What is at stake in this election in much greater than candidates and their
imperfections. Those without sin throw the stone. The America our Founding
Fathers gave us has been both Obama's and Mrs. Clinton's target and
playdough as they go about "fundamentally transforming" the
divinely-inspired government of our patriot ancestors. All means of deceit and
above-the-law tactics have been used by Clinton and her liberal left allies to
bully, exert government control, and re-shape the Constitution and nation. Where
is call for her accountability for her crimes, her coercion – her
deconstructing American justice and liberties at risk, including free speech,
the right to bear arms, and the right to be a Christian openly, abiding by
Christian values? I do not excuse Trump’s offensive words, but the greater
part of him is out to save the land of our inheritance, now hanging by a thread.
"...as we hope for a more auspicious future of liberty, prosperity and peace
for the nation."More than hope will be required to keep the
balance of the Supreme Court toward the protection of our sacred constitution.
The left intimidates - suppressing free-speech with vigilante-style retaliation
and slander. They are organized and relentless. I want to protect the 1st
amendment from those who Hillary would appoint as justices. My religious
freedoms, my ability to oppose the government and other forms of immorality hang
in the balance in this election.The essence of politics is
compromise. I'm swallowing hard as I vote Trump, but I will vote Trump as
the evidence is before us that his policies support our most basic and essential
liberties. This election has tested my resolve to stand for the tenants which
hold our free country together. I pray for Trump and believe that if he gets
down on his knees, he can lead this nation.
Am I mistaken, or hasn't there been at least one person in the First
Presidency (historically) who had a problem with his 'potty mouth'?I also agree that our military being, at times, the most foul-mouthed
organization I've known - but completely willing to protect and serve the
United States. Language isn't the only characteristic of character.Also, Deseret News is reportedly a subsidiary of Deseret Management
Corporation, a holding company owned by the Corporation of the President of The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.If true, the DN has
violated the IRS tax code prohibiting churches (and, presumably, their agents)
from political activism in order to retain their tax exempt status.Being anti-Trump = being for someone else = violation? Thin ice.
Not all Mormons are stupid people. We know that character no longer matters in
politics. If so, and the Brethren thought it was needful to comment on the
subject, they would not have implicitly endorsed Hillary Clinton. Nor world they
have stood silent on Barack Obama and they definitley would not have stayed
silent on Bill Clinton. But now, because there is this notion that the world
sees us as American, and not internationalist, the move is on the distance
Church from anything that smacks of being pro-American. They should
have stayed silent. Better yet, the Brethren should have directed members
everywhere to look beyond mere personal flaws because personal flaws have little
to do with governance. But given the Brethren chose to involve the Church in
partisan politics they should have directed members to examine the candidates
life-long patterns of behavior. It may not have helped Trump much but it
definitely would not have given HRC the implicit nod of approval.
"The most recent revelations of Trump’s lewdness disturb us not only
because of his vulgar objectification of women, but also because they poignantly
confirm Trump’s inability to self-govern."We have a choice
between Trump and Hillary. Yes, Trump has uttered lewdness but has apologized
to the public for it. But, what about Hillary's history...She
lies then lies about lying. As Secretary of State she used a private server and
email for government business allowing the world to hack into government
classified information. She destroyed classified information. As Secretary of
state, she and Bill got wealthy through a Charity Foundation to which millions
were donated in exchange for government favors. She got off from being indicted
for her illegal activities as Secretary of State by Bill secretly meeting with
the US Attorney General in a plane on a tarmac. She is happy to allow the death
of partly born babies (partial birth abortion). If she becomes president, Bill
will be in the White House... and we know what he did in the privacy of the Oval
@John K --"So the Deseret News believes people can change and be
forgiven, but not for Trump."Do you forgive Bill Cosby for all
the women he is accused of attacking? We should just let him go about his merry
way?And you forgive Trump for bragging about sexual assaults that
are backed up by multiple victims, but you don't forgive the Clintons for
what you *think* they've done?Double standard much?
