This is the most divisive time in my 68 year old history of our country and
perhaps even more.Our government is over flowing with left overs
from the Obama Regime that need to be reeled in.There are stiff
penalties in place for such offenders and when caught, they should be prosecuted
to the fullest extent of the law.I believe the word of the day is
When will our leaders start thinking about what is good for the country instead
of what's good for their party.If Russia is influencing our
politics, Republicans and Democrats both lose.
There is a difference between political objectives and unethical (illegal?)
behaviors. I want comprehensive immigration reform that favors Dreamers; someone
else wants mass deportation. I want community policing; another person wants to
crack down on protestors (not rioters); I want social safety nets, including
medical care and Social Security; others have more of an Ayn Rand approach. And
so it goes. "Good" work or "bad" work is subjective, depending
on whether politicians are checking our particular boxes. Choices for cabinet
and White House posts, and indeed for elected office, are either great or
terrible, depending on whether we believe a given individual will mirror our
concerns. All of that is politics as usual. However, today we have unprecedented
efforts to sway the public mind through lies, innuendo, manipulation, and
spin-doctoring. CNN, for example, plays whole speeches and selected statements
by Trump. Commenters talk all day and night about what he means and why he
should be supported, educated, or dumped. Over at Fox, it's the same game,
different players. We need to get the facts from a variety of sources and sort
them out intelligently!
Many assume that the wiretapping was illegal. Perhaps they know the law and know
what happened and they are right, but I seriously doubt it. What if the
wiretapping was done in Russia, not on U.S. soil, is it still illegal? And, is
it possible the Intel Community received court orders for the wiretaps? I read
how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allows the agency to get obtain
court orders from the United States Foreign Surveillance Court. Remember how
Eric Snowden revealed that the NSA was pulling Verizon calls? The received their
warrant from the Foreign Surveillance Court. If that was legal, surely a court
warrant on Michael Flynn could be legal.
@ illuminatedFlynn didn't lose his job over the content of his
phone calls. He lost his job because he lied.But it does seem a
double-standard, doesn't it? If I'm him, I point to my boss and say,
"What about him?!"@ SG in SLC"I was looking
for some sort of real-world example..."I thought this is what
you were attempting to do. I'm glad you said something because I got the
impression that a lot of people misunderstood.Like others here, I
think Chaffetz just needs to replace "Trump" with "Clinton" and
then decide what's appropriate, consistent, non-partisan, fair, etc.
SG in SLC - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 16, 2017 4:21 p.m.Too often
partisan comparisons break down because there is not a thorough understanding of
the illogic in the model. People are more interested in scoring points rather
than trying to prove the position with a reasoned, rational argument.The current situation is difficult to find an analogy because you have to have
almost identical situations. That means that all of the factors are present.
This is difficult since there are always missing pieces for complete
comparison.Now, of course, there is often conjecture (in the Bill
Clinton/Loretta Lynch scenario) where nothing is known regarding their
conversation. For all we know, they talked about Clinton's grandchildren
and the cost of light bulbs. Too many draw conclusion that have no basis. Being
angry with the Clinton's is not enough. We understand nothing
about the Clinton/Lynch meeting except that it happened. In the Michael Flynn
case, we know what was discussed because their is a transcript. Also, there is
no evidence that Hillary sent Bill to meet with Lynch. However, there is a
greater possibility that Donald Trump sent Flynn.
@Gus TalwyndYou make a good point, and I agree with the differences
in the scenarios that you have pointed out. It was an imperfect analogy, and
was admittedly not equivalent in terms of scope or implications. I was looking
for some sort of real-world example (imperfect though it may be) that our
friends on the other side of the aisle could relate to, from their perspective.
I think there are some similarities at the broadest level; but in a more
detailed analysis, the comparison breaks down. Hopefully, you and others can
see where I was intending to go with my comparison.
illuminated - Kansas City, MOFeb. 16, 2017 11:11 a.m." . .
. Trump's approval jumps to 55%. This laughable witch hunt isn't
working.As I said in my previous post, we the people know this is
fake news."Spoken like a true Donald Trump devotee. Except the
approval rating is far above anything outside the 45% who voted for him. Where
did you get your poll number? People are aware that anything that is critical of
Trump is called " fake news" whether it is true or not. It is now known
as "negative news" as opposed to "real news" which favors
Trump.Also, be very careful about using the term "we the
people" since loyal, dedicated Trump supporters are not in the majority, but
rather account for only about 35%. We don't live under an apartheid regime
where a small minority controls the majority.By the way, where do
you get your news if not from the major news organizations? It's important
to know where people get their information unless they just make it up. The old
adage applies: if you get 10 different people in a room and ask their opinion on
something, you get eleven different answers.
