Top Clinton aides under fire over email about 'conservative Catholicism' in WikiLeaks dump

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  • Contrariusiest mid-state, TN
    Oct. 15, 2016 10:59 a.m.

    @Vanceone --

    "is balderdash."

    You have not presented any evidence to support your claim.

    We're waiting.

    "Isn't that illegal interference with a church?"

    Of course not. It's the same as many people in government who have encouraged Muslims to spread moderate views within their mosques and imams. I haven't heard you objecting to any of that.

    "Does the Catholic Church have a right to "encourage ground's up change in Democrat Party politics?""

    Lay Catholics certainly do -- and church leaders spread their views on political topics like abortion and ss marriage all the time.

    "Wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder at the very idea that the Catholic Church is directing a series of attempts to change the Democrat party platform?"

    Churches do that all the time. For instance: "On social issues the Catholic Church takes strong positions against abortion and same-sex marriage and has formed coalitions with Protestant evangelicals." There's even a "Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics."

    "Church cannot influence state"

    Church influences state all the time. Prop 8 ring any bells?

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Oct. 15, 2016 9:54 a.m.

    Contrarius: with all due respect, your 'Nothing to see here, it's all encouragement!' is balderdash. This is the Clinton campaign trying to figure out how to change Catholic Church doctrine. Why do they care? Isn't that illegal interference with a church? get

    Does the Catholic Church have a right to "encourage ground's up change in Democrat Party politics?" Wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder at the very idea that the Catholic Church is directing a series of attempts to change the Democrat party platform? Church cannot influence state, you demand, and it's immoral to even think it.

    Yet the Clinton Camp strategizing how to change church doctrine is defended by you? Seriously? The State has the right to try to change church doctrine but the church cannot even ask its members to vote in their behalf. How ludicrous. How hypocritical of you to defend the State even being concerned with Catholic Church doctrine. Yet you demand that the Catholic Church do nothing--nothing at all--that could even hint at "political concerns" on the part of the Catholic Church.

    The State can meddle, but the Church cannot.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Oct. 14, 2016 9:25 p.m.

    @Mamahoneybee --

    Aha! Thanks!

    Now -- please READ what those posts actually say:

    "Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up."
    -- This means grassroots. IOW, from the lay Catholics.

    "There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship"
    -- Again: **Catholics themselves.**

    These emails have nothing at all to do with "plotting to infiltrate and subverse the Catholic Church". They have everything to do with encouraging a grassroots movement of lay Catholics to reform their own church.

    Keep trying.

  • Mamahoneybee Little Chute, WI
    Oct. 14, 2016 4:00 p.m.

    "Hi, John,

    This whole controversy with the bishops opposing contraceptive coverage even though 98% of Catholic women (and their conjugal partners) have used contraception has me thinking . . . There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic church. Is contraceptive coverage an issue around which that could happen. The Bishops will undoubtedly continue the fight. Does the Catholic Hospital Association support of the Administration’s new policy, together with “the 98%” create an opportunity?

    Of course, this idea may just reveal my total lack of understanding of the Catholic church, the economic power it can bring to bear against nuns and priests who count on it for their maintenance, etc. Even if the idea isn’t crazy, I don’t qualify to be involved and I have not thought at all about how one would “plant the seeds of the revolution,” or who would plant them. Just wondering . . .

    Hoping you’re well...
    .
    Sandy Newman, President
    Voices for Progress"

  • Mamahoneybee Little Chute, WI
    Oct. 14, 2016 3:58 p.m.

    Contrariuses,

    John Podesta responded to Newman:

    "We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now. Likewise Catholics United. Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up. I’ll discuss with Tara. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is the other person to consult."

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    Oct. 14, 2016 3:35 p.m.

    @Mamahoneybee --

    "This article fails to address that the leaked emails revealed that Hillary's team was already working on organizing fake "Catholic" groups for the purpose of infiltrating and subverting the Catholic Church"

    Nonsense.

    If you actually believe this wild claim, please present your evidence.

    Be specific.

    We'll be waiting.

  • Mamahoneybee Little Chute, WI
    Oct. 14, 2016 1:45 p.m.

    There is more to the story than just the mocking insults about Catholics. This article fails to address that the leaked emails revealed that Hillary's team was already working on organizing fake "Catholic" groups for the purpose of infiltrating and subverting the Catholic Church, and staring a revolution within the Church (which they referred to as a "Catholic Spring"), in attempt to pressure the Church to change her teachings.

    Go look this up elsewhere, and read more of what the emails revealed.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Oct. 13, 2016 8:00 a.m.

    @jsf --

    "And the RNC is not in collusion with the media"

    No, because media outlets have been in collusion directly with Trump instead.

    FOX News -- Roger Ailes now works for Trump.
    Breitbart News -- Breitbart works for Trump and Breitbart at the same time.
    Cory Lewandowski -- collected paychecks from both CNN and Trump at the same time.

    You guys talk about coordination? There's coordination for you!

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 13, 2016 5:19 a.m.

    And, Ms. Clinton has the nerve to say that "many people" wonder if they will have a place in America if Donald Trump is elected president.

    Now, all people of faith can wonder if they will have a place in Hillary's America. Keep those emails coming. By the time election day gets here, all voters may have a chance to get to know the real Hillary Clinton before it is too late.

  • 1Observer Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 6:38 p.m.