So the Deseret News believes people can change and be forgiven, but not for
Wow, this article is an extension of CNN. I'm an LDS Member (Mormon) and
I'm really sad to see how many modern Gadianton Robbers are inside the
church and inside the government. Not referring to the prophet, apostles, and
other leaders, they are men of God.Among these Gadianton Robbers are the
editor of this article, Mitt Romney and his minions (other known
"Mormons" in the political arena) who are traitors and conspirators to
their religion and country.Many members of the church, including
myself, are voting and supporting Donald Trump, but the media is hiding it.I HOPE PEOPLE WAKE UP, and stop being lulled by the media.Hosea
4:6 (Bible, Old Testament)6 ¶My people are destroyed for lack of
knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee.if you can get your hands on this book "An Enemy Hath Done This"
by Ezra Taft Benson, please read it.God Bless America, God Bless
@John K --"So Clinton immorality, crime, and corruption are
character traits that don't matter to the Deseret News."Facts matter to the DN. And the fact is that most of the accusations that have
been hurled at the Clintons over the years have been false.
So Clinton immorality, crime, and corruption are character traits that
don't matter to the Deseret News.
@dbur971 --"Why is his locker room talk"Yet
again -- it was not "locker room talk". The man was bragging about
committing multiple sexual assaults."B&H Clinton's
years of sustained sexual abuse of women"Surely you can tell the
difference between consensual affairs and nonconsensual sexual assault?There is no "years of sustained sexual abuse" in Bill's case.
Only two women have accused him of physical assault -- and both of those women
signed sworn testimony that no such thing ever happened."and
subsequent attacks of the victims by H?"Check out
Politifact's analysis of Trump's claim -- "Trump says Clinton
viciously attacked those who charged abuse by Bill". They have a long
analysis, followed by the overall rating "Mostly False"."Similar tapes are emerging on B&H and their operatives as well as
Obama"Nonsense.If you actually believe this
ludicrous claim, please present your evidence.Be specific.We'll be waiting.
(cont...)Step back and think. What you have done is no different
than the evangelical rejection of Romney. Just from a different viewpoint. I saw
so many evangelicals swearing there is no way they can vote for a Mormon. Oh
polygamy, Gold Plates, Joseph Smith, not even Christian!!! All the while his
political principles were probably closer to what they wanted than any other
candidate has been.You have just done the same thing they did and
helped seal the deal for Hillary. At least you could have also issued a similar
simultaneous condemnation of Hillary.Similar tapes are emerging on
B&H and their operatives as well as Obama, are you going to also write hit
pieces on them to even the score? Too late, damage is done.
Nice hit piece. Even though everything you said is likely true we've all
known what Trump was, so why so surprised now? Why is his locker room talk more
offensive than B&H Clinton's years of sustained sexual abuse of women
and subsequent attacks of the victims by H? Some would say it sounds like
classic Utah Mormon self-righteousness and hypocrisy. (I've always had a
problem with that concept and don't accept it myself, so don't be
offended Utah Mormons.)You have handed an unexpected gift to the
Hillary campaign. I'm sure they're dancing in their headquarters and
making fun of the idiot Mormons.(cont.. comment screen won't
allow me my 1200 chars)
Many people are discovering that standards and principals are all well and good,
until holding them interferes with something one wants.Trump was bragging
about committing adultery, and perhaps worse, enticing someone else to also
commit adultery. Just to remind everyone, adultery is one of the big 10.
And for the puerile comment that "I belong to a church that believes in
forgiveness," Yes, but trump doesn't. In fact, when asked if he could
remember what the last thing he asked God's forgiveness for, he said he
couldn't remember ever asking God for forgiveness for anything. That is
trump in a nutshell, low and unrepentant.So, one can descend into the
darkness of justifying wickedness because..supreme court, she's a crook,
etc... but one is selling one's integrity to do so.
To the deseretnews: This is a strong piece of writing, restrained and well
edited and clearly backed up by a confident and equitable position of
responsible leadership. Thank you,
Trump must not resign. He was chosen by the wise people of Fox News and GOP. He
was vetted and found deplorable. If he was to be replaced now, less then a month
to election, we wouldn't be able to do a proper vetting needed to make sure
the new person is not yet another sociopath. That's my take on it.
Republicans picked him, let republicans deal with him.
@Contrarius - mid-state, TNAppears "Contrarius - mid-state,
TN" is the watchdog for this comment section and has attacked many comments
here. Contrarius should be more civil and respect other peoples opinions.
Remember...not everyone believes your views either.
