We have a small business in Los Angeles, and need to move because of the
increasing minimum wage.We make a consumer product and sell it to
the US and overseas, and compete directly with products from China. At $10.50
per hour, labor is our highest cost by far. As soon as California announced
it's going to $15, I started looking at other states to move to. Indeed,
some local businesses closed and those workers now make $0. And if we move, our
workers here will also then make $0.Also as a result of $15 we now
require 25 years of work experience. No high school kids, no college kids, and
no 20 or 30-something workers anymore. They just don't have the mentality
to do ongoing product building work, reliably, that we need. The Chinese do,
however. If we could pay less, like $5, then I'd love to have college
kids.Also immediately after the $15 announcement came
state-of-emergency levels of homelessness. We have so many here now, on sidewalk
camps, and threatening you with knives, that cities are paying for bus tickets
to send them away. They used to have minimum wage jobs.The reason
politician push for higher wages, is that it gets them votes.
We just had this happen in Arizona and businesses are leaving in droves. We were
considering moving our business to Utah, but we will not if they are going to do
the same thing AZ did. We give young people a great job that will give them
skills that will last a life time. We start at $10, but most are at $12+ within
a couple of months. We have about 50-100 jobs like that to bring to Utah if this
bill is shot down, but we'll go to Idaho if necessary. It'd be a shame
for Utah to miss out on these jobs. Minimum wage was never intended to be
a living wage, it was intended for students and those adults going back to
school etc. When the minimum wage goes up, the cost of food, gas, and housing to
name a few go up too. Right before the AZ bill was passed I went to a fast
food restaurant and the cost of a meal that I wanted was around $8 after the
bill passed the same meal was $9.75. That is the cost of raising the minimum
wage. Please fight to stop this so we can bring our business up to you fine
folks up there.
Look at the mostly costly areas anywhere--and you'll also obviously see
some of the toughest poverty there too. The key to helping the low economic end
is to control costs--not mandate pay, so this does the opposite. It's just like a calculus problem: substitute the variable ($10) for a
million and see if the model works out? This approach either works or it
doesn't. The $2 raise is just less harmful--but it's still the wrong
approach. And by the way, to those that say that youth don't
work anymore--I say that is a real problem. People that expect an empty diploma
to afford a lavish lifestyle haven't learned to work and contribute
earlier; it's incredibly important to learn to work, it's the stepping
stone to success.
In the photo, are they crying about all the lost jobs? That should be part of
the calculus. Utah has a lot of youth who are happy to work for $8/hr;
that's even advertized. Minimum wage laws rob the youth, immigrants, large
households and freedom. The silver lining though is that businesses
work harder on automation when these regulations are imposed--so we ultimately
trade low wages for unemployment benefits and welfare.
Manufacturing in the United States has drastically reduced in size, and scope
since the 1950's and 60's. Why? Two reasons that both come back to
the same root issue. The root issue is that we live in a global economy and not
a single country economy. The two issues: 1) businesses initially refused to
change and accept new concepts such as quality is free but requires constant
improvement and 2) unions drove up wages will refusing to recognize the
symbiotic relationship between management and the workers. Instead both sides
saw it as a confrontational relationship.Only those businesses that
embraced change and recognized that both sides needed each other have survived.
Some only accepted these changes grudgingly. With minimum wage, the
same issues exist. Raise the minimum wage, and jobs disappear. Pay only
minimum wage and good workers will disappear. Minimum wage should not be
changed. Teenagers and others just entering the workplace aren't worth
more. But smart businesses realize that for those employees who have developed
the skills needed by the business they better pay more or lose them.
I think the thing that gets continually overlooked by this is that people's
time is worth different amounts to them. When I have a 16 year old I want him to
be able to get a job making $7 an hour to teach him how to work. It's not
immoral for him to be paid that, is it? While I totally agree that it would be
awful to raise a family on the minimum wage, I find it mind boggling that in an
economy that is growing as ours one can't find a full-time job that pays
more than $7.25. I don't think it's moral to ruin my kids'
teenage years because some people don't pursue better skills and higher
I am just sickened by the slippery slope march to Socialism, Communism, etc.