Are those who leaked Traitors or are they Patriots who are trying to prevent
damage to our country?Are there also Patriots and Traitors in
@Hutterite -wrote, "Wow. We need someone to investigate Chaffetz. This is
dereliction of duty on his part."Exactly what I was thinking.
Maybe it's time to look a little more closely into just who his donors are.
We know about the extraction industry ones...perhaps there might be some with
connections to Trump--or to Russia.
Information cannot penetrate Donald Trump. He has this defensive shield that
anything critical is automatically dismissed as "fake news" regardless
of the accuracy and source. This is why he is so hostile to news organizations
like the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Wall Street
Journal, CNN and MSNBC.However, he loves Fox News, Breibart News,
InfoWars and the National Enquirer. They only tell him what he want to hear and
that's very important in creating Trump World. This is why he
is so adamant about going after the so-called "illegal leakers" and
asking Jason Chaffetz to help him identify those who are criticizing his
performance. It is also significant that Trump still continues to believe that
Michael Flynn didn't do anything wrong, that he was doing what he (Trump)
requested. And since Trump is above the law, anything he has an aide do on his
behalf is also above the law.Remember, Trump could shoot someone on
5th Avenue and he would lose any votes. Also, he wouldn't be arrested and
go to jail because he is "Trump". Rules and laws shouldn't
apply. Russia? "Trust me", says the Dear Leader.
Partisan politics. Do your job. Call for a probe on the information. Leaks
would stop if only congress would do their job. As long as they wont, some
people will continue to put country over party.
illuminated - Kansas City, MOFeb. 16, 2017 9:12 a.m."More
fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong. Hilarious that they
still think the people believe anything they say."Wouldn't
it be great if the national media just stopped reporting on Donald Trump and his
administration? Just think. No more "fake news". No more news stories
about Trump's actions, conflicts-of-interest, self-serving activities, and
Russian connection. Perhaps Trump could deal only with the conservative media
and Alt-Right "news groups". Then the bubble would be completely
surrounding us.By the way, the intelligence services have
transcripts of what went on during Flynn's conversation with the Russian
ambassador. Do you think a private individual talking to an official of a
hostile foreign state is necessarily innocent chatter? It's not Flynn who
is the story, it's Trump. Apparently Trump has a long history of Russia
connections documented in video, published news stories, and from intelligence
intercepts.Maybe you prefer not to read the NY Times or Washington
Post, but you might want to acquaint yourself with excellent journalism.
"NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly reports that there is no evidence of criminal
wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael
Flynn’s conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak"And this is coming from NPR. This whole thing is fake news because Hillary
lost the election and the left doesn't know how to deal with it.I'll be waiting for someone, anyone, here accusing Flynn if wrong doing
to post the actual transcript to back up your claim. Tick tock..
illuminated - Kansas City, MOFeb. 16, 2017 9:12 a.m.."I'm glad Trump and Chaffetz will be investigating this illegal
wiretapping.Interesting that you consider contact between an agent
for a foreign power (Russia) and an American private citizen (Michael Flynn) is
private, but if it involved a foreign terrorist organization and an American
citizen you might be up in arms demanding why Homeland Security didn't tap
their phone conversation.Is this only because it's Donald Trump
and you are a loyal, dedicated Trump supporter? Do you consider it's part
of our national security agencies job to monitor hostile forces (including
Russia) talking with an American citizen just to make sure they're not
doing anything improper?Wiretapping and intercepting private
conversations is highly controversial. But where there is cause (i.e. contact
with a hostile state or group) the law is quite clear. And Flynn probably knew
that his conversation would be monitored and a transcript made and circulated in
the intelligence community. He was doing it at the behest of Trump, so no need
to worry. Being a public official make a big difference.
