For first time in nearly 40 years, Hanukkah and Christmas Eve are on the same day

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  • sharrona layton, UT
    Dec. 30, 2016 10:00 a.m.

    Cmtm.

    I am ascending to my Father, and to your Father. He does not say, "to our Father." "He who is Father of Christ and Father of men, is so in different ways.
    He is Father of Christ by nature and of men by grace". (Augustine).

    My God, and your God.— The hypostatic union. God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), Jesus became a human being (John 1:14).

    See, footnotes on 3 Nephi 11:32 a.= 1John 5:7-8 KJV. Yet, Modern translations(NIV,NET) note, the "Johannine Comma." is absent in all the ancient Greek MS, JS was unaware.

    Robertson's Word Pictures: Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; The image eikoon . Jesus is the very stamp of God the Father as he was before the Incarnation (John 17:5) and is now

    (Col 1:15;.)Strong’s 4416 prtÓtokos – properly, first in time pre-eminent .. The other Greek word for created is Protoktisis, it is NOT used for Christ.

    The invisible God] For the same word see 1 Tim 1:17; Heb 11:27. And . Deut 4:12; John 1:18; John 5:37; 1 Tim 6:16; 1 John 4:20.

  • D. Charles Pyle Heber City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2016 2:51 p.m.

    Hypostasis = person) After Nicaea, maybe. That reading was foisted back onto the New Testament by the translators, but not doctrine pre-Nicaea. LDS don't subscribe to post-Nicene theology.

    JS taught) True doctrine. Same with 3 Nephi 11:36. D&C 130:22 also. Both are true. One God in one sense and Three in another. Christians pre-Nicaea weren't afraid to say the same. See Origen, Clement of Alexandria, and Justin Martyr, for example, as also the Greek NT. Resurrected Jesus (God) says "my God" of the Father. God cannot have a God, post-Nicaea, but the Greek NT allows it. Oldest OT, too.

    Son is the Image) Greek 2 Cor. 3:18 teaches we will be transformed into THE SAME IMAGE. See BDAG, 3rd Edition, for what that Lexicon also admits about both "firstborn" and "beginning." You won't like it.

    Lectures on Faith) Supplemented by D&C 130:22; Moses 6:8-9. And, invisible does not equal bodiless. Invisibility is his situation not his state of being. Father is seeable (Matt. 18:10; Heb. 11:26-27; Rev. 22:4).

  • CMTM Lake Forest, CA
    Dec. 29, 2016 8:18 a.m.

    RE: (Heb. 1:3) In Christian theology, a hypostasis or person is one of the three persons of the Trinity.

    JS taught , “… true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God.”(2 Nephi 31:21)/ (1John 5:7-8 JST & KJV ) v.7 one= (*G, 1570 heis, the #1). “… we are one(en) John 17:22). One in unity (Preposition) .

    (3 Nephi 11:36) ..l the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one. (3Nephi 11:36)see footnotes on 3 Nephi 11:32 a.= 1John 5:7-8 KJV.

    RE; The Son is the Image of the* invisible God, the firstborn =(prototokos)over all creation.(Col 1:15). Christ’s Preeminence. David is the Lord’s “firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth” (Ps. 89:27), despite being the youngest of Jesse’s sons (1 Sam. 16:10‐13).David was firstborn in the sense of preeminence or “prime position.”

    Lectures On Faith - Q. What is the Father? A. He is a personage of glory and of power*[invisible]. (5:2.)Q. What is the Son? A. First, he is a personage of tabernacle. (5:2.)

  • D. Charles Pyle Heber City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2016 3:35 p.m.

    The perfect example of how concordance-jockeying and trusting in English translations can get us into trouble.

    John 17:21) Some manuscripts omit "one" but most have it. "In us" is one way to translate en hemin; "with us" is another. The Greek allows it but avoidance of the latter sense is something a translator with late, theological biases must avoid. Can't have that meaning post-Nicaea!

    Again, kathos = "just as, according as, insofar as, to the degree that." You can't get around that. The unity of one thing is "just as" that of the other, when kathos is used.

    1 Cor. 6:17) Don't care how many English translations you cite, the Greek says "is one spirit." Period. Any saying otherwise add words to original, hiding truth.

    2 Pet. 1:4, koinonoi) "ones sharing" Don't care what biased Bible dictionaries say.

    Heb. 1:3) Connected Greek phrases parallel each other. Either active or passive. The latter is passive so the former must also be, based on the force of the conjunction. Passive sense is "reflection." hupostasis = "nature, being (He. 1:3)." (see UBS Greek-English Dictionary).

  • CMTM Lake Forest, CA
    Dec. 28, 2016 1:58 p.m.

