Just read an article stating half of the heart, stroke and diabetes-related
deaths in the US are due to poor diet. Why should I subsidize health care
premiums for people who believe that pizza and soda are part of the essential
nutrition food groups. People who get no exercise by choice, eat a
poor diet (this has little to do with income), smoke, drink beer and alcohol
should have to pay higher premiums or be denied coverage until they have
permanently altered their behavior. These should be preexisting conditions.It's a simple matter of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
You HAVE to agree it is ridiculous to see people on welfare and who have
difficulties managing the costs of living life who also have the newest, most
popular phones.I know many hardworking people that have the simplest
and most very basic phones because of the money it save them.
Insensitive, but it focuses on those who want to spend money for consumer goods
and not on personal health. Let someone else pay for my health insurance, I want
to latest gadget.
It is disappointing that government is focused on expanding access to expensive,
inefficient health care. The US spends nearly double per person vs other first
world countries. The medical industry already gets enough of the economic pie.
Sadly there is no significant action to drive down costs because Big
Pharma and the other medical lobbyists own Washington.
Wow. This is shameful. What about all the people who can't afford iphones.
Trump's whole promise was that Obamacare would be replaced with something
better that we could afford and would give more choice. So much for that. How
about we just get the same healthcare plan Chaffetz gets.
The majority of Utah voters in his district have sent this man to the Capital 5
times. They should be ashamed to continue to support a man who clearly
doesn't care about his constituents and other less fortunate human beings.
His constant mis-steps and lack of integrity indicate utter unsuitability for
It is interesting that Jason Chaffetz chose the iPhone as the indicator of
wasteful spending considering the importance of cell phones in today's
world. Perhaps he chose it because it is an Apple product and didn't want
to malign the reputation of Samsung. How he came upon the iPhone as his
indicator of wasteful spending habits among the less advantaged among us is a
departure from the traditional Republican criticism of poor people owning
television sets and refrigerators.Why it never occurred to Chaffetz
that poor people may not be able to afford the most current iPhone, much less a
cell phone plan, is terribly disingenuous. Also, that poor people may have a
cell phone, much less a "smart phone" with the much more expensive data
plans required, is one of the few, "modest luxuries" in their lives.Many conservatives appear to argue that people in poverty need to do
without anything in order to justify their poverty. Notwithstanding, they
particularly resent poor people from having basic healthcare as it is, to the
conservative mind, just another lazy rejection of personal responsibility as if
they have the corner on moral judgment and conservative resentment.
It shows just how disconnected the dude is from real life. Why doesn't he
turn down his government provided health care and then have him shop how much it
would cost to insure his family. Unless he is buying a family of four new
iPhones every month - the cost comparison isn't even close.Last
year I tried early retirement. The reality is Health Care cost forced me back
into working again. The cost to insure my family was just under $2,000 a month,
with an $8,000 dollar deductible. Not sure what iPhones Chaffetz is
buying..... but it isn't even in the same ball park. Fortunately I had the
means to deal with that.... many don't or can't. It isn't a
matter of paying the extra $40 a month to AT&T to upgrade you phone, its a
heck of a lot more money than that.Mr. Chaffetz needs to come back
to the real world for a bit, or offer everyone the same package he has. But
saying the decision is $40 bucks, or $1,800... good grief the guy is delusional.
In about 20 months we will get to choose between Chaffetz and a new Rep. Lets
all choose the new guy and send Chaffetz to the unemployment line.
I would bet Chaffetz's iphone and health insurance are covered by the
government (or us)...
TJ - Eagle Mountain, UTMarch 7, 2017 1:38 p.m."A
politician who has the guts to be realistic and risk offending people. How
refreshing. I am so sick of paying for my health insurance and for lazy peoples
insurance also."Does this "sick" apply to your
automobile insurance, uninsured motorist insurance, homeowner's insurance,
fire insurance, liability insurance, flood insurance, earthquake insurance, fire
protection, police protection, and other protections where the cost is spread
around to others in the community? You pay essentially are contributing to cover
other people's risk. The more people the more you minimize your costs.Note: everyone on the ACA paid something according to their income. It
wasn't free. That's where medicaid comes in, to help the indigent and
very low income. The more people enrolled in the program, the lower the premiums
because the costs get spread around. This is what the individual mandate does.
It maximizes the resource pool.Insurance, by its very nature, is a
commodity where the costs are spread around to others. And as with other types
of insurance, the more risk you take, the less your cost if you don't have
Jason is merely expressing the views of many conservatives:"When
it comes to the question of why people are poor, less than half (46%) of those
surveyed said that circumstances beyond one’s control were more often to
blame while 38% said an individual’s lack of effort was more to blame.