This shows that the left and the media will go so far as to imperil our security
if it means poking at Trump.Think about what had to happen for this
info to leak.*Someone was listening in on phone traffic of the Russian
ambassador.*Someone within our own intelligence agency told reporters.*Reporters published that information.Flynn is gone. What about
the reporters and internal sources?What do we do if this same
mechanism goes to work when the administration begins working on serious
Chaffetz is "chaff" in Trump's wind and sniffles. Now we know what
happened in that meeting a few weeks ago. Trump has put some kind of leash on
SG in SLC - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 16, 2017 8:54 a.m.You need
to rethink your example.First, Loretta Lynch was not an agent of a
foreign power hostile to the United States. Also, Hillary Clinton had not been
elected president and was not in any position to grant favors to that foreign
state. Yes, it was dumb (not illegal) for Bill Clinton to have a private meeting
with Lynch and a transcript would have helped. But that is apples.Here is oranges.Donald Trump had been elected to be President of
the United States. His representative, Michael Flynn, had contact with a foreign
agent of a hostile nation and discussed the removal of sanctions imposed by the
current President of the United States. This is a criminal offense. One might
say "treasonous" but that is stretching it quite a bit.Now,
why was Flynn talking to the Russians? We know that Hillary did not send Bill to
talk with Lynch. She understood the optics of this was bad with regard to the
FBI investigation into her misuse of an email server. But it is very probable
that Flynn called the Russian ambassador at the suggestion/order of Trump. This
makes it an even bigger problem.
@illuminated: "More fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything
wrong. Hilarious that they still think the people believe anything they
say."Hey, this is breaking news. Illuminated, you need to
call the FBI and CIA quick! Tell them not to worry about anything, and quit
pursuing any investigation. The FBI needs your information sources,
too. They don't read brietbart, so you'll have to keep them informed.
DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UTFeb. 15, 2017 9:54 p.m." . . . claims that the "Russians stole the election" are absurd,
but voter fraud was very real, committed by Democrats."Stole?
No. But adversely influenced? Yes. The leaks and drip, drip, drip of information
taken from the DNC affected what people thought about Hillary. Remember, she was
leading until the last month when people started making up their minds. Both the
Russians and the FBI affected the election in a major way.So-called
"voter fraud" has been shown to be insignificant to almost non-existent.
Not absolute zero, there were cases of a wife voting for Donald Trump in place
of her dead husband because "that's what he wanted". But it was
only one vote, in this case, and had absolutely no affect on the election. There is no affect of these few cases on national elections, so when
people say "voter fraud doesn't exits", it doesn't exist to
any significant degree. However, voter fraud does exist on the local level
because there are fewer voters and it is easier to affect the outcome. But
Trump's claims of "massive" voter fraud are false.
illuminated: "And in other news, Trump's approval jumps to 55%. This
laughable witch hunt isn't working."Pew has him at 39%. Gallop rolling weekly is 40%.
We've replaced Crooked Hillary with Treasonous Trump and now Chaffetz wants
to go after whoever sprang the leak on his puppet master. This is full blown
foreign involvement of Russia with the election AND our top NSA advisor and
other senior Trump officials. Given that Trump himself has personally attacked
the CIA and FBI for this matter, we need more answers, not to have the
whistleblowers quashed.Anyone over 55 should remember how eventually
Nixon brought the whole GOP down with him as people were fed up with the
lemming-like loyalty of his party. We got Jimmy Carter as a result. Sad how
history repeats itself, especially for the Republicans who don't seem to
learn.So to my fellow Conservatives and GOP: support Trump at the
peril of your country and party and you will rue the day.
DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UTFeb. 15, 2017 9:54 p.m."However, the same appointment of anyone to dig into charges against Trum
should also appoint a special prosecutor to investigate "concerns over
national security and classified information" connected to Hillary
Clinton."This is hypocritical since both the committee chaired
by Jason Chaffetz and the FBI have investigated Hillary Clinton for years,
spending tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, and finding nothing. The
issues with Hillary are over. Trump won the election. She has been investigated,
criticized, and subjected to years of harassment and vindictive accusations, and
still you want a special prosecutor appointed to investigate her further? And
who's going to pay for this?Or is this just "Don't
investigate Trump" talk so that he can continue working in secret and doing
anything he wants regardless of what the American people think? Remember, he is
a minority president having lost by close to 3 million votes. And he only has
the support of 37-43% which is not a mandate to do whatever he wants. Do you
prefer "minority government" if it's your minority?
