I don't have the information available or ability to truly determine
whether or not they should be tried in adult or juvenile court. I leave that to
the professionals who will decide this point. I do ask, how is it they had
access to the firearm. However, they stated they wanted to use knifes so intent
to kill was a premeditated issue. This is a sad case, the only bright spot is
the victim should recover.
Facepalm, You make some valid points, but continuing to point your finger at
"the church" for whatever reason, takes some wind out of your argument
and looks trivial. These boys will pay for what they did, regardless of
religion and they should. Here's hoping Deserae continues to recover.
The thing is, hearing everyone lose it over video games like this is very
similar to people talking about heroin or opioid addiction. No one is asking why
a 14 year old had a gun. Don't take that as me being anti-gun because I in
no way am. I just think it's up to parents to make sure that no one has
access to guns in the home regardless of age. If we are all suppose to be wary
of video games shouldn't we be wary of guns? Or do we just blame things we
don't "agree" with because it fits in some personal agenda we have.
Normal young adults don't conspire to murder, clearly there is something
not happening at home to have taught both of these boys that taking
someone's life is not okay. Lack of parent involvement? Lack of
consequences for their actions? Being allowed to feel that they can act how they
want if they just pray after? (Not badmouthing "the church" but given
the area it's a safe guess). I'm sorry but I'm going to place the
the blame on the two individuals involved, and then their parents over playing
video games. Also, you don't get to compare someone's
marriage falling apart to two people attempting to murder someone by using the
same "culprit". Apples to oranges.
Facepalm...I agree that not EVERY person who plays video games will become a
murderer, but there are other devastating consequences short of taking a life.
Video games are a tremendous waste of time (and money) and contribute adversely
to young adult brain development. This is proven in research. These games
create a false sense of reality where there are really no consequences to
one's actions because there is always a do-over, a next round. They
isolate people from family and friends. Relationships suffer, grades go down,
self-esteem plummets, jobs are lost. I saw it in young adults
(18-30) I was around for the better part of a decade and in a young father who
was so consumed in his video games and electronics that he began to ignore his
beautiful wife and children and isolated himself into a world of self-absorption
and pornography. It's a slow, insidious process that those, like these two
young boys, get sucked into and they don't realize that it's a
downward spiral until it's too late.
You people blaming this on video games need to get a grip. Everyone that plays
video games is not destined to become violent attempted murderers, but you know
what does cause young adults to act like this? Never being held accountable for
their actions, having parents that constantly "fix" everything for them,
and more than likely in this area being told it's all okay if they just
repent. They should be tried as adults. This was planned out, there
were multiple weapons, and they flat out lied to the cops. As for the person
above who "didn't mean to victim blame", you did. You actually
think this girl was suppose to catch "hints" that this was going to
happen.... come on. No one is to blame except for the ones wielding weapons and
planning a murder. Let me guess, these boys were members of your ward? Take a step away from your bibles and stop trying to find some justification
in this. There is none. It was a senseless crime and the ones who planned it
should sit in jail the rest of their lives. Normal people don't go around
This part of the article disturbed me the most:" The boy also
didn't know his own cellphone number, and he didn't want officers
looking at his phone because he "liked his privacy," the deputy said.
The teen also told him he regularly deleted his text conversations."What boy doesn't know his own cell phone number? Also,
I don't care how much you like your own privacy, if there isn't
anything to hide, show the cops your phone. I can assure if this
were my kid, I would know every single one of his passwords; and if he were
doing anything inappropriate, that phone would get an up-close-and-personal
meeting with my framing hammer. Having a phone is a privilege that is hard to
earn, but very easy to lose. Especially for a kid.
This has nothing to do with video games as many people have alluded to above.
The article said nothing about violent video games, it could have been Mario for
all we know. Yes media plays an important role in our lives but this has
EVERYTHING to do with TEACHING and PARENTING. Not saying the parents were
"bad" parents but even being complacent leaves room for evil to enter.
Do not blame inanimate objects for this, like video games and television. This
is the boys' fault and only they are to blame. People have been evil long
before video games and television were invented. Teach your children correct
principles and BE INVOLVED IN THEIR LIVES. Know where your children are and
what they are doing!
Loss of affection for a fellow human being - sad!
Apparently (and I have this on really good authority) the boys come from rock
solid, stable homes with parents who are as horrified and shocked as the rest of
us. This should be a wake up call to remove video games, etc. out
of all of our homes. Extended use of electronics for pleasure should be
curtailed. Quick reflexes can be developed through a myriad of appropriate
pursuits.I've worked with church young adult groups for the
past 10 years, encountering hundreds of young people. I would say that 95% of
the young people (mostly guys) who were struggling were addicted to video games
and porn. They couldn't even put down their phones for one hour for
church. eThe rest of the kids with problems usually had bad home lives where
parents were addicted to drugs, parents had multiple marriages and
relationships, and parents abused them.