@Seaker --"1) Tilted Supreme Court impacting important
issues"I should hope so. Out with those voter suppression
laws!I do hope that Garland gets confirmed, however. "2) Reduced or ban of Right to bear arms - possible Executive
Order"Please learn more about the Constitution. Executive Orders
only affect Federal departments (like Dept. of Education regulations) -- they
can't change laws in this way."3) Support for Hollywood to
continue it's display of immorality, gutter language, and perverse clothing
to our children through music and social media."Seriously? This
is a big concern for you? If you're so concerned about immorality and
gutter language, you need look no further than Trump of the many affairs and the
foul mouth. "4) Increased Liberal teachings taught to our
Children in school (Bathroom laws)."Again -- I should hope so!
We need more love and acceptance, less hate and divisiveness."5)
Support for activist groups to attack Religious Freedoms ..."Yeah, no. Yet again -- religion is NOT an excuse for discrimination. Please
stop playing the victim here.
Hard to support Trump but still wrestling with the idea of Hillary elected:Here is what we most likely will face if Hillary is elected:1)
Tilted Supreme Court impacting important issues2) Reduced or ban of Right
to bear arms - possible Executive Order3) Support for Hollywood to
continue it's display of immorality, gutter language, and perverse clothing
to our children through music and social media.4) Increased Liberal
teachings taught to our Children in school (Bathroom laws).5) Support for
activist groups to attack Religious Freedoms - she won't attack us directly
but will allow the groups to do it.It doesn't appear congress
or the senate will be able to stop her. Not sure what to do.
The DN has been against Trump from day one. This is no surprise. "He who is
with out sin let him cast the first stone."
Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats offers a satisfactory candidate in
this election. On the Democrat side, it is simply giving the candidacy to the
person who has been waiting for all these many years to ascend to the position
she believes she is entitled to. Just ask Debbie Wasserman Schultz. On the
Republican side it is a little more difficult to peg. The establishment
desperately wanted one of their own to get the nod, but all those guys lacked
any fire or appeal. The conservative in the bunch, Ted Cruz, had to fight off
the efforts of the establishment to derail his candidacy. This opened the door
for Trump. By the time the establishment realized they had a bigger problem
with Trump and tried to back conservative Ted, it was too late. I would like to
see Ted Cruz start a new third party, the conservative party. Constitutional,
Fiscally Responsible,Rule of Law means something. It will take someone like a
Reagan to create such a party.
Regardless of disclaimer in the Deseret News article that Trump should step
down, LDS that I know (without exception so far), say they think Deseret News
would not have published that kind of opinion without an okay from the Presiding
Brethren. (Which will probably make many think the brethren are telling us not
to vote for Trump.) Other, non-LDS who read the article might think
the same. Donald Trump would likely wonder the same... Which
disturbs me, because we may wind up once again, with a president who sees
Mormons as an obstacle... And that has not served us well in the past, as in the
case of Martin Van Buren. It might be a good thing, if a reputable
source were to give assurance to voters & Trump that Church leaders had
absolutely nothing to do with it.
@IDC --"I realize Bill Clinton isn't running but he has
done far worse by action than what was spoken by Trump."Like
what?Please be specific.And remember -- the only two
women who have accused Bill of nonconsensual physical contact, Willey and
Broaddrick, both signed sworn statements that no such thing ever happened.In start contrast, Trump **bragged** about committing multiple sexual
assaults. And he has admitted also to having multiple affairs, including affairs
with married women.
OH brother. What he said is disrespectful and bad. I realize Bill Clinton
isn't running but he has done far worse by action than what was spoken by
Trump. I would rather Trump say bad things about me, my wife, or my daughter
than to have my money and freedoms taken away by Hillary. Any democrat that
judges Trump for this needs some introspection into the behavior of their own
party.I don't love Trump but at least he is an outsider and has
a clue about how money and taxes work. Hillary is an insider through and
through. She is rich from political favor and fame and is influenced by the
money. Hillary cares about power and Hillary, that is it.
Not sure how you can take something Trump "said" 10 years ago and think
it is more relevant than what Hillary has done the last 8 years. I have spent a
lot of time in the desert between Afghanistan and Iraq and other places. The
typical American soldier is one of the filthiest mouth people you will ever meet
when they are around "the guys". That being said, their patriotism and
willingness to fight for their country can't be denied. I have put my life
in their hands and would do so again. What Hillary has done and the American
lives bullied, mocked and murdered at her hands can't be excused. Deseret
News is doing what most uninformed Americans who live with their heads in the
sand are doing and jumping on the mainstream bandwagon. If you are going to
vote in November, vote for the candidate that is most fit to "run" the
government, not the one who conjugates their verbs correctly.