About one-in-ten (11%) cited both factors. In addition, 65% believed that most
poor people in the U.S. do work but were unable to earn enough money. Just 23%
said the poor do not work.Democrats said by a 61% to 24% margin that
circumstances beyond one person’s control were primarily to blame for them
being poor. Republicans took the opposite view: 57% blamed individuals who were
poor for lack of effort compared with 28% who said it was due to circumstances
beyond their control."(PewResearchCenter 2013)
Hey there you go again -RE: "Let them eat... cake.Yes, that is his attitude, isn't it?And we all remember what
happened to Marie Antionette, don't we?Apparently Chaffetz is
not a student of history.
Jason...Thanks for adding another quote to a growing list of
Jasonisms...What would I say to my daughter if I supported trump?Has morphed into...Let them eat... cake.Thanks
Jason for your compassion.
@andyjaggy.Surprised you pay so much for healthcare. Didn't
Obamacare make it "affordable" for you? I don't think
Obamacare has been repealed or changed yet. Are saying it is actually not
"affordable?" Are you saying the Republicans need to hurry up and fix
it?BTW, Chaffetz did not vote for the Obamacare health insurance we
have today.Can you more clearly explain your concern?
That's odd - I never had to make that choice under Obamacare. Wake me up
when politicians like this guy have to make those same decisions with their
Chris B - Salt Lake City, UTMarch 7, 2017 1:14 p.m."Jason
is right in that I have no sympathy for any poor person who has spent hundreds
of dollars on a phone and cries about not being able to afford groceries or
health care."What makes you or Jason Chaffetz think poor people
buy new iPhones? Many get used equipment, much like they buy used everything
else including their TVs and cars. Also, they don't get two-year service
plans. Rather they buy "minutes" and renew when they can afford it.There are too many assumptions about "lazy, poor people" when
the far majority make due with what little they have. For example, my elderly
mother still uses a standard flip phone. No smart phone for her and she
piggy-backs off a relatives phone plan to keep her costs down. For her, going
out to McDonald's and "sharing" a hamburger is dinner.Chaffetz lives in the Republican smoke and doesn't seem to understand
reality. Like his town hall meetings, he stands on stage, smiles, and acts as if
he can't wait to get back to Washington. One wonders what goes through his
mind when the thought passes through that he is supposed to represent these
The world must be such a simple place from way up so high Jason. Down here in
the real world the lucky among us make the choice between healthcare or food and
shelter. Sadly millions are not even that fortunate.
Sorry Jason, it's much worse than that. I have to pay for 26 iPhones a year
for Health Care, then I have to pay for another 7 iPhones before the insurance
pays for anything! Stop this madness, jettison, destroy, Repeal, get rid of
OBAMA care now, keep your Obama Care Lite, give me back the free market, get
Government out of my health care. Do it, or you will not be re-elected!
We as a country have decisions to make as well as the individual: Expanded
Medicaid or the F-35? Medicare or wars of choice? Social Security or tax breaks
for the wealthy?If those with pre-existing conditions would quit
giving to their social organizations or religious institutions then maybe there
will be enough for healthcare, along with their iPhones. If we quit having kids
then we can get healthcare for ourselves at a better price, and fewer doctor
visits. Or just quit going to the doctor altogether and let nature take over,
and get rid of our iPhones. There are more things than iPhones that
we can give up for sure. But then, shouldn't those getting
Medicare and Veterans healthcare also give up their iPhones before getting any
Jason: Why is the US so regressive?How about healthcare for everyone, just
like every other first world country on earth.An iPhone should be a
choice, not healthcare.At some point the grownups will get back in office
and maybe, if we're lucky, the US will finally get a single payer system so
sick people can go to the doctor without fear of losing a home or declaring
bankruptcy.Instead we have a president and congressional republicans who
believe the United States needs more nuclear bombs and another huge boost in war
spending. How is that moral? How is any of that moral or the right thing
to do?Jason, I challenge you to do some soul searching.
"Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, told Americans Tuesday morning that
they'll soon have to choose between a new iPhone or better
insurance."Except a new Iphone doesn't cost thousands of
dollars yet, although they probably will after Trump's anti-capitalist
initiatives ruin international trade.“ I believe in
self-reliance.” – Jason ChaffetzWhat a bunch of
Trump!Chaffetz believes in self-reliance for other people, but not
for himself.You don’t see Chaffetz giving up the cushy health
care plan offered to Congressmen, do you?