Our country is in a bad direction thanks to Obama and Trump and every single
person that has supported these overly divisive individuals. There
is humor in this though. To see so many high level democrats hypocritically
claim that "the leaks aren't the story, but rather what's in the
leaks", just weeks after pushing so hard for all of us to "ignore the
leaked emails because the real story is that Podesta's email was
hacked".I'm still laughing at how silly and petty all of
these supposed "leaders" are (talking about those in the two largest
political cartels/parties in this country. The tragedy is the number of
numb-minded individuals who follow them.
illuminated -said: "And in other news, Trump's approval jumps to 55%.
This laughable witch hunt isn't working."Yep backwards
day...The latest Pew Research Center poll found just 39 percent approve of his
job performance while 56 percent disapprove. Sixty-eight percent of those
surveyed do not believe Trump is "even-tempered" while just 28 percent
believe he is.Jason will Not do his job, he is simply another tool
in the shed for Trump.
illuminated - Kansas City, MOFeb. 16, 2017 9:12 a.m."More
fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong.Yes,
"fake news" in that it's critical of the Trump administration.As for evidence, there are transcripts of the telephone conversations.
Our national security agencies listen in to the Russians. Unless you don't
trust our national security people in the FBI and Homeland Security, then
there's not much to say. Maybe you don't trust the military and would
like to see a purge of all military and national security agencies and have only
Trump loyalists in control, then I'll question your judgement. Going after the people who leaked the information is ironic since Donald Trump
likes it when others (i.e. Hillary and the DNC) have their confidential
information leaked, but calls it "illegal" when his secrets get out.
Also, it does the American people and injustice when Trump is allowed to do
whatever he wants and keep it secret until the time he decides to
"reveal" his latest edict in the form of a executive order.You need to ask yourself, What did Donald Trump know and when did he know it?
Rep. Chaffetz seems blissfully unaware that history has two sides, and he just
secured himself a spot on the wrong one.Beyond his dubious judgment
in investigating the source of the leaks rather than their substance, Chaffetz
and the rest of the GOP seem to believe this situation can be contained by
Congress. It can't.Even if the GOP magically shuts
down all domestic leaks about Trump's ties to Russia, they have no control
over the release of incriminating intercepts by foreign intelligence agencies
that are allies of the United States, but do not trust Trump...or the GOP now.
This intel is now emerging in the foreign press, and coming soon to a news
source near you.The information will come out and depending upon the
severity of the wrong-doing, the GOP brand and individuals such as Chaffetz will
deserve all the political consequences of their abdication of their duties to
the United States.The sooner this happens, the better.
This is funny. Just months ago the media ignored a leak verifying criminality in
the Dem Nat'l Committee to focus on the supposed source of the leak.Now, the media ignores the source of the leak, an illegal wiretap from
the CIA, to focus on supposed criminality. If there was some
consistency they would have more credibility. As it is, there is no evidence
Flynn did anything illegal, but there is plenty of evidence the CIA did. But
hey, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
And in other news, Trump's approval jumps to 55%. This laughable witch
hunt isn't working.As I said in my previous post, we the people
know this is fake news. The Trump train to Make America Great Again rolls
forward with or without your help!Hold on to your seatbelts, if his
first few weeks are any indication, Trump may be the greatest President our
nation has ever had!Go Trump!
Interesting that you are not concerned with three clear violations of privacy:
The phone call to Australia that was somehow tapped into, the phone call with
Mexico that was somehow tapped into, and the phone call to Russia that was also
tapped. Wire tapping is a crime, unless you have a warrant. If you have the
warrant, then leaking what you found is a crime because of the sensitivity of
the information.How would you feel if you found out your conversations
were being tapped by someone. Remember, Mr. Flynn was an ordinary citizen like
you and me on the date of this occurrence.
Donald Trump's little attack dog. Are you ready to go down with the ship,
As stated throughout these comments, Chaffetz has a safe seat in his
congressional district and will never be voted out. So true.But also
true is the fact that he has killed all chances to be voted into a state-level
position, including governor or senator. He has shown himself to be nothing more
than the water boy for the extreme right. And although Utah is a red state, we
also expect our governors to be moderate and independent, focused on the welfare
of the state as a whole for all citizens. Enjoy your safe seat Mr.
Chaffetz. It now comes with an unretractable seatbelt.
"Before my bum even hit the chair, the president said, 'No oversight.
