It's interesting someone mentioned Somalians. They, and the Sudanese, often
take work in meat packing plants. Work, it seems, that no 'American'
seems to want.
@UtahTroutStalker "You mean like when the native Americans invited the
Mormon settlers into the Utah territory?"Now you're
comparing Mormon settlers with Muslims coming from the war torn Middle East.It's perfectly logical to analyze the religion, culture, history,
etc of refugees and make an informed decision as to whether they should be
accepted or not. If these refugees were white supremacist Nazis from Germany, I
doubt many communities would welcome them with open arms. In fact, I doubt
President Obama and Sec. Kerry would allow them in the country.I
have no problem helping these people but I don't see why they are being
brought to the United States. There is plenty of room in the Middle East where
they can live and thrive.
@Illuminated"Lift and stand"? Maybe that was a good maxim
when people were fighting with bows and arrows or muskets.The people
of Aleppo, a city which once contained almost 2 million people, has been brought
to rubble by the Asad regime and the Russians. How can you lift and stand in
that environment? Golden Rule folks, Golden Rule.
Why are people hesitant to invite homeless people into their homes? Why are
communities very resistant to building a new homeless shelter just down the
street?It is because most sane people realize that a large
percentage of the homeless are mentally ill, drug addicts, and criminals. For
every single mother with two little children trying to make ends meet; there are
three unproductive men who wouldn't take a job if it was handed to them on
a silver platter.Inviting large numbers of homeless or foreign
refugees into your community is a recipe for disaster. While it is noble to try
and help people, there are lots of ways to help without inviting trouble into
Got to love the fact that the progressives in SLC love to have refugees come,
but think it would be so much better if they live in someone else's
community. No, SLC is still the best place for all of them. I say pack them till
SLC overflows. Besides, there will be plenty of room after everyone moves out
next to the four new homeless shelters.
@PipesI called my brother and sister-in-law who live in Minneapolis.
They have no problems with the Somalian refugees. It has given them many
opportunities to share the Good News with people they otherwise would have never
had an opportunity.@Worf"Welcoming refugees in rural
communities may be inviting much future contention."You mean
like when the native Americans invited the Mormon settlers into the Utah
territory?Many of the refugees were only able to flee because they
had money and some material wealth that they could sell just to get out of
Syria. These are in many cases professionals, who have training, and some
skills. Many speak English. Having them set up shop in rural UT with a little
NGO and government assistance would most likely boost the economic development.
Refugees are just another boutique cause for the social justice crowd.It goes into the same bucket as undocumented workers, homeless programs and
STEM emphasis in schools.In all these examples they are calling on
the taxpayer to pay for the unintended consequences of bad government. Their
solution is even more programs and more money spent.
To Hutterite:We need be pragmatic when it comes to refugees. When
we bring people from places and/or cultures that condone violence against women
and treat them like property, or that allow murder for "blasphemy" or
for converting to another religion, or for homosexual behavior or other
"sins", we accept significant risks. The gift of refugee
status should come with a set of expectations and commitments to assimilate at
least the basic values of a modern, democratic society. When a refugee arrives,
they bring a lot of cultural baggage with them. When that baggage includes the
values of hard work, respect for local laws, honesty, etc., we as a nation are
blessed for our generosity. But when that cultural baggage includes the
acceptance of violence, honor-killing, or other behaviors that are contrary to
freedom, the respect for property and life, we can pay a heavy price.We need to be pragmatic in setting specific expectations, and rescind refugee
status for those unwilling or unable to assimilate these basic values.
The Deseret News just published a piece on the economic troubles faced in rural
Utah. It highlighted the lack of jobs available for low skilled residents of
rural communities. In areas already facing a shortage of low-skilled jobs, how
is it even remotely rational to believe that importing more low-skilled
illiterate people from dysfunctional Third World countries is going to be an
economic boon to Utah's rural economy?
We need to look at the data. Go to Minnesotta and look at the impact of the
large Somalian community. Ask a native of Minneapolis their opinion and then
come and make a statement.
WorfI don't think you're characterising the refugees very well.
Google the cnn story 'how the syrian crisis came to small town
Canada'. It can work here. I've had the opportunity to meet with a
couple of the Syrians in Lethbridge through connections and friends I have
there; they are warm, friendly people. There is an active and sizeable group of
refugees from Bhutan there, too. They're buying houses, starting
businesses. It's a big world, and we live in a really big part of it
where we're always looking for more people. I think we found some.
@Hutterite: my understanding is that we were accepting them as war-time refugees
on a humanitarian basis. Refugees come and seek refuge from the storm and once
it passes they go home and rebuild. Otherwise they are immigrants moving here
for economic benefits and that is an entirely different discussion. And the economic benefits of this current crop of refugees is unproven. The
story described this small NE town as an experiment. So let's see how they
do and form a conclusion using data instead of feelgoodery.
James E...Maybe it's not over. Besides, why are we so concerned about
repatriation? Isn't a commitment to a refugee brought here basically
permanent? By and large they're going to make great additions to their
communities and the nation.
Welcoming refugees in rural communities may be inviting much future
contention.The history of these folks are filled with bitterness,
and non stop wars. They will be offended with our way of living. This is
different than Europeans seeking a better life. There are many ways
of helping people without moving them in. It's a big world,
and we don't need to squeeze everyone into one country.
We can reinvigorate our communities by giving business a tax incentive to
operate there. Bringing in a culture that is incompatible with our
Constitutional values of freedom and human dignity doesn't help.A wise man once said, "Lift where you stand" . If these are, indeed,
good people as the article suggests, then they are needed in their own lands
more, where their values will at least be accepted.
The civil war in Syria is winding down, thanks to the Russians helping Assad and
Obama not helping the rebels anymore. Aleppo was recently re-taken by government
troops (or to quote the hysterical headlines, Aleppo has fallen!) and Assad is
gaining momentum. It seems only some pockets of ISIS, John Kerry and the western
media fail to realize this is over. So now there won't be a need to take in
war-time refugees, correct? And when do we start repatriation of the ones
currently here? Won't Syria need some of these wonderful people to rebuild
their country? Or are we being snow-balled here?