Unless/until "someone", be it Congress, and/or some sort of executive
order comes that will effectively limit big pharma, and other healthcare
providers to somewhere LESS than about a million bucks a year in compensation -
Americans healthcare costs WILL get worse and worse.Don't be at
all surprised if your healthcare costs become 90% of your take-home pay within
20 yrs.They CAN and WILL get it, if nothing is done.No
easy fixes. Especially when various healthcare companies have the lobbying
power that they have now.
My my, Rep. Chaffetz has taken off the training wheels, and taking Trump's
deflection and distraction tactics down the drive way...all by himself! Accusations of a scandal bigger than Watergate? A GOP
appointee committing perjury? Ever-widening, ever-deepening oil
slick of Russian connections to Trump's family and administration? Sounds bad, right?But you know what is worse?At
least for Chaffetz?Being asked to choose between America's and
the GOP's interests. No problem!Just take a page
from mentor Trump: throw some wholly unrelated slop out into the pig sty and
count on the ensuing squealing and grunting to distract from the questions for
which you have no legitimate answers. Then spend any lingering bits of the news
cycle spinning some forced-grinned, insincere walk-backs and hope and pray that
the spotlight moves on, without ever needing to provide an answer.Here Chaffetz reaches back to Reagan's 1980 "Welfare Queen"
classic insinuation. Not the most original, but hey, if you lack
sufficient creativity and believe your constituents won't notice, why not,
right?Republicans are still searching for their rock bottom.
"Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, told Americans Tuesday morning that
they'll soon have to choose between a new iPhone or better
insurance."Expect to have this repeated to you over and over and
over again in 2018, Jason.
I pay the equivalent of 12 iphones a year for my family's health insurance,
and that's with my employer paying 50%. So really my insurance costs 24
iphones per year. Clearly my wife and I just need to sacrifice some of our
iphones in order to better afford health insurance. (hint: neither of us have
monthly rates:AT&T -- landline = $32.99Cell phone = $
9.99Mr. Chaffetz, If I was poor - I would STILL make the
choice for the cell phone....
Dear Jason, It's 2017.No one has land-lines anymore.Not even the poor.Sincerely, 1984
Chaffetz is saying people need to live within their means. For some reason,
many people find that offensive.
And the news media (Herb Scribner) again returns to fomenting leftist discontent
over something stupid said by Republicans..."Rep. Jason Chaffetz,
R-Utah, told Americans Tuesday morning that they'll soon have to choose
between a new iPhone or better insurance." This is a really poor lead
paragraph.It is a misrepresentation of what he was trying to convey. I
understand what he means, and that is that the Republican health plan is
intended to return personal choice and responsibility to the health insurance
buyer. They will now need to make choices between alternatives. They will have
to allocate their own resources. Sometimes hard choices will have to be made,
but only a deluded person would conclude that he was saying that all Americans
will have to choose between iPhones or health insurance.It's hard to
take the news media seriously when they are constantly publishing hit pieces
Some facts from the Supplemental Nutrition and Food Program (foodstamps):In 2015, the average SNAP client received a monthly benefit of $126.39,
and the average household received $256.11 monthly.For instance,
many Americans believe that the majority of SNAP benefits go towards people who
could be working. In fact, more than half of SNAP recipients are children or the
elderly. For the remaining working-age individuals, many of them are currently
employed. At least forty percent of all SNAP beneficiaries live in a household
with earnings. In fact, the majority of SNAP households do not receive cash
welfare benefits (around 10% receive cash welfare), with increasing numbers of
SNAP beneficiaries obtaining their primary source of income from employment.
American health insurance is really sick. I am a US cititzen living in Germany.
We have a single payer system. The premiums depend solely upon income. There is
no such thing as a pre-existing condition. Nearly everyone is insured, including
long-term unemployed and people on welfare. We have American friends who have
sent children to German relatives to receive medical treatment here. Funny thing
was that they vote Republican.
@TJI agree with your general premise that we must practice fiscal
responsibility.... unless, of course, your Donald Trump, and have the ability to
stiff your creditors declaring bankruptcy, pay zero taxes(still waiting for
those returns), and fly off to Florida every weekend to play golf on the
taxpayers dime("I'll be so busy I won"t have time to golf"). We
struggle to make ends meet and provide the best for our families, while the
Tweeter-In-Chief tells us, "Do as I say, not as I do!"
"...but people need to make a conscious choice and I believe in
self-reliance,” he (Jason Chaffetz) said on Fox News."---
Says the man who gets his health insurance paid for by other people (taxpayers).