You can’t talk about anything that has to do with oversight,'"
(Jason Chaffetz speaking to reporters about his meeting with Trump
2/7/17)It looks like Chaffetz is expanding and applying Trump's
admonition to his job as Chairman of the House Oversight Committee. Jason. There are but only a handful of people in this entire country who have
the power and responsibility equal to yours. No doubt it is not easy. But at
the end of the day, will you be the one who forthrightly faced the challenge or
the one who followed the lead of a very seriously troubled and inadequate
leader? (last comment)
Trump in July about Clinton "Russia, if you're listening, I hope
you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump in January about Flynn "I think it's really a sad thing that
he was treated so badly," his words not the media
So Chaffetz doesn't want to do investigations without there being something
there, and when something is there he wants to investigate how it became known
In Alternative Fact land the "crime" is telling the truth about the
crimes committed by Trump&Co. Sort of like Bizarro in Superman
comics, or backwards day in second grade.
Chaffetz making a serious investigation into Trump's Russia ties is about
as likely as Chaffetz washing his hair.
I think there are many Republicans who felt and hoped Pence's presence in
the White House would have a moderating and stabilizing effect. However, this
issue with Flynn reveals either that a) Pence lied or b) Trump and his aides
(unknown to Pence) were willing to make Pence the "fall-guy" and let him
be front and center of lying and covering up what they knew. So how much is
Pence being included in decision making, crafting of or implementing policy.So far there is no evidence Trump is willing or capable of learning and
changing his behavior.“Flynn’s resignation is a
troubling indication of the dysfunction of the current national security
apparatus.......“General Flynn’s resignation also raises
further questions about the Trump administration’s intentions toward
Vladimir Putin’s Russia, including statements by the President suggesting
moral equivalence between the United States and Russia despite its invasion of
Ukraine, annexation of Crimea, threats to our NATO allies, and attempted
interference in American elections."(John McCain 2/14/17 Chairman
Senate Armed Services Committee)
No rightNo wrongNo CountryNo NationNo JusticeNo
IntegrityNo PatriotismJust do everything possible to protect
Let's hope the leakers continue to be steadfast and bold in their efforts
to protect democracy before we slip into fascism.Chaffetz seems
intent on protecting corruption.
I don't trust Chaffetz one iota. He'll conduct an
"investigation" and manipulate it to serve Trump and himself.
Really? The enabler Chaffetz, he would investigate Hillary if her slip was
showing. Now we have possible Republican administration treachery and
nothing? Stop with the false equivalency head fake this isn't about
leaked troop movements, it's about administration treachery. Example of
the leaks or media deflection false importance. Emergency Room Doctor; Yes,
Mrs. Trump your child was hit by a car and we'll start treatment as soon as
we find out if it was a Chevy or a Ford.
There's a skunk in the living room, Jason! Now is not the time to try
to figure out who left the door open.
Illuminated writes "Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything
wrong."Really? So you believe that Donald Trump fired Flynn for
no reason? Did you mean to say that you think that he did nothing
illegal? Spicer told reporters. “The President was very
concerned that Gen. Flynn had misled the vice president and others.”
Using the logic of Chaffetz the person reporting a bank robbery should be
investigated while the person robbing the bank is ignored.
More fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong. Hilarious
that they still think the people believe anything they say.I'm
glad Trump and Chaffetz will be investigating this illegal wiretapping. A lot
of people on the left are going to jail. Scary times we live in where our own
government is illegally trying to take down their commander in chief.
Chaffetz: If you're a Democrat, you get investigated ad
infinitum, at any cost to the taxpayer.If you're a Republican,
you get a free pass. My seat in Congress is safe, I can do my job
And the Chaffetz clown show just keeps rolling along. He is petrified of Trump,
and Trump's bromance with Putin. Who elected this guy?
(2 of 2)Now, let's suppose that, instead of one Bill Clinton/Loretta
Lynch meeting, there were several, and they also included Debbie
Wasserman-Schultz, Donna Brazile, and Jame Comey (and SIGINT existed on these
meetings). Do you think THAT might be worthy of extensive investigation? Would
the SIGINT leak be more serious than the content of the meetings?This scenario is akin to the Trump Administration/Russia Connection situation.
