Monumental decision: Outdoor Retailer show leaving Salt Lake after meeting with governor over Bears Ears

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  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    July 31, 2017 8:44 a.m.

    ''the two events combined inject nearly $50 million annually into the city's economy.'' Hmm. Is there any way to make this up? Yes, by adding medical school seats at the University of Utah. Six seats would do it. A medical school annually adds $9 million per seat economic impact. See The Economic Impact of AAMC-Member Medical Schools and Teaching Hospitals 2008
    - AAMC members equaled over $512 billion.3 AAMC members accounted for more than 3.3 million full-time jobs; this statement means that one in every 43 wage earners in the U.S. labor force works either directly or indirectly for an AAMC member institution. Additionally, AAMC member institutions generated more than $22 billion in total state tax revenue generated through income taxes and sales tax, corporate net income tax,

  • 1Reader Sunnyvale, CA
    Feb. 19, 2017 12:11 p.m.

    Good riddance. Having been in Colorado this week, it's clear that CO is the new sprawling metropolis of the world--with unabated growth over sweeping plains (think Phoenix or LA). Utah is already clearly the global outdoor center, has plenty of growth, and doesn't need another convention. Let these radicals go somewhere worse (as if buying Patagonia depended on more federal lands; instead I was cautious to not purchase Patagonia recently because they are nuts). The federal govt doesn't need to own more than 2/3rds of Utah as it already does--especially by the very un-Democratic presidential fiat path to grab land for their own base in the final days, which has happened twice. That's not an option; it's just wrong.

  • dpal Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2017 10:19 a.m.

    Peter Corroon acts like the economic aspect is the only thing that matters. While economics is very important, it's not the only issue that a governor has to look at. It seems Corroon is criticising for political purposes.

  • herebedragons Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2017 3:17 p.m.

    About a decade ago, my wife and I were in the enviable position of looking for a ski home. Me, having deep ties to Colorado, preferred it there. We visited several places in the Rockies --Jackson Hole, Squaw, Big Sky, etc. However, something about the public land use policies in Utah made it seem right. Outside our eventual home, we hike, backcountry ski, ride the mountain / road bikes up / down the canyons. We've hosted friends, family, etc. in the Wasatch Mountains and taken frequent trips to Southern Utah. Some of our family and friends are also considering making (expensive) real estate investments in Utah. After following this saga between the OR and the UT government, we are considering withdrawing our investment in Utah and the money we spend there. Utah's public lands make is special in the western U.S., and conservation is more important (economically) to Utah than development / energy exploration. These splendid public lands are what we fell in love with in Utah and it is what will keep our investment there growing. The specter that the state government of Utah is willing to compromise that premise is horrifying. We have many friends that think as we do.

  • zencowgirl Ivins, UT
    Feb. 18, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    The hikers come into our small southern Utah towns with dirty shorts and a $20.00 bill and they don't change either one. Good riddance to the Outdoor Retailers Show.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 18, 2017 12:28 a.m.

    Question: Why can't Utah create their own outdoor retailer's convention? After all, it has already been declared that "This is the right place". I don't really understand how a single group, with an agenda that includes meddling in politics shouldn't be turned around the other way.

  • MyUSAwhat Riverton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 3:47 p.m.

    @ UtahBlueDevil - Durham, NC

    From the corners of far away North Carolina you ask.... "When did your family arrive?"
    My 5x Great Grandpa is listed on the Brigham Young Monument, located North of the intersection in the center of Main Street: (google search the Monument, as this site won't allow me to paste a link: Use the Utah Division of State History if you want it to be official) Oh, and my family arrived in North America less than 20 years after Columbus was here.... for the record. (And we do have cities named after our settlements on the East Coast.) You should know your audience!

    MORE IMPORTANTLY: I did not say, nor imply, that I decide what Utah stands for, you missed the point wholeheartedly, son. Why? Because you made it political instead of family oriented. (Which, BTW, IS what Utah stands for!)

    P.S. Knowing who the Blue Devils are (Duke): I say, if you were truly any kind of Utah fan, you would know that putting the words Ute and Blue together, in any context, is faux pas! Good Day-Sir! :0P~~

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    Feb. 17, 2017 2:11 p.m.

    The resolution was offensive to the people it dismissed as a " special interest group." While the resolution may just be harmless red meat to the political base, it comes across as stating that every elected official at every level of government in the entire state has seething hatred for environmentalists and everything they believe in.

    Utah seems to really struggle with whether it really wants to be a hospitable place or not. Don't get me wrong--I'm sure the governor wasn't trying with the resolution to stick it to outdoor retailers and their customers, but consider it from their perspective.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    As a Republican, I can't understand what all the hoopla over Bears Ears is. It has already been declared a National Monument. You would think that having more National Parks and National Monuments in the state would be a good thing for the economy, not a bad one.

    Tourism, not oil and gas, is our economic future. There isn't even a guarantee from the Trump administration that they would rescind the decision on Bears Ears. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. The governor needs to do everything in his power to remedy this situation. Losing the OR will have a HUGE impact on the local economy.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Feb. 17, 2017 1:35 p.m.

    " 'It smacks of gross ingratitude to a community that has embraced the Outdoor Retailer show, subsidizing its success and expansion through direct investment — let alone extraordinary hospitality,' said Paul Edwards, the governor's deputy chief of staff."

    I think I missed something here. Were you giving the OR show a free venue, or have they been paying rent for the place? Was the DN charging for publicity or running free ads? Perhaps Mr. Edwards can tell me what "extraordinary hospitality" that was shown. Were OR people put up for free in his guest room?

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 1:24 p.m.

    Choosing to flush $50 million a year down the drain is a decision made by the "best run state in the Union!" Just another Republican disaster and the year is not even a full two months old!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:59 p.m.

    "If you don't like what Utah stands for- GO BACK! OR think more about WHY you moved here in the first place and support what you moved to!"

    And you represent what Utah stands for? Really? When did your family arrive? I guarantee it wasn't before my family, unless you are a native American. You got towns named for your ancestors who founded those towns? When did you get to decide what "Utah" stands for? Unless you are a local dependent of the tribes whose this land was their ancestral home, your family has no more rights to this land than the person whose moving truck arrived last week.

    And are you seriously trying to tell anyone that a significant proportion of the state's population supports their family by hunting for food... beyond it being a hobby? You may be confusing Utah with Alaska, which it isn't.

    That land was always federal land - never was yours to do with as you please.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    Best to enjoy the outdoors with as little stuff as possible anyways. Good walking shoes, sleeping bag and tent can be found outside these shows. I hope Bear Ears prevails. The federal government does a better job protecting the area than the state.

  • fireonthemtn Reno, NV
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    The OR folks made a principled decision based upon their beliefs... something that the vast majority of right wing red hat jingo patriots on this comment thread threw out the window when they pulled the lever for Trump.

  • MyUSAwhat Riverton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:18 p.m.

    It seems to me that there are a lot of NON-Utah'n comments here. Some supporting our state and others not. Many of the "Utah'n" comments are CLEARLY from those who have moved here from other states. They generally move here to get away from the overpopulation and lack of freedom they experienced there: Only to bring their baggage (and poor driving skills) with them here. If you took a poll of people who are NATIVE to Utah: Whose families have been here since, let's say, the 40's or earlier: I believe you would realize that the outdoors mean a lot more to us than any of you who moved here for the scenery! Annual hunt's put food on our tables, we can't do that in much of the NM lands (Bears Ears is one of the new "you can" but there are limits). There's a lot we cannot do in NM land, that we can do in 'The Great Outdoors' otherwise. If you don't like what Utah stands for- GO BACK! OR think more about WHY you moved here in the first place and support what you moved to! Most importantly- WHEN did retail shopping become a political challenge- I boycott that idea!