    D. Charles Pyle,RE:(John 17:21) that also they may be one with us. "VS,

    ( John 17:21 KJV), that they also may be one ”In us”. (John 17:21 NET,NASB) that they will be “in us.”,

    Father, (art) in me, and I (am) in thee; i.e. the relation between the Father and Son, the manner in which the Father lives in the Son, and as the Son is in the Father. in the power of his Name, and as these two are thus One in being, Similarly, the believers are to live in and for each other, becoming a unity, just as the Father and Son are unity. In order that they themselves also may be [one] in us

    RE: (1 Cor 6:17 NET)But the one united with the Lord is one spirit with him.

    RE(: koinnoi)Communion “partakers of Christ,” brought by His own ordinance into communion and fellowship with Him and with the Father and with the Holy Spirit partaking in that Divine Nature which was common to the Three Persons of the Godhead. Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

    RE (1 John 3:2)(Jesus) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the ’express Image’= (character, G 5481)of his person= ( hypostases/substance g.5287)…..”(Heb 1:3)

  • D. Charles Pyle Heber City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2016 9:19 a.m.

    Concordance-jockeying won't cut it. 2 Thess. 2:14 is of obtaining the glory of Jesus Christ, and John 17:22 confirms that. You can't isolate 'obtaining' as meaning 'salvation' from the glory in the verse from the standpoint of the Greek. Glory of Christ is the thing being obtained or acquired.

    2 Cor. 3:18) Not just the mirror-like image, but ten auten eikona means "the same image." Not merely "like" but "the same." The Greek text says "the same image."

    1 Cor. 6:17) NIV is wrong. It doesn't say "in Spirit" in the Greek. It says "is one spirit." NIV tries to hide the truth.

    2 Pet. 1:4) koinonos is the root, not koinos, and carries sense of sharing a common object. If one shares with others and with God the very divine nature that makes God what he is, what does that make one?

    1 John 3:2) homoios means "of the same nature as , like" (see UBS Greek Dictionary)

    You just can't get around kathos = "just as, according as, in so far as, to the degree that."

    John 17:21) hina kai autoi en hemin hen osin = "that also they may be one with us."

  • CMTM Lake Forest, CA
    Dec. 27, 2016 8:17 a.m.

    RE: D. Charles Pyle. Context. 2Thess 2:13…. God has “chosen “you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth.
    Verse 14 the *obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. E.g.. ,In 1Thess 5:9, but to *obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. *,peripoihsiv, obtaining, sometimes signifies salvation itself. Heb 10:39.”saving” the soul.

    (2 Cor 3:18) “ image” 1504 eikṓn (from 1503 /eÍk, "be like") mirror-like representation,"

    (1Cor 6:17 NIV)But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him ‘in spirit”

    (2Peter 1:4) ….. so that through them you may participate=(koinnos/*communion )..*Apostles Creed/The communion of Saints.

    (1 John 3:2). we shall be *like him. The KJV (homoios) G3664 * like (47x)= similar, resembling.
    @: The LORD=(YHWH) our God=(Elohim) is one=(echad ) LORD(YHWH. (Deut 6:4).YHWH) = "the existing One" A. the proper name of the one true God. “.. and They shall be one (“echad” )flesh.(Gen 2:24).
    *echad", the word for a unified one between individuals.
    .

  • D. Charles Pyle Heber City, UT
    Dec. 26, 2016 6:12 p.m.

    There is no minimization of John 10:30 by John 17:20-23. Rather, the passage's Greek extends it to his disciples. You will note that John 17 was a private setting with his disciples only, and it wasn't something he taught openly to the rest of the Jews of that day (at least, there is no record of it). Recall the wording of the Greek in John 17:20 "one in us" also means "one with us."

    Recall 17:22 clearly states that we also will have the glory of Jesus that was given to him by the Father. This is reiterated by Paul (2 Thessalonians 2:14), and underlies the full meaning of 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 4:4, speaking of our being transformed into the same image. We will be transformed into the same image of Christ, just as Christ is the image of the Father, and we standing before a mirror will see reflected the same glory, the glory of the Lord, and we'll be "one spirit with him" because we are "joined with him" (1 Cor. 6:17).

    For this reason that the author of 2 Peter wrote that we could share the divine nature, the nature that makes God what he is, and why we would be the like/same as he and purify ourselves accordingly (1 John 3:2-3).

  • CMTM Lake Forest, CA
    Dec. 24, 2016 8:53 a.m.

    “Jesus chose the Festival of Dedication ) to stand in the Temple, in the portico of Solomon, and declare, “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30). Is it coincidence that Jesus chose this time and place to reveal His deity?
    John tells us that in response to His claims the Jewish leaders “took up stones again to stone Him” (John 10:31). They accused Him of blasphemy, “because You, being a Man make Yourself God” (v.33) us.

    Some have tried to minimize the force of this statement by comparing it with John 17:21-23, where Jesus said believers are "to be in us," and "to be one, even as we are one," i.e. to have the same kind of relation with one another (being a collective unity) as the Father and Son sustain towards each other, "I in them, thou in me, that they may be perfected [reach their τέλος, by being blended] into one;" i.e. into one Divine personality by my indwelling.
    But, it is nowhere there said that believers and the Father are one. The unity of power and essence with the Father.