(1 of 2)For those who think that passing the contents (but not the
methodology) of certain Intelligence Community (IC) "Signals
Intelligence" (SIGINT) relating to alleged Trump campaign/administration
wrongdoing to an American media outlet is more egregious than the "Russian
connection" wrongdoing (i.e., making agreements favorable to Russian
interests prior to being legally empowered to do so, and passing sensitive
information relative to our national interests to Russian officials), let's
look at it in a context that you might be able to relate to:Let's say that during the 2016 presidential campaign, a candidate (e.g.,
Hillary Clinton) has been accused of wrongdoing. Now, let's suppose that
one of her senior advisors (e.g., Bill Clinton) decides to have an "off the
record" meeting with AG Loretta Lynch (on the tarmac at Sky Harbor Airport).
Would you want to know what was said in that meeting? If the IC had
"bugged" the meeting, would you go after them for leaking intelligence,
or would you want the media to publish the contents of the meeting?
Mr. chaffetz is simply a trump enabler.
Nobody even knows what Flynn talked about on the phone. Nobody has evidence of
any wrong doing on his part.What we DO have evidence of, is illegal
phone tapping by our intelligence agencies under President Obama.A
lot of people need to go to jail here, big time. Starting with people in the
NSA. I hope Chaffetz follows this all the way to the top. What did Obama know
and when did he know it? Did he order this?Flynn and Russia is a
head fake for the real scandal. We have people in our own government illegally
leaking information to destroy their own commander of chief. Unbelievable. Lock these criminal leftists up and throw away the key.
Chris Karpowitz, co-director of BYU's Center for the Study of Elections and
Democracy, said the direction Chaffetz has taken with his call for an
investigation into the news reports likely won't quell constituent
concerns."I’m not sure that gets him off the hot seat
here," Karpowitz said. "The problem here isn't the leaks. The
problem is the substance of what those leaks are telling us. They seem to be
pointing at something much more serious."AmenJason,Just for a moment imagine Hillary is POTUS and her national
security advisor did what Flynn did--lied to the VP and Hillary blamed the media
for having to fire Flynn. And, Russia hacked and selectively leaked RNC emails.
And Hillary was tweeting about Chelsea's line getting dropped at Nordstrom
and never released a single tax return. And Hillary personally called the NPS
inquiring about pictures of crowd sizes at her inauguration. And Hillary was
threatening to sue journalists? Etc etc etcWhat would you be doing?
Do that.Lord, help us. Our leaders
The hypocrisy is sickening. Why do we continue to send career hypocrites back
to Congress every election?
So, apparently Chaffetz & Co. are more interested in ensuring that future
whistleblowing and evidence of wrongdoing never see the light of day; making an
example of the whistleblowers and the journalists who publish their information
in order to intimidate and cow future do-gooders is just icing on the cake for
Treason is a crime. Whistle-blowing is not a crime. Our intelligence people are
true patriots and heroes. What Cheney, Karl Rove, and Scooter Libby
did to Valerie Plame's career was sickening. We can expect to see a lot of
careers destroyed because Trump can't see beyond himself.
I call for an investigation of Chaffetz.He's either lazy or
ignorant when it comes to his job!What's your theory?The Trump administration has provided him with multiple opportunities to
'stay busy'. As a Utah citizen, not a paid protestor,
once told Mr. Chaffetz: "Do your job!". FYI: I'm
quoting myself on the "Do your job" phrase.
Wow. We need someone to investigate Chaffetz. This is dereliction of duty on his
part. People aren't going to be so polite at his next town hall, I
"I’m not sure that gets him off the hot seat here," Karpowitz
said. "The problem here isn't the leaks. The problem is the substance
of what those leaks are telling us. They seem to be pointing at something much
more serious."--- Exactly!
Here is my take on this whole thing. If there is no connection with Trump and
the Russians - and I have no reason to believe there was any collusion with
Trump and the Russians - you would think that the best course of action would be
to not investigate leaks to the US media. What should be of interest
to every American, liberal or conservative, is any attempts by the Russians to
influence the American political process. This should be of high interest to
everyone. It is a known fact by both sides that Russia is no friend of the US.
Period. Regardless if there was any communication by Trump - any attempt by
Russia to compromise any US political system should be of high intent to all
parties.If there is no collusion, an investigation would prove that
point, and put this issue to rest. How better to silence this issue other than
to investigate it, and find out what really happened. The communications
between Trump's staff and Russia may have been totally innocent. But that
doesn't mean Russia's intents were innocent. We need to know this....
and then put it to rest.
