Holmoe: Despite disappointment of missing out on Big 12 invite, BYU is 'in a good spot'

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  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 11, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    @pac12champion

    "To be clear, it wasn't that the Big 12 didnt want to add more teams. They do, big time.
    They just couldnt find any worthy teams that added enough value to justify an invite. "
    ******************
    Sorry that I'm late to the party... This would have been a fun one to attend.

    I guess to make that kind of statement you are saying that a school who maintains the Bible as the foundation of their honor code would be deemed "unworthy"?

    If that's the definition of "unworthy" then we wear that badge with pride and honor. (That last word might be a tough one for some to understand.

    By all accounts, BYU was a lock for an invite to the Big 12 until the LGBT issue was raised. I can give you countless sports articles across the country that support this statement.

    In fact, the only folks that don't think that are some utah fans on this board who believe that their invitation to join the pac 10 wasn't the result of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech turning down their invites to join. Had anyone of those five decided to join Colorado in moving to the pac10 then the utes would still be sitting towards the bottom of the MWC today.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 11, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    @okie

    "Sounds like an insult until you finish the sentence... "The PAC 12 is the lowest of the P5 conferences, and BYU would give anything to be a member."

    ***************

    Not so okie... We proved that with the Big 12.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    March 6, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    Said:

    "Don't kid yourself.

    If the original Big 12 South / PAC 10 merger had happened, the Utes would have been left out in the cold.

    If the decision had been based strictly on football and overall athletic success, BYU would have been invited over U in a heartbeat."

    Resorting to fake news are we?
    Your claim has been debunked several times over the past few years. Utah was part of the original invite, especially after A&M moved on. Utah was to be part of the PAC12 East Division.

    Secondly, Tough!!! Utah was invited for more than football. It had to to with research programs, collaborations and other things.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    March 6, 2017 2:39 p.m.

    Can't have a BYU article about a masquerading football team without to things:

    1. Bashing the Pac12.
    2. Listing BYUs supposed accomplishments.

    No wonder you bash the PAC12. They don't care about your accomplishments. And neither does the SEC, ACC, BIG10 and BIG12.

    Might as well get it started. The Utes collaborated with Putin to keep BYU out.

    40+ years and counting!!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 5, 2017 8:20 p.m.

    BYU has the competition but they would have to win on the road and go undefeated probably two years in a row to even get an invite to the BIG 12. Reality. Chances of this happening? Slim.

  • tyroneweaver Burley, ID
    March 5, 2017 6:16 p.m.

    For some odd reason I see a correlation between democrats refusing to believe Trump won the election and BYU fans of Utah getting into the Pac12

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2017 7:57 p.m.

    worf "the lowest of the P5 conferences."

    Sounds like an insult until you finish the sentence... "The PAC 12 is the lowest of the P5 conferences, and BYU would give anything to be a member."

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 2, 2017 6:50 p.m.

    Even today, the Big 12 is short 2 schools. Utah and byu weren't competing for single spot. That Utah was chosen has nothing to do with byu getting left out. And had byu earned a spot accepted the terms of inclusion, that doesn't mean that Utah would have been left out.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 2, 2017 5:37 p.m.

    Big J

    "While BYU could continue with an ESPN deal after the 2018 season (currently better the MWC money but not as lucrative as most BYU fans think) it will be at a greatly reduced rate. ESPN is already in trouble and that will continue as the pay TV market shrinks and their current commitments continue."

    If you think those same conditions won't impact future P5 contracts with all of the major sports networks just as much, you're living in LaLaLand.

    With their own HD, state-of-the-art television station, BYU is well-positioned to take advantage of emerging distribution channels.

    And let's not forget, unlike Utah, ALL of BYU's athletic facilities are already paid for.

    The Utes have mortgaged their athletic facilities to the hilt and would be in a world of hurt if the PAC 12 gravy train were to shrink dramatically.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 2, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    BYU is fine just need to correct that bowl tie in.