  • Diego De La Vega South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:04 p.m.

    Two-thirds of Utah land is controlled by the federal government. An other 10% is controlled by the State Government. Outside liberal groups and some groups inside of Utah with lots of money want to see Utah a vast reserve for an environmentalists' playground. The people of Utah should not be allowed to develop their own resources, If the states east of the Mississippi River had to surrender 67% if their home states to federal oversight, they would rise up in rebellion against the Federal Government. Utah needs to assert control over the land and its resources within the state boundaries. The Federal government should only control military sites, Federal buildings and post offices, for example.

  • AndrewJackson New Harmony, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:08 a.m.

    The radical left and right are both wrong. We need first to get the Federal government out of State lands. Each State is a sovereign entity by Constitutional law, read it. Why did the Federal government illegally keep so much of the western lands and not the eastern ones? Secondly, we need a Utah plan to manage lands correctly and set aside large areas as permanent wilderness or park. Utah's lands must belong to, and be wisely managed by Utahns. Now if both sides don't come together on this, and recognizes each others point, then we will always be at each other and nothing good will come of it.

  • armchairQBonthehill Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:05 a.m.

    airnaut . . .any anyone else claiming "most Utahns want the monument" are adhering to former British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli's notion that "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

    Not sure where the fake 2/3 keeps coming from but our own Hinckley Institute of Politics poll said . . .
    Sep 21, 2016 - The pushback against a monument designation comes as a new Salt Lake Tribune-Hinckley Institute of Politics poll shows Utahns are split over . . .

    And like several of the national push polls funded by the Sierra Club and others, even the local poll did not ask whether Utahns supported "the executive order" creating Bears Ears. And the reason they do not to ask is because they already know from years of polling Utahns regarding executive order action (e.g. Clinton exec. order on Grand Staircase) that a majority of Utahns DO NOT SUPPORT the POTUS executive order of doing business to protect federal lands.

    Feb. 17, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    I would like to see the "economic impact" of the millions that are allegedly lost here. I am sure there are some venues and hotels that lose out but I think most of the millions are going from Utah consumers to the Outdoor retailers. I think this is a big stink about losing a left wing granola event.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    andyjaggy said "it makes no sense for the OR to stay in a state that is so hostile to the very idea of public lands, the states efforts to seize control of Federally owned land"

    Might we remind you and all the others who think this that the land was Utah's long before it was the Federal government's.

    And before that, it was many other entities lands.

    So its silly to keep saying any land in Utah is 'Federally owned land'.....
    It is that ONLY because they keep appropriating it (against Utahns and others wishes) over the last 121 years.

  • AndrewJackson New Harmony, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    Hey... Outdoor Show! ... Don't let Echo Canyon hit you in the butt on your way out!

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    @ RBC - Cody, WY - Well written comment but your premise is inaccurate. Governor Herbert has never advocated the transfer of title of Bears ears to Utah but rather has been very vehement in his call for "collaborative legislation".

    This where the OR show, Peter Metcalf, et. al have been so effective in wide spread misinformation. Masterful, in fact, as they tell partial truths mixed with inaccurate hyperbole that is swallowed hook, line and sinker by a portion of the populace who won't/don't expend the effort to research the truth.

    Furthermore, "collaborative legislation" is what the aforementioned group fears most because it means that they will not get everything they want and will likely be precluded from creating a private playground rather than agreeing to mixed use that will benefit nearly everyone to some degree.

    At no level can I see where local government seeking input on how public lands are managed is wrong or inappropriate. Rather, to sit silently without working for such influence would be inexcusable. For the Federal Government to exclude that input borders on criminal.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    Sorry but I see quite a bit of myopia in the comments here.
    Many of you seem to want to tell a group that's bringing in millions of dollars and adding to The Prestige of Utah how they should think.
    The outdoor industry is driven by a youthful attitude. An awful lot of those young outdoorsy people are very turned off by the Bears ears issue and they are still very turned off by Proposition 8 which they blame on Utah.
    As someone who spent years attending trade shows I can tell you that when the show does not have a young attitude and cater to the younger newer visitors, it starts to lose business to competitors.
    All of us have heard the old phrase "the customer is always right" - - that idea's been perpetuated because losing customers means going out of business.
    I wonder why so many here are calling the customer wrong instead of asking why Utah could not do what was necessary to keep their business?
    Any chance that is indicative of an attitude that probably needs to change?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    All this talk about protecting our environment, does anyone ever notice the times of the OR summer and winter shows are at the worst inversion periods in Salt Lake City? The Sundance festival comes to Park City at the worst inversion period. Take a drive long 2200 west during these gatherings and note the many private jets parked. They all fly in with their high carbon footprints blasting pollution into our air, then demand we accommodate them. Where is the liberal environmentalists' out cry. Oh yea, money talks and liberal environmentalists are not going to offend their patrons.

    As far as I am concerned, Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Good-bye.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    There is a loss of money to Utah from losing the show. But the retailers are losing money also. They may find they do not make as many sells somewhere else and will be wanting to come back. The other issue is we have a lot of national parks and recreation areas. Many of our parks are past capacity, we certainly are a known place worldwide to come and experience the outdoors. It seems to me that those companies that want to sell here; should promote the state; rather than detract from it. We should give special consideration for those companies that choose to support and promote our state. Outdoor gear is useless unless you have somewhere to go to use it. Even with the loss of the show our state will still bring in a lot of money due to our unique outdoors. The companies that are part of the show will still want to sell their wares here. We should give those companies that are opposed to moving the show some perks for their support.

  • Silver Stingray St George, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    " 'It smacks of gross ingratitude to a community that has embraced the Outdoor Retailer show, subsidizing its success and expansion through direct investment — let alone extraordinary hospitality,' said Paul Edwards, the governor's deputy chief of staff."

    The gross ingratitude is on the other foot, Governor. Time to look in the mirror.

  • Fan Base Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:10 a.m.

    It's good our elected officials are standing up to the outdoor retailers bully tactics. Salt Lake City is not the backwater it used to be. Something else great will come along to replace them.

    Note to show organizers: If you want to host a show in Salt Lake with it's incredible backdrop and great accessibility, feel free but don't think that gives you license to run the place. Meanwhile, I'll make a note not to shop with North Face, Black Diamond, Patagonia and REI. Your job is to make and sell the stuff we want, nothing more.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    The governor said the people he talked to thought the rabbit ears shouldn't be protected. I suggest next time he talks to people about similar issues he ventures further than his office hallway.

    The outdoor retailer show was not holding him hostage, as the petroleum industry already has him backed into a corner. He was trying to put the best spin on it but political foibles are not always successful.

    the Uintah basin has the highest unemployment in the state, what wealth did oil and gas create there? The big companies came used locals took their profits and moved on.

    Governor you say you want to work with the outdoor show but you don't want to change your stance and work with the Feds.

    You can't always have it your way.

  • 2buyus Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    Good riddance to them.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:34 a.m.

    RE: “The Outdoor Retailer show is telling Salt Lake City to take a hike following a "curt" conference call with the governor.”

    Way to go Utah!

    That is EXACTLY the kind of thing you can expect to happen when have Republicans running your state.

    If you expect to interact with decent people outside your state, then you must REMOVE yourself from the Republican dirty deeds that most Americans find so repugnant.

    . . . Unless you WANT to lose money and opportunities for your state and your citizens.

    That's fine. Outdoor retailers can take their shows to Albuquerque.

    Utah's loss can be New Mexico's gain. New Mexico LOVES GOP leadership . . . In competing states.

    Essentially Gary Herbert and his gang have instituted a new and completely unnecessary tax on Utahans. And in return for paying that tax, Utahans get absolutely NOTHING. That is solid Trumpian thinking.

