Good for the missionary. Did the Bishop retrieve the gun? After all, it was
tossed onto church property.
I am glad no one was hurt. I am also glad there was but one gun. I could not
help but recall a time while serving as a WML we ran into a situation with an
investigator that potentially could have turned very violent. The investigator
met us in a parking lot, and we then learned the investigator wanted financial
assistance. He pulled a razor blade and slashed his own wrist to let us know he
was desperate. We were blessed to get out of the situation unharmed. I am not
sure the elders would be any safer in a lot of cities in the U.S., so I am not
sure how safe a transfer would make the missionaries. Every situation needs to
be evaluated based on its unique circumstances. Given the result of this
incident, the missionary obviously did the right thing.
Good for the missionary!! Just because you are serving the Lord on a mission
does not mean you have to let people bully you and deprive you of your
belongings. I hope that nasty little thief ends up in jail some day. I am so
glad the missionary defended himself - as well as his partner.
I don't judge the other missionary unkindly at all. He probably had never
been in a fight before and responded as I would have responded when faced with
the same situation. Obviously, the larger elder had prior experience. I like
Say No to BO's comment: The Supreme Court put it well in 1921:
“Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted
That Elder can join my hockey team anytime & his companion would be a great
referee. I like both of them. Brazil ey. Evidence of those 2 thieves &
robbers should be found by there police and sentenced to many years in jail. Or
does this country think that well this happens all the time. No big deal. Our
country of Canada I would imagine should rethink of going somewhere else for a
vacation if these guys are not found and time spent to find them as a warning to
others who think they can rob anyone, anytime as they must be doing this daily
God's Army Yo!
Church leaders did exactly what I expected, respond with prudent forethought
while being guided by the spirit. I would never think to judge the missionary
fighting back nor his companion who did not fight back. I don't know all
the particulars of the event nor most importantly do I have a stewardship over
those Elders where it is my duty to make a judgement. There are multiple
examples in scripture of the Lords servants both fighting back in defense and
passively turning the other cheek. I was taught in the MTC, many
years ago, not to intervene in a domestic dispute. When one day out of the blue
I found myself involved in the middle of one I acted, probably in hindsight the
best that I could have, but I know that I was guided to do what I did by the
spirit. My companion remained standing in shock during the whole event, but in
hindsight, I do not believe that he could have done anything better. No one was
hurt, the situation was diffused, and peace was restored to that household with
minimal intervention. Fortunately that day I was in tune with the spirit to act
and follow the guidance given without thought.
The good guys won one, for a change! Despite the naysayers here, these guys had
seconds to make up their mind what to do. OTOH, people like @Frazier, have the
luxury of sitting in complete safety, behind their computers, and second
guessing what actually happened out there.
Fun to Watch? It wasn't a game for our entertainment. I can only imagine
the adrenaline and fear for this brave young man. I think LDS are taught to be
too passive, turn the other cheek, help out creepy people even when they want to
kill you. No! that is not what Christ taught. The video made me very emotional,
I know he was led and protected to act as he did.
Heh. After all, we DO believe in the laying on of hands......
This was the right decision by the church. No one should be second-guessing
this missionary's actions in protecting himself and others; everyone has a
right to self-defense.Similarly, no one should be second-guessing
the actions of his companion, who followed the mission rules and did exactly as
he was instructed in that situation. He's not a coward, or a wimp, or
anything other than a good, obedient missionary.If this elder had
been shot while reaching for the gun instead of successfully disarming his
attacker, then this page would be full of endless comments about how the mission
rules are there for the missionary's protection and if this elder had just
been obedient and given up his money he'd be alive today.Both
missionaries did the right thing in their minds, and both are alive today.
Enough with the Monday-Morning Quarterbacking.
These missionaries did the right thing. It's sometimes difficult to know
what to do, but everyone must stand up to crime, no matter the situation. If we
give in [which most do], then the bad guys will do it again. This was in
Brazil, but similar situations have happened to me and mom growing up and living
in downtown Los Angeles. Mom [about 71 then] was mugged and robbed [they broke
her right arm] while getting off the subway and walking to the bus waiting area
to go home. I have been robbed many times after leaving Berendo Jr. High and
walking to the bus waiting area [but I always fought back]. And mostly it was
just for a few cents [less than $2] or them trying to take my bus card. Just
for their safety, these missionaries need to be transferred to a different
This missionary did the right thing. Period.
That elder might want a new companion. His just stood on the sideline the whole
Maybe, transfer him out of the area for his safety. Otherwise, he did the best
he could under the circumstances. Glad both are safe.
To those judging him:In almost every bill of rights on the Earth,
the right to defend your life when threatened is protected. So why is it that
when we see someone defending themselves, we suddenly get shifty on our moral
high ground we seem to think we have? If you think you have the moral high
ground, you don't. God does. Let us remember to stand on His moral ground,
rather than the shifty terrain we construct for ourselves when we judge others.
All of us are guilty of judging another person at some point. But we can all
rise above that trend. He was in the right, whether you want to see it that way
or want to see it some other way.