    BlueCoug

    What's with the name calling and CAPs use? You may have a reasonable position and stance yet you get excited and defensive when some one has a differing opinion. What's the deal? Always in attack mode. Sheeesh.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 2, 2017 5:10 p.m.

    desperate ute

    Once again, you completely ignore the fact that at the time Utah was invited to the PAC 12, BYU's accomplishments, especially on a "big boy" level, dwarfed Utah's accomplishments...

    and still do.

    If Utah is so good, why have the Utes only had TWO 11+ win seasons and only THREE AP Top 25 ranked conference champions?

    AP Top 25 / Conference Championship Teams
    BYU - 14
    Utah - 3

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

    Even with all of the resources of a P5, Utah barely beat BYU by a single point on your home turf in 2016.

    With a brand new coaching staff implementing brand new offensive and defensive schemes, BYU fell short of an undefeated season by 8 points; Utah lost to California by nearly that many points.

    And, BYU was ranked ahead of the Utes in the final Sagarin rankings.

    It's hilarious how U talk about Utah's Final Fours and 1944 NCAA tourney title as if they happened yesterday, yet U whine about BYU's accomplishments from 1984 and even 2009 as if they were ancient history.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    March 2, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    Tom always tries to paint a pretty picture of BYU football and athletics. Unfortunately most of what he says is just “smoke and mirrors.” While BYU could continue with an ESPN deal after the 2018 season (currently better the MWC money but not as lucrative as most BYU fans think) it will be at a greatly reduced rate. ESPN is already in trouble and that will continue as the pay TV market shrinks and their current commitments continue. BYU made its own bed and now must live there.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 2, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    Desperate Ute

    The ONLY reason Utah leads in the overall series is U began with a 30-year head start and, 30 of the first 40 games were played at Utah, and then BYU had to start their program again from scratch after WWII.

    1965 to 2009, BYU owned U, not only head-to-head, but on a conference and national scale.

    National Championships - 1-0
    Heisman Trophies - 1-0
    National Hall of Fame Players - 6-0
    AP Top 25 - 17-5
    Conference Championships - 23-5
    11+ win seasons - 11-2
    Head-to-head - 29-21

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 2, 2017 1:11 p.m.

    Desperate Ute

    The four "cherry-picked" seasons were the four seasons immediately preceding Utah's invitation to the PAC 12; what's more relevant than that?

    In those four years alone, BYU had more 11+ win seasons (3) than Utah has had in their entire history (2), and nearly as many AP Top 25 finishes (4) as Utah had had in their entire history up to that point (5).

    U haven't had a single four year period in your entire history that even comes close to what BYU accomplished from 2006 to 2009.

    And that period in BYU history doesn't even come close to what BYU accomplished from 1979 to 1985.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    March 2, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    When was the last time a PAC 12 team other than USC won a Consensus National Championship?

    All of the other P5 conferences have had multiple teams win consensus national championships.

    The PAC 12 is THE weakest of the P5 conferences.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    March 2, 2017 12:18 p.m.

    Howard W

    You have absolutely no proof other your own biased opinion that BYU's donors only stepped up in anticipation of a BYU invitation to a P5 conference.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 2, 2017 11:44 a.m.

    ekute

    "The Utes and the Horned Frogs earned inclusion and were destined no matter how things shook out."

    Don't kid yourself.

    If the original Big 12 South / PAC 10 merger had happened, the Utes would have been left out in the cold.

    Utah's record in the four years immediately preceding Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 in 2010 pales in comparison to BYU's.

    2006 - #16/#15 BYU(11-2) CC, unranked Utah(9-4), BYU won head-to-head
    2007 - #14/#15 BYU(11-2) CC, unranked Utah(10-3), BYU won head-to-head
    2008 - #25/#21 BYU(10-3), #2/#4 Utah(13-0) CC, Utah won head-to-head
    2009 - #12/#12 BYU(11-2), #18/#18(10-3), BYU won head-to-head

    BYU was MUCH better than U three of the four seasons.

    If the decision had been based strictly on football and overall athletic success, BYU would have been invited over U in a heartbeat.