    . . . Brilliant!

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    I confess I only read about half the comments, but in those I did read I saw a complete lack of understanding for the customers of that trade show.
    I saw a number of comments saying that the attendees will be sorry that they're too far from the mountains if in Denver.
    No one said "oh goodness the people who want to attend this trade show are very interested in land preservation and we are turning them off"
    No one said "they have to move the show away from anti conservation Utah because they will be vulnerable to somebody starting a show in a more friendly place"
    There were a number of sour grapes and even snotty comments but not much understanding of the store personnel who attend shows like that and their sensibilities.
    No one wrote that the young customers in many of the shops that trade at the show and the young people that work at the manufacturers might be upset by the Bears ears issue and by the general attitude of "business first" in Utah.
    Of course I am out of state so some of you may resent my opinion, but the people who attend the show are pretty much all from out of state

  • Donwilliams sandy, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    Don't worry Utah.
    Herbert will make up the $50 Million lost
    by Raising our Taxes

  • America USA Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    There is a clear distinction between the Western Hunting & Conservation Expo and the Outdoor Retail Show affiliations. Both claim conservation, both groups depend on each other for gear and sales. However one group in particular has a very trendy and opposing agenda in the United States in this current year. Unfortunately many of the decision makers in have left views and want to score popularity votes. Colorado is fairly liberal correct?

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    @ Marxist. Thank you for pointing out the Antiquities Act. I admit that I have not studied it. However, I believe the Antiquities Act, the real purpose for it, is being misused when such a large area is taken. Would you, and others, be willing to study it and help me understand the real purpose of the Antiquities Act? I would appreciate it. I'll make the effort also. Have a great day.

    P.S. I mean this sincerely. A LITTLE bit of understanding can be a dangerous thing.

  • CitizenJ Park City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:04 a.m.

    Our elected officials could have chosen a collaborative path to solution a year ago but they didn't. Instead they stoked the anti-fed ideology and pasted it all over the press. They didn't have a critical mass of support from the native American community and the rest of us who simply don't trust their environmental intentions. It's a bit hard for folks to trust the environmental intention of a cadre of federal elected officials incapable by political definition of recognizing the scientific consensus of fossil fuel caused climate change.
    Utah doesn't have the funding to manage federal lands. The whole concept of State control of federal land is funded by the sale or leasing of a portion of those lands to commercial, including extractive industry interests.
    It's time to turn our attention to working with all stakeholders on effective management plans for our federal lands and drop the ideology driven power plays. Regardless of which political side we take power politics feels good when it works for us, not so good when it doesn't.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    Good job. The state of Utah simply does not value the outdoor recreation industry. I'm surprised your governor isn't trying to shut down Park City ski hills to bring back silver mining.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    Good for the retailers.

    Hopefully, they are just the first of many.

  • taatmk West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    I say good riddance! I can enjoy the outdoors just fine without all of the high priced items they sale. Have you seen the prices at that event? Incredible.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:47 a.m.

    So the Utah alt.right says "good riddance" to the ultra liberal outdoor retailers. Very smart move. Soon the unintended consequences will surface: bad press, Utah linked to the Trump presidency, many other conventions decide to pass on Utah, slow death of City Creek and downtown shops and restaurants. Maybe Kennecott can strip mine the rest of the valley. If people would only read their bible, they would know that you reap what you sow.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    The Republicans have been asking for this type of retribution for years of actions, legislatively and executive actions. What a shame for the people of Utah. There is no separation of powers in Utah and our President doesn't want the judicial and legislative actions to thwart his desire for power. Having lived in Germany, even in the early 1970s that type of desire of people for nationalism was still there after the 1930s and war and being thrown to the ground.

    Unrighteousness dominion and not ensuring the safety and welfare of society as a whole for citizens and those living and visiting our country.

    Utah citizens deserve more from these men. The women of Utah politics usually are Democrats and have feelings of charity, kindness and love for all of God's creations.

  • Old Cougar Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    The debate between "action" and "reaction" could go on forever.

    For me, the greater concern is the national underlying trend of what happens to America's lands.

    Historically, the process for land ownership has followed this pattern: Free Land > Indian Land > Federal Land > State Land > Private Land.

    Most recall pleasant memories when fishing, hunting, picnics or family gatherings in many public parts of Utah, only to find them now closed (no trespassing/locked/gated) to public access. This is the trend and someone needs to insure that public, accessible lands will be available for future generations. I do not think the State Legislature will do that !

    I am not opposed to those to have sufficient funds to acquire property; unfortunately, I am not able to compete in the auctions for hundreds of acres of available public land (e.g. see history of distribution of School Trust Lands).

    I hope that the splendor of Utah will always be seen and enjoyed by many eyes, not just a few.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    Truly a shame it has come to this, but our political leadership is totally out of touch with Utahns, except the under-the-rock types like Noel. Now they can concentrate of further fouling our air with polluting industries, while claiming it is cleaner than ever.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    So Utah chose oil, gas and mining, industries that will come in, take out the resources, which are finite and expendable, and then leave, with a trail of damage and destruction to the landscape. Do not trespass signs will go up. Outdoor recreation, hunting, fishing, a better and cleaner environment, are tossed. Utah's politicians have chosen self-serving special interests over the will and desires of the people.

  • essence Ivins, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    I think the governor's office spokesperson has this backward. Rather than "offensive' on the part of the outdoor industry, it's "offensive" that the state would be willing to turn its back on a group that has brought so much revenue to the area. The subsidies mentioned are a pittance to what the event brings in. Given the "subsidies" the state affords the extraction industries in Utah that pay little by way of taxes for their activities, the outdoor industry has done far more for the benefit of this state and cost the state far less. The hubris exhibited by the governor's office is what's offensive!

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    Hey Corroon, Dem's take just as money from outside of Utah for political campaigns. The cost of doing business in Colorado will go up and they will have to travel hours to get to different venues. I love it. They bit off more than they can chew.......based on another liberal hissy fit.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:24 a.m.

    Despite ones view on BENM The antiquities act is grossly misused and itself quite antiquated. Such actions should be initiated in congress.

    If the "antiquated" act is used it should be used for very limited areas. Timp Cave NM, small area is an example.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    Good for them. Utah leaders have failed SLC businesses. The majority of Utahns want the monument. The majority of Americans like public land protected.
    Utah "leaders" have no foresight. Utah leaders did this.
    Locals opposed the Grand Canyon becoming a Monument. Just like locals opposed Zion. Just like locals opposed the Tetons.
    Now, all these decades later, the parks are what brings the jobs, not digging holes in the ground and a bunch of dusty ATV trails.
    Herbert failed us on this. In 100 years from now everyone in San Juan County will be grateful for the Monument.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:11 a.m.

    @bored......if they wanted to drill, they would have already done it. It's a ruse and scare tactic by the environmentalists.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:05 a.m.


    re: "Herbert can shoulder the economic disaster that the radical rights policies have put upon this state."

    Hahaha! Utah has one of the fastest growing economies of any state in the union. That is in part because of conservative, business friendly policies that encourage entrepreneurism and growth. Most of the blue states in the union have seen their economies lag well behind the average state. The blue states cave over-and-over to the left's special interest groups, and get a high profile win here and there that hits the headlines, but quietly and persistently, states like Utah out-grow the average state. And many blue states have inequality that is growing faster than states like Utah because these liberal bastions destroy opportunity and mobility for those who need it most.

    So, no economic disaster here! I'd say governor Herbert and the good, conservative citizens of Utah have built an ever mightier economic engine. Can we improve? Sure. But I wouldn't put the liberal states and cities of this country up as examples of how to build a strong economy.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:02 a.m.

