Remember the shut down of the Parks in Utah as ordered by Secretary Jewell 4
years ago? See This column from the Deseret News Government shutdown hit Utah
tourism for $30M. Oct. 24, 2013 2:50 p.m SALT LAKE CITY —
Utah's tourism industry took a $30 million hit from the partial federal
government shutdown that idled the state's popular national parks earlier
this month, the governor's chief economist said. Pictures showed
barriers put up by the the Forest Rangers to keep the taxpaying public out of
Zions and the other parks. Bad idea to let the Federal government keep control.
These snowflakes have been threatening to leave for years now.Just leave
Happy to wave good-bye to Black Diamond and the likes. They all claim ranchers
and mineral extractors are living on the "public lands dole" because
they don't pay fair market for their use. Yet ranchers and mineral
extractors pay to use the land and they pay taxes. What does the outdoor
recreation pay? Nothing. All those people use the public land for free.
Interestingly that they claim their entire industry livelihood is dependent on
public lands but couldn't care less about anybody elses livelihood. Very
I know this is the D-News, but you guys should wake up and realize that the vast
majority of Utahns are for the Bears Ears. People like "conservative
scientist" seem to enjoy recreating in places like Zion, but are oblivious
to the fact that Zion wouldn't exist if it were up to our current
"leaders". The BD boycotts are humorous, you don't account for
.0001% of their world wide sales. Go buy your gear at Wally World, it's not
like you go outside much anyway.
Let the states manage their own resources. Won't even think of buying black
diamond products again.
CMO Beaver said "lib crybaby... I will take my toys and go home"But its not even that--he seeks to hurt many and the state by
attempting to get the outdoor trade show to leave Utah.Some
California LGBT guy trying to hurt LDS with his commercials that arecoming to
Utah.And now this guy, trying to hurt the the outdoor/ Utah economy
in general with this nonsense. He's biting the very hand that feeds him.
lib crybaby... I will take my toys and go home
I would personally love nothing better than if a bunch of liberals quit visiting
Utah's national wonders altogether. I know tourism is important to those
local communities but it is so difficult to find a parking spot any any
trail-heads inside our national parks, national monuments, or even state parks
or to reserve a campground anymore. Being able to actually sit down on the
Zion shuttle system instead of having to stand would be welcome. After reading recent Deseret News articles about the severe problems that
people congestion is causing in both Springdale and in Moab, I think even those
in the tourism industry may be happy with a 20 or 30% decrease in visitors.
All those mad at Utah leaders over opposition to Bears Ears please go elsewhere
for your recreation and those of us in Utah will continue to enjoy the amazing
opportunities and scenery we have here in Utah.
The problem with people like Metcalf is they have a VERY narrow and limited view
of "public" lands. Instead letting everyone use the land they want to
lock it up, steal it from the state (unconstitutional taking) and deny that
there is any other use for the land. Bears Ears is unconstitutional because I
can't go on the land and take wood and plants etc. but the Indians can,
that's not equal treatment under the law - unconstitutional. The
Antiquities Act is unconstitutional in that the Fed gov't is not granted
control or ownership of sovereign state land and the Congress can't give
power to the President that do not have themselves.
Every time a wilderness issue raises it's head, someone from the ODR
threaten to pull out of the state. Think about it, if there was a
better economic model for them do you think that they would not move.
Economically they are stuck here in the state.Black Diamond came
here for the market, and the better work force. If he could do it else where he
would be gone in a New York minute.Did you ever notice the retailers
come to Utah when air quality is at its worse, both winter and summer. Why do
we want their pollution brought to our valley.
I just started a buycott of Black Diamond.
Bishops bill would have helped maybe 3-4% of Utah. He wanted a back door for the
1% to acquire and lock up the land. Most polls I have seen show the
support at 50% among Utahns. Utah loses the outdoor show, and it's outdoor
activities, and we will lose more than the royalties from the oil and gas
industry. Many of our leaders think recreation activities stop at
the city rec center and park. We don't all have a family home and our own
canyon up Provo canyon.
I live here in Blanding and i am very glad to see so many that are willing to
speak out against Black Diamond for there short sightedness. Thanks for helping
everyone understand what we are up against. I am glad that our community,
county, state and federal representatives have listened to the people of Utah.
Utah has some of the best people in the owrld living here and we can make our
own products and clothing and dont need big companies like Black Diamond pushing
us around and bullying us.