  • Johnny Triumph Ibapah, UT
    March 2, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    @ekute - 'hate' gets nowhere, only raises ire between the fanbases. In reality we all win if both the U and BYU are successful. And, for that matter, we need USU and Weber to succeed as well.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 2, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    Johnny Triumph,
    Thanks for your answer. Some of us, as fans of your instate rival, are critics, sometimes uncalled for...but not so much..."haters".

  • Adirondack Cougar Loon Lake, NY
    March 2, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    P5 > Indy > G5 so BYU has moved up from G5 and waiting for a P5 invite. We don't have control of the invite but we do have control over schedules and wins. Meaning BYU can schedule wisely and have a stronger schedule than any MWC team whether it is flipped or not. Then BYU needs to find a way to win more of the P5 games (new coaches and better recruiting) . The rest will take care of itself.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 2, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    Holmoe talks about major donors stepping up.

    It should be clear that those donors stepped up in anticipation of BYU being invited to the b12.

    The real challenge will be if those donors will write checks, over the long term, to BYU as an Indy. And especially if BYU struggles on the field.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    When "left out," "ignored" and "uninvited" is a "good spot" then there is some serious double speak coming from Provo!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 2, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    worf:

    What a frantic and emotional thing to have been saying for the past several weeks. How miserable for you that you can't back that up. The truth is, the Pac-12 isn't "the lowest of the P5 conferences", and that just kills you. You WISH it was, but every year, the Pac-12 finishes no lower than 3rd.

    The cougars on the other hand are still "midmajors forever", just like I'd been saying for the past 7-yrs. Haha!

  • Johnny Triumph Ibapah, UT
    March 2, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    @ekute - I agree with you for both BYU and Utah, the way forward for either program is continued improvement and ending the season ranked. BYU had a long string in the 1980s and 1990s of that practice and the U has improved in the past 15 years in that regard but both programs just need to perform on the field by beating the known win teams and throwing in a surprise or two where not expected, or, in the event of a loss, at least be in the game until the end. And the media needs to lay off the hype.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 2, 2017 9:58 a.m.

    When the media stops with the incessant asking for reassurance. Then, byu will be 'in a good spot'. I suggest that the means to the end is a string of appearances in the polls and better than a prearranged little bowl. "How close are we?" should be the question of the day for sitake and holmoe.

    For those that will counter my comment by bringing Utah into the conversation my preemptive answer is that the question of the day for the Utes is "When will we take the next step?".

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 2, 2017 9:58 a.m.

    Worf,
    Lackluster performance on the field is more likely.

    The Utes and the Horned Frogs earned inclusion and were destined no matter how things shook out.

  • Johnny Triumph Ibapah, UT
    March 2, 2017 9:56 a.m.

    I should also add that

    2016 -
    2 P5 home opponents
    1 quality MAC opponent
    2 poor teams
    1 FCS team

    1996 -
    1 ranked P5 home opponent (arranged game, not BYU scheduled)
    1 WAC opponent that finished with a winning record
    4 WAC opponents that finished with losing records
    1 FCS

  • Johnny Triumph Ibapah, UT
    March 2, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    @YaskY - I'm not seeing a ton of difference with the home schedules indy vs mwc. Let's look.

    2016 Home Schedule - 13 games broadcast nationally
    UCLA ESPN2 finished 4-8
    Toledo ESPN2 9-4
    Mississippi State ESPN 6-7
    So Utah BYUtv 6-5
    UMass BYUtv 2-10
    Utah State ESPNU 3-9

    1996 Home Schedule - 5 games broadcast nationally
    **all home games EXCEPT the 1st broadcast only locally on KSLtv

    Texas A&M (ABC - Pigskin Classic, hence the 7th home game) finished 6-6
    Arkansas State 4-7
    New Mexico 6-5
    SMU 5-6
    UNLV 1-11
    UTEP 2-9
    Rice 7-4

    Things look much better now vs 20 years ago, in my opinion, with the only major difference being the FCS opponent in Nov rather than Sept.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 2, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    The Utes are an average team in the lowest of the P5 conferences.