Venezuala, Cuba, the former USSR, North Korea, etc. all started out with similar
arguments that today's Progressives have.The free market -
meaning lack of government controlled economies and regulations - have moved
BILLIONS of humans out of poverty into a middle class. No other efforts -
government efforts included - have come remotely close to what freedom and free
markets have done.It is cruel, inhumane, and simply wrong to push
more ideas that counter what the free market has done (the free market creating
middle classes and prosperity with BILLIONS of human beings propsering) - it is
wrong and inhumane to push those Progressive ideas, such as a $15 minimum wage.
Instead, we should teach our children and socieity about the poverty-crushing
ideas of free markets, and each persons' ability to improve his/herself to
take advantage of those markets. Let's help businesses out by
eliminating unnecessary regulations and let the market determine wages.
Let's help people out by telling the TRUTH - that govt. controlled
economies create poverty, and free markets create prosperity.
It is not the role of any government to issue mandates on wages or price
controls. That is the business of dictatorships and banana republics... not a
representative system of, by, and for the people. Wages should purely be a
free-market matter. It's the most efficient and the most fair method.
It only goes to affirm what some conservative pundits have claimed. Liberalism
is a mental disorder. This Democrat, Hemingway, insists, "They are going to
invest in rent, they're going to invest it food, . . . . etc." Sorry
Mr. Hemingway. Rent and food are NOT investments! Perhaps 'kids'
might be. Rent is essentially throwing money into a hole and food is a natural
satisfaction to the hunger stressor of living. Regarding the idea
of raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour. It will at least temporarily kill
jobs locally and perhaps for a very long time before those jobs come back.
Consumers will spend less since wage increases mandated by the state will be
passed on to them and workers will either a) be laid off or b) have drastic cuts
to their hours. The so-called champions of the middle class and
'little guy' are now as they have always been, destroying the common
man with legislation that thwarts the invisible hand of the free market and
squeezes profits on small businesses (and large) to where they can no longer
That increasing the minimum wage will result in higher prices and unemployment
is a notion intuited by the "trickle-down/supply-sider" crowd, but it is
a fallacy.What really happens is that minimum wage workers would now
have more disposable income, which they would SPEND, spreading it through the
economy (leveraged by a multiplier effect), giving businesses new customers
(employees would be more able to afford the things that they produce) and adding
to businesses' bottom lines. This was the logic behind Henry Ford paying
his assembly workers higher than the prevailing wages at the time, rightly
believing that helping his workers be better able to afford the automobiles they
produced would add to his customer base.To be most effective and
beneficial, a minimum wage increase should apply to those 17 or 18 and older,
with younger workers receiving 75-80% of the increased minimum wage.I would strongly encourage reading/viewing what Nick Hanauer has to say on the
subject; particularly his column on the PBS website from last October and his
TED talk from August 2014.
The best way to handle this is supply and demand. If you have the skills to
make a higher wage you will make more money, If you have no skills you
won't. You have the freedom to further your education or find a
higher paying job. Mcdonaldshas an ATM that dispenses a big mac.
Menial labor is not where the job growth is.
For those that insist on seeing this solely in economic terms, all the talk
about the market setting a price is a little bit ridiculous in a context
saturated by government subsidy. If the employer is not paying an
employee’s cost of living, somebody else is. That somebody is the
taxpayer, you and me. Why is welfare for profit seeking more desirable than
businesses paying the real price for services rendered? Furthermore, the
building consensus of studies simply does not support the negative outcomes
postulated in the comments. Example studies include “Review of Economics
and Statistics,” by Dube, Lester and Reich and “The Effect of
Minimum Wage on Prices,” by Krueger and Card. Finally, it is
time to dispense with the characterization that teenagers make up even a
significant portion of minimum wage workers. This may once have been the case,
but no longer. Presently, only 12% of minimum wage earners are teenagers. The
average age for such a worker is 35, and 88 percent are at least 20. (2014
Report of The Center for Economic and Policy Research) Couching the issues as
keeping teenagers busy during the summer is disingenuous.
good luck passing your bill!! IOWA's legislature REFUSES to increase the
minimum wage from $7.25 !! Folks can't survive on that. best
wishes !! IOWAN
hasn't hired at the minimum wage for years because "the free market
system is driving up" wages.no guarantee of her company's
sales or profitsgovernment cannot guarantee "every social
outcome,"only about 1% of the workforce is at minimum wage, and
half of them are teenagersliberals cannot seem to understand these
simple truths.anjyleyesIf you run a small business from your
home, who besides you would be paying you $10.25/hr? if $10.25 is good, why
aren’t you paying yourself that now? It’s not just the
workers’ viewpoint you need to consider.SkepticUnion
greed and corruption has killed unions by pricing the labor they represent out
of the global market.