After years and years of hearings, Bishop couldn't get his PLI through even
a Republican Congress. Orchids to you, Mr. President for taking the
initiative and protecting that sublime landscape. And orchids to you
too, Mr. Metcalf, but the semi-educated realtors who run this state will never
listen, because all they see when they look at a piece of land is dollar signs.
Onions to them.
liberalism=intoleranceWe are seeing this intolerance from folks on
the left in every aspect of our lives. Maybe you oughta look in the mirror and
give your head a shake. Meanwhile the national day of the intolerant minority
looks to be on Jan 20th. Give them all a teddie bear and a comfort blankie.
The rest of us gotta show up for work.
Heck, I'm not even from Utah, but still...no more black diamond for me or
Good for him, his business counts on outdoor activities and camping. Any attempt
by the state to restrict land use and fishing is an attack on his livelihood.
Closing land for business hurts other business, it's as simple
as that. Do we want Utah's treasures and outdoor life auctioned off to the
Every time "big recreation" comes to Salt Lake one or more of their big
shots insists on making some sort of demands with threats of leaving if their
demands are not met.I am not sure if that qualifies as extortion or
blackmail, or just spoiled kids throwing a temper tantrum.If they
want to leave, they are free to go. But, if they go to the wilderness paradise
they demand of us, they will find that the public cannot go there. If they want
bigger facilities, they will not be minutes from mountains or ski slopes. If
they want more hotels, ditto.Life is full of compromises, and if you
cannot compromise then we won't miss you and your perpetual demands and
That's rich. An east coast lib encourages economic punishment to Utah
because he knows better than the majority of Utahns, who don't agree with
his wisdom.Blacklist Black Diamond folks. Give em a taste of their
Yeah, and rock climbers thought the church shouldn't be allowed to quarry
rock from land it owned for the Conference Center. We all know how that turned
Is Mr Metcalf aware of the State's efforts to protect the same land in the
Bear's Ear Minument? Obama's designation included less land than
Bishop proposed. As Herbert said, it wasn't the designation that was
offensive, but the process. Metcalf's ignorance undermines his
See you later! Don't really care if the door hits you on the way out
Well, was going to buy Black Diamond trekking poles for the AT Trail, next year
just to support a local Utah company--even though they have terrible customer
support compared to Leki.Guess this dude with his bash to Utah just
made my decision easier.Leki, here I come.
I keep hearing that the majority of Utah people are against the National
Monument. Well, I'm for it. I disa
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Who put this guy in charge of public lands policy? Why is he getting all he
media coverage? I hope this all blows over quickly, just like "hey, the
election is over now so let's get on with life." It's pretty easy
to be against something---anything---these days, isn't it?
p.s. I'm an outdoor enthusiast. No more Black Diamond for me.
So Peter wants to use Utah's unique outdoors to make profits for his
company, but doesn't want to give back to the State that feeds him because
of a political vendetta? The decision has been made. Move on.
Good riddance Black Diamond, never heard of you, won't miss you.
The Bears Ears area has been raped and pillaged over the years by individuals
that don't respect the beauty and history of the land. There are many that
are looking short sided at lost revenue from possible energy and oil development
instead of looking long term with the millions of dollars that will be earned by
visitors to that region from all over the world. I have not spoken
to ONE person that lives in our state that doesn't want these lands
protected! Stop to politicization of OUR public lands. We need preserve the
history and the beauty without allowing the development and destruction of the
area.The Antiquities Act is how the state of Utah received the
designation and protection of our 5 national parks! There is way too much
special interest involved by our state officials in the energy industry for any
of them to be making an impartial and educated opinion on what's best for
the people of Utah, America, and the entire world to enjoy this special area of
@wyomex;"That's all the governor is saying, Pete. Bear Ears was a
last-minute sneaky political move without the candor we love in the
west."Last minute? Utah was given 3 years to come up with an
alternative plan. Sally Jewel came here to hash out a compromise. Rob
Bishop's PLI was laden with gifts to developers & extraction industry
"donors". Do some research. Utah politicians got what they deserved.
They're lucky President Obama didn't name another National Monument.
Won't be purchasing from Black Diamond anymore!!!
Black Diamond was never that great anyway. I won't miss buying their
products. No, I am not trying to make a political statement and neither should
Completely agree with Vermonter - Here's another prime example of the
liberal mentality that if one does not agree 100% with their positions, then the
only recourse is ostracism and boycotts. When it comes to public land debates,
I have yet to see a situation where SUWA, Metcalf and their ilk work to seek
collaborative solutions with others with different viewpoints but rather insist
on forcing their will upon all.In regard to Metcalf's
prediction of an economic boon to the region 20 years hence, history has shown
otherwise. Similar prognostication was voiced with the Escalante Grand
Staircase Monument 20 years ago. By most accounts, the promise of economic
prosperity has proven to be empty.What Metcalf and similarly
positioned others really seek are private play grounds that keeps everyone else
out except the worthy elite. With proper involvement and oversight,
including locals, there is much opportunity to find solutions to meet myriad
uses of public land.
