Police testimony: Teens conspired to 'get rid of' 14-year-old girl who was messaging boy

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  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    March 23, 2017 10:24 p.m.

    I don't have the information available or ability to truly determine whether or not they should be tried in adult or juvenile court. I leave that to the professionals who will decide this point. I do ask, how is it they had access to the firearm. However, they stated they wanted to use knifes so intent to kill was a premeditated issue. This is a sad case, the only bright spot is the victim should recover.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    March 23, 2017 8:32 p.m.

    Facepalm, You make some valid points, but continuing to point your finger at "the church" for whatever reason, takes some wind out of your argument and looks trivial. These boys will pay for what they did, regardless of religion and they should. Here's hoping Deserae continues to recover.

  • FacePalm Smithfield, UT
    March 23, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    The thing is, hearing everyone lose it over video games like this is very similar to people talking about heroin or opioid addiction. No one is asking why a 14 year old had a gun. Don't take that as me being anti-gun because I in no way am. I just think it's up to parents to make sure that no one has access to guns in the home regardless of age. If we are all suppose to be wary of video games shouldn't we be wary of guns? Or do we just blame things we don't "agree" with because it fits in some personal agenda we have. Normal young adults don't conspire to murder, clearly there is something not happening at home to have taught both of these boys that taking someone's life is not okay. Lack of parent involvement? Lack of consequences for their actions? Being allowed to feel that they can act how they want if they just pray after? (Not badmouthing "the church" but given the area it's a safe guess). I'm sorry but I'm going to place the the blame on the two individuals involved, and then their parents over playing video games.

    Also, you don't get to compare someone's marriage falling apart to two people attempting to murder someone by using the same "culprit". Apples to oranges.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    March 23, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    Facepalm...I agree that not EVERY person who plays video games will become a murderer, but there are other devastating consequences short of taking a life. Video games are a tremendous waste of time (and money) and contribute adversely to young adult brain development. This is proven in research. These games create a false sense of reality where there are really no consequences to one's actions because there is always a do-over, a next round. They isolate people from family and friends. Relationships suffer, grades go down, self-esteem plummets, jobs are lost.

    I saw it in young adults (18-30) I was around for the better part of a decade and in a young father who was so consumed in his video games and electronics that he began to ignore his beautiful wife and children and isolated himself into a world of self-absorption and pornography. It's a slow, insidious process that those, like these two young boys, get sucked into and they don't realize that it's a downward spiral until it's too late.

  • FacePalm Smithfield, UT
    March 23, 2017 11:01 a.m.

    You people blaming this on video games need to get a grip. Everyone that plays video games is not destined to become violent attempted murderers, but you know what does cause young adults to act like this? Never being held accountable for their actions, having parents that constantly "fix" everything for them, and more than likely in this area being told it's all okay if they just repent.

    They should be tried as adults. This was planned out, there were multiple weapons, and they flat out lied to the cops. As for the person above who "didn't mean to victim blame", you did. You actually think this girl was suppose to catch "hints" that this was going to happen.... come on. No one is to blame except for the ones wielding weapons and planning a murder. Let me guess, these boys were members of your ward?

    Take a step away from your bibles and stop trying to find some justification in this. There is none. It was a senseless crime and the ones who planned it should sit in jail the rest of their lives. Normal people don't go around planning murders.

  • Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan San Diego, CA
    March 22, 2017 5:38 p.m.

    This part of the article disturbed me the most:

    " The boy also didn't know his own cellphone number, and he didn't want officers looking at his phone because he "liked his privacy," the deputy said. The teen also told him he regularly deleted his text conversations."

    What boy doesn't know his own cell phone number?

    Also, I don't care how much you like your own privacy, if there isn't anything to hide, show the cops your phone.

    I can assure if this were my kid, I would know every single one of his passwords; and if he were doing anything inappropriate, that phone would get an up-close-and-personal meeting with my framing hammer. Having a phone is a privilege that is hard to earn, but very easy to lose. Especially for a kid.

  • JohnDoeX Rexburg, ID
    March 22, 2017 1:03 p.m.

    This has nothing to do with video games as many people have alluded to above. The article said nothing about violent video games, it could have been Mario for all we know. Yes media plays an important role in our lives but this has EVERYTHING to do with TEACHING and PARENTING. Not saying the parents were "bad" parents but even being complacent leaves room for evil to enter. Do not blame inanimate objects for this, like video games and television. This is the boys' fault and only they are to blame. People have been evil long before video games and television were invented. Teach your children correct principles and BE INVOLVED IN THEIR LIVES. Know where your children are and what they are doing!

  • teni Tooele, UT
    March 22, 2017 11:05 a.m.

    Loss of affection for a fellow human being - sad!

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    March 22, 2017 10:18 a.m.

    Apparently (and I have this on really good authority) the boys come from rock solid, stable homes with parents who are as horrified and shocked as the rest of us.

    This should be a wake up call to remove video games, etc. out of all of our homes. Extended use of electronics for pleasure should be curtailed. Quick reflexes can be developed through a myriad of appropriate pursuits.

    I've worked with church young adult groups for the past 10 years, encountering hundreds of young people. I would say that 95% of the young people (mostly guys) who were struggling were addicted to video games and porn. They couldn't even put down their phones for one hour for church. eThe rest of the kids with problems usually had bad home lives where parents were addicted to drugs, parents had multiple marriages and relationships, and parents abused them.