    Sorry to see them go. Years ago Utah and the Feds fought in court over Antelope island. Utah won. Utah has done a wonderful job of managing the island since. For the benefit of the environment and people's use of it. That Court decision was a win win.

    That would be possible here if both sides were willing to work together.

  • ROgden North Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:59 a.m.

    In addition to not holding the OR convention here, certainly Patagonia, REI and others should stop selling their products in Utah retail stores. They might also consider banning the use of their clothing and equipment in the Utah outdoors--they, of course, wouldn't want their name blemished by that kind of association with the State of Utah, would they?

  • RBC Cody, WY
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:55 a.m.

    Folks are blaming the Outdoor Retail Show for somehow being a bully in this fiasco, or otherwise demanding their way on the public lands issue. A short history lesson will help explain why their opinions represent much more than just a few business men.

    People need to google the Utah Statehood Act and read it. At statehood Utah agreed to a number of items, in return for being allowed to become a state with full representation in congress. In section 3 of that enabling act you will see this... " the people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries thereof; "

    Other portions of the act state that Congress will grant Utah their own state lands, which congress did. Much of that land has long since been sold to private interests.

    So, Utah took the lands congress gave them at statehood, but now wants the rest of the land that the enabling act--which Utah agreed to-- specifically says they cannot have. That is land that belongs to all Americans, not just Utah residents. If someone demands you give them your land...what would you tell them?

  • Snack Pack Lehi, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:48 a.m.

    Kiss the outdoor demo day goodbye. No city in the US that is close to the mountain has the hotel infrastructure. If you move to Denver, then you are in a metropolitan city, no where near the outdoors. Salt Lake should attract the SHOT Show. Hook & bullet retailers like Cabelas and Bass Pro are much closer politically than the OR retailers like REI anyway. Kiss of death for a declining OR show.

  • liberal larry Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:40 a.m.

    It's going to take some time, but our legislators are going to realize that the future lies in clean air, wilderness, and Utah's intellectual capital.

    The lottery mentality, extractive industries benefit a few people for a few years, but leave the locals with the lost jobs, and a spoiled environment when they leave town. Just look at the mess that "coal country" is in!

    Come on governor, look to the future and help define the coming world, don't look in the rear view mirror of fossil fuels and mining.

  • Hubble65 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    First off, like it or not, these are not Utah land's. These lands are owned by the Federal Government and that means they are owned by each citizen of these United States of America.

    Second, the land that has been made into National Monuments here were done legally under an act approved by Congress giving the President the right to do so. The monuments are not going to be undone and it is futile to think that will happen. The current President, doing the same with past Presidents is not going to surrender power back to the states on Federal land. He stated so in the campaign, after being elected and now. President Trump and his interior secretary, Ryan Zinke both oppose the transfer of Federal land back to the states. It just isn't going to happen and part of that is the President's plan for opening up Federal Land for coal mining as part of his energy policy.

    So in reality Gov. Herbert and allies have moved one of the largest money making conferences out of the state, probably to either Denver, perhaps Portland, maybe Boise, and cost the lost of taxable income over an issue they will lose anyway. Not smart.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    @Open Dialog. You hit the nail on the head! Easy for Colorado to make their claims considering they have almost half of the skin in the game that Utah has? Fake news. I say, let the Feds run their entire state. Plus the OR show is more in line with marijuana laws in Colorado.

    From reading articles about, for example Zions NP, it has become over crowded. So the facts on the ground don't support any 'chicken little' prediction.

    Glad the governor is looking out for the wishes of the citizens of Utah. It's all optics to these tree huggers. I'll wager any of them that no power plant will be built at Bear Ears. If there was ever a time to build such a plant, it would have been done years ago. But that's always the straw man elephant for these environmentalists.

    BTW, i just put my REI card through the shredder this morning. There are other options that are just as good for less money!

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    To Sehen:

    re: "Carman", because of people like you and news like this, Colorado started immediately feeling a better place for the next exhibition"

    Sometimes sacrifice and even war is necessary to maintain freedom. Those who cave at every extortion attempt will be extorted over and over. Colorado may opportunistically take advantage of the Outdoor Retailers boorish and uncivilized behavior, but it will ultimately hurt the average citizen of that state. I for one am willing to fight wrong, even if it requires personal and collective sacrifice.

  • BYU Sports Nut Heber City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:31 a.m.

    So I own products from many of these brands.
    I will take them to DI and purchase different brands.
    How short sited the outdoor retailers must be to think that taking their little private conference out of Utah is going to do anything to protect public lands. Who do they think they are.
    I think Utah should promote it's own show, bring in it's own vendors, and really make it hurt. These types of shows are a dying breed anyway.
    You had it good in Utah. Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:28 a.m.

    I would love to see an 'honest' poll of how Utah's citizen really feel on this.

    I know the locals near Bears Ear want to drill and destroy, as well as our leaders,

    But as a citizen who enjoys the outdoors, I'm in favor of any and all preservation efforts!

    I wish the Governor valued my opinion.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:26 a.m.

    I love the comments about people saying the polls are wrong, because among their like minded friends they have a different opinion. Imagine that, like minded people who think alike.... surely that is evidence that almost everyone has the same opinion.

    And what happened to being anti-politically correct. There seems to be a lot of sour grapes here. This is free speech by those that run this show in its most purist form. They highlighted Utah by putting their show in Salt Lake, bringing thousands of people to the state to see what the state had to offer. When the state decided to take a stand that was not in concert with the objectives of the show, they choose to move it somewhere that did match those values/objectives.

    North Carolina recently has a lot of experience with this recently... the NBA's all stare game was supposed to be here this year. New Orleans now gets to have that revenue. Utahan's saying they just don't care - really shows they don't see the big picture. Will it kill Utah's economy? Of course not. Will it have an economic impact. Yep. Enough for the average Utahan to notice... probably not.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:20 a.m.

    @UtahloverfromIdaho makes an astute point - what if Bears Ears NM is *not* rescinded, or the Supreme Court overturns a Trump decision to reverse Obama's decision?

    Then Utah is left abandoned, stuck with a stance that is widely unpopular with people outside Utah... the kind of people who might want to visit Utah.

    Utah is getting a lot of the *wrong* kind of notoriety in how our politicians are hostile to the land owned by all Americans within our state.

    The first rule of business is to not offend customers.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:14 a.m.

    oaklandaforlife writes,

    "I bet the SLC Downtown Alliance is simply ecstatic after hearing this news. Over 50 million dollars in lost revenue annually for the State of Utah won't be missed at all. I'm confident our elected officials have a sound plan in place to make up the loss".

    Don't worry. They'll cut it from the education budget. Certain readers keep saying there are too many administrators already, and too much waste and fluff. They assure us that they know what they're talking about, so the cuts will be painless.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:09 a.m.

    @kralon wrote, "Now it is all about hit and run which seems more along the lines of cowardly or bullying than gentle, loving persuasion (which actually works)."

    Gentle, loving persuasion didn't do much for those black kids that just wanted to sit at the lunch counter.

    Or for the 120,000 people of Japanese descent who were "relocated" in 1942.

    As long as politicians are beholden to the money from their big bucks donors, it will never work.


  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:01 a.m.

    Here's your Top Thirty Boycott List of overpriced outdoor fashion clothing and equipment!

    Black Diamond Equipment
    The North Face Group
    SCARPA North America, Inc.
    Kelty, Sierra Designs, Ultimate Direction
    Ibex Outdoor Clothing
    Rossignol North America
    Outdoor Research
    Kahtoola, Inc.
    Petzl America
    Osprey Packs
    Gregory Mountain Products
    Big Agnes
    La Sportiva North America
    Katadyn North America
    Mountain Hub
    Metolius Climbing
    Arc’teryx Equipment
    Specialized Bicycle Components
    Salewa/Dynafit North America

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:52 a.m.