That was AWESOME! I watched it 5 times and laughed harder each time. Love how he
tossed the gun over the fence and then...GAME ON!!! Can you imagine
the discussion between those two thugs when they hooked up later? They left
their gun, their scooter and their dignity and ran for their lives. I feel bad for the other missionary who stood there and watched though. He
should have tackled that first guy to run from behind and given him a beating
too! I'm really tired of the advice to rollover, play dead and
comply with these thugs. So nice to see them get a surprise every now and then.
Image how it would be if everyone always fought back and shot back.
Missionary had a right to defend himself and his companion should have helped
him. If they had had to shoot the muggers to defend themselves that would have
been terrible but understandable. There are a lot of violent criminals in our
country and in others. Some of those people in other countries think they are
rich Americans by the way missionaries are dressed. It makes them easy targets
with their backpacks and dressed like that. The Church should also consider not
sending them to dangerous neighborhoods where they are high risk for robbery or
May not be the long-term correct approach, but great job disarming the attacker.
This elder does, however, need to improve his throw-down skills--he had the
attacker outweighed by 75 pounds.
@John Charity Spring, I don't really think that too many people area
concerned about the condemnations [strong or otherwise] that you have
proclaimed regarding their choice of positions. The Deseret News is gracious
enough to give all sides a forum for respectfully stated opinions. We do have
freedom of speech, and it's OK to disagree with one another. Now look at the video. They were robbing the missionaries because they
assumed that they had at least some money or other valuables. In Manaus,
anybody with nice clothes has money. The bad guys could have cared less about
"religious freedom". I'm not sure why you even brought that up.
The church leaders did well not to criticize the missionary who fought back to
protect his life. Even if some of them might think that they would have acted
differently under the circumstances, they could not really know unless they
actually faced the situation. Myself, I greatly admire the young man who fought
back. And I am disappointed in his partner who just stood there doing
absolutely nothing to help his partner who was in the prolonged struggle with
the attacker.p.s. I am not Mormon
I'm thinking Captain Moroni, the Danites, and Porter Rockwell would be
No one has the right to judge this young man. He was defending himself and his
companion. Missionaries are not soft targets for abuse and they have the right
to defend themselves. Everyone thinks they will know how they would act in a
combative situation, right up to the point when that situation occurs.
I am glad he had the courage, skill and presence of mind to protect himself and
his companion. I wish his companion had been able to help him. Being a
servant of the good Lord does not mean one has to be a willing victim for every
evil, wicked bully on the block. This case should be examined on it's own
merits and not interpreted as an argument for the merits of passive victimhood.
Christians are too often encouraged to retreat from the public square and not
protect or defend their own lives, the lives of others or their right to even be
involved in the issues of the day. In reality, the adversary scores with
silencing Christian influence and action. The one sacrificial life that was
required was given over 2000 years ago. I believe our job is to live, share
and defend the truth unless personal revelation prompts us otherwise and only
the ones involved will know when that is the case.
Don't mess with the Lord's missionaries
Jesus was quite definite in Matthew, Chapter 5. That being said the missionary
felt it was the best thing to protect himself, he was human, Jesus was above
that. It would probably be best to transfer that missionary out of the mission
and maybe to another country or back to the US where there will be no
retribution. The mission president needs to look out for the welfare of thisyoung man.
Don't mess with Texas.
Anyone pointing a gun at someone's head deserves a beat down or worse, I
don't care if it was a missionary or not.
No negative judgement or arm chair second guessing here. I've never had a
gun pulled on me and don't know how I'd react. This Elder
was extreemly brave, and clear headed. To have the presence of mind to throw the
gun over a fence while in that stressful of a situation was extraordinary. He's a true hero.
Although I don't believe this is the best way to handle a situation like
this, I am not going to judge this missionary for responding in the manner that
he did. I'm amazed he had the wherewithal to throw the gun over the wall
and didn't start pulling the trigger when they came back at him. Glad they
are both safe.
Yes, we can all act as armchair bystanders. I think the statement by the church
is spot on. We do what we do in the heat of the moment. Sometimes
it is just a go. No time to evaluate all the ramifications of actions and
process what may or may not be prudent. Sometimes it ends tragically and
sometimes it ends like this. I just hope it is the end of any more trouble for
this Elder and his companion.
Brasil Area Presidency asked ... Do Not share this video with anyone ... but
apparently many members are gloating with the success of this unfortunate
incident .... it will not help other missionaries in the area ... very sad
situation indeed !
I issue my strongest possible condemnation to those who are criticizing this
brave missionary for defending himself and his companion. Freedom of religion
must be preserved.
Fun to watch the missionary fight back, but acting that way makes proselytizing
more dangerous for all missionaries. Notice how calmly the natives hand over
their wallets?In my BYU portuguese class for returned-missionaries,
I met an Elder whose companion resisted the mugging by grappling with the
mugger. While grappling with the companion, the mugger shot this Elder in the
arm and through his shirt alongside his torso (very close call). The second
mugger hit the grappling elder on the head, then they left on their
motorcycle.The elder showed us his white shirt with bullet
entry/exit hole, and had a big exposed apparatus on his arm for somehow fixing
his arm.It's much better for missionaries to carry low amounts
of cash, and not have a reputation of resistance. And not endanger themselves or