    They would not be in the PAC12 if BYU would have endorsed, and accepted certain standards of morality.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    March 2, 2017 8:52 a.m.

    For me, it was simple. My season tickets gave me some great games every year at home, and something to shoot for in Conference competition with a known quantity Bowl game possibility.

    But since independence, the home schedule has been poor, no Conference competition, and postseason play has been random.

    So, I sold my season tickets. My enjoyment and passion for BYU Football has been dramatically diluted. Independence was a mistake. I said that when it happened, and nothing has happened to change my mind.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    March 2, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    The "gnashing of teeth" by ute trollers on anything BYU is absoluely hillarious !! lighten up kids as it is just a game that is played for entertainment and funzeees....

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 2, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    @PAC 12 Champion Utes (*False Advertisement - Not in Football, Basketball, Baseball, Softball, Tennis, etc. I guess you thought this was a gymnastics article), AKA ChrisB

    So since you have been calling it for years that they will move to a P4 16 teams, and there is no chance that BYU kicks out an existing P5, please tell me who gets left out anyway. Your math doesn't add up. With Notre Dame it makes 65 teams, 4 Confs times 16 teams equals 64, so since you have been calling it for years. Who now gets left out?

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 2, 2017 7:59 a.m.

    If Tom Holmoe can find a spot for Notre Dame to come in November, then get rid of one FCS game.
    Why it took him that long to talk now of what happened about the Least XII? Four months I have been waiting for him to say something. He was frustrated for 3 days and we waited for this long?
    Independent is fine now, better than ever than being mwc. We wouldn't get the tv deal with mwc.
    Jason Buck is going to continue get frustrated with no mwc and no LES Expansion. Sorry Jason, good luck if you want to try to replace Tom Holemoe. Not gonna happen Jason.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 2, 2017 7:56 a.m.

    Springtime is just ahead, so it is time to start the hype machine for the fans about how great things are and how a conference bid is likely coming (but if it doesn't we are in a good place. . . ).

  • Johnny Triumph Ibapah, UT
    March 2, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    Indy is worth more to BYU than caving to a P5 conference. And quit whining that the less competitive games are in Nov rather than Sept, they're just flipped in indy.

    I'm more worried about the state of the men's bball team, at least football is in the same sad situation as 90% of the P5 teams...

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 2, 2017 7:14 a.m.

    BYU must be in a good place. By the looks of the comments from the usual BYU article crowd, the BYU inferiority complex is still going strong.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    March 2, 2017 7:13 a.m.

    The Big 12 fiasco was more about getting more money from the TV deals.
    The other conferences were more about political correctness, as in, of course, the PAC 12.
    Tarry on with Independence Cougs. Be above the fray. I'm proud of your commitment to continue to go forward with optimism.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 2, 2017 7:07 a.m.

    Poyman said:

    I think it's obvious that BYU would have received an invite to the Big 12 if not for the LGBTQ fiasco...
    ---------
    Totally agree too; and that's garbage in my book.

    Go Miners!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 2, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    Navel Vet

    Attendance smack from a little brother who's highest single game attendance is 15,000 LESS than BYU has AVERAGED for the last 35 years?

    LOL!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 2, 2017 6:53 a.m.

    @Chrissy - why are you claiming a non-existent PAC12 Championship for the Utes?

    Frankly, I don't think a conference for football is an improvement for BYU. It is fun to see them play around the country. They already play the creme of the PAC12, are getting SEC and B1G games home and home. Now let them compete for a bowl bid without a pre-arranged destination. BYU brings fans with them wherever they play. If they go unbeaten against a schedule like last year, they'll get an NY6 bowl game. Consider a scenario Boise and BYU have 11 win seasons, without playing each other. For sure they'd get the New Years Bowl invite. Why wouldn't a 12 win BYU season get consideration for the playoffs, given the schedules they're putting together?

    Finally, every conference has weak teams, teams that lose to FBS teams. If BYU has the record, they'll get a playoff bid. Sure, they'd have to be unbeaten. OK. Fair enough.

