@Vanceone --"is balderdash."You have not
presented any evidence to support your claim.We're waiting."Isn't that illegal interference with a church?"Of course not. It's the same as many people in government who have
encouraged Muslims to spread moderate views within their mosques and imams. I
haven't heard you objecting to any of that."Does the
Catholic Church have a right to "encourage ground's up change in
Democrat Party politics?""Lay Catholics certainly do -- and
church leaders spread their views on political topics like abortion and ss
marriage all the time."Wouldn't you be screaming bloody
murder at the very idea that the Catholic Church is directing a series of
attempts to change the Democrat party platform?"Churches do that
all the time. For instance: "On social issues the Catholic Church takes
strong positions against abortion and same-sex marriage and has formed
coalitions with Protestant evangelicals." There's even a
"Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics.""Church
cannot influence state"Church influences state all the time.
Prop 8 ring any bells?
Contrarius: with all due respect, your 'Nothing to see here, it's all
encouragement!' is balderdash. This is the Clinton campaign trying to
figure out how to change Catholic Church doctrine. Why do they care?
Isn't that illegal interference with a church? get Does the
Catholic Church have a right to "encourage ground's up change in
Democrat Party politics?" Wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder at
the very idea that the Catholic Church is directing a series of attempts to
change the Democrat party platform? Church cannot influence state, you demand,
and it's immoral to even think it. Yet the Clinton Camp
strategizing how to change church doctrine is defended by you? Seriously? The
State has the right to try to change church doctrine but the church cannot even
ask its members to vote in their behalf. How ludicrous. How hypocritical of you
to defend the State even being concerned with Catholic Church doctrine. Yet you
demand that the Catholic Church do nothing--nothing at all--that could even hint
at "political concerns" on the part of the Catholic Church. The State can meddle, but the Church cannot.
@Mamahoneybee --Aha! Thanks!Now -- please READ what
those posts actually say:"Like most Spring movements, I think
this one will have to be bottom up."-- This means grassroots. IOW,
from the lay Catholics."There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in
which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship"-- Again: **Catholics themselves.**These emails have nothing at
all to do with "plotting to infiltrate and subverse the Catholic
Church". They have everything to do with encouraging a grassroots movement
of lay Catholics to reform their own church.Keep trying.
"Hi, John,This whole controversy with the bishops opposing
contraceptive coverage even though 98% of Catholic women (and their conjugal
partners) have used contraception has me thinking . . . There needs to be a
Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages
dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender
equality in the Catholic church. Is contraceptive coverage an issue around which
that could happen. The Bishops will undoubtedly continue the fight. Does the
Catholic Hospital Association support of the Administration’s new policy,
together with “the 98%” create an opportunity?Of course,
this idea may just reveal my total lack of understanding of the Catholic church,
the economic power it can bring to bear against nuns and priests who count on it
for their maintenance, etc. Even if the idea isn’t crazy, I don’t
qualify to be involved and I have not thought at all about how one would
“plant the seeds of the revolution,” or who would plant them. Just
wondering . . .Hoping you’re well....Sandy Newman,
PresidentVoices for Progress"
Contrariuses, John Podesta responded to Newman:"We
created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like
this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now. Likewise Catholics
United. Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up.
I’ll discuss with Tara. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is the other person to
@Mamahoneybee --"This article fails to address that the leaked
emails revealed that Hillary's team was already working on organizing fake
"Catholic" groups for the purpose of infiltrating and subverting the
Catholic Church"Nonsense.If you actually believe
this wild claim, please present your evidence.Be specific.We'll be waiting.
There is more to the story than just the mocking insults about Catholics. This
article fails to address that the leaked emails revealed that Hillary's
team was already working on organizing fake "Catholic" groups for the
purpose of infiltrating and subverting the Catholic Church, and staring a
revolution within the Church (which they referred to as a "Catholic
Spring"), in attempt to pressure the Church to change her teachings.Go look this up elsewhere, and read more of what the emails revealed.
@jsf --"And the RNC is not in collusion with the media"No, because media outlets have been in collusion directly with Trump
instead.FOX News -- Roger Ailes now works for Trump.Breitbart
News -- Breitbart works for Trump and Breitbart at the same time.Cory
Lewandowski -- collected paychecks from both CNN and Trump at the same time.You guys talk about coordination? There's coordination for you!
And, Ms. Clinton has the nerve to say that "many people" wonder if they
will have a place in America if Donald Trump is elected president.Now, all people of faith can wonder if they will have a place in
Hillary's America. Keep those emails coming. By the time election day
gets here, all voters may have a chance to get to know the real Hillary Clinton
before it is too late.