    @byufootballrocks wrote, "So you want to put your finger in the eye of the Governor? .... it's the little guys in Utah that end up injured, and that's not right."

    You have the participants backwards, but welcome to the long-term effect on the "little guy" that the last 35 years of GOP "leaders" have wrought.

    The "little guys" have gotten hurt because the economy is shifting away from fossil fuels, especially coal.

    If you want to see a state where the extraction industries have ruled, take a look at West Virginia. Mountaintops sliced off, wells poisoned, older men dying of mining-related ailments and younger men out of work. And a horrific rate of drug use. It was a truly beautiful state. The fat cats destroyed it and moved on.

    Governor Herbert, you were on the wrong side of history when you fought Judge Shelby's decision. You're on the wrong side now. The decision to sign a blank check to move the prison so your friends can make megabucks on land development will come back to haunt you. The Bears Ears resolution is just the icing on the cake.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:44 a.m.

    Black Diamond and its "supporters " should now demand that Colorado give equal amount of land to the federal government to be fair. They have about 45% federal land and we have 70%.

    I mean, they should be "fair" and have an equal playing field shouldn't they? We'all all be waiting for all of those land loving enthusiasts in Colorado to give 25% more of their land to the federal government.

  • kreese Ivins, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:39 a.m.

    I remember visiting my brother in Wyoming quite a few years ago. There was a lot of talk about "locking up" land there too. Seems that many of these folks were from Colorado, folks that had moved to that state from the East. Then I drove I-70 through Colorado...noticed all of the ski slopes carved into those beautiful mountains...enjoyed by those same folks who wanted to "lock up" parts of Wyoming. It seems what the "local" folks in those areas don't count for much.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:37 a.m.

    @DN Subsciber,

    "So, a handful out of more than a thousand brands at the outdoor show shout "Give in to my left wing political agenda or I will take my business elsewhere!""

    If treasuring our public lands, keeping them public and free from development, and preserving them just as they are so my kids and their kids can enjoy them is a liberal left wing political agenda, then count me in.

    The sad thing is I am conservative in most political areas, but the GOP's constant fight against our public lands and the environment has forced me to reconsider voting for them. But hey the GOP's platform says this is our values, so we better fall into lock step, we better not deviate one iota from them. Never mind that the majority of the population shares some values with both the left and the right.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:32 a.m.

    @Fitz wrote, "As for the OR, let them go. Someone else will come along to take there place at the Salt Palace for new conventions."

    That's the same thing that the North Carolina anti-LGBT legislators said when the deluge of convention cancellations started the day after the "bathroom bill" was passed.

    The "someone elses" haven't come along yet...

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:32 a.m.

    Salt Lake really was the perfect location for this show. Other states have just as much or more beautiful public land, but no other state has so much quality land within such a close distance to a large metropolis.

    That said it makes no sense for the OR to stay in a state that is so hostile to the very idea of public lands, the states efforts to seize control of Federally owned land is against the very nature of what most of these companies, and the people who buy their products believe in. I fully support their decision to leave and hope they find a great venue for their future shows.

  • armchairQBonthehill Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:25 a.m.

    I usually only comment on the article, but the comment by "UtahloverinIdaho" merits a response. Classically, the post uses out of context information saying "the vast majority of Americans, including Utahns overwhelming support the protection of public lands" which is MAY be substantiated in some national "push polls", but is certainly far from the truth in polls that ask about Utahns support of "executive order" to establish a national monument (a.k.a Bears Ears or any other monument in Utah for that matter). In those polls, the vast majority of Utahns are very much opposed to this approach to protecting public lands - and this includes Utahns in San Juan County! The legislature and the Gov's office have stated from the beginning they would welcome additional "protection of public lands" via a consensus-built congressional action. However, no one in DC has been listening and once again, this is a case of one side using its bully-pulpit (executive order by the POTUS) to exert its influence on the state of Utah. Purely political action - - clearly supported by many in the outdoor retail industry.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:25 a.m.

    Now that we're no longer being held hostage by the Outdoor Retailer hippocrites, we should ALL write to our President and strongly urge him to reverse both Obama's Ears Monument and the Grand Staircase Monuments.

    The monument designation SHOULD have gone through Congress - NOT the very outdated Antiquities Act.

    At this point - why not urge this POTUS to reverse the monument designations?

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 5:56 a.m.

    We're not hearing the whole story. I would bet the retail was trying to leverage more subsidies and deals from the state, which would make it not worthwhile to the state. Let's see do we protect an industry that uses our state as their own personal playground where they leave trash and destroy the natural beauty or do we as a state maintain control over our own lands. Just because these people privatized all of the Eastern states, doesn't mean we have to be their recreation state.

    Also, non of their money helped our public schools. Which is why we have state lands that help fund our education. We have democrats that scream we're not spending enough per child, yet they refuse to allow us to generate money for the schools. Out of our whole state 70% of it is controlled by the feds. Imagine what we could do if we had all of the revenue that our state can produce and invest that into ourselves and our children.

    So don't let the door hit you on the way out. Along with your cheap junk made in China.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 5:45 a.m.

    scrappy do - DRAPER, UT, you said that the State should never subscribe to corporate blackmail? Right, so why don't you check where the money comes from that supports the GOP leadership in this state. It happens to be the worst form of Corporate blackmail. The GOP and Herbert are beholding to those donations from the extraction industries, Koch Brothers and others. Oh yeah those are corporations too. Hummm, that type of Corporate blackmail against the wishes of the majority of Utah citizens is the worst kind.

    Herbert can shoulder the economic disaster that the radical rights policies have put upon this state. All the good will of the Olympics and our State's tourism was put at risk by the GOP for their pursuit of their donors wishes. The Outdoor Retailers is something this state will miss. The owners of hotels and small businesses will be hurt. And you wonder about Corporate influence? The worst kind exists in the GOP today. Wonder why Evans doesn't want town halls? Utah citizens are not putting up with this anymore.

  • Open Dialog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 5:39 a.m.

    The outdoor retailers are following suit with other groups who have lost their way. The art of negotiation has been lost because the new tool being used is threat, blackmail or boycotting. You'll end up hurting the small companies but then that may be what the larger retailer companies want. Let me just add that what OR sees as power in unity, has just become no influence. Sad but true.

    Utah has 70% of its total acreage as public land. Colorado is 39% of their total acreage. That ranks Utah 3rd in the US and yes siginificantly ahead of Colorado which OR claims has such pro policies for public land. Well they don't have much skin in the game or about half of Utah's percentage. What does OR want or expect of Utah? 100%? Maybe the big outspoken retailers or the OR Director have others motives...

  • Max Upstate, NY
    Feb. 17, 2017 5:34 a.m.

    Waaaah. Do it OUR way or we are taking our ball and leaving Waaaah.

    Good for Utah for standing up to these crybullies.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 4:51 a.m.

    "Salt Lake City has been hospitable to Outdoor Retailer and our industry for the past 20 years, but we are in lockstep with the outdoor community and are working on finding our new home,” said Marisa Nicholson, show director for Outdoor Retailer.

    LOCKSTEP is the key word...or gang mentality...or political agenda...or blackmail...

    I hope OR finds a good home elsewhere where they can march together with the like-minded. The "Ears" gave them an excuse to move, and that's fine.

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 3:44 a.m.

    Hostage taking is not a good thing. Good bye and good riddance.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Feb. 17, 2017 2:58 a.m.

    "It is clear that the governor indeed has a different perspective on the protections of public lands from that of our members and the majority of Western state voters, both Republicans and Democrats — that’s bad for our American heritage, and it’s bad for our businesses."