@Tiercel --"Hillary Clinton explicitly said ... an unborn child
has no rights."That's not quite what she said.Here's the quote:"When or if does an unborn child have
constitutional rights?" host Chuck Todd asked."Under our
laws, currently, that is not something that exists. The unborn person
doesn't have constitutional rights. Now, that doesn't mean that we
don't do everything we possibly can in the vast majority of instances to
help a mother who is carrying a child and wants to make sure that child will be
healthy, to have appropriate medical support."It doesn't
mean that you don't do everything possible to try to fulfill your
obligations, but it does not include sacrificing the woman's right to make
decisions, and I think that's an important distinction that, under Roe vs.
Wade, we've had enshrined under our Constitution."And
Clinton is right. A fetus does not have Constitutional rights -- because
Constitutional rights depend on citizenship. And citizenship is only granted in
the Constitution AT BIRTH. If you don't like it, then change the
Constitution -- don't blame Hillary.
A correction to "Understands Math" - Hillary Clinton explicitly said on
both Meet the Press", and "The View" that an unborn child has no
rights. She was pressed how far that extends and does that extend right up to
the day of birth. She unequivocally stated that it does extend up until the day
of birth. It is a simple look-up on the internet for the transcript, the news
story, the video.I can understand your confusion because there are
probably old positions in which she said otherwise such as when she said
marriage was only between a man and a woman and the numerous other flips she has
made when it helps her gain power.
The revelations just keep coming. This is a war against religion and faith. Now
leaked emails show that the very top lieutenants of the Hillary Campaign show
appalling religious bigotry against Catholics and Evangelicals. But, the press,
maybe even Deseret News, won't cover something that crucial.Whether it is this or the war against "The Little Sisters of the
Poor," These people show sheer contempt for anyone that treat their religion
as anything more than a social club. In fact, that is the essence of what one
email stated. It goes hand-in-hand with Obama's statement when he said,
"they cling to their Bibles and their guns." He suggested that because
other things like jobs etc. were not going our way, we get bitter and
desperately revert to stupid behavior and useless actions like turning to the
scriptures.How do the staff at Deseret News give a de facto
endorsement to this war against religion? Hillary is the one viable candidate
that remains standing after their call for Trump to resign.
@RichardB --""Recently I had the opportunity to have a
brief, but enlightening, personal conversation"Let's hear
instead from Barbara Res, a woman who worked for Trump as vice-president of his
organization for 18 years --"I think he's a supreme
sexist.""He's terribly sexist. He's a womanizer
for sure.""He once said that, when his business was failing
in the early '90s, he blamed it on the fact that his executives did a bad
job while he was off, in his words, '(having sex with) women two and three
at a time' -- he said that!""I learned very quickly...
that you don't talk back to him anymore..... He got too famous. He started
believing his own (imagination). He got way too famous and, you know, people
were telling him he was great and he was buying that. He started thinking that
he walked on water, he really did.""Now I don't think
he respects anybody. I don't think there's a person alive that he
respects, because he thinks he's God."Who do you believe --
somebody that spoke with Donald for a few minutes, or somebody who worked
closely with him for years?
I abhor both of these candidates. Trump is a lewd scumbag and Hillary is a
criminal. Both of these fools should be imprisoned. I am also tired of
Republicans getting angry with me when I say I cannot vote for Trump and with
liberals who say I need to commit myself to Hillary. This is asinine. It's
like a high-school popularity contest. What a joke all of this is. Evan McMullin
is my choice.
A renunciation of Trump isn't an endorsement of Hillary Clinton. Due to
this revelation, Trump won't win the election, but there are other worthy
candidates out there. For myself, I am voting for Darrell Castle and Scott
Bradley. They beat out Johnson and McMullin in my book. Additionally, there is another path where Clinton won't win, though
unlikely. If enough states vote independent or third party, we could keep
Clinton from gaining enough electoral votes. Then the decision goes to Congress
where each State gets only one vote.