It is almost ironic that this email revelation comes on the same day the news is
reporting on the "Mormons for Hillary" video. Clearly Clinton and her
staff have nothing but disdain for people of faith but are happy to pander to
them when they need votes. Clinton's past call for religions to get with
the times and accept abortion and now this email exchange demonstrates that
concern for religious liberty by leaders of many faiths, including the LDS
Church, is not a baseless concern.
"Why aren't the Russians attacking Trump's campaign? Why
isn't Wikileaks dumping on Trump? Simple. In what world do the Russians
or Wikileaks have the resources of the entire US media, all of whom have sold
their souls in an all out blitz against Trump? If NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc
haven't dug up whatever on Trump, why would Assange be able to? This is an astonishing election where the entire media has openly declared for
one side. Why would Assange join up and be yet another voice in the crowd?
Respect for another's religion - or religion at all - isn't necessary
to respect and uphold the principle of freedom of religion. It was because
religious folk weren't able to respect other's beliefs (or lack
thereof) that the idea came into being at all. We all need it to protect
ourselves from each other.Having said that, it's poor form to
put such personal opinions into work-related email. Save it for Happy Hour.
JSF says: "In other words there is nothing to find that isn't already
known." regarding my question of why we're not hearing of hacks of RNC
or the trump campaign. I think there is more to know, or would be from an
email hack and dump of RNC or trump. Something as complicated as the RNC or a
presidential campaign, and as emotionally charged, would have all kinds of
revealing stuff in emails. I think they all deserve privacy, just like we all
do. Someone has a motive for only pulling out the information on one
party. And it's starting to look more and more like Russia may well be that
interest. That has some very grave undertones associated with it, indeed.
While I'm no Hillary supporter, this seems ridiculous. So some staffer
puts his opinion on Catholicism into an email and critics want Hillary to fire
the guy? So far Wiki leaks and all that it has produced seem more like spin the
bottle compared to what is going on in the Trump campaign.
"I just wonder why none of the RNC or trump campaign emails have ever been
hacked?"Because the RNC does well enough to shoot themselves in
the foot. Because the nominee says what he truly thinks. And the RNC is not in
collusion with the media, the white house, the DOJ, and the FBI. In
other words there is nothing to find that isn't already known.
Hutterite "I just wonder why none of the RNC or trump campaign emails
have ever been hacked?"______________________________ So
do I.WikiLeaks is conspicuously silent on Donald Trump while
concentrating heavy fire at Hillary Clinton. It’s unclear what, if any,
connection there is to Russia. Vladimir Putin today expressed irritation that
attention is focused on the source of the leaks instead of what’s in the
leaks.WikiLeaks obsession with Hillary is almost certainly due to
Julian Assange who carries a grudge against her for her tenancious effort in
European capitals to have Assange prosecuted when she was still Secretary of
State. What Putin’s stake is in all this is the question a lot of people
If this nondescript news item is WikiLeaks idea of an expose, the Clinton
campaign will not likely break into a sweat. I’ve read more pugnacious
remarks about conservative religious leaders on the Deseret News discussion
"Dirty Tricks" used to apply to Nixon.NOW it applies to the
Clinton campaign.What I find very odd is that demos. don't seem
to care - now.Or do they care but the Clinton-controlled media
WON'T let them voice their opinions?
Sadly, nobody is at all surprised by what these emails reveal.It is
like the Trump video. Nobody is really surprised.And in both cases,
very few if any votes will actually be affected. As a nation we have known for
quite some time exactly who these two candidates are. But almost nobody
cares.Each side is outraged at the bad conduct of the other
side's candidate. Simultaneously, each side excuses the conduct of its
candidate as not really all that bad, or at least not nearly as bad as the
conduct of the other candidate.We get the government we deserve.
And one way or another, we are about to get a doozey.
I just wonder why none of the RNC or trump campaign emails have ever been
hacked? No, nobody should be saying this stuff. But trump's
still a worse choice. By far.
Well you know catholics are part of the Hillary's deplorables. A democrat
campaign full of hate and bigots. Hillary what are you going to do? Fire them?
While these comments are appalling (and give the lie to to many of the leftists
here who claim that Hillary's campaign doesn't want to force religion
to change), I wish the DNews would cover the rest of the leaks; namely the
clear, clear proof of massive coordination between the media, government, and
the Democrat party. From allegedly "conservative" reporters
actually writing campaign ads for Hillary to the moderators of the presidential
debates (John Harwood) boasting how they attacked Trump, these emails clearly
demonstrate there is no difference between today's media and the Democrat
party. Hillary's campaign is actually dictating coverage and vetoing
stories. It's full on criminal behavior. Coupled with the
acceleration of Youtube, Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc into full out
censorship, the US is rapidly becoming the Soviet Union. I truly hope that
DNews will not allow their moderators to, like the rest of the media industry,
start banning conservatives en masse.
What have we been trying to tell you mrs. bill supporters all this time? Do you
get it now? No, probably not!