Utah has Had many years of making making a better life through that of
deflationists and while the issue of gaining more of the pie for the poor
continues to be a real truth in helping the poor the needy the sick and the
afflicted which includes the poor working class. the issues of the increase in
a price of housing with many older people or do you keep the price of housing
and food and clothing and other basics down. will you be building the local
economy or will you be importing more. And destroying the local economy? I
want to see the poor helped as well. The legislation issue sounds great until
the final tally is that Utah becomes less of a producer relying more on outside
resources and Goes into the hole. It takes more than just handling a wage
increase to make Utah profitable. I remember the days of retail store floor
man. $2.75 cents an hour. I don't want to see more people in the street
because of business foreclosures. In cannot afford to keep the doors open in
the state of Utah. Swift out of Chicago years ago established a wave across
America which today is commonly talked about through that of Walmart. I want
to see the poor with better livingconditions
To those who feel they need a hand out /charity /money not earned then this
sounds like a great idea! But in reality if you believe in a free market, then
minimum wage should be $0.A free market will eventually reveal what the
minimum wage is. It's whatever amount you're willing to work for given
a certain number of hours. If you're not paid enough, move on... Find a
better paying job, etc... Don't burden the business that gives you
the job. Take Seattle, just passed 15/hour last year . All those lower paying
jobs are gone! Kiosks and skeleton crews are now the norm. And will get worse
with time. Let capitalism work. Minimum wage $0 and let the market place craft
the real amount. Hey! If a kid wants to work at McDonald's for 8 bucks an
hour, great! Why does big government have to interfere with this agreement?
He's not supporting a family, and a job at McDonald's was never
designed to feed a family, nor should it be forced to
Common sense guy:. You're leaving out factors such as demand
and profit margins into your basic math equation. If wages go up 20%, a fast
food chain cannot raise the price of French fries 20% if no one is willing to
pay the cost increase. They would need to resort to other marketing strategies
(cutting down the size of the fries order, etc).Utes Fan: Technology has a bigger effect than immigration and government regulations on
semi-skilled jobs. Scanners have driven down the wages and eliminated jobs for
check out clerks. Larger stores can purchase this technology to control employee
costs much more than small businesses. Look at bookstores. The larger boxs
stores such as Barnes and Noble drove out smaller book stores. Now Barnes and
Noble is in trouble with e-readers and Amazon taking the market.The
issue of a liveable wage is much more complicated than simple math formulas,
government regulations and immigration.
I have never understood the minimum wage. If you did away with it, would lower
wages migrate to $0.00? Lower wages haven't seen minimum wage in several
years. Supply / demand does not allow it.So, what is the real
reason? Does it move lower wage earners to higher tax brackets so that they pay
more taxes (or get less subsidies)? Does it stimulate inflation so that the
dollar is worth less and governments debt decreases in real value? Does it price
American exports higher so that we gain more on the world market? Does it
encourage migrate workers to come to the country?There may be dozens
of other possible reasons, none of which seems to directly benefit the lower
wage earner over the long haul. I don't understand it. Enlighten me.
@staypuffinpc"If the average annual cost-of-living increase is 3%,
then why would we want to increase minimum wage nearly 37%?"Well
it's been how many years since the minimum wage was increased? If you add
3% to it each year since then your idea might be a lot closer to the 37%.
@mallow"I know that poorer workers will think this is a great idea,
but if you will actually look at what happens, you will find that you lose
ground rather than gain it. Businesses raise prices and in the end, you have
less spendable income. "That's incorrect. Yes, businesses
raise prices but the increase in wages disproportionately goes to those at the
bottom (obvious, since it's a minimum wage increase) but the increase in
prices to pay for that affects everyone at all income levels so those at the
bottom will gain more than they lose and those higher up will lose more than
I'm self-employed, and have wholly been since 1981 (though I started my
business in 1980). In 1986, for six months, I hired an early retiree from
California (who was then 50), who had a pension, and his house (here) was
completely paid for (after cashing in on his much pricier home in San Diego). I
paid him minimum wage. He made more money in the minimum wage I paid him during
those 6 months than what I made from my business during the same period.Decades ago, the black economist and syndicated economist, Thomas
Sowell, of Stanford University, wrote about how before minimum wages were begun
in the U.S., unemployment among black youth was at the same level as white youth
unemployment (meaning also that their employment was then also the same).