If you are going to call for Trump to resign, you should also call for Hillary
Understands math but not partial birth abortion procedure. Partial
birth abortion is not the safest way to care for a mother in distress. It is far
safer to birth the child as quickly as possible, rather than to pause the
procedure, prolonging the dangerous situation, to sever a spinal chord and suck
out the baby's brain. Just birth the baby and give it away. The
best way to save the life of the mother. This is why the "life
of the mother" argument holds no water. (pardon the pun)
It's not an assault when someone brags to support his ego. A
clear case of Hillary's actions vs. Trumps bragging. Set up by a Bush that
is a cousin to our ex-President and nephew to our ex-President.
Retired General Authority of the LDS church, and Gen. (Retired) Robert C. Oaks,
commander of NATO Air Forces in Central Europe. wrote an opt-ed on this for the
Deseret news Sept 25. I will take his word on it. "Recently I
had the opportunity to have a brief, but enlightening, personal conversation
with Donald J. Trump, the Republican candidate for president of the United
States. From our conversation I was very impressed with his leadership style,
patriotism and passion for our country and its welfare. However, I have
subsequently been dismayed by the extensive negative comments I have seen
published about Trump. None of this material jibes with my impression of the man
and his suitability to serve as president of the United States of America.
@Tiercel wrote: "You write that Hillary is the more morally conservative
this year. So you actually give moral equivalency between vulgar talk and
abortion on the day of birth (even when partially born) with no reason needed
???"That's not true, though. Hillary is on record as
agreeing with bans on late-term abortion as long as there are exceptions for the
health of the mother. However, the conservatives who want to push these laws
through don't want them to have any exceptions.
I'm seeing all these comments saying that, in spite of his horrific
behavior, you have to vote for Trump in order to prevent Hillary from becoming
President. Well, I've got news for you. The Democrats are telling people
they have to vote for Hillary in order to prevent Trump from becoming President.
This kind of thinking is what has led to the two worst Presidential candidates
in history. If we don't break out of this paradigm and start building up
the third parties, we'll never get the leadership we need as a country.
The fact is that both the Republican and the Democratic parties have become
destructive influences on our country's governance, and they should both
cease to exist. Vote your conscience, and vote for a candidate who actually
reflects your values, not just who you're gambling has the best chance of
winning. This is why I support Jill Stein and will continue to do so right up
through the election, and why I support the building up of the Green Party to
rise up and break the stranglehold of the two party duopoly on this country.
If Billy Bush got fired...
Considering the Desert News is owned by the LDS Church, I would think that
bashing one sinner over a worse sinner is not appropriate. Someone on the DN
staff might consider resigning. The two most important issues in this election
is the SUPREME COURT AND IMMIGRATION. Any non vote or vote for anyone other
than TRUMP is a vote for HILLARY. She is for open boarders and a very liberal
Court. These alone could ruin our Country.
What about those who have already voted in early voting - I believe a half
million people. How would that work if Donald Trump were somehow forced out?
@2 bits --"But Democrats insisted it didn't impact
Bill's ability to be President.... why the new tune now Democrats?"Ummm... in case you didn't notice... Bill got impeached.Also in case you didn't notice -- he had a consensual affair. Unlike
Trump, who was caught bragging about committing multiple sexual assaults.Yet again -- if a president gets impeached for a consensual affair, what
is the proper response to one who brags about committing multiple sexual
I am in shock that a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints owned
publication would publish an article calling for a political candidate to step
down!! This article (although in small print at the bottom states it
doesn't reflect the views of the church) clearing endorses a political
candidate.Did the church call for Bill Clinton and others political
leaders to step down for their immoral behavior? Isn't there always a
letter from the First Presidency read in sacrament meeting before every election
stating the church does not take political sides in an election? The biggest prize in this election is to fill the spot of US Supreme Court
Justice Scalia. Trump says he will select a Judge like Justice Scalia and
Hillary says she will replace Scalia with a liberal judge. When we are so
worried about moral issues, think of the impact the US Supreme Court will have
on the moral issues for this country for many many years to come. These
decisions will no doubt affect the church. The selection of a US Supreme Court
justice is far more important than Trumps' immoral actions.
To TripletMomLDS - You write that Hillary is the more morally conservative this
year. So you actually give moral equivalency between vulgar talk and abortion
on the day of birth (even when partially born) with no reason needed ??? I
think the scriptures refers to this as straining at a gnat (that might fly in
our mouth) yet swallowing a camel.Where is our ability to reason and
engage in rational thought? How do we grow up in the Gospel so mixed up that
some youth think adultery and WoW violations are equivalent?I guess
one way is when Deseret News leads the way by showing an inability to
distinguish between transgressions like attacking sexual abuse victims,
compromising National security, obstructing justice, partial-birth abortion, Vs.