We should "get rid of" these youth by removing them from society for the
remainder of their lives.
I disagree with most of the comments on t his story. While these individuals
are sick and should be placed where they cannot hurt others, they are not
representative of the majority of our youth. The worst of our youth (and of our
adults) are more problematic and possibly evil than any time in the past, but
good kids are still abundant and praiseworthy.While we can't
blame the victim, we can ask why she placed herself in such a dangerous
situation. Why couldn't she read these boys who were out to "get rid
of her". How can we teach our youth to avoid those who would do them harm,
either intentionally or unintentionally?As for trying them in adult
court, that is problematic because an adult court is likely not to punish them
and keep them from society as well as juvenile court. Adult court is unlikely
to put the young offender with adults in our prison system. Keep them away from
society as best we can. At least keep them away until they are 21, something
adult court likely would not do.
Considering their unemotional recounting of this crime, it is difficult to
believe that the two teenagers have significant rehabilitation potential.
Prisons sequester these types of violent criminals to protect society, hopefully
for a very long time.
Video Games are a gateway to porn and other addictive behavior.Do
not buy them. We live in Utah!!!! Go outside. My word, why would you even
want to sit around playing those lame games?Such a sad story.
Video games, TV Violence, Movies of reckless killing and sex; stealing our
children's morals, ethics and any semblance of conscience. The sublety of
the adversary these days attacks the most vulnerable and accessible-- the
children, within a loose moral society. This week, it's Rockville,
Maryland, and next week?? But, but, this is UTAH!an interested, but
disgusted retired Psychologist in Durango
It would be interesting to know what their home life is like. Sad.
The two should be tried as adults. Period. I hope this young lady gets back to
full health soon and lives a long and productive life.
Lock them up and throw the key in the river
In 88 I earned a degree in Early Child Development and worked in a corporate
child care setting. I was abjectly dumbfounded by the trends that were so
entrenched at the time and thought it was total madness. I was told in no
uncertain terms that I was unenlightened and puritanical for rejecting these
trends. These trends involved eliminating authority and parental figures and
replacing them with “best friend guides” and the removal of rules
and behavioral boundaries to allow the child the freedom to achieve optimal
development. Initially, I was shocked at the exponential increase in really bad
behavioral problems. Over the years I have watched all of this mushroom into
what was recently on display up in Cache valley. None of this surprises me. This
nonsensical “best friends and no boundaries” crap didn’t do
anyone any favors. What we have is a younger generation with an increased
propensity for sociopathic behavior and at the very least nonexistent social,
communication or goal setting skills. My heart goes out to Desirae and her
family for healing and peace.
This absolutely horrifies me. Where are we as a society that these boys would
act like this is nothing more them a regular event in a regular day? The fact
that the one teen wanted to keep the gun shell casing as a momento, I'm
disgusted. These boys should be tried as adults, and learn some real life
Please don't blame the parents without knowing all the facts. No doubt
they are suffering a lot of anguish over this tragedy. I don't for one
minute they set out to raise their boys to sociopaths. I have no empathy for
the accused. This is an adult crime and if found guilty they should serve a
lengthy sentence. I would not object to life without parole.
Sociopaths. It may never be safe to let them back into society.
What has happened to the youth of today? They have no manners, no skills, feel
they are entitled to life itself with no consequences of their own actions. And
what has happened to their parents? I expect humanity will kill each other off
soon and the animals will have this planet back shortly. BTW---if they want to
act grown up, treat them as grown ups. Try them as adults then send them to
grown up prison for as long as possible.
We have failed our children when they can do these kind of things without
compassion or conscience. Boys have been trying to get rid of girls that
bothered them and girls boys that bothered them for generations. What changed
that now the answer is brutal murder?
Forgot to ask...who pays for all her bills while she fights for any future she
I have to admit. The coldness of the teens shocked me. Completely dumbfounded
how the conception of the plan and the lack of feeling in carrying it out and
then not fleeing, but stripping her of money. Yea, they should be tried as
adults. I am uncertain what it would take to restore conscience and compassion
to these young men. I am stunned.
This is what prisons are for. Let's make good use of them.
Senseless, tragic...........I can't imagine the grief of the
victim and her family and the grief of the families of the accused.Where is common decency and respect for right and wrong in our society?
Parents, please tell your children not to go alone away from safe areas where
other people are present and can help them. Also, please destroy
your children's video games. These games provide a non-reality and they
take teens' brains in a never land where nothing has a real
consequence...until they try to murder or rape someone.