    It is good for our American Heritage not bad.

    Everyone remembers Patrick Henry who said "Give me liberty or give me death." He said it in the context of Virginia plantation owners (yes, slaveowners) who argued that the idea of liberty and independence from Great Britain would be bad for business.

    So basically, if the Outdoors Retailers are waving a stick at the governor of Utah for him to neglect the depressed economic times his constituents are suffering in southern Utah (the wonderful economic benefits of national monuments have not materialized as well as SUWA promised in the 1990's). It is insulting. Their approach basically implied that he would forego the rights of Utah to control their fate in return for economics, political popularity.

    Bribery is the ultimate insult.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:21 a.m.

    @ Spangs - Salt Lake City, UT - I suggest you take a trip to Escalante, Boulder, Tropic or any other town in Garfield or Kane County and ask those who've been there more than 5 years how the EGSNM economic boom is going.

    You are accurate that minimum wage tourism jobs are increasing but jobs that provide a living wage are not and have in fact declined. Increased real estate values bring no benefit to locals unless they sell.

    It's easy to look at it from SLC and assume that more tourists and wealthy move-ins are a positive thing. Reality for locals impacted by the EGSNM indicate otherwise.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:01 a.m.

    OR tried economic terrorism and it failed. Economic terrorism in the sense that they opened a "jihad" with a myopic and inaccurate view based on completely erroneous information. They adopted a take-no-prisoners approach and refused to look at anything resembling accurate facts. Utah became the figurative "great satan of the west" and annihilation became the only acceptable creed.

    Utah overall actually has a pretty good record for protecting public lands and providing multi-use access. Wilderness areas are plentiful. Other protected areas are also plentiful but allow multiple uses. What the state does not do, is kowtow to special interest groups and federal bureaucrats that want to create private playgrounds for coastal elites that limit access and use to only the relative few who want to backpack or hike wilderness.

    Certainly Utah will lose out on the economic benefit of the OR show but I, for one, will not miss being held hostage.

    I hope they enjoy Las Vegas (very scenic and outdoorsy) or Denver (where OR attendees will travel twice as far for recreation areas).

    Utah is and remains a gem and certainly those that attend the OR show will lose too.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:31 p.m.

    A couple of issues not many are considering:

    What about the land now locked up within the Bears Ears NM that belongs to the state of UT?

    What about the increased number of people a NM will bring?
    Moab and surrounding area changed very little for over 100 years, yes there are some scars from mining, but by far the biggest negative impact on the environment of Moab and the surrounding area has been the influx of too many people.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:28 p.m.

    Another foolish choice by the governor and the state legislature. Throwing away millions of dollars to take one more swipe at Obama. No wonder we don't have money for education or health care when they throw away money to show Washington who's boss.

  • Bearone Monroe, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:27 p.m.

    Don't let the barn door hit you on the way out. You can take your outdoor show to some other state that will fold under to your every little whim. I am sure there are places that don't care whether the federal officials step on them or not. They will gladly take your money.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:09 p.m.

    I am sad to see it go. At one time Utah was known for it's great outdoors. Those days are gone, first the fishing ban, now the outdoor show.

  • UtahloverfromIdaho Ketchum, ID
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:36 p.m.

    This is a bad move by the Utah political establishment because the monument will not be rescinded. All of congress understands that a large majority of Americans, including Utahns, overwhelmingly support protection of public lands. Unfortunately, it is the same old song and dance from Herbert, Bishop, Chaffetz, and Co.. whose PLI proposal is nothing but a wish list for big oil and big coal that will produce short-term profits and leave nothing but an environmental mess for future generations. Hopefully, they will get booted out of office someday and replaced by politicians who have more vision and leadership.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    That's funny LDS Liberal.

    You knock and insult Utah, and imply we are a 'hick' state--And yet you live here. :)

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    I hate bullies as much as I hate stupidity.......but I will keep my comments fixed on our publicly elected officials. The electorate "message" sent by Utah to Washington DC is regrettable. Nothing at all will change for anyone, except that the state's most lucrative convention leaves. Congratulations to our elected officials for their might for political blustering.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:45 p.m.

    Take your tree hugging ways and leave

    The state should never succumb to corporate blackmail

  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:44 p.m.

    History lesson. As recently as 1847 these areas were empty because of lack of year around potable water. In come the saints and irrigate and settle. The natives could not hunt live or even bury without water. utah was barren and empty. So along came Edmunds Tucker on the railroad and seized the land back from the saints. Now Utah is among the most urban states because Federal lands slow development. G rowth is on the Wasatch front. Return the land from Edmunds Tucker!!!

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:42 p.m.

    Hey Black Diamond, I am LOVING my Leki trekking poles!

    I was going to go with the home town company and get my poles from you.

    But you decided to bite the hand that feeds you (that would be us.....remember us??Utah? You know, that place that has provided you and your company with such a great quality of life???)

    So I decided to give my business to Leki instead.

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:40 p.m.

    I bet the SLC Downtown Alliance is simply ecstatic after hearing this news. Over 50 million dollars in lost revenue annually for the State of Utah won't be missed at all. I'm confident our elected officials have a sound plan in place to make up the loss.

  • No Monument Monticello, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:38 p.m.

    I love the outdoors. I love outdoor gear. I love the Bears Ears (and the other 1.3 million acres lumped into the National Monumen); and I say good riddance!

  • migraine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:34 p.m.

    Way to go, guv'nr and Utah legislators - your constant tilting at windmills, with pointless lawsuits trying to get control of federal lands, and with pointless opposition to a national monument in a part of the state you never visit (but where out of state tourists might start showing up, if we rolled out a welcome mat instead), now has actual consequences, measurable in $$ - you just lost us hundreds of millions of actual dollars here in SLC over the next few years.

    Chasing off actual dollars for the sake of pointless escapades in search of money that will never materialize hardly seems like a "business-friendly" state policy...

  • KSC Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:27 p.m.

    I have been both an exhibitor and an attendee at Outdoor Retailers for almost 20 years.
    When they leave SLC I will cease to exhibit or attend.

    It is OK to have personal political beliefs, however when you decide to use your company as a weapon, to enforce your "no compromise" viewpoint, you cross the line into tyranny and bigotry.

    Like any self-absorbed entity, O.R. thought that everyone thinks like they do. Now Outdoor Retailer is seeing the division in their membership and are asking for unity. (

    They failed to realize that Outdoor Recreation doesn't always mean rock climbing and back packing. To many of us it also includes ATV, UTV, fishing, hunting, and boating. In recent years I have seen one sign more than any other: CLOSED.
    Aren’t Public Lands supposed to be open to all, for all interests, not just to those trust-fund-children who cannot bear the thought of having to see or hear another human when they are enjoying the outdoors?

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:23 p.m.

    People are always complaining about how politicians are controlled by special interest groups. Now, when our politicians refuse to give in to a special interest group they are criticized for their integrity. Telling the people of Southern Utah to shut up and enjoy their mostly-low-paying tourism jobs is the height of arrogance. The money coming in to our economy from the show will be missed but the people in rural Utah have had their livelihoods undermined by the federal government.

    The OR show people had their bluff called. They knew all along that Salt Lake is the Right Place for demonstrating their wares. Good luck replacing this prime venue.

    There is a lot of disinformation going on about the "monuments." If the size of either of the monuments is reduced it doesn't put that extra land under Utah state control. It was federally controlled before and would return to the BLM and/or Forest Service.

  • Sehen Finland, 00
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:16 p.m.