Vulgar language.Incredible !!!
It's silly for the DesNews to call for Trump to resign at this point. They
know it's too late for that.Besides... It's not
Trump's job to resign, or to keep the DesNews happy. It's our job (as
voters) to resign him. By not voting for him.I never planned to
vote for him. This audio only confirms what everybody already knew about him.
If anybody didn't know this was his personality... you should be ashamed of
yourself. Planning to vote for somebody you don't even know, just because
he has the right letter by his name...This tape is no shocker (to
anybody who knows his personality). And I would not be surprised to hear Bill
Clinton say similar things about White House Interns in private lecherous
conversations with giggling friends years ago. He knows he's had similar
conversations. Bill Clinton thinks of women the exact same way Trump does. Or
at least he did a decade or so ago.But Democrats insisted it
didn't impact Bill's ability to be President.... why the new tune now
Democrats?And Republicans who denounced Bill Clinton for leaving
stains on white house interns dresses back then... but support Trump now?
I'm not a Trump supporter. Never have been. Even more sure he should
never be President today. But I think it's comical to watch Democrats who
insisted Bill Clinton's moral character had NOTHING to do with his ability
to do his job (when he was being impeached for doing immoral things and then
lieing in testimony to Congress about it). The same people now gasp and clutch
their pearls as they faint on the couch at the revelation that Trump has low
moral character. And say it should "disqualify" him from being
President.Well... if moral character didn't impact
Clinton's ability to do the job... why does similar moral flaws disqualify
another from doing the job??Be consistent.I denounced
Bill Clinton for his moral indiscretions when they were revealed. I denounce
Trump now. Partisans are so two-faced (both sides).
The truth is that neither Trump nor Hillary deserve to be President. And after
his displays of incompetence, neither does Gary Johnson. There is only one
candidate who even remotely deserves to be President, and that is Jill Stein.
If you don't want to take the DN's renunciation of Trump as an
endorsement of Hillary, then vote Jill Stein. She has none of the baggage of
any of the other candidates, and she is a true defender of American families.
@OdinsAcolyte wrote: "As such, if you back a Democrat I see you as a
socialist and an enemy of the United States of America.en
garde"Oh no, an internet tough guy has threatened me if I vote
Democratic. What will I do?
I'm a long time republican, active in my church, and a mom of 3. This
editorial nearly echoes what I hear many of the women in my community saying: we
cannot support Mr. Trump, and many of us are stunned to find that Mrs. Clinton
is actually the more morally conservative choice this year. I, and several of
the women I know, are quietly planning to vote for her instead. Especially after
this weekend. Though I disagree with her *strongly* on several
issues (abortion, esp.) and I fear that she may lack honesty, I see in her a
flawed woman of a strong values, some of which I share: she seems like someone
who has clearly received a calling to a life of service, who has labored hard to
keep her family together, who has supported her husband through many challenges,
who has maintained her own faith for her whole life, who tries to maintain grace
and calm under pressure. It looks to me like she is a hard worker who has helped
her family to find success, and that she has raised a child who is a testament
to her. I feel like this is the type of woman my faith calls on me
to be. It is my hope that these values will guide and serve her,
and our country, well.
Way to throw away 80 year! I call for Deseret News to cease its political news
due to its " bias locker room trash talk opinion" hostile to the future
of this great State and Country. Trump= Words, Clinton= Verified Actions. You
are telling me actions do not speak and affect louder than words and I am
supposed to consider you a reliable news source?
In my opinion there is no better candidate than Trump. The second debate has
proven this. His moves were masterful and artful and revealed a man highly
capable of dealing with enemies of the United States and all it stands for. I would elect a dog before I allow a Democrat to hold a single more term
as President. They are the enemies of the American citizens and traitors
to the U.S. Constitution.They are the Socialist Party of America and as
such I am their sworn enemy and am prepared to go to the battlefield against
them.As such, if you back a Democrat I see you as a socialist and
an enemy of the United States of America.en garde
The Church spokes newspaper has just advised us on who not to vote for. Now I
believe the Church spokes newspaper should tell us who to vote for because I for
one am puzzled.