@TJ " If you choose to be lazy or to work at a low paying job because you
are not motivated enough to improve your situation, you should still live within
your income. "So I dare you TJ, go to the rust belt and tell one
of the 50 year old guys who has lost his job through no fault of his own that he
is lazy and unmotivated.
Just give us the same health plan you have, Jason
Chaffetz, unfortunately, forgot political correctness and told the truth (not
only about health care, but about life). For the vast majority of
Americans (despite the fact that half the world's population will never
come close to having the luxuries 99% of Americans have), we have to make
choices about having the latest and greatest iPhone, car, kitchen, man-cave,
you-name-it.As for single-payer, I have lived in countries that have
it. It can be relatively inexpensive, but not always. Additionally, if you are
older and/or have any specialized medical needs, there may or may not be a long
waiting list, and the procedure you need may or may not be available in-country.
Its not a bad system, just different. But, quality of life for older folks is
generally poorer than what we have in the US. As the proponents of Obamacare
have pointed out, countries with single-payer need to make financial choices
about medical care toward the end of life. And, collectively, they do.
Just more red meat for the MAGA red hat jingo patriots. Total disconnect with
the families struggling to make ends meet in this day and age. Try leaving your
ivory tower on occasion to see how the other half lives. Wow....
A politician who has the guts to be realistic and risk offending people. How
refreshing. I am so sick of paying for my health insurance and for lazy peoples
insurance also. I am for helping those who need help and can't take care of
themselves but they are a small percentage of those who the government is
purchasing insurance for. If you choose to be lazy or to work at a low paying
job because you are not motivated enough to improve your situation, you should
still live within your income. No one deserves more than they earn. Credit is
much to easy to obtain when so many have no means or intention to pay it back.
No one is entitled to have more than they can afford. Reality bites many
thousands of people each day. Plan ahead and live responsibly if you don't
want to be one of them.
Jason is right in that I have no sympathy for any poor person who has spent
hundreds of dollars on a phone and cries about not being able to afford
groceries or health care.If any poor person has purchased iphone
that costs hundreds of dollars - its clear why they are poor.
Aren't there some connections to the Russians he's supposed to be
looking into? In any case, I understand what he said but it was kind of a
callous way to put it. Especially if you consider people for whom this is not a
choice. No health care, no Iphone. Plus, isn't there a moral or ethical
imperative associated with health care that makes it incomparable to a durable
consumer item? I think so. Anyway, it sounds like he's since
recanted, at least somewhat.
As an owner of Apple and Verizon I hope Americans will choose the I-phone.Sick or healthy a person can enjoy their I-phone.It's
the one toy that can make being sick fun.
Why is it that in other countries of the world, where most have a single payer
system, the average costs for healthcare breaks down like this:- In
the U.S. Healthcare costs approximately $9450/person, the highest by far-
The next Highest to U.S. is Switzerland with $6835/person- And the
worldwide average is about $5000/personSource - Organization for Economic
Co-operation and Development (OECD) 2015And the thing that the vast
majority of the other countries have in common is that most of them are some
sort of single payer system. Also the majority of those costs for other
countries are heavily subsidized by the government. Isn't
there something morally wrong with making healthcare a 'for profit'
business? There is a difference between non-profit (everybody gets paid, some
very well paid) and for profit (everyone gets paid, but profit to the
shareholders is the primary goal.)What do you think?
The Republicans Healthcare is really Obamacare 201. Obama did all the work and
readied the US for real health care. All the Republicans have done is redraw a
few lines. Thanks Barrack. Healthcare without a mandatwe is will never work. It
would be like having the requirement for auto insurance and then make it
elective for all. Tax credits are worthless for Americans who can even afford
food much less the medical insurance for starvation. Chaffetz should have said
"would you rather have the health insurance we provide or would rather
have health insurance that I get as your Representative?".
Trump [and therefore Jason Chaffetz] want to increase defense spending by
ANOTHER $54 Billion.[Over the $597 Billion now being spent].Dear Jason, that $54 Billion would buy 180 Million new iphones -- that
is more than 50% of the entire NATION, but that somehow fails to registrar
"the total cost of employer-sponsored PPO coverage for an average American
family of four–is $25,826."From Forbes.Mr
Chaffetz, If you consider that we spend significantly more than any other
developed nation, don't you think that is more of an issue than buying a
$700 phone?A good insurance policy for a family of 4 costs over
$1500 per month in premiums. That is more than most peoples house payments.Nevermind. I am confident that this goes right over your head.
Maybe someday Mr Chaffetz will say "Some of these Pharma,
Insurance and healthcare CEO's may have to choose between a $30 million
compensation package and their jobs"
Chaffetz knows best.Just ask him.