However, steadily, as minimum wage laws were enacted, and as minimum wage has
been raised, black youth unemployment has soared. And as that has happened, the
level of black marriage plummeted, in tandem.If legislating prices,
including prices on labor, could eliminate poverty, that would have happened
decades ago. But is has not, because it does not improve wage equality.
Let's say you do raise it eventually to $15.00/Hr. What about those people
that are making $15.50/Hr before the minimum wage was raised. They are still
making $15.50/Hr while their co-worker who was just hired on and has no
experience then is basically making the same amount as them. So then we the
heck did the first person get the experience to get up to $15.50/Hr?
Utah trout StockerWhere are you posting this 48 k job and not getting any
applicants. The job I got 4 months ago had 200 applicants. Here in SLC. My
nephew needs a job and has a degree. Where can he find where to apply for that
Communist agenda is hereRed DawnBeware
Entry-level jobs are just that, where you are paid based on your skills and
value to the business. As you learn and become more valuable, your wage should
increase; if not, then take your increased skills elsewhere. Entry level is a
beginning not the goal so a savvy employee/employer relationship would be to
increase value to each. Further training and/or higher education leads to
higher paying jobs. Higher education costs keep rising so on-job training is a
good option. Many, if not most, employers aim for skilled, reliable workers
and reward them accordingly but cannot afford to hire untrained workers at some
"living wage" that sinks his business because of increased overhead but
no increase in production.
I'll be a little more blunt than some of the other posters here. If you
folks, people that we elected, decide to raise taxes on food, I am going to
start a recall on each and every one of you. Now here is an option for
you to think about. Quit messing around with the issue of polygamy, allow the
adults to live as adults wish to live. But stop the welfare to the sister wives
and their kids. This money ends up in the community pot, and does not go for
what welfare is intended. Let a fella have as many wives and kids as he wants.
As long as he supports them. Another idea. Get on board with the lottery
games. Anybody who is offended by the lottery simply does not have to play it.
Even giving the church 10% of the profits would still raise plenty of money.And another idea. Stop with all these roads that go nowhere! We have two
hefty examples of roads paved with pork, right here in Dixie. One is the
Washington Parkway, which necessitated construction of a new freeway
interchange. The other is The Southern Beltway, aka SR 7! Having SR 7 run from
I-15 to the airport is necessary. But all the rest of it, what has been built,
and what is in the works, are pure pork.
Let the economy work.. This will hurt the overall economy more then help it.
@Spalding55The majority of minimum wage earners are adult. In
California, you see many elderly working at fast food establishments. For them
it's more than a minimum wage; it's a living wage. Many of the better
paying semi-skilled jobs wages have been driven down to near minimum wage as
well.-----------Govt. taxing small business too much. Way too
many unnecessary regulations. And, yes, constantly raising the minimum wage such
that the "big players" such as Target and WalMart can absorb the forced
hike in wages, whereas small businesses cannot. This leads to too many small
business failures, thus making the WalMarts and Targets more prosperous as their
competition slowly dies. Over decades, this all leads to less economic
prosperity for the low wage earners and middle class. Also, an
over-abundance of cheap labor by the tens of millions in immigration (legal and
illegal) all leads to what you say: "semi-skilled jobs wages have been
driven down to near minimum wage as well".Think about it.
Progressive ideas are hurting the lower wage earners and middle class, NOT
Raising the minimum wage puts more people in poverty. Here is an example.
Let's say a person is earning $12 per hour, and the minimum wage increases
from $7.25 to $10.50 per hour. This is an increase of $3.25 per hour. which is
equal to about a 20% increase. Basic math says we can expect about a 20%
increase is prices, since employers are going to pass the cost of paying their
employees on to their customers. So unless employers who are paying $12
suddenly start paying $14.40 per hour or higher, the $12 an hour employee just
got poorer. Easy math $12 x 1.20% = $14.40. That is the problem for the poor,
the lower middle class, & the middle class. It is not just the employees
making $12 it hurts. You can make $30 per hour and it still reduces your actual
buying power if the minimum wage increases.
