Chaffetz reaches out to State School Board over bill to 'terminate' Department of Education

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  • Homer1 MIDVALE, UT
    Feb. 12, 2017 9:41 p.m.

    This idea of eliminating reflects the anti-public and anti-government sentiments of many. I'm not sure why a board member seems to have no idea what the Department does let alone understand the Constitution. Laws are passed and the executive branch executes them, sometimes with rules and regulations that require oversight, compliance, employees, budgets, etc. For federal laws about education that work was previously done by HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare) until the Carter administration. So eliminate the department to make some tea partier feel good but someone still needs to do the job of governing. This one sentence bill to abolish the Department of Education almost seems like a frat-boy prank to stick it to the man (Let's abolish the RA!). I don't see any serious consideration for what happens at the federal level with education, civil rights, and support for Title I students, for example. I wish Chaffetz would show us the hard work of governing instead of the easy work of shutting things down.

  • Homer1 MIDVALE, UT
    Feb. 12, 2017 9:36 p.m.

    The pessimism of many of these comments is disheartening. Education is worse than 50 years ago, really? We do more with our students, we accomplish more, we educate more, and we know more about education than we ever have. I know that sometimes we view the present through the nostalgiac eyes of our 15 year old selves as we think about schools. Those kids of color, those kids with disabilities or learning problems, those poor kids who need more support than others? Well, they didn't exist in our idealized vision of what used to be because they were filtered out. We didn't see them so we think things were somehow better then. We educate them all and we passed laws to guarantee those equal rights. Not sure why that would bother anyone and why would anyone think that's unconstitutional.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 12, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    I think the thrust of these comments in general is misleading. Reading these comments one would think there is no local control of schools and we have a completely nationalized school system.

    In fact give up the federal money and you can pretty much do what you want with your schools.

    Another fact is America fell behind in it's educational system in the '70s with a completely localized system. So our current situation is not the corruption of a great system by the federal government but rather the failure of federal programs of equality, standardized testing, and funding to have the desired effect on an all ready faltering system.

    This is not dissimilar from the experience we've had with the ACA where we have tried to overlay federal reforms on a private faltering system without magnificent results. Most success in health care has been state systems reformed to include private options.

    Likewise the stated educational successes are state standardized systems with private options in some cases.

    Japanese schools incorporate a national curriculum created by the Japanese Ministry of Education.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 10, 2017 10:53 p.m.

    I absolutely agree with this. While they are at it, how about reducing the tax burden we have for supporting this wasteful department.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 10, 2017 10:15 p.m.

    It is undeniable that education achievement in the U.S. has steadily declined in the last 50 years.
    Most of that time education has been under the thumb and diktat of the federal Department of Education.

    Insanity has been described as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Well, we have been doing things the DOEd way for nearly 50 years and see the poor results, and the costs mandated by Washington to comply with their rules. It is long past time to abolish this costly bureaucracy and its rules, and allows the states to excel again.

    If some Utah State School Board members don't think they can do the job without direction from Washington, it is time for them to resign and replace them with people who can get the job done.

    We need to support (and pay well) good teachers in classrooms; fire the few ineffective ones, eliminate bloated staffs, break the monopoly of the teachers unions, and base education on knowledge learned, not accumulated seat time.

    Getting rid of the Department of Education is an excellent first step.

    Bravo Chaffetz!

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Feb. 10, 2017 8:28 p.m.

    JSB - vouchers give parents a say in what kind of school their children attend, really? So are you saying parents don't have a say now? Or is it the old issue of give me tax money to pay for my kids to go to private schools so I don't have to pay the whole bill?
    Unconstitutional here in Utah. And if the US DEpt of Ed is unconstitutional then so is any federal effort to use tax dollars for private education.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 10, 2017 8:01 p.m.

    Utah provided rock solid education even in poor districts, spending a lot less money per student (even after adjusting for inflation) when we had fewer mandates and meddling from DC. I attended 12 years of public school in a poor, rural area of Utah before the DoE was made a cabinet position by Carter.

    We received a very good education from excellent teachers who cared a lot more about students than the union.

    If Atlanta, Boston, or Detroit need federal oversight to avoid racism, so be it. Utah does not.

    Eliminate the Dept of Edu.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2017 6:39 p.m.

    I know some auditors for the DoEd. They say they are shocked at the inequities among states in the level of attention to minority students. Only federal pressure has been at least somewhat effective in changing that.

    Leave education solely to the states and watch us go back to the good ol' days of "separate but equal." Give a block grant to Utah? Every dollar will go into the pockets of the "friends of legislators" who push one fraudulent high-tech "innovation" after another.

    A good teacher with a few students is the ONLY kind of education that works. If only we could just fund that. . .

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 10, 2017 4:47 p.m.

    If getting rid of the Department of Education means getting rid of Ms. DeVos - go for it.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2017 4:36 p.m.

    Thank you Congressman Chaffetz. You are doing the job we asked you to do. Getting rid of the Dept. of Education is not only necessary, it is essential for our children and their future education. Thanks for doing you job! Keep up the good work.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 10, 2017 4:26 p.m.

    I agree with doing away with the Department of Education. Where in the constitution does it say that education is a federal responsibility? The taxpayer funded Education Department is an expensive bureaucratic mess. If the federal government does help fund education, block grants are a good idea but vouchers would be an even better idea. That would give parents some say in what kind of schools their children attend.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 10, 2017 3:41 p.m.

    Chaffetz finally figured out that most people see right through him. He says one thing in Utah and another in DC. Utah schools are deplorable. Getting rid of the Dept. of Education will just funnel more money to Utah politicians and their friends and ensure that Utah's public education remains at the bottom of the barrel. Shameful.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 10, 2017 3:26 p.m.

    Of course change is hard. The question is this -- is it needed? It seems logical that the Dept of Education in Wash DC is a mess. A large poorly run organization that has created one of the worst education systems in the world compared to Japan, India , China etc... Test scores prove it. So the Trump proposal was to return education to the states -- thus Utah would have its own department of education at the state level and if the state wanted to make that a union who cares. The cool thing about this is that each state can now create an education system that fits its states kids and their needs. Utah is much different than Mississippi...etc... Anyway this is all just common sense and I will admit that legislators do need to explain things clearly other wise unfounded fear enters in.