    Stay Indy, my friends.

  • RR Omaha, NE
    March 2, 2017 6:39 a.m.

    So BYU beats Gonzaga after promise after promise they never would and the opposition hides.
    An article about BYUs future is published and they crawl out of their hole. There is no comprehending this other than to say they really are the #2 most obsessed rival fan base out there.
    Welcome back from hibernation. BYU sports are great to follow aren't they?!

  • headplate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2017 10:39 p.m.

    All in all BYU sports are in a pretty decent place at this time, not the ideal but fairly decent with one glaring exception, November football. We all know the reasons why, but Tom cannot get compelling games scheduled in November, especially at home. It is usually a big let down and fans have a hard time getting motivated to attend a game in Provo with a 8:00 p.m. start time in November. Being part of a conference would certainly address that problem. But this is the hand that has been dealt so....

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 1, 2017 10:14 p.m.

    "Some have talked about the possibility of expanding the stadium from its 63,000-seat capacity..." -- Jay Drew

    Really? Who? Who amongst the Y faithful feel they had any compelling reason to expand a stadium that only fills up when their big brother comes to town? That sounded made up.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 1, 2017 10:12 p.m.

    IMO, BYU will never be invited to a P5 conference because of the honor code.

    I am proud of this, and would rather have BYU cancel football then join the changing values of America.

    Independence is a good fit.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 1, 2017 10:12 p.m.

    @spokaneute

    You are absolutely right... BYU is on a great spring board, but they need to work with ESPN to fix the whole Bowl Game set up situation... And, they need to get rid of the FCS games... Continue on with schedules against storied P-5 Programs for 6 or 7 games and hang on to the top G-5 programs (i.e. Boise State, Houston, and one or two of the other top MWC and AAC teams.

    I think it's obvious that BYU would have received an invite to the Big 12 if not for the LGBTQ fiasco... And assuming that was the main sticking point (which most news content providers have pointed to) then BYU did the right thing... There are some things that are definitely more important than being in a P-5 Conference... Holding to your Bible Based Beliefs if you are a Christian Based University is one of them.

    If the Big 12, or another Conference decides to expand or reorganize in the future, I hope they will have learned from this ridiculous public vetting process.

  • intrinsicrewards Salem, VA
    March 1, 2017 9:40 p.m.

    The Big 12 would have been a bad marriage. I hope Holmoe will eventually see that. Most BYU fans outside of Utah like BYU Independence and the schedule that has been created by Holmoe. No matter where in the country BYU plays there is a large fan base. P5 teams/promoters can't ignore that. I sat next to some WVU fans at FedEx field last September and they were stunned with the BYU fan support 2100 miles from Provo.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    March 1, 2017 8:31 p.m.

    Bronco is at Virginia, not Virginia Tech. Duh...

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 1, 2017 8:21 p.m.

    "To be clear, it wasn't that the Big 12 didnt want to add more teams. They do, big time.

    They just couldnt find any worthy teams that added enough value to justify an invite."

    We deal with enough fake news in the political spectrum, no need to bring it into sports!

    "The P5 with 65 currently teams will eventually become the P4 with 16 teams in each conference. I've been calling it for years."

    Well, if the P5 teams are supposedly the best, then let's take the top 64 teams and say they are the true P5 teams. Do you honestly think that BYU is not one of the top 64 teams in college football?

    While it's true that teams rarely, if ever, get replaced from a P5 conference, but that's not because the current team is hands down better than the replacement. Your hatred of BYU has blinded you to reason and facts so much that readers can't help but chuckle and/or feel sorry.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 1, 2017 7:54 p.m.

    Those mentioning the MWC are way off and following news that expired 6 years ago.

    Big XII would have been good, Independence is better then MWC.

    End of story.

  • az willy San Tan, AZ
    March 1, 2017 7:40 p.m.

    Keep on serving that blue Kool-Aid Tom

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    March 1, 2017 7:35 p.m.