Troutstalker: You must not be doing a very good job of advertising your
position. There are so many reasons not to raise the minimum wage
that we could go over that for days. There are also many reasons why it would
be helpful for those struggling to make it. I would like to point
out that our educational system is supposed to prepare our children to be
employable, but instead, they want to teach sex education and other social
issues.I would also like to point out that there are MANY people who
simply don't get it when it comes to preparing themselves for a productive
(employable) life, preferring instead to party, do drugs, and hang out. These
people then cry that they need someone else to take the responsibility to
provide for them. In very fact, this is precisely what is happening in Salt
Lake City and their providing housing for the homeless.I don't
wish to sound heartless, and we should always be willing to lend a HELPING HAND
to those who are willing to do what they can to help themselves. BUT, a person
strung out on drugs will only continue to keep doing drugs as long as it is made
possible for them to do so.
I don't know about Utah, but in other states the time where minimum wage
job earners were teenagers is passed. The majority of minimum wage earners are
adult. In California, you see many elderly working at fast food establishments.
For them it's more than a minimum wage; it's a living wage. Many of
the better paying semi-skilled jobs wages have been driven down to near minimum
wage as well.
Funny how Seattle and Portland are experiencing huge booms in automation after
raising their minimum wages.And all those poor people who had jobs
suddenly have a wage of 0. Hey, it made a liberal feel good,
though. That's all that matters, isn't it? Certainly not the real
world consequence of their idiotic economic policies. Besides, all those poor
people trying to get a job now are back on welfare where they belong: shackled
to the Government slave machine and voting Democrat.
If you want a raise, should you a) whine and cry to a politician until they pass
a law forcing your employer to pay you more than you are worth, or b) make
yourself more valuable? The way you answer that question says a lot
about who you are.
If raising the minimum wage helps poor people, then why not raise it to
$1,000/hr.? Then, we would all be rich!!!
If an employee is worth more than minimum wage, then they should demand more! If
their current boss denies them a raise, then they can go elsewhere. That is the
beauty of the free market. If they are not worth more than they are
being paid, then an increase in the minimum wage will cause them to lose their
job. Every day, business owners have to decide if they should
automate or hire humans. Think of the ordering kiosks at restaurants as an
example. When ignorant politicians with good intentions increase wages beyond
the market rate, it makes the decision to automate very easy.
The solution is not government regulated wages. The solution is to promote
organized labor and allow the unions to freely and independently negotiate wages
and employee benefits. Capitalism greed has effectively killed the unions and
put the workers begging in the streets.
Minimum wage laws hurt the very people they are designed to protect. In the short term, any employee who is not worth the higher wage will be
fired. The poorest workers will become unemployed and forced into illegal work
(drugs/prostitution/theft/robbery), or welfare. In the long term,
the mandated higher wages will increase costs and decrease sales, causing
businesses to close doors and more people will lose jobs. Those businesses
healthy enough to stay open will have costs increase, and they will necessarily
raise prices. This inflation will reduce the buying power of the higher wages,
and we are back where we started, only with higher unemployment.
$15 an hour minimum wage sounds great!That way all of those
education majors in college won't have to spend 4 years of tuition money to
get a starting wage in the low 30k range.PS UtahTroutStocker - where
are you hiring?
I would love to see lower income people make more money and be able to have a
better standard of living.My biggest concern is all of the help
wanted signs in all of the fast food and small restaurants offering $11 an hour
and sometimes $12 an hour now. They seem to be having a hard time finding
people to fill those positions.Currently we have 5 entry level
positions open that start at $48,000 per year with 6% 401K match, health
benefits, generous earned time off and other perks. We have only had 1
interview in 2 months for the openings.Something don't jive.
Someone working in Utah deserves to be paid what their education and experience
are. Why should I go to school when I can make about the same by not going to
@dolce.You are right. This is a moral issue.Raising the
minimum wage destroys job opportunities for teenagers, and the lowest-skilled
workers--the poorest people in Utah. At a minimum, it is deceptive to say that
this helps poor people.
Why not go to an even $20 ($41,600)?Or $30 ($62,400)?What about a
nice $50 ($104,000)?A private business owner knows what it takes to
run, be profitable (trigger warning), pay enough to keep the good employees,
& be competitive (another trigger warning) in the market.If the
employee is not happy, they can look elsewhere. They are not held to that work
by shackles & chains.
