Another term? Surely that is a joke. He can't be serious. During his
tenure in Washington's-good-ole-boy club he has participated in spending to
where our national debt is increasing a mere $630,720,000.00 (yes million) every
............(are you ready for this?).........EVERY DAY!!!!!!! He lost me
when he co-sponsored with Ted the amnesty-without-enforcement for illegals in
1986. Now in 2017 we have more illegals than ever (around 20 million, who
knows for sure?) in spite of the promises made in 1986 with the "Amnesty to
end all Amnesties". Viva LEGAL immigration.
I find it interesting on what Senator Hatch chooses not to talk about.Tell
me what has he said about Russian hacking and its impact on the last election?
Did we miss something? Has he said anything about the settlement issue in
To say that Orrin Hatch is focused on local issues is laughable. Senator Hatch
is so steeped in Beltway culture that he has almost forgotten that Utah is his
home state. The only time he really pays attention to us is every six years
when he comes back to hoodwink us into giving him another term. Then it is back
to his real home turf.It is long past time that we called him home.
This last election cycle showed once again who he is really working for. If we
fail to recognize his inability to govern and his lack of true perspective, and
we send him back for yet another failed term in office simply because he tells
us again "I've been there a long time" then we have only ourselves
Last election Hatch said it was his last election. Hold him to it.
Both are bad berry berry bad.
@SG in SLC - 5:22 p.m."The Republican convention will stick with
Hatch"...---How do you know that? Just because you say so?Support for Hatch last time at caucus meetings was very low. I think
most people there were only willing to respect his "Last Time" pledge,
and give him one last chance and not embarrass him by yanking him like we did
Bennett. But his support at caucus meetings is going down, not up. There
were lots of anti-Hatch people last time. There will be more this time (if he
breaks his promise to not run again).I think you have it backwards.
Hatch is at more risk of loosing at Convention than anywhere else. If he gets
past convention and is nominated for the Party-Primary he may win (depends on
who else advances). If he gets past the Party-Primary he will for sure win the
General Election (Because so many Utahns vote for the Republican on the ballot
automatically).So his chances actually get better after Convention.
His biggest challenge will be getting selected at Convention (IF he runs).
There will be tons of anti-Trump delegates sent to convention IF he runs.
Ronald Reagan had switched to the Republican party before running for Governor
of California. He first became famous for his conservatism for a speech in favor
of Goldwater's presidential candidacy in 64. Reagan spoke as a conservative
but governed as a moderate. Richard Nixon also spoke as conservative, but
governed as a liberal.
"The Republican convention will stick with Hatch. Huntsman has to make it to
a primary to get the nomination." -Roland KayserI think you are
probably right, though I also believe that Huntsman would probably go the
"convention + ballot signatures" route, like Gov. Herbert did in
2016.Jon Huntsman, Jr. is actually a little too conservative for my
liking (I prefer a "Senator Jim Matheson", personally), but Huntsman is
fairly pragmatic and less of an ultracon ideologue than virtually anyone else
likely to come out of the state GOP convention, so I could probably live with
him as a Plan-B alternative to Senator Matheson.
I don't want to see this flick. If it is playing, I don't want to
bring popcorn. Can I bring tomatoes instead? I don't like
either one of them. The only campaign t-shirt that has not turned
into a gardening/workout t-shirt is Mike Lee's. There has to be another
decent conservative in this state. We just need to find him, or her.
"What does it matter what people would call Reagan today? That's not
the topic. Don't know how we got off on that tangent."Really? You see that as a tangent. Let me connect the dots for you.Reagan is held up constantly as the patron saint of the GOP and
conservatism.Why does it matter that it was 45 years ago? To this day, he
is the standard bearer.The point is that some in the party have
shifted so far to the right that even Reagan would be called a RINO by todays
GOP base. "And why do you care who is more like Reagan? You
hate Reagan (from some of your past posts about him)."Find ONE.
I have commented many times on this board that I thought Reagan was a good
president. You so want me to be a left wing liberal. When all the time I have
told you repeatedly that I voted R in every presidential election except
recently."And why do you care who the Republicans pick?
That's kinda up to them, isn't it?"Of course it is up to
them. But it affects everyone, including me. So, I care. "I
don't want Hatch again."I thought you were an independent. Why
are you weighing in?
@JoeBlow,What does it matter what people would call Reagan today?
That's not the topic. Don't know how we got off on that tangent.It also doesn't matter who is more like Reagan (Mike Lee or Ted
Cruz or Jon Huntsman Jr). That's irrelevant. Reagan was 45 years ago
people!And why do you care who is more like Reagan? You hate Reagan
(from some of your past posts about him).And why do you care who the
Republicans pick? That's kinda up to them, isn't it?Don't know why Democrats think it's THEIR job to approve the
Republican nominee, or comment on who the Republican nominees should be. I
would never pretend it was my job to approve your candidates, or pretend you had
to please me with who you pick. I don't care who you pick.If
Republicans want Hatch again... that's their business.I
don't want Hatch again. But I don't pretend Republicans have to make
me happy. Republicans don't have to worry about picking a candidate that
makes me or you or other Democrats happy.You pick the Democrat
candidates. Let them pick their candidates.
"To "Frozen Fractals" you are wrong. Reagan would not be called a
RINO if he ran today. Your ilk would call him an extremist."I'm pretty sure he was referring to your ilk.Jon Huntsman Jr
is much more similar to Reagan than Mike Lee or Ted Cruz.