    "Carman", because of people like you and news like this, Colorado started immediately feeling a better place for the next exhibition, next skiing trip, next hike. Or good old Oregon. Utah brand damaged, seriously. It's sad that you redcaps couldn't see the big picture. Money goes where it wants to go and you can say goodbye to it from your rustying pickup truck. I keep biking to work...

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:14 p.m.

    Goodriddance! I won't miss them one iota.

    Feb. 16, 2017 8:57 p.m.

    Good times for all! I don't live in Utah anymore, yet I travel there often for outdoor recreation which is generally much better than here in California (except for the beach/ocean recreation), less expensive and less crowded. I have long boycotted several of the biggest outdoor retailers over their labor policies and their over-priced, over-hyped goods (looking straight at you Patagonia!).

    The great thing about Utah is there are many locations you can live where you can get to very diverse, wonderfully scenic areas in just a few hours. Went to Boulder, Canada, Europe and Asia but came back. While I may live in California for work and some play I still maintain a place in Utah. If I could only work and live in one state it would be Utah.

    Too bad the Outdoor Retailers decided to cut and run rather than continue to stand up for their "values". Civil, long-suffering discourse seems to be a lost art. Now it is all about hit and run which seems more along the lines of cowardly or bullying than gentle, loving persuasion (which actually works).

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:52 p.m.

    I am surprised to discover that most of the people with whom I have talked, who oppose the Bears Ears Monument, believe that Obama’s designation TOOK lands away from Utah and gave it to the Federal Government.

    They didn't realize that all that land was ALREADY owned by the Federal Government. Those lands never belonged to Utah. Ever.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:46 p.m.

    These outsiders who try to bully Utah residents into giving away control of our land to Washington bureaucrats, most of which have never set foot on this land, will only hurt themselves with this obnoxious behavior.

    I for one used to be a patagonia fan, but no more. I will be spending my $$$ on retailers who respect Utah citizens and their right to regulate our own land. My money will be spent on Eddie Bauer, Lands End and others who understand that respect sometimes means disagreeing on an issue, not taking your ball and going home. No more patagonia for me.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:25 p.m.

    Sounds like an opportunity for another outdoor retail group to come in and capture the market here!

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:11 p.m.

    Majority of Utahns wanted the monument, our leaders tried to tell us different, now we have to pay the price for their misguided priorities.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:57 p.m.

    @water rocket "The comments saying that "most" utahns favor the Bears Ears Monument must be talking about themselves and the three mice in their pockets,..."

    Well consider the portion of the retail market these firms sell to. They sell their products to city folk for the most part, city folk who desperately want to get out of the city periodically and have access to ungated nature. I am an example. I know perfectly well the drive for state control of now federal lands is their sale to private interests for development, excluding people like me forever.

    These retailers know their market and they have acted appropriately.

  • blackattack Orem, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    I don't trust our Utah government officials to protect the land. I think they will give it to the highest bidder which will be detrimental to the unique landmarks that we have here. Environmental protections for land, air, and animals have been very low on their priority lists (not saying I disagree with every decision made).

    I do agree with those who say we may be better off without OR here. Our parks are crowded at record-high levels--it would be nice to have fewer visitors.

  • Jim Cobabe Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:52 p.m.

    I am rather enjoying the notion that retail merchants have more to offer outdoor enthusiasts than the outdoors. A tiny little tail seems to think it is wagging the dog. I am sure more than a few will miss them and the absurdly extravagant "outdoor" shows. No doubt millions who flock here from all over the earth will now abandon visiting Utah mountains and deserts because the two-day retail show petulantly moves to another venue.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:51 p.m.

    Utah - Kentucky

    I see a pattern

    Lowest in Education
    Lowest in Environmentalism
    Lowest in Earnings

    Outdoor Retailers [and their $1 Billion annual spending] will do better in Denver...

    Gas and Oil will NEVER give Utah back that much annually.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:48 p.m.

    @Woodworker "Designating the Bear's Ears area to now be under Federal control by Executive Order and not by going through the proper channels is ILLEGAL"

    It was perfectly legal as per the Antiquities Act. And you know the issue isn't just Bears Ears. This state is hostile to nature lovers, small game hunters, and fishermen. As for the latter the state supports blocking access to streams. My sport, creek fishing, has practically disappeared thanks to this state's ideology. I say: good for the retailers, Utah has had it coming for years.

  • Hank Jr Deer Ridge, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:48 p.m.

    Good riddance.

    The Outdoor Retailers need us more than we need them.

    Utah doesn't approve of Bully Tactics and just let them try to find a better place for their show.

    I seriously doubt they will.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:45 p.m.

    So Herbert ended up saying we want the Bears Ears protected, we just didn't want Obama issuing the protection.

    That's beyond cute and it's beyond stupid. Sometimes GOP ideology and dogma has real-life implications. This is one example and it's a horrendous example. Maybe Herbert can land a fracking convention. That'll do wonders for this state's reputation.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:31 p.m.

    First of all those saying "Most Utahns" or two thirds of us lets see some honest proof. I like the Gov sticking to his guns and not being hostage. If he gave them what they want there would be a lineup of companys to hold him hostage again. There is a old song "Got along with out ya before I met ya gonna get along without you now..

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:27 p.m.

    I am writing to express my disappointment with the outdoor retailers' decision. Here is one reason why. Designating the Bear's Ears area to now be under Federal control by Executive Order and not by going through the proper channels is ILLEGAL. Whether it will benefit or not benefit the people of Utah is not the question. It is HOW it was done. When the 13 Colonies were upset with the British Empire over taxation for the costs of the French & Indian War, it wasn't that they had to help with the cost. It was HOW the tax was forced upon them without our their representation. And, as is common knowledge, this is not the first time Washington has done this to our state. I believe it is the responsibility of the governor to fight this illegal and unfair act. I don't care if a conservative or liberal president did it; that's not the question.
    Retailers, please remember history and the laws of our land when making your final decisions. Thank you.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:22 p.m.

    Very glad to see them go and I hope they never return to the state of Utah. Most of us that live here are concerned about sound environmental issues, but folks like the outdoor retailers see only one side of an issue. With them leaving and others like them, there will less pressure on our state lands, parks, and monuments which will be a great thing. We are attracting too many people who want to control the good citizens here, and the decision making process in this state. It is high time we show them the exit. We will continue to enjoy our own beauty here, and it will be a little less crowded.

  • dpal Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:17 p.m.

    It's amazing how many business decisions nowadays are made for political reasons rather than economic ones. Utah will survive just fine without a bunch of liberal businessmen trying to force our government officials to cave to their demands.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:59 p.m.

    I am waiting for a comment from the Southern Utah legislative leaders on the decision of the Out door retailers decision to leave Utah.
    I guess out political leaders under estimated the outdoor retailers determination.

  • Wyomex Burlington, WY
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:57 p.m.

    OR, don't let the mountains, majestic views and conservation ethic (just a different perspective) hit you in the backside when you leave Utah.

    You'll certainly be welcomed back when bullies quit running the show.

  • Jefferson, Thomas Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:46 p.m.

    Oh grateful. They threaten to blackmail every other year or so. They can take their blackmail cash and threaten another state for awhile. Weve being doing just fine long before they showed up or the dems started making monuments to themselves. Never having even spent a day here and then calling it protecting public land. A total joke for jokers who believe such

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:45 p.m.

    Black Diamond has an ego problem.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:45 p.m.

    These people do not care about the State of Utah. They wouldn't mind at all if the entire state was owned and controlled by the Federal Government. Governor Herbert is wise not to cave in to their demands.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:43 p.m.

    The comments saying that "most" utahns favor the Bears Ears Monument must be talking about themselves and the three mice in their pockets, because if this were put to a vote, I am very confident "most" Utahns would prefer to make these decisions themselves, without the feds cramming it down our throats.

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:43 p.m.