Raising the minimum wage is the correct thing to do. It passes on to consumers
the cost of lifting out of subsistence living those who are willing to work. It
stimulates demand by providing more spendable income. Will it have some negative
consequences? Yes, most legislation does, but the positives out weigh the
I'm sorry, but Lynn Hemingway needs to take a basic economics course. The
minimum wage is now, and will always be, $0. It's the amount someone makes
who is priced out of a job. If your skill set is such that you can't do
much more than ask, "Do you want fries with that?" and the minimum wage
is higher, employers will resort to using machines to ask that question? A
higher minimum wage makes employment and gaining job skills more difficult for
an increasingly larger portion of the population. In addition, it also forces
employers to change their business model and/or raise prices. This is simply bad
policy and may become bad law.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem;
government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe
that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government
by an elite group is superior to government for, by, & of the people. Well,
if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the
capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in & out of
government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with
no one group singled out to pay a higher price."– Pres. Ronald
Reagan, Inaugural Address, 20-Jan-1981
If we're going to mandate behavior here, let's mandate that
legislators take basic economics before attempting to control wages and prices.
Perhaps at the very least we won't be subjected to them calling the act of
purchasing food or paying rent an "investment,"
Kill this bill! This is a socialist idea. This is not a moral issue. This is an
economic issue. Minimum wage jobs were never supposed to sustain a family. They
are to get a person through high school and advanced education to then earn a
living wage. Simple economics, raise wages raise cost. Overall sales would drop
and then the business would layoff workers or close the doors. So how does this
help? Also those that are on fixed income would spend less. Let employeers
decide what they want to pay their employees. Let economics help the employer
decide, not the government. If you want $15 minimum wage move to California or
If we want to use government to raise people out of poverty then why don't
we provide serious addiction recoveryOn a massive scale.
This anti-youth legislation should never pass.We need to stop electing
people who do not understand economics!We have legislators who believe
there is always more money in our pockets for tax increases and that businesses
don't pay more because all employers are greedy.I get so tired of
people who tell me I need to pay more attention to science in other areas but
they pretend that there is no science to economics.
If the average annual cost-of-living increase is 3%, then why would we want to
increase minimum wage nearly 37%? And to double it in 6 years? When I started
working at McDonalds in the early 1990s, the minimum wage was $4.25. I
understood it was not a job that I would turn into a career (unless I wanted to
be a manager) and that not all jobs should be max-pay jobs that would allow me
to live off of. Forcing all jobs to earn a "living wage" discourages
upward movement. It's not about whether I value the
individual—it's about the type of work they do and the level of
training required to do that job. One of the most demoralizing thing we can do
to people is discourage improvement and betterment. There is nothing so
demoralizing as stagnating and not learning to better yourself.
What I dislike is that employers want some kind of a certificate, associates
degree or higher, and then they still want to pay a lower wage. It happened all
the time where I worked. People would get advanced education and then employers
would call and ask who the best student was and then offered minimum wage. How
If minimum wage hits $15 then a Big Mac hits $7. Sorry, but I'm not going
to pay double for a burger or anything because a teenager needs to make $15 an
hour. If you're an adult only able to get minimum wage jobs, what have you
done to prepare yourself to be worth more than minimum wage. Learn a trade.
Finish your GED. Go to a job fair. I saw yesterday where Arby's is hiring
in Murray for $10 an hour. And that's for any flunky that walks in off the
street. If you want to make more, be worth more.
For the forgotten in the U.S. barely above poverty,nowhere near middle
class..."The Working Class Poor" 10.25 an hour would be a blessing. We
work sun up to sun down garden, can, and still I have a hard time feeding my
kids first, then my husband, and many nights I go without just to make sure they
get enough to grow and have the strength to work. I run a small biz from home
so that I can ALWAYS be here for my kids. 10.25/hr I could pay every bill every
month instead of having to pick and choose. We help others in need, if we have
it to give we do. It always comes back 10 fold. But if you are griping about a
pay increase how about we switch budgets and incomes for a month an see how well
you do...8.75 40/hr a week (husband) and my measly 200-250 a month,2 boys with
voracious appetites (13 & 15) Any takers?