You need history to understand health insurance. FDR instituted wage controls
during WWII. Companies needed workers and couldn't pay higher wages due to
the caps.But they COULD offer health insurance to employees. And so
began the practice of employer-paid health insurance. It could have been car
insurance or fire insurance. But it was health insurance.And
by-and-by it became a "right" in the eyes of liberals.When
you institutionalize health insurance it becomes expensive for all. There are
other ways to take care of the poor without costing all of us much more.Jason's trying to put the expense of health insurance in
perspective. But we all know people who don't have car insurance and
don't save for retirement...I suppose expecting it'll all work out and
Uncle Sam will pick up the pieces.
Remember Utah, we bear responsibility for Jason Chaffetz.
Dey could always get one of dem Bamafones.
It's well past time that Jason Chaffetz and all of his comrades lose their
golden health care plans and be put under the same health care that the foist
off on the rest of society. Let's end that now!
Totally and completely disconnected from any reality.
The callousness of Chaffetz' statement is beyond comprehension. We're
a nation of people, not a nation of haves and have nots. It's easy to see
which side Chaffetz is on.
Always nice to hear the financially comfortable arrogantly pontificate on
matters they have never experienced.
A stupid comment in a long line of stupid comments. Jason Chaffetz
doesn't realize that poverty can descend on anyone, particularly with a
health crisis. He needs to realize that good healthcare is a right for all
Americans, not the privileged few who can afford it. Also, basic cell services
are not very expensive. Such comments are heartless and insensitive.
For many people, a cell phone is their only link to the outside today. It's
like those Republicans insisting that having a refrigerator, a television, an
automobile, or a cell phone are luxuries and indicative that people should be
able to afford health care by themselves. They see no need for a safety net. If
people have fallen into poverty, too bad for them.Luckily, Chaffetz
is not one of them. He is feeding at the government trough and is very
comfortable, ready to pass judgment on those less fortunate than himself. One
wonders if he as ever experience poverty as he shows absolutely no understanding
of the condition. Rather is sounds like a entitled elitist who has never had a
day he didn't have something to eat and a place to sleep.
How does Jason suggest people find employment in 2017 without a smartphone?
Also, can't you buy an older generation iPhone (or other smartphone) for
$100 - $300? That's a drop in the bucket compared to annual insurance
premiums. I'm guessing he'd tell them to take public
transportation to the nearest library to use a computer, which is wildly
impractical and still doesn't give a potential employer the ability to call
the person applying. I doubt very much that any employers are
willing to overlook having no way to contact their employees, prospective or
otherwise. It's more dog whistling about how poor people are
automatically lazy free-loaders, just like Reagan's "welfare
queens." It's a fantasy world where the middle class have been
convinced by the ruling class that poor people have it better / easier than
them. They get to do whatever they want while the middle class fights the poorer
class instead of teaming up with them to get their fair share of the pie.
Jason gets both, a smart phone and lifetime health insurance paid for by US
taxpayers. Why on earth does Jason feel entitled while so many of his
constituents can't go to the doctor when they're sick?Please
Jason, answer why you get entitlements, when you want to take those same
benefits away from those who are paying for your entitlements.
How ridiculous and insensitive can he be? $50 a month is a lot of money,
especially on minimum wage, or $10 an hour. Jason, you are
completely out of touch. You believe in self-reliance? Give up your
cushy, public-paid insurance and pay for you and your family out of your own
pocket. You need to just stop talking until you have lived as most
of the rest of us live.
Yes Jason -- Because we all know how poverty is a CHOICE.[$54
Billion over and above MORE for the military, screw the poor].
It's funny people are getting on him. He's right, just not
politically correct. Nobody wants to make choices, they want it given to them.
Give me health care and I'll have extra money for X-Box, I-Phone and the
like.Don't give me the story that someone is choosing between
insurance and the car to get to their only job. Those people are taken care of
already in the system. Let's not get more people on government welfare,
let's get less.(and now let the attacks begin)
Chaffetz: Americans may have to choose between a new iPhone or health
insurance====Chaffetz: Americans may have to choose
between a life or death
This- coming from a guy that gets government paid for healthcare AND a
government paid for phone. The hypocrisy of this guy has no limits.
Maybe the insurance cost he was talking about was listed on the Y-axis, so he
didn't know how to read it?
Where can you get health insurance that costs as little as the monthly payment
for a new iPhone? Does Chaffetz have the first clue how much health insurance
costs?A better analogy would be choosing between the payments for
the car you need to get to work or choosing healthcare.Or choosing
between groceries and healthcare.