@ GaryO - Virginia Beach, VA & Onion Daze - Payson, UT...You are
both correct in stating that we don't live in a Banana Republic anymore.
The Obama Regime is done and gone.Thanks for pointing
I am very surprised at the sudden concerns about the rights of our Native
Americans as both sides are debating the Bears Ears benefit for Utah. From the
original thirteen states to the expansion to the West, just about every treaty
signed with the Native American Nations had been ignored and violated by the
government. These violations were mostly engineered and driven by the
settlers' demand for more land and fewer natives in sight. Now that the
disagreement is between conservationists and States' rights, the
Natives' rights has conveniently become a part of the debate. The
Reservations where they live is a sad place to be. Unemployment is high and
other social problems are prevalence, compounded by lack of support and funding
that was promised in those mentioned treaties. Do we hear any protest or
support for the Natives for their ill treatment and misery? It seems our sudden
concern for them is not genuine but by self interest. I hope these folks will
support the Natives in their efforts to be provided all that were promised to
them when those treaties were signed. Both sides are right. But, which right is
better? I do not think I have a dog in this fight.
I can't for the life of me figure what our governor and congressional
delegation are thinking. The land where Bears Ears sits is mostly federal. The
federal government doesn't have to ask permission of the states to do
anything with their land. It would be like your neighbor walking across the
street and telling you what to do with your yard. It's not his so he
can't determine what is done with it. I don't know where our
so-called leaders have been for the last few years. They should know that these
lands are under the administration of the the United States Government. It was
an agreement that these lands remain federal in order for Utah to become a
state. Where have you been people, this is not new. The feds have no
obligation to do anything the state says. There are a lot of states that would
love to have a new national monument with the federal government paying for the
maintenance and upkeep. Utah's so-called leaders don't truly
represent the majority of its citizens. Take a look at this post, there are
more supporters than those against. It is the same with other posts I've
seen. Give up this ridiculous notion, it is an embarrassment to our state.
Don't ya love how folks in the east like to tell us how to live. Get
involved in their politics and they go beset. Hmm, let's see, where did the
colonization and take over of native lands/artifacts first take place. It
wasn't Utah. Again, evidence of liberal hypocrisy. It's on display
multiple times daily and needs to be exposed.
Onion Daze, I'm afraid that in this case, the spoils really DO go to the
victor.And now he's trying his best to spoil the entire
nation.Heck, he might even spoil the entire planet. The
election coming in two years might be a real shock to the GOP and the people who
have purchased their services. I sincerely hope so.
How about if we just defund Chaffetz?
"The difference is under Bishops's and Chaffet'z proposal you
would still be able to mine and drill, under the National Monument designation
you can't."That's false.
"We firmly believe that these decisions are best made locally, not by
lame-duck presidents . . . " - Jason ChaffetzIn other words,
Jason Chaffetz feels no respect or reverence at all for the U.S. Constitution.
We shouldn't be surprised, should we? His allies, Putin and the Russians,
feel EXACTLY the same way.Hey Hank Jr -" . . . with
the victor goes the spoils . . ."Good point! Spoils are STOLEN
goods. When Democrats win, there are NO "spoils." Is it any
wonder that such an accomplished fraud, cheat, and thief is the LEADER of the
GOP?When Trump won, the Russians and a few American plutocrats won,
but we the people of the United States lost.We lost that battle, but
that does not mean we will lose the war.
The National Park Service and the Antiquities Act (under which Bears Ears
Monument was designated) were BOTH started by Republican POTUS Theodore
Roosevelt. He saw firsthand the massive killing of animals and overgrazing and
crafted these laws. GW Bush also designated millions of acres as federal land to
protect it.TR said: "We have become great because of the lavish
use of our resources. But the time has come to inquire seriously what will
happen when our forests are gone, when the coal, the iron, the oil, and the gas
are exhausted, when the soils have still further impoverished and washed into
the streams, polluting the rivers, denuding the fields and obstructing
navigation." It is only the Cro Magnon tendencies of the new
Trump-GOP who want to bring us back to the 1800's and mine-drill-frack the
land, giving it to their wealthy contributors. I implore the D-News
to tell us who are the largest GOP contributors in these districts. I want to
understand why the huge rush to revert these designations when the majority of
the public want these lands preserved. Hands off!!!
Not all Utahns support the designation. Its NOT the best way to preserve the
area. How many people legitimately even knew of the area's resources
until it became publicized? Now, areas that were preserved through anonymity
are going to get "loved" to death from increased visitation to the 10th
power. The notoriety achieved now has probably already doomed the place, much
to the sadness of all who knew, past tense, the solitude of the area.
Obama did listen to the locals, the boundaries he chose for Bears Ears are
almost 100% the same as the boundaries that Bishop and Chaffetz came up with in
their proposal. Had he not listened he would have gone with the much larger
proposed boundaries that the native Americans were requesting. The
difference is under Bishops's and Chaffet'z proposal you would still
be able to mine and drill, under the National Monument designation you
can't. Of course I'm sure the fact that Bishop get's something
like 80% of his campaign donations from out of state oil companies has nothing
to do with anything, it's just a random coincidence.