  • taatmk West Jordan, UT
    March 22, 2017 9:38 a.m.

    We should "get rid of" these youth by removing them from society for the remainder of their lives.

  • chhs2 Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 22, 2017 9:25 a.m.

    I disagree with most of the comments on t his story. While these individuals are sick and should be placed where they cannot hurt others, they are not representative of the majority of our youth. The worst of our youth (and of our adults) are more problematic and possibly evil than any time in the past, but good kids are still abundant and praiseworthy.

    While we can't blame the victim, we can ask why she placed herself in such a dangerous situation. Why couldn't she read these boys who were out to "get rid of her". How can we teach our youth to avoid those who would do them harm, either intentionally or unintentionally?

    As for trying them in adult court, that is problematic because an adult court is likely not to punish them and keep them from society as well as juvenile court. Adult court is unlikely to put the young offender with adults in our prison system. Keep them away from society as best we can. At least keep them away until they are 21, something adult court likely would not do.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2017 9:16 a.m.

    Considering their unemotional recounting of this crime, it is difficult to believe that the two teenagers have significant rehabilitation potential. Prisons sequester these types of violent criminals to protect society, hopefully for a very long time.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    Video Games are a gateway to porn and other addictive behavior.

    Do not buy them. We live in Utah!!!! Go outside. My word, why would you even want to sit around playing those lame games?

    Such a sad story.

  • Aging Psychologist Durango, CO
    March 22, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    Video games, TV Violence, Movies of reckless killing and sex; stealing our children's morals, ethics and any semblance of conscience. The sublety of the adversary these days attacks the most vulnerable and accessible-- the children, within a loose moral society. This week, it's Rockville, Maryland, and next week?? But, but, this is UTAH!
    an interested, but disgusted retired Psychologist in Durango

  • EMDM WK, 00
    March 22, 2017 8:36 a.m.

    It would be interesting to know what their home life is like. Sad.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 22, 2017 7:08 a.m.

    The two should be tried as adults. Period. I hope this young lady gets back to full health soon and lives a long and productive life.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    March 22, 2017 3:42 a.m.

    Lock them up and throw the key in the river

  • twinkleberry67 Layton, UT
    March 22, 2017 1:50 a.m.

    In 88 I earned a degree in Early Child Development and worked in a corporate child care setting. I was abjectly dumbfounded by the trends that were so entrenched at the time and thought it was total madness. I was told in no uncertain terms that I was unenlightened and puritanical for rejecting these trends. These trends involved eliminating authority and parental figures and replacing them with “best friend guides” and the removal of rules and behavioral boundaries to allow the child the freedom to achieve optimal development. Initially, I was shocked at the exponential increase in really bad behavioral problems. Over the years I have watched all of this mushroom into what was recently on display up in Cache valley. None of this surprises me. This nonsensical “best friends and no boundaries” crap didn’t do anyone any favors. What we have is a younger generation with an increased propensity for sociopathic behavior and at the very least nonexistent social, communication or goal setting skills. My heart goes out to Desirae and her family for healing and peace.

  • Basketballgirl75 Provo, , UT
    March 21, 2017 10:22 p.m.

    This absolutely horrifies me. Where are we as a society that these boys would act like this is nothing more them a regular event in a regular day? The fact that the one teen wanted to keep the gun shell casing as a momento, I'm disgusted. These boys should be tried as adults, and learn some real life lessons.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    March 21, 2017 10:21 p.m.

    Please don't blame the parents without knowing all the facts. No doubt they are suffering a lot of anguish over this tragedy. I don't for one minute they set out to raise their boys to sociopaths. I have no empathy for the accused. This is an adult crime and if found guilty they should serve a lengthy sentence. I would not object to life without parole.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    March 21, 2017 10:04 p.m.

    Sociopaths. It may never be safe to let them back into society.

  • marylouise Logan, UT
    March 21, 2017 8:44 p.m.

    What has happened to the youth of today? They have no manners, no skills, feel they are entitled to life itself with no consequences of their own actions. And what has happened to their parents? I expect humanity will kill each other off soon and the animals will have this planet back shortly. BTW---if they want to act grown up, treat them as grown ups. Try them as adults then send them to grown up prison for as long as possible.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2017 7:42 p.m.

    We have failed our children when they can do these kind of things without compassion or conscience. Boys have been trying to get rid of girls that bothered them and girls boys that bothered them for generations. What changed that now the answer is brutal murder?

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    March 21, 2017 7:16 p.m.

    Forgot to ask...who pays for all her bills while she fights for any future she may have?

  • goosehuntr Tooele, UT
    March 21, 2017 4:32 p.m.

    I have to admit. The coldness of the teens shocked me. Completely dumbfounded how the conception of the plan and the lack of feeling in carrying it out and then not fleeing, but stripping her of money. Yea, they should be tried as adults. I am uncertain what it would take to restore conscience and compassion to these young men. I am stunned.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 21, 2017 4:18 p.m.

    This is what prisons are for. Let's make good use of them.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 21, 2017 3:40 p.m.

    Senseless, tragic...........

    I can't imagine the grief of the victim and her family and the grief of the families of the accused.

    Where is common decency and respect for right and wrong in our society?

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    March 21, 2017 3:05 p.m.

    Parents, please tell your children not to go alone away from safe areas where other people are present and can help them.

    Also, please destroy your children's video games. These games provide a non-reality and they take teens' brains in a never land where nothing has a real consequence...until they try to murder or rape someone.