I don't want either one of them.Hatch is out of touch, and
Huntsman burned too many bridges when he ran for President.What we
need is somebody like Mike Lee that has principles and sticks to them. Huntsman
has shown that he just goes with the political winds.To "Frozen
Fractals" you are wrong. Reagan would not be called a RINO if he ran today.
Your ilk would call him an extremist.
@Frozen Fractals11:12RE: "Reagan would be called a RINO if he were
alive and running today"...---Who cares what he would be
called?You guys put way too much importance in labeling people.
And applying your stereotypes once your labels have been affixed.Reagan was liberal in many ways (amnesty, taxes, spending). But he was
Conservative in others, (strong military, strong America, don't back down
to terrorists, Iran, Russia, free-market economics, etc).If you
google his political history, you will learn he was both a Democrat and a
Republican at different times in his life.He ran as a liberal
Democrat in California (when he became Governor of CA).He ran as a
Republican for President.Wikipedia:"Originally a liberal
Democrat, Reagan ran for the U.S. presidency as a Republican and won two terms,
beginning in 1980, ultimately becoming a conservative icon over the ensuing
decades"...So affixing the correct labels, and applying your
stereotypes to him is useless. He was both. That's what was so cool
about him IMO.I think we would all be served better if we spent less
time labeling people and applying our stereotypes for the label.
Reagan would be called a RINO if he were alive and running today.
There will most likely be no Hatch vs. Huntsman Jr. race... so why comment on
something that won't happen? And if it does... who cares?
Hatch said he won't run, so if he does... doesn't mean we have to pay
attention to him. He's way to old now IMO. I don't care how
important his appointments are to Utah or the Nation, somebody else can do them.
Wasn,t this going to be his last term? Or will he serve until he dies? He has
to be replaced sometime, there are other Utah residents qualified.
No RINO senators. Both if these guys should not be senator.
@Pipes "I have nothing but respect for Huntsman Sr. Nothing but disdain for
Huntsman Jr."And why would this be? Reflects conservative
thinking, one is either all good or all bad, saintly or evil, worthy or
despicable. This is not reality. In today's international
world, Huntsman Jr has a whole lot more to offer than Hatch. Mind
you, as a socialist I'm not really excited by big shot capitalists like
either of the Huntsmans. But we have to get on with things, and Huntsman Jr
offers a lot to the system.
I think it is long past that Senator Hatch retire. The only voices he's
hearing to run for an 8th term are coming from the Big Pharmaceutical Profiteers
Lobby who need a senator with seniority as well as rank to equate the power they
need to allow for more $600 Epi-pens. His son Scott has been a lobbyist for the
Pharmaceutical Profiteers for over 15 years. What integrity?
The Republican convention will stick with Hatch. Huntsman has to make it to a
primary to get the nomination.
Huntsman can't finish. He walked away as Governor, then as ambassador.
I have nothing but respect for Huntsman Sr. Nothing but disdain for Huntsman
Jr. I agree that Hatch needs to keep his promise and not run. We need a third
"He's also a bit too left leaning to be a Republican"No, he might be "a bit tool left leaning" to be a conservative. He is too logical and reasonable to be a Republicans. I can
assure you that Huntsman is much more like Reagan than Donald Trump or Mike Lee
or Ted Cruz. The notion that moderates should not be running our government is
scary.But that is the new Republican Party.
I personally do not believe either has much integrity. hatch said this term
would be his last, but the allure of power seems to have taken control, and he
has shown he'd rather serve his buddies in the senate than his constituents
in Utah. I suspect huntsman would vote to confirm any liberal judge brought
before the senate, and I doubt the DN would post my other comments about
huntsman, so I'll not even bother with them.Who knows? I may
write in something ridiculous in 2018 in the senate race. better that than
hatch, huntsman, or a dem
Every 6 years Hatch brings out the 'ole "one more term" phrase.
" I'm so effective right now with great committee assignments" and
Utahns fall for it every time. Hatch has been a fine Senator but no one is so
important that they need to be there forever. I'm not sure Jon Huntsman
Jr. would be my first choice for his replacement but he will probably win.
Hatch is too old but for some reason, I don't trust Huntsman Jr. any
further then I can throw him.
Many of us feel that local issues are much more important to the state. I
believe that Gov. Huntsman is a bit too much of a "world view"
politician and too inclusive to be our senator. He's also a bit too left
leaning to be a Republican. AND it's time for Senator Hatch to come home.
"Yet, Hatch has been making a strong case that circumstances have changed
with a Republican president suddenly assuming office with which Hatch has a
close connection."Hmm, I did not realize that Hatch listed
qualifiers when he said that 2012 would be his last campaign.
Hatch needs to retire...he lives in a different world than the one his
constituents reside in...
Vote Huntsman, not a career politician.
Really too bad, because Hatch has had a relatively distinguished career, only to
possibly end it by breaking his promise to not run, and entering a fight that
may leave his legacy tainted. I don't see how it is worth it, for him, his
family nor the party.
Senator Hatch has done a lot for Utah, some things I've very much
supported, and some things I haven't supported at all. Ultimately, I'm
convinced he's a good man who's worked hard to represent our state.All that said, I believe it is time for him to retire. He came in on the
premise that new blood was needed, and I agree with him (even if he's
forgotten, or thinks that it applies to everybody but himself).Huntsman would make an excellent representative in the Senate for our state.
Willing to work in a bi-partisan manner. Track record of being above the broken
culture of partisanship in Washington. While I'm not a registered
Republican and therefore have no say in the primary process, I would very
willingly support him in the general election should he emerge as the nominee.