It's still a national monument. The hissy fit of these people will result
in neglect of a federal asset, not a change in status. Did you see the op-ed
piece that the Republicans are not capable of governing? Talk about being dead
on. Governing by tantrum.
If the latest attempt to de-legitimize BENM is successful, it sounds like a
non-profit, tax-deductible foundation needs to be established to support the
Native American tribes' effort to protect Bears Ears. Leonardo DiCaprio
set the example with his donation, which infuriated the powers-that-be, in
Utah.A lot of liberals don't go to church, and might be
persuaded to donate to this worthy cause, providing church-going, lower tax
paying conservatives a taste of their own medicine, as federal revenue
shortfalls threaten things like the F-35 fighter program, which
disproportionately benefits Utah.Native Americans vs Utah
Republicans - Game On!
I often disagree with Chaffetz but on this one he is right on point. To
designate national monument or other protected status without regard to the
input of local citizenry is flat out wrong.The land belongs to all
Americans. The Native Tribes that requested this designation have the only
interest at stake here and were within their right to request the designation.
If they felt the state of Utah would have been better suited to protecting the
land they would have asked them to do so. Instead the tribes felt Obama was
their best option. As for the local citizens, they have no more
say in this matter than some one like me that lives in Texas or a New Yorker.
Frankly I don't know why the GOP feels the need to make a production of
"defunding" BENM. It was never going to be adequately funded, no matter
the POTUS. Look at Canyons of the Ancients or the national park and monument
system in general. That was always one of the main reasons for opposition: you
significantly increase the visitation by rebranding it a monument and the
funding to manage the increase forever lags behind.Popularization
@Hank Jr."Congress will overturn the Obama Regime's decision to
shove Bear;s Ears down our throats."Highly unlikely. There are many
GOP Senators (Colorado, & Eastern States), who would never support a repeal.
They represent their constituents, and they love their public lands and the
protection of them. Utah Republicans are in a minority with their anti
environment record and attacks on public land management.
I'm a lifelong Republican with a middle class income. I will never amass a
great fortune or large amounts of property. The one treasure I have in this life
is that I have access to the wilderness and it's why I've chosen Utah
as my home.I understand that this is and argument of how the land is
managed. That the feds and state have different approaches towards logging and
mining and what is allowed and that is fine to debate it. All I ask is that they
dont pollute it and destroy the habitat. Please take a long-view approach and
dont bend for a quick buck that might have lasting effects.
"...Trump won, and with the victor goes the spoils.""the
spoils".We do not live in a "Banana Republic".See Hank Jr @ 8:37 p.m.
Is Bears Ears worthy of some protection? Yes, but not 1.3 million acres
worth.Collaborative legislation is what Governor Herbert,
Congressman Chaffetz and others have sought from the onset. Liberal groups fear
collaboration because it means that they will not get everything they want and
will likely be precluded from creating a private playground rather than agreeing
to mixed use that will benefit nearly everyone to some degree.I
often disagree with Chaffetz but on this one he is right on point. To designate
national monument or other protected status without regard to the input of
local citizenry is flat out wrong.
In today's hard-copy DN was an article about Utah Lake. The land beneath
that body of water is owned by the State of Utah. The polluted situation at
Utah Lake brings in to question the validity of the following statement from
this Bears Ears article. "We, along with state and local
officials, and the residents of San Juan County, are committed to ensuring that
the Bears Ears region is protected and productive. We firmly believe that these
decisions are best made locally, not by lame-duck presidents,"Raw sewage was going into Utah Lake as late as 1967. Not all local decisions
are of the highest quality.
it's a shame liberals still think they run the place, and anyone who
disagrees with them and doesn't do what they want is evil. don't fund
it. it provides no more protection anyway.I am very content with our
congressional delegation, with the exception of hatch. if every state sent a
delegation like ours the entire nation would be in much better condition.
Will Bears Ears National Monument get funded?Short Answer.......NOAnd for a good reason. Hillary lost the election, Trump
won, and with the victor goes the spoils.Congress will overturn the Obama
Regime's decision to shove Bear;s Ears down our throats.Now Get
Used To It
It's a shame these GOP politicians can't take their obsession for
serving their mineral and oil extraction masters and apply that obsession to
more Head Start funding, higher reading scores, or reducing classroom sizes.Instead they insist on tarnishing our state's reputation every time
they open their mouth.
Let's keep Bears Ears and get rid of some overpaid and dysfunctional
politicians that reside in Utah and DC.
Not only do Utah GOP politicians ignore their constituents, they go out of their
way to alienate them. Pretty sad when Republican politicians, in the reddest of
the red states, are afraid to face their voters. Time for sweeping changes.