I think I may actually prefer rep Chaffetz to look into voter fraud, so that we
can stop hearing about it. This is just something Trump throws out whenever he
wants to change the news story, or has had his feelings hurt. Even Sen
McConnell just ignores this when its mentioned.
I am disappointed in what appears to be clear partisanship by Chaffetz in the
performance of his duties as Chair of the Oversight Committee. But that is
compounded by his dismissing his constituents as paid ringers at a recent Town
Hall meeting to which he invited us! You cannot properly and represent the
people if you talk more than you listen, and distort the truth to justify your
Trump has known for weeks that Flynn had lied to Pence, and that he was subject
to Russian blackmail. If it wasn't for these leaks to the media, Trump
would never have fired Flynn, and Pence would have never known. Chaffetz's
committee exists to uncover truth, not to conceal it. Chaffetz, Do Your Job!!!
Mr. Chafftez is now blind to possible Russian involvement in our election.
DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT, still on the Hillary thing? That was
proven over and over again to be a complete fraud. But it is all the radical
right supporters of Trump can bring up. So let's get to the real issues
and that is our National Security under this administration. So you
can bring up Hillary all you want as a smokescreen, but the GOP now has the duty
to get to the bottom of this Russian issue and there is one heck of a lot of
smoke billowing out of this travesty. So sidestep the issues like
many GOP members and bring up Hillary? Getting tired of this old argument. The
real issue is our national security. If this Russian deal had been with Hillary
in the White House, the GOP hypocrites would be going gang busters. Now some
honest GOP leaders are seeing we have a crisis and it needs to be addressed.
Hillary, past news DN. And she was proven innocent.
So there's a fire in the White House, and Jason's response is to
investigate why the smoke detectors are going off? Brilliant.
With an (apparently) straight face, Chaffetz announces he is going after - NOT
the misdeeds of a possibly traitorous, certainly inept and flawed new
administration - but after those who dare shine any kind of light on such
misdeeds. And we citizens applaud him !!! How low our country has sunk.
"Frankly I think any claims that the "Russians stole the election"
are absurd, but voter fraud was very real, committed by Democrats. "And this is the real problem. Here, an American believes claims by
Russia of their innocence into American spying, but doesn't believe in
literally dozens of studies that found no evidence of voter fraud. Report after
report has found evidence of "Russian" hacking of US systems, and there
are no reports supporting voter fraud. And yet this person believes the non
supported claim over the one where there have been numerous reports of
confirmation of the other claim.We believe Clinton was a risk,
because her server was a risk to national security by possible Russian hacking -
yet we also believe their was no Russian hacking in the last election? Does no
one else see the contradictions here? Evidently Russian hacking is partisan
based - they only want to hack Democrats?
It's impossible to say that "Russia stole the election". But what
they did certainly could have affected it. Isn't that enough to warrant
and investigation?Concerning voter fraud. Yes, there are dead
people on the roles. But, Trumps claims of 3-5 million illegal votes is
irresponsible. If you have credible evidence, show the details. Yes, there should be an investigation into the leaks. But there is certainly
some evidence that there was questionable contact with Russia. Those
(Chaffetz?) who do not see this as worth investigation are pure partisans.
Chaffetz has lost all credibility concerning oversight. He is merely a partisan
politician.Lastly, Trump is blaming the media for the ouster of
Flynn. How can that be? Is it because they reported the truth? Flynn misled
(read lied). He admitted it. And was removed.How is the media to blame?
Yes, let's overlook yet more evidence of Russian interference in our
election and active collusion of members of the current administration with
Putin.And Chaffetz wonders why so many people were so mean to him
New to Utah Provo UtahIs it your feeling that at Congressman's
Chafitz town hall meeting there were "Paid Professional Protestors" who
were bussed into the State by George Soros?If so please share your
evidence with this specific event.
Chaffetz is doing his duty to uncover the criminal leakers left over from the
Obama administration. This Obama Shawdow government with 250 units under names
such as Organizing for Action. It is not just a group of progressives but an
organized group of paid demonstrators with the goal of toppling the Trump
administration. The Chaffetz shout down town hall is just the beginning.