    I still believe that the Big 12 will expand this summer, but that may not be in BYU's best interest anyway. I will explain. With ESPN losing subscribers, and with Google, Amazon, Facebook and others looking for ways to carve up the very lucrative sports broadcasting, things will be changing anyway. All they are waiting for is the ESPN contracts to end.

    When the ESPN contracts end, there is going to be a huge shift in the conference affiliations, since every P5 conference has some bottom dwellers that need to be jettisoned. Unfortunately, a very good example is Virginia Tech, with Bronco Mendenhall, because they only won two games last year, which wasn't much worse than the previous ten years of losing.

    National sports writers are predicting a super conference, with regional competition, much like both the NFL and NBA. I suspect that the powers to be would love this arrangement over the hodge-podge that now exists.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 1, 2017 7:34 p.m.

    Robin,

    That's why you need a TV screen visible from Ogden, brilliant idea!

    Go utes, sort of

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 1, 2017 6:06 p.m.

    “(Fans) come to see things other than the game.” - Tom Holmoe

    That's true, and it's becoming more and more true with each passing year.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    March 1, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    If the BIG 12 (maybe that should be the big12) led on BYU they also led on about 17 other teams. If their TV deal suddenly implodes about 2013 and either/or both Texas and Oklahoma leave for greener pastures the conference is toast.

    It would be disappointing to all 18 teams, not just BYU. It will make it harder for them to expand in the future unless they do it privately and not make a spectacle out of the process. They should have done that this time but egos got in the way and suddenly the TV contracts could hold them hostage.

    There's a lot of unwarranted and basic ignorant angst against BYU and it hasn't got thing one to do with their football program. How popular do you think they are in Spokane right now?

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 1, 2017 5:48 p.m.

    Hey, I enjoy watching college football, period. I especially love to watch my top 3; Huskers, Cougs and Cats. But guess what, it's just a game. That translates to fun, fun, fun. There are really only 4-6 teams in the Country that have a chance at an NC in todays world of exclusion and collusion. And they don't include BYU, Utah and about 130 or so other teams. sorry folks, that is the reality.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 1, 2017 5:37 p.m.

    "If we're in a good spot than why was the Big 12 invite was a disappointment?"

    We're in a good spot, because we're in a better spot than we were in in the MWC, but not as good as being in a P5 conference.

  • 6 in a row! Ogden, UT
    March 1, 2017 5:22 p.m.

    All the expansion talk, about that conference that lost Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska and Missouri, was about getting more leverage for their 10 teams. The same conference who had to add TCU and West Virginia.

    Bottom line... greed. They split the pie 10 ways.

    Even Baylor has to take a smaller slice for their lack of institutional control.

    What was the name of that conference? It doesn't matter...

    The MVC has some class... if the Cougars played home games with teams worth watching then the talk about expanding the stadium would be real. Too many home games against teams that nobody cares about.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 1, 2017 5:14 p.m.

    Other than the horrible bowl tie in; I think BYU is in a pretty dang good spot.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 1, 2017 4:50 p.m.

    "I don’t really feel like they led us on. ..." Ummm - yes they did. They just wanted a buyout of the expansion clause in their contract with Fox and ESPN. They got it (sort of) and so expansion died.

  • DevilCoug Mesa, AZ
    March 1, 2017 4:49 p.m.

    If we're in a good spot than why was the Big 12 invite was a disappointment? It's a good thing that didn't happen. Just win games and lets get a 2nd NC.

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    March 1, 2017 4:40 p.m.

    To play the best day in and day out would exclude the big 12 and PAC 12. Stay independent. Much more interesting

  • Pac 12 Champion Utah Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2017 4:37 p.m.

    To be clear, it wasn't that the Big 12 didnt want to add more teams. They do, big time.

    They just couldnt find any worthy teams that added enough value to justify an invite.

    The P5 with 65 currently teams will eventually become the P4 with 16 teams in each conference. I've been calling it for years.

    And the chance that byu kicks out an existing P5 team and takes their place when already none of the P5 conferneces want byu?

    LOL. Less than zero!