"said the lucrative trade gathering should leave the state because of top
leaders' political opposition to the Bears Ears National Monument."No worries, not that I agree with Utah's political leaders, but
Black Diamond can be boycotted much easier than the state of Utah!Does he really think this will send any type of message but I'm going to
hurt the many because I disagree with the few? How about he put his profits to
work opposing those he disagrees with? I'm not feeling the high road here,
more like he has an agenda and took this opportunity to push it.I
would support Utah's political leaders passing a bill to ban Black Diamond
equipment in the state of Utah. Of course, easy for me since I only visit and
don't vote there.
Peter Metcalf is from New York City. Folks, most people from the
coasts just see things differently than native westerners. Give him some slack.
Those New Yorkers are blustery talkers.So Pete disagrees with a lot
of smart people who have lived here all their lives and who have dealt with land
issues on an intimate basis. Does he know more than they?So Pete
agrees with the heavy hand of back-room, eleventh hour politics - little to no
public discussion, debate or hearing the sensitivities of locals. Maybe
that's how they do it in New York or New Jersey, but here in the west we
like transparency, openness and discussion.That's all the
governor is saying, Pete. Bear Ears was a last-minute sneaky political move
without the candor we love in the west.
This amounts to blackmail and an adult tantrum—all rolled into one!
Does he know most utah residents oppose bears ears.If they pull out, they
will lose my business.
@golong You mean like when Lyman Family Farms bought some Utah Trust Land next
to Bears Ears and cut off access to it? No one will be denied access to
National Monuments, or National Parks, or BLM land. Unless they are sold to the
Does Peter Metcalfe have children in Utah schools who will miss out on the lost
revenues and alternative benefits from the seized school trust lands? Is he even
a Utah parent?What does this executive have against people wanting
to do small, personal geological rock collection, open camping, small campfires,
or limited-use ATV permits for disabled veterans (all activities now outlawed in
wholesale fashioned on this land) that he cannot abide Utah state leaders
wanting to represent their citizen's use of the land? Why is he against the
broad effort of inclusion that the state leaders wanted instead of the
unilateral, executive action to seize land-use from Utahns? How does
this executive justify the reasoning that all such meaningful use of the land
should be shut down except for those uses that coincide with his marketing
images and expensive outdoor and fashion products for the trendy consumer?
The Federal Government is not listening to what the people of Utah want. They
have moved ahead with public land initiatives at the expense of the people who
live here and do the most to help maintain these lands.It is a shame
that the co-founder of Black Diamond is making such a call after Utah has
supported him and his founded company to status, wealth and fame. One would
think that Utah's interests would play a larger role. But, perhaps even
though Black Diamond is head quartered in Salt Lake, its holdings in China,
Europe, and elsewhere may hold more importance than Utah. While Black Diamond
claims to support several non-profit (tax loophole?) organizations, how much of
those dollars actually make it directly into the Utah infrastructure?Please be more supportive of Utah. Utah loves the lands, maintains the lands
where allowed, and wants these lands to benefit all people for generations to
come. "Black mail" type threats are not the way to obtain a great future
for the people.
I don't think I will be buying any more black diamond gear.
Can't help but think about the intolerance for different ideas. Metcalf and
others see one way to manage public lands. If you merely disagree with Metcalf,
environmental groups like the Sierra Club, and President Obama, they want
nothing to do with you and want to exclude you entirely from the decision-making
process. That attitude is ripping our nation apart.
...and why is it so "critical" to "protect" more and more of
Utah's land? Single issue organizations like environmental groups are
unable to defend the argument why some huge swath of Utah (or any other state)
land must be cordoned off and made available only to the wealthy and the elite
leftists who drive these campaigns. Somehow, over the past 125 years, all this
land has been protected, is in great condition, and everybody has access to it.
Why must it be isolated? Nobody knows, nobody can say why, only that
environmentalists under their environmental religion make that issue an act of
passage into their group. Please, leave us and our state alone, we're doing
just fine without you.
Herbert and his GOP cohorts in the Legislature say one thing and do another.
Actions speak louder than words and their actions are going to cost the state
the OR convention and industry jobs. Colorado will be happy to benefit from