Billionaire George Soros is funding these through his dozens of non profits and
other organizations. Where he hides his money? I saw this in person in St. Louis
right after the Michael Brown deceptions and riots in 2014 with paid bused in
rioters. The mainstream media distorted the facts. I was at a family gatherings
and had dozens of locals who lived there express outrage over these bused in
Okay, if Congress wants to dig into these alleged" Russian connections"
due to concerns over national security and classified information, go ahead.However, the same appointment of anyone to dig into charges against Trum
should also appoint a special prosecutor to investigate "concerns over
national security and classified information" connected to Hillary
Clinton.Frankly I think any claims that the "Russians stole the
election" are absurd, but voter fraud was very real, committed by Democrats.
Right now the release of highly classified information to the
leftists news media is a far greater concern than if Trump's future NSC guy
called to introduce himself to the Russian diplomats. Remember, Obama's
future NSC guy actually went to Moscow before he was even elected!
While the questions about Donald Trump increase in magnitude, we have only one
question to ask: What did he know and when did he know it? This is the classic
Richard Nixon question that brought down the Nixon White House.We
know that Jason Chaffetz has not been willing to investigate wrong-doing in the
Trump administration, going out of his way to dismiss requests to find out about
the Trump-Russia connection despite news stories appearing the the major
national newspapers. Chaffetz want to investigate Benghazi and Hillary's
email for another decade, but he won't investigate Trump and his ties to
Russia.Now we see him going after the very people who are telling us
what is going on the Trump World. Mike Pence has been played like a dupe. Mike
Flynn has been hung out to dry after doing what he was told. And Jason Chaffetz
can't find a reason to investigate Trump. It may be he had a
candid conversation with Trump at the White House after signing a non-disclosure
agreement and he believes he is now legally prohibited from launching any
investigation into Trump's affairs. This is how Trump operates. He likes to
keep things secret.
Has Chaffetz learned nothing from the Trump escapades with the intelligence
community? The 'mishandling of classified information'
Chaffetz is now worried about just protected American interests by cutting off
Russia's eyes and ears in the Situation Room. Exactly what needed to be
done in light of Congressional GOP abdication.The intelligence
community knows what intel has been shared with the GOP members who control both
chambers of Congress. They can just as easily embarass those Representatives
who stick their heads in the sand as the can pluck off a senior adviser in the
Executive Branch. Chaffetz may continue to be reelected to his safe seat, but
his committee leadership position is much less certain.
Donald Trump is known to be intimately involved in all his business activities.
He micro-manages and takes personal interest in everything that goes on in the
Trump Organization and, by extension, his presidential administration. He sleeps
little, and works incessantly to control everything he is involved in.So, it is reasonable to assume that Trump may delegate responsibilities within
his administration to trusted aides, but he both instructs them what they can
and cannot do and gets reports on their results. This is the way the man
operates; nothing gets passed him without his direct attention.To
say that Michael Flynn went on his own and called the Russian ambassador is to
refuse acknowledging reality. Flynn would not do anything without Trump's
order and Flynn would report to Trump on the results of his conversation. It is
not in Flynn's nature to go out and do things on his own, and Trump's
appears to confirm this when he said today that Flynn "is a very good
man" after so-called dismissing him for lack of trust.Trump has
often commented that he got where he is by working and paying attention to
detail. He likes to make the decisions.
Here we go.Now Jason Chaffetz is starting to investigate the Trump
administration and ties with the Russians. But not as you would suspect. As far
as Chaffetz is concerned, the resignation/firing of Michael Flynn ended any need
to have an investigation. This came when many thought that Donald Trump
instructed Chaffetz not to investigate anything in his administration. However,
now we have an investigation except it isn't the one people wanted.Chaffetz, in response to Trump's incessant and wrongful belief that
the leaking of information was illegal, now wants to investigate the leaks.
Apparently, Chaffetz believes that exposing the chaos and activities of the
Trump administration where it crosses the line is not a valid use of his time,
but chasing down those who reveal information about the chaos and activities is.
This is interesting because it appears that Chaffetz is working on behalf of the
Trump administration to silence those who provide information on possibly
illegal/improper activities.More so, it is to shut down the
investigation of Trump's direct involvement with the Russian interference
in our presidential election.
Another Chaffetz smokescreen. He's going after this instead of digging into
Trump and his friends close financial ties & possibly blackmail
vulnerability to the Russians. Talk about misdirection. Chaffetz needs to be