    It is almost ironic that this email revelation comes on the same day the news is reporting on the "Mormons for Hillary" video. Clearly Clinton and her staff have nothing but disdain for people of faith but are happy to pander to them when they need votes. Clinton's past call for religions to get with the times and accept abortion and now this email exchange demonstrates that concern for religious liberty by leaders of many faiths, including the LDS Church, is not a baseless concern.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 6:33 p.m.

    "Why aren't the Russians attacking Trump's campaign? Why isn't Wikileaks dumping on Trump? Simple. In what world do the Russians or Wikileaks have the resources of the entire US media, all of whom have sold their souls in an all out blitz against Trump? If NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc haven't dug up whatever on Trump, why would Assange be able to?

    This is an astonishing election where the entire media has openly declared for one side. Why would Assange join up and be yet another voice in the crowd?

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Oct. 12, 2016 6:18 p.m.

    Respect for another's religion - or religion at all - isn't necessary to respect and uphold the principle of freedom of religion. It was because religious folk weren't able to respect other's beliefs (or lack thereof) that the idea came into being at all. We all need it to protect ourselves from each other.

    Having said that, it's poor form to put such personal opinions into work-related email. Save it for Happy Hour.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 5:45 p.m.

    JSF says: "In other words there is nothing to find that isn't already known." regarding my question of why we're not hearing of hacks of RNC or the trump campaign.
    I think there is more to know, or would be from an email hack and dump of RNC or trump. Something as complicated as the RNC or a presidential campaign, and as emotionally charged, would have all kinds of revealing stuff in emails. I think they all deserve privacy, just like we all do.
    Someone has a motive for only pulling out the information on one party. And it's starting to look more and more like Russia may well be that interest. That has some very grave undertones associated with it, indeed.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 5:27 p.m.

    While I'm no Hillary supporter, this seems ridiculous. So some staffer puts his opinion on Catholicism into an email and critics want Hillary to fire the guy? So far Wiki leaks and all that it has produced seem more like spin the bottle compared to what is going on in the Trump campaign.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 5:23 p.m.

    "I just wonder why none of the RNC or trump campaign emails have ever been hacked?"

    Because the RNC does well enough to shoot themselves in the foot. Because the nominee says what he truly thinks. And the RNC is not in collusion with the media, the white house, the DOJ, and the FBI.

    In other words there is nothing to find that isn't already known.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 12, 2016 5:02 p.m.

    Hutterite
    "I just wonder why none of the RNC or trump campaign emails have ever been hacked?"
    ______________________________

    So do I.

    WikiLeaks is conspicuously silent on Donald Trump while concentrating heavy fire at Hillary Clinton. It’s unclear what, if any, connection there is to Russia. Vladimir Putin today expressed irritation that attention is focused on the source of the leaks instead of what’s in the leaks.

    WikiLeaks obsession with Hillary is almost certainly due to Julian Assange who carries a grudge against her for her tenancious effort in European capitals to have Assange prosecuted when she was still Secretary of State. What Putin’s stake is in all this is the question a lot of people want answered.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 4:33 p.m.

    @Vanceone: Bullseye!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 12, 2016 3:50 p.m.

    If this nondescript news item is WikiLeaks idea of an expose, the Clinton campaign will not likely break into a sweat. I’ve read more pugnacious remarks about conservative religious leaders on the Deseret News discussion boards.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 1:58 p.m.

    "Dirty Tricks" used to apply to Nixon.

    NOW it applies to the Clinton campaign.

    What I find very odd is that demos. don't seem to care - now.

    Or do they care but the Clinton-controlled media WON'T let them voice their opinions?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 1:54 p.m.

    Sadly, nobody is at all surprised by what these emails reveal.

    It is like the Trump video. Nobody is really surprised.

    And in both cases, very few if any votes will actually be affected. As a nation we have known for quite some time exactly who these two candidates are. But almost nobody cares.

    Each side is outraged at the bad conduct of the other side's candidate. Simultaneously, each side excuses the conduct of its candidate as not really all that bad, or at least not nearly as bad as the conduct of the other candidate.

    We get the government we deserve. And one way or another, we are about to get a doozey.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 1:52 p.m.

    I just wonder why none of the RNC or trump campaign emails have ever been hacked?
    No, nobody should be saying this stuff.
    But trump's still a worse choice. By far.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 12:58 p.m.

    Well you know catholics are part of the Hillary's deplorables. A democrat campaign full of hate and bigots. Hillary what are you going to do? Fire them?

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Oct. 12, 2016 12:50 p.m.

    While these comments are appalling (and give the lie to to many of the leftists here who claim that Hillary's campaign doesn't want to force religion to change), I wish the DNews would cover the rest of the leaks; namely the clear, clear proof of massive coordination between the media, government, and the Democrat party.

    From allegedly "conservative" reporters actually writing campaign ads for Hillary to the moderators of the presidential debates (John Harwood) boasting how they attacked Trump, these emails clearly demonstrate there is no difference between today's media and the Democrat party. Hillary's campaign is actually dictating coverage and vetoing stories. It's full on criminal behavior.

    Coupled with the acceleration of Youtube, Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc into full out censorship, the US is rapidly becoming the Soviet Union. I truly hope that DNews will not allow their moderators to, like the rest of the media industry, start banning conservatives en masse.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Oct. 12, 2016 12:42 p.m.

    What have we been trying to tell you mrs. bill supporters all this time? Do you get it now? No, probably not!