I support their coming here for a better life.

    But we need to do a much, much better job. The vast majority are not refugees in any way. They are coming illegally and putting enormous strain on our social infrastructure.

    "According to the United Nations refugee agency (UNHCR), a total of 181,436 migrants crossed the Mediterranean Sea into Italy during 2016, a record year in recent history.

    Of these, only 4,808 were recognized as refugees and awarded asylum in Italy, a mere 2.65 percent of the total number of those making the crossing."

    98% are not refugees. That's huge.

  • bass679 Novi, MI
    April 24, 2017 7:06 a.m.

    While an engineer from another country wont' count as a PE (Professional Engineer) certification in the US, most engineering jobs don't require that. I work daily with foreign engineers, mostly Mexican, and have found them just as capable and well trained as their US counterparts.

    We also have several H-1B visa holders, mostly from Mexico but also from India and Europe. Honestly I have never seen a correlation between the nation of origin and the quality of work/education.

  • Kaboutertje Earth, 00
    April 24, 2017 5:46 a.m.

    Say No to BO--
    Syria does need doctors, but it is a war zone. Would you put your family in harm's way?

    We have a shortage of healthcare professionals in the US. Why are we not investing the time to streamline a path for credentialing those foreign trained professionals? I know an Iranian dentist, who went to dental school in the US, but was obligated to complete her residency in Iran. She fled with her family back to the US 12+ years later and was told she would have to redo all of dental school. She had a successful orthodontic practice in Tehran and now sells real estate. What a waste, but her family needed an income.

    The "take care of our own" attitude is based on the false assumption that you can't help both groups. It also implies that our own families somehow are "native" to this country. Unless you are 100% First Nations, your family immigrated, too.

  • IceCreamGhost Sandy, UT
    April 21, 2017 12:21 a.m.

    Sure, different countries have different standards. But a person who has already studied for years shouldn't have to repeat everything all over again. Take the final exams and maybe a practicum period, sure. Start completely over? What a waste.

    I think this is a very important conversation. It's difficult to speak in generalities though because having a degree in law vs. teaching vs. medicine would all have very different implications.

  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2017 3:07 p.m.

    This is such an important discussion. Thank you Lois Collins, for bringing it up. I hope we can accomplish something similar to what Canada is doing for its newcomers. We are missing out!

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    April 20, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    Why is the Chamber not honoring former Murray resident Bulmaro Mejia-Maya? He is an immigrant of notoriety.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    April 20, 2017 11:38 a.m.

    Payday loans are heavenly and here for them and for all of us who are turned down by a bank.

  • JMHO Kanab, UT
    April 20, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    Teachers can't even move states without going through a new certification process that sometimes involves more classes, a test, etc. Why should a doctor from another country be held to a lower standard than that?

  • Thomas Thompson SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 20, 2017 10:22 a.m.

    Different countries, different standards.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 20, 2017 9:28 a.m.

    Sometimes the distinction is well-deserved. In Mexico he earned an engineering degree, but his skills would only qualify him to be a draftsman here. A lawyer from Peru might only have the credentials of a paralegal here.

    Then there is the underlying question: Doesn't Syria need that doctor more than we do?

    At a time when our own college grads are packing boxes and pouring coffee, this concern for immigrants seems out-of-place.