I am highly disappointed in you giving a defacto endorsement of Clinton. Maybe
you should read the scriptures again- yes, Trump is not perfect. But compare
what he has said to what Clinton has done. I do believe that by this endorsement
of Clinton - by wanting Trump to resign, The Church has started down the road to
losing tax exempt status. I don't buy your statement that your editorial
was not sanctioned by Church leaders.
yes Trump should withdraw - right after Hillary.In the mean time,
the DN being (legitimately) offended by Trumps words but (deplorably) ignoring
Clintons actual behavior is precisely why people don't like the press (and
why Trumps anti-establishment gig has a following)
@Viva la Migra, @Richard101:This isn't just about what Trump said ten
years ago. This is about how he responded to it now when it surfaced.He has expressed no sign of horror at the person he was then. No sign of
genuine remorse. No apology to the woman he was talking about. No real apology
to other women that he talked approvingly about sexually assaulting women.Instead, what we get is *dismissal* of the seriousness of his comments.
An endorsement of sexual assault is, apparently, just 'locker room
banter'. Well, that sure makes it all right, then. We get a classic
'notpology' ('I apologise *if* I offended anyone') and a
whine about how somebody else said waaaay worse, with the implication that
that's meant to make everything all right somehow. We have had zero
indication that he is bothered by this for any other reason than that it might
hurt his presidential chances. Those comments on their own can only
tell us who Trump was ten years ago. But his response to us now tells us that he
is still that same person now. He is still a person who *endorses sexual
Fortunately, I don't rely on media to form my opinion on who to vote for. I
pray about the issues and look for inspiration like the brethren have suggested.
This article reminds me of a lesson where Satan told 99 truths so a man/woman
would believe one deception. I think I've read 99 truths from Deseret News.
Shame on you, Deseret News, for falling to the continued hysteria from the left.
The left is destroying our country, and if you don't endorse Trump, you
default to the leftists. Say goodbye to religious liberty if Mrs. Clinton is
elected! The left is indeed the most successful religion in America over the
past century, and Mrs. Clinton leads that effort, as a continuation of Mr.
Obama. Mr. Trump isn't perfect, and what was said was said in private more
than 10 years ago. This talk is far less significant than the acts of Mrs.
Clinton in destroying women and their lives. If one doesn't vote for Trump,
it is in effect a vote for leftism and Mrs. Clinton.
Trump hurt himself and his family. Hillary hurt many, many people,
and America. We are electing a President, not man or woman of the
@Richard101 --"The key source for your opinion is a recording of
a private conversation that is 10 years old. Do you have access to all private
conversations, including those of Hillary? If you don't have access to all
those conversations, perhaps you should withhold judgement based on just
one."It only takes one taped confession to convict a
criminal.If some guy was caught on tape saying "Yes, I raped
that woman" -- would you urge us to "withhold judgement base on just
one" tape? No, of course not.And that's exactly what Trump
did. He essentially said "Yes, I've sexually assaulted many women --
and I get away with it because I'm famous." That isn't
something to be ignored or swept under the rug.
Will the endorsement hurt the LDS church and it's religious exemption? The
IRS has gone after Churches that get involved in politics lately. In the last 80
years things have changed. Now any support, directly or indirectly can be used
against their tax exemption, and no matter the disclaimer, many will see it as
an "official" endorsement.
This editorial is shameful. The key source for your opinion is a recording of a
private conversation that is 10 years old. Do you have access to all private
conversations, including those of Hillary? If you don't have access to all
those conversations, perhaps you should withhold judgement based on just one.
I have read the Deseret News for a long time because it strived to be impartial.
The damage has been done. You can't go back, you have joined the
untrustworthy mainstream media.
Then the Deseret News needs to endorse Johnson and shock everyone, most
especially Utah Mormons.
"The idea that Hillary is in any way on a higher moral plain than Donald
Trump is crazy."
"I share your disgust at Trump's comments. They are indefensible.But this is "locker room" talk engaged in at some point by just about
every male member of the species. That doesn't make it right, but it's
what it is."This may be the only correct time to use this
phrase: "Not all men." Definitely not all men.Speaking as a
man, I can say I have never heard any male acquaintance of mine speak about
women in such a horrific fashion, inside locker rooms or outside.
Quit the race because of things he said over a decade ago?Hillary
has done corrupt things within the last few years as a politician! That should
disqualify her! Why haven't you called on her to quit?