Raising the minimum wage to $15 is basically legislating away summer jobs for
I've seen a lot of people say raising the minimum wage will just lead to
companies raising prices but I've never seen an actual study that supports
or refutes that belief. A quick skim over Wikipedia shows mixed findings of
raising the minimum wage on unemployment but those effects are very small, if
any. I'm also curious why we don't tie minimum wage to
inflation (at least resetting every few years). The last time the minimum wage
was raised was 2009. Inflation has been small since then but prices have gone
up. Maybe raising the minimum wage is more a response to increase prices instead
of the cause.
$10.25 is not unreasonable. Raising the wage to $15.00 is. How about this.
It would only apply to workers eighteen and above. Teenagers working to earn
spending money don't need it. When I was in HS I started out $1.60 bagging
groceries at the Macey's store in Logan and I did just fine.
This is a moral issue. To pay less than a living wage is to regard another
human being solely from the standpoint of economics, not as a human being. The
more we become accustomed to viewing our brothers and sisters from a standpoint
that does not acknowledge their humanity, the greater the inhumanity of which we
are capable as a society. Only by viewing the Jewish population of continental
Europe from a standpoint other than their humanity was Adolf Eichmann able to
prosecute the holocaust with such ruthless efficiency. Yes, there is an
enormous difference between paying a non-living wage and perpetrating a
holocaust, but it is the same underlying principal at play. For
those arguing morality cannot be legislated, I would agree. However, we have a
moral obligation to enact laws that protect citizens from abuse. Just as we
cannot legislate morality, but can promulgate laws against rape, so too, we can
enact laws against the economic exploitation and psychological abuse of a
non-living wage. Rep. LaVarr Christensen argues government cannot guarantee
"every social outcome." True again, but there is a lot government
policy can do to either hinder or foster outcomes.
If you want to earn more than minimum wage, you need to be worth more than
minimum wage.As others have noted, when businesses are forced to pay
more for their low-skilled workers they simply cut positions and raise prices.
In the end, it becomes a lose/lose situation for those earning the minimum wage
as there are fewer jobs available and prices go up.Learn a trade
skill, study a foreign language, earn a degree — just learn to do
something that sets you apart from the rest of the workers.While
there is nothing wrong with flipping hamburgers or rolling up burritos; those
jobs have never paid much and never will.
For the life of me, I can't imagine anyone," he said, with "the
capacity who would ever knowingly pay so little and treat someone so
heartlessly."Boy, someone has not worked in the real world for
big corporations very much, have they?
We should raise it to $8.50 and then require a mandatory annual vote on the min
wage wherein the legislature can ONLY raise the minimum no more than .25% of the
current minimum wage per year.
We need to stop limiting people's wages. Why on earth would you want a
minimum wage? Start paying people what they are worth and quit holding good
workers down to a minimum level. Also, as a business owner, I do not
pay anyone minimum wage. My employees make on average $5 more per hour than
minimum. Why in the world would I want to be surrounded by workers that believe
they are only worth a minimum amount?
I was a small business owner for 34 years and can speak from experience. I
despise governments tampering with the economy. I if I am not smart enough to
pay decent wages to attract decent employees, then I do not deserve to be
successful and I certainly do not need government telling me how much to pay
workers. No one is forced to work for minimal wages except maybe those very poor
performers. I usually paid 15-16 yr olds at the minimum wage rate. Adults always
received higher wages and raises always based on merit.
The biggest downward pressure on incomes, especially for the poor, comes from
illegal immigration and cash pay under the table.
Raise it to $25 an hour and send all the jobs to India and China. All a minimum
wage does is increase unemployment, especially among teenagers. Businesses
can't afford to hire a trainee teenager with little skills for $10 an hour.
Do we really need a bunch of unemployed teenagers running around all summer)
Stupid idea. Cut business payroll taxes and see good jobs increase. The only way
to get a raise is to have another company willing to hire you for higher pay. It
is called leverage.
And I thought it was the oligarchy that we are developing into as a nation. But
all along it was so the saps demanding a higher wage than $7.50 an hour.
I know that poorer workers will think this is a great idea, but if you will
actually look at what happens, you will find that you lose ground rather than
gain it. Businesses raise prices and in the end, you have less spendable
income. The state gets a little more tax. This would be a good thing for the
Deseret News staff to report on. Do poor people do better after a minimum wage
hike and if so how much better, and if not, why not. I've lived long
enough to see more spread in poor/rich and I think this is one of the conditions
that widens the gap.