Utah lawmakers advance pushback resolutions on Bears Ears, Grand Staircase-Escalante monuments

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  • Hern1 Midvale, UT
    Feb. 4, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    The Monument process was not a last minute surprise. It took years of coalition building, communication and compromise. President Obama waited for the PLI to get ratified and when nothing came of it, he designated the same areas mentioned therein.
    ALL Utah residents have a stake in Bears Ears because the development politicians want is mainly mineral extraction and mining.
    Did we not just watch powerless as highly toxic water from the Gold King Mine in Colorado made its way to Utah aquifers in Glen Canyon?
    We are all connected by the air we breathe and the water we drink.
    What we do in one area affects the health of others miles and miles away. Stop reducing this issue to a squandered financial opportunity. There are many long term, good paying jobs to be had. But we don't explore those options because our leaders are too busy arguing ideological points.
    Last time I checked Utah was part of the United States. The federal government is our government. We are in charge of keeping all our leaders in check. No just the ones blaming Badgers for digging up Native American artifacts.

  • AndrewJackson New Harmony, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 7:32 p.m.

    The Federal government has over reached into Western States since they got Statehood. It is the people of Utah that have the rights to those lands. Nobody wants someone with little vested interest or who lives hundreds and thousands of miles away to dictate their rights of the land in their jurisdictions. Progressives are so quick to want to tell everyone what they should do with their lives, property and rights. Where is the concept of pro-Choice when it comes to your home lands? They speak with forked tongue.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 4:01 p.m.

    The Outdoor Retailer show brings in more money into the state in one year than the entire ranching community in San Juan has created since they arrived over a 100 years ago. Who has more leverage with our legislators? Why, the brethren with the big hats and the closet full of Indian artifacts, that's who.
    The Monument hasn't destroyed and won't destroy any jobs. You can't cite one fact to support that. Unless you're using alternative facts that is.
    These are America's public lands, and Utah lost its chance to influence the Monument process when Rob Bishop and Jason Chaffetz's bungled the PLI and tried to run out the clock on resolving the dispute.

  • nicole_louise14 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 3:42 p.m.

    Perhaps the Utah State constitution has some language that can be used against the local government, specifically article 3 , Ordinance

  • tryingtosmile salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 12:19 p.m.

    They state they will protect the native wishes. But where is the plan. The PLI only said trust us. Where and why haven't they put something in place to protect the artifacts. Yeah the state did a good job when the residents in Blanding stole over 40,000 artifacts. All the legislatures did was yell that it was federal overreach. The dude killed himself and then the campaign began in ernst to blame his death on the overreach of the federal government... Why didn't he have to be held accountable to the tribes. Where was the city of Blanding and San Juan county proposing and showing how they will manage except to open it up to ALL ATV's, mineral extraction,and fence it all off. Like the Lyman Family did. No they want to pillage and not be caught again. No we don't trust the state. Phil Lyman, and Mike Noel prove that.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    It really comes down to a good portion of Utah residents do not trust our state government and the local government in the area to protect our mutual interest. We feel we have no voice with the state government. They pass laws in the middle of the night without public input, or pass laws against the public will. When they do have hearings like this they act like royalty that is humoring the peasants. They should be representing all of us; not those who give them campaign donations. I feel better having the federal government manage the land. I do not trust the local leaders around the monuments who feel public land belongs to them personally, and our state reps to protect the land. It is felt they will just sell it to a developer that has given them a huge campaign donation. and we will be locked out. If the state was responsive and answerable to fellow Utahans; of course I would want local-state control. Unfortunately they do pretty much whatever they want because they know they will be re-elected anyway. There seems to be more checks and balances with federal control of the land.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 10:48 a.m.

    @ Summit, you are just plain wrong. Locals have USED the lands, but the Federal government has gone to great lengths to protect and manage it.

  • Summit Park City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    This land has always been under jurisdiction of the federal government. BLM, now monument designation. Even so, it appears to have been protected primarily by local people who have the most interest. It is pristine because the locals have taken care of it and care about it. Put it back and let them continue doing the fine job that they have. Good for our legislators who can see that.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 8:44 a.m.

    The will of the people seems to be subordinate to the will of special interests.

    Want to test whether Utahns support which side? Have a public vote.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 8:15 a.m.

    All Utahns deserve a voice, even those not living on the Wasatch Front. I support land conservation and yet I am from rural Utah and have seen firsthand the devastation on families from not being able to find work in these beautiful areas, my own included. I've also seen the work locals put into conserving the land.

    Actually, the most disheartening thing has been on holidays when people visit and leave messes behind, trash and graffiti, etc. Most of those visitors are not local but from other places and appear to have no idea how to treat wilderness.

  • goodnight-goodluck S.L.C., UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 8:00 a.m.

    Just think of how much nicer all these areas will look once they have oil jacks, gas pad, and a few strip mines on them. But it's money. Trade our birthright for a mess of pottage.