    So the Outdoor Retailers Show ends a 20-year co-productive business relationship over a political issue?

    It's not only dumb, it's insulting to the state of Utah and juvenile.

    If you have political ambitions, go into politics. This is retailing, and a lot of ordinary folks in business here get hurt - because somebody wants them to hurt - because of an issue over which the average person has little control.

    So you want to put your finger in the eye of the Governor? Well, it's ends up more like the gang that can't shoot straight, because it's the little guys in Utah that end up injured, and that's not right.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:40 p.m.

    I'm not really for or against the monument. I was against it when it was just ginormous. It is still ginormous but not as ginormous as proposed which just seemed like a total land grab and if you looked at the maps of what was left after canyon lands then bears ears snuggled up to it, there just wasn't much land left for the citizens of that part of the state to ekk out a living.

    That said, let them leave just like Facebook. Utah is thriving and it will be their loss. Political blackmail can't be tolerated.

    They will be fine without us and we will be fine without them.

    Se la vi

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:37 p.m.

    You know, the parks in Utah have been getting a bit crowded. Maybe it's good they're leaving. Hopefully, the Outdoor Retailers will stop encouraging people to come visit as well. We'll be fine. We'll take care of things, plenty of people will come visit anyway. Probably a good time for a divorce.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:37 p.m.

    15 years from now Utah will look back at today and wish on a bright star Gov. Herbert and this Legislature had been smart enough not to pick an unwinnable fight with the Antiquities act and lose one of the greatest economic boons to our state in the process.


  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:32 p.m.

    Whether the show stays or goes, lets not pretend the state wants to keep these lands public if they gained control.

    Managing land is expensive and I can not see how a state filled with legislators who are jealous of the states with nearly zero public lands would pursue a state public land agenda.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:31 p.m.

    @ JHP wrote:

    "I thought the Democratic Party was for the "little guy"? How about the little guys in San Juan County? "

    The area near Grand Staircase is booming. Real estate prices and the pace of development are insane. What is different is the type of economic activity. Folks who liked their logging job are seeing fewer of them, but the number of jobs in the service/tourism industries are booming.

    This battle is not really about economics. It's about a changing world and the folks who are seeing their little towns changing. . . and a deep-seated hate for anything that includes the word "federal."

  • banliberals SLC, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:31 p.m.

    I don't know anyone who supports bears ears......even my Obama ears friends don't like the fed taking land from the people who live here! If taking 80% is a good idea?..... then mandate it across the entire country and in every state including D.C.!
    And if you are opposed to bears ears and want to relocate to Utah? we welcome you......if not take Black Diamond with you and leave our state!

  • MacMama Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:06 p.m.

    Let the Outdoor Retail show move to Denver. Denver is at least an hour away from the mountains and even further from the aki resorts. This is bullying in my opinion and Herbert should call their bluff.
    I don't know anyone in favor of the Monument. This is too much like Clinton announcing the monument in Escalante- from the rim of the Grnad Canyon. Ask the people who live near these monuments how they feel about it. Decisions that affect our state should not be made by those in Washington who have never even been here.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:47 p.m.

    If you are looking to locate your business here in Utah, I would take a long, hard look at this.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:36 p.m.

    Re: "Again, my job is to reflect the desires and the will of the people in Utah." --Gov. Herbert

    Really? Most Utahns favor legalization of medical marijuana, not moving the state prison, accepting increased federal Medicaid funding, getting rid of the Zion Curtain, etc. The governor's actions on those issues say he is not reflecting the desires and will of the people.

  • CyCarloUte slc, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    This is another instance Herbert is spending money and effort for something that will not be overturned. He is pro business, but this an inane stand on this monument. Is Herbert too pro business and in bed with big oil, or just anti federal government?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 3:46 p.m.

    It seems Gov. Herbert has had a serious case of Obama Derangement Syndrome but after seeing $856 million potentially leaving the state the symptoms are starting to wane.

    If we left Bears Ears to Congress Gov. Herbert, they would vote to make it the permanent site of the National ATV Off-Road Championships. A priceless pillaged Paiute pottery bowl would be awarded to the winner.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Feb. 16, 2017 3:23 p.m.

    The survey, commissioned by The Pew Charitable Trusts, finds 55 percent of Utahns support the idea of protecting Bears Ears in southeastern Utah with a national monument designation. Some 41 percent oppose such a move.


    55% was back in Dec. 2016 --that number has increased by another 10% since the Monument was declared.

    Fitz -- Your talking to most folks is not an accurate poll.

    Fitz - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:06 p.m.

    airnaut - Everett, 00 - your 2/3 thing of Utahns wanting the monument is interesting. I have not yet talked to anyone who wants Bear Ears to stay a monument. The polls I have seen were not well written and were worded in a bias form. (polls have significantly changed over the last 15020 years were today they are not reliable.)

    it is curious to see your data on the 2/3 thing. From my perspective it is more like 80%+ want the monument gone and Grand Staircase significantly reduced in size.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:12 p.m.

    So, a handful out of more than a thousand brands at the outdoor show shout "Give in to my left wing political agenda or I will take my business elsewhere!"

    How about if our governor tells them to take their agenda anywhere they want, but their business is welcome here.

    If they need any suggestions about where to put their agenda, I can tell them, even if the Governor will not.

  • JHP Henderson, NV
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:11 p.m.

    "Economic development" is not the end all be all of everything. It is only one concern among many. No one interest group should have this much influence on an entire state government.

  • Fitz Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:06 p.m.

    airnaut - Everett, 00 - your 2/3 thing of Utahns wanting the monument is interesting. I have not yet talked to anyone who wants Bear Ears to stay a monument. The polls I have seen were not well written and were worded in a bias form. (polls have significantly changed over the last 15020 years were today they are not reliable.)

    it is curious to see your data on the 2/3 thing. From my perspective it is more like 80%+ want the monument gone and Grand Staircase significantly reduced in size.

    As for the OR, let them go. Someone else will come along to take there place at the Salt Palace for new conventions.

  • Chancey Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    I thought the Democratic Party was for the "little guy"? How about the little guys in San Juan County? In their category, aren't Patagonia and Black Diamond fairly large corporations? I hope our leaders will remember who they represent.

  • rdean92 Los Angeles, CA
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:22 p.m.

    Everything with the Republican's is repeal and replace. Even if it is good. Simply because they didn't come up with it. That's the only reason.

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    Thanks for abandoning the people of southern Utah for the sake of the almighty dollar. This land was already protected and owned by the Federal Government the monument is all about control. Now it is tied up and roads can be closed areas cut off without any explanation or public input by the people who use these lands. Maybe we should have voted for Jonathan Johnson.

  • Summit Park City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    This should not be strictly a financial decision. The Governor should listen to the people of Utah and fulfill their desires. Blackmail from "some" Utah Outdoor Retailers has no place. However, if the Governor can satisfy the desires of the people of Utah and at the same time placate special interest groups like outdoor retailers, then all the better.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    Oh the irony Governor.
    "Herbert said his preference is to have land in San Juan County protected through action by Congress. He said the issue can be resolved "in the best interests of everyone" with action by a new president and Congress."
    Those were almost the exact words Obama used 4 years ago when discussing it with Bishop and yourself. Let's be honest, our congressional leaders failed, so Obama did what they could not. Bishop and Chaffetz failed the citizens of San Juan, the coalition of Indian tribes, Utahans, and Americans. And yours and our GOP leaders response was to persecute Obama for protecting almost the same acreage called for protection in the PLI. The political hypocrisy is sickening.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    Ummm, let's see...

    2/3 of Utahans WANT the monument,
    the Outdoor Sporting Industry also supports it,

    only the gas and oil companies don't want it.

    What's a politician to do?....