  • Thomas Thompson SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    I'm glad the Legislature held a hearing on this, but I don't understand why the Legislative leaders think they can control the outcome of a National Monument designated by the President of the United States under the Antiquities Act. Last time I checked, the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States still constitute the supreme law of the land, thus a mere resolution from the Utah Legislature saying "we don't want it," has no effect. It might or might not be possible to "undo" the designation, but that would be up to the current President or to the Congress, would it not?

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 6:58 a.m.

    This statement should tell us everything,

    Noel Poe, with Escalante Partners, disputed those ill effects [jobs] and cited a string of new hotels and businesses opening in the region.

    So a job working in resource extraction or a related industry is worth the same to them as a motel mattress flipper or Starbucks barista? No wonder they were happy with Obama's economy.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 6:53 a.m.

    @homers
    The rural legislators stick their nose in salt lakes business all the time. You can't get through a legislative session without them rolling back a law that SLC has created. As for the speakers comment about how wasatch front people would feel different if it was land around them being locked up....I guess he forgot about locking up 100s of acres in salt lake with the unnecessary prison move.....

  • Cousineddy SLC, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 6:44 a.m.

    Obama truly knows how to leave things in a mess. I thank the legislature for reeling this back in. I realize it's difficult to stand up to the far left but it needs to happen. This should be a local decision and the majority of San Juan have been clear from the start.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 3, 2017 6:36 a.m.

    Mark me up as taxpaying citizen who is 100% for both monuments.

  • Timelapses Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 3:44 a.m.

    It was interesting looking at the pictures and reading the article that everyone that spoke for it had some special interests, government wise, in it while everyone that spoke against it was a citizen.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 2:14 a.m.

    I am 100% behind this movement to rescind the Bears Ears fiasco and reduction or elimination of the Stair Case thing. Furthermore, I feel that the ability for a president (any president) to pull a stunt like this in the future should be eliminated. Something of this magnitude should have public imput and then put to a vote OF THE PEOPLE.

  • dolce et decorum est Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2017 12:32 a.m.

    Schiozawa’s vote makes me proud to have him as my state senator.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Feb. 2, 2017 11:37 p.m.

    I think the issue is not about setting aside lands for the greater public but the method in which it is done. The needs of the many require the sacrifice of the few. But, it doesn't really. Since the many benefit they can compensate the few with better jobs and education over several generations to establish good jobs and incomes in those areas so more people will stay.

    I speak from my family's experience where my grandfather tried being one of the first park rangers on the North Rim of the Grand Canyon when it was first established. When he finally realized promises would not be kept our family and many others moved away because families could not be supported and land had been taken away and restricted reducing traditional income opportunities. And, we also have Native American heritage in that area and cherish that land, but can no longer practice our ceremonies or beliefs on that land.

  • Navajonative Blanding, UT
    Feb. 2, 2017 10:59 p.m.

    As a resident of san juan and a real grassroots native, im ashamed of my people that stand with beats ears. Mainly because they did not listen to any of the real utah Navajo's the ones who actually live in utah, nor did they explain what a monument truly does to our resources to our elders. These people that are for the monument are only monumentally misinformed about how we live in this area can we just make a poll for those for the monument and then put all their land together to equal out to 1.9 million acres and kick them out of it then they can find homes in states they think will listen to them???? Including our shameful people who have lied to our elders. These childish outburts from people who dont live here is appalling stop yelling and follow procedure like us poor natives who have been trampled on. Ty for ur time.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Feb. 2, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    Why do liberals think the federal government should own and control nearly every facet of our lives?? We have brains and were born free. Cherish your freedom and your pursuit of happiness. No centralized government will ever have your best interest in mind.

    The federal government already owns over 70% of the land in Utah. This is depressing and disheartening. Lets wake up and give the power back to the people and local governments and states.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Feb. 2, 2017 9:33 p.m.

    "Rep. Mike Noel, R-Kanab, proposes to shrink the 1.9 million-acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to no more than a half-million acres."

    This should also be the solution for the Obama's Ears monument. Don't rescind it. Just reduce it to a tiny fraction of what it is and it will be a permanent monument to the small-minded president who created it.

  • homers Provo, UT
    Feb. 2, 2017 9:12 p.m.

    I still find it fascinating that people on the Wasatch Front feel empowered to dictate to people in San Juan County how public lands will be managed. I was involved in the Mountain Accord process and not once did a citizen of San Juan County attempt to dictate outcomes to the people up here. Too bad the urban dwellers up here on the front don't offer the same courtesy to the people of San Juan County.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 2, 2017 9:02 p.m.

    What's the point of regressive politics? There is no longer a democracy in the US.
    In 100 years from now future generations will look at the area and wonder why on earth Utah politicians would ever retract a monument.
    These republicans are wrong yet again.

  • texas ranger Leeds, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2017 8:19 p.m.

    I go to Escalante in spite of the Monument, not because of it. I dont see what the Monument has done except make all the trails more crowded. I hope Escalante doesn't turn into the next Moab.