@justinbl --"another candidate who has attacked and destroyed
the lives of so many women."You guys keep forgetting that Bill
is not a candidate in this election."Have you ever looked at the
stories of the women that Bill Clinton raped?"There is only one
woman who has accused Bill of rape -- Juanita Broaddrick. And she gave sworn
testimony that no such thing ever happened. Her court case was dismissed because
she contradicted herself and was unbelievable.Again -- if we
impeached Bill over a consensual affair, what is the proper response to bragging
about committing sexual assault?
Another left-wing manufactured hysteria to take attention away from
Hillary's open borders proposal, etc. etc.
I share your disgust at Trump's comments. They are indefensible.But
this is "locker room" talk engaged in at some point by just about every
male member of the species. That doesn't make it right, but it's what
it is.As much as I might have reservations about Trump, the election is 4
weeks away. It's WAY too late to be making substitutions. We only HAVE
two choices: Trump or Clinton. Any pipe dreams about Pence stepping in, or some
TRAILING third party candidate to suddenly move to the front is just that - a
PIPE DREAM.Is the Deseret News suggesting that Hillary should be our next
president? Because that would be the result of Trump stepping down, OR a
significant "Dump Trump" movement.Like it or not, Trump is the
only available solution to #NeverHillary.I'll be going to the polls
next month, holding my nose, and selecting Trump as our next president.
All of these former Republican devotees, newspapers, and officials do not
support Trump because he is insupportable.
I don't really like Trump either, but I find it ridiculous that you can
publish dozens of hit pieces on one candidate and nothing about the other. If
this isn't an endorsement of Hillary, then I don't know what you call
What?? And you are going to ignore everything Clinton has done? Why
don't you demand that she resign ovr Bengazhi == "Who cares about four
people dying?", her lies to the victims' families about the video, her
lies to Congress and the American people, allowing top secret communications to
be exposed, her attacks on those victims of her husband??WHAT ARE
I agree it sounds despicable and I do not believe Trump to be a moral man.However, what really bothers me is that you attack one candidate because
of his attitude toward women, but ignore the absolutely reprehensible acts of
another candidate who has attacked and destroyed the lives of so many women.
Have you ever looked at the stories of the women that Bill Clinton raped? Many
of them say they were more damaged by their treatment from Hilary than from
Bill.I used to like Deseret News because I liked the spiritual
articles, but I have been so fed up by your political maneuverings lately that I
have decided to cancel my subscription.
Wow, this article garnered a lot of comments; hope to read them in a bit.I find it rather ironic that Deseret news would take this stance. I
agree with every word of this article; I even agree with the opinion that Trump
should resign his candidacy.However, the establishment that brought
us Trump is the very establishment that Deseret News and her sister station KSL
have pushed over and over. That of closed Republican votes. Having a closed
system reverses the purpose of a Representative government.Rather
than having an elected official represent the people's will within the
government; such a closed system makes the the candidate a representative of a
political party to the people. And Trump is the very poster boy for what the
Republican party itself has become.In Deseret News's words:
"hucksterism, misogyny, narcissism and latent despotism"In
My words: "representative of only big business, elitism, political
partisanship, fear mongering, war mongering, anti-constitutionalism, even
divisional leadership."Every point and purpose of the Republican
platform serves only the above; Republican's do not serve the people.
I wrestled with this opinion for the past few days and although I cannot endorse
Trump, I can't fully agree with the opinion.Many faithful
members of the church are converts. I have been through the Temple with members
that use to be prior gang members. Prior to being a member, they have done
things that would offend any ears or eyes. Like our Savior, my love out pours
to them that have made this change. The Atonement gives this gift to all His
children. I wonder how many EQ Pres., HPGL, Bishops, and even Stake Presidents
had moments of the "Natural Man" 11 years prior in their life. If
somehow, tapes surfaced of these individuals, would the local leader(s) remove
them from their calling? I wonder how many of our faithful members will look
back in their past because of this opinion and feel that repentance won't
be available to them or that the church will shun on them if they disclose
"natural man" experiences prior to baptism.The Atonement is
available to all God's children. It is the most important gift and
blessing that we can teach - no one should be afraid or ashamed to come forward
no matter what they have done in their life.
I CAN'T HARDLY BELIEVE IT!!!My church owned newspaper publicly
snubbing Mr. Trump. This should never happen..."The
Brethren have told us to NOT mix religion & Politics!"
Thank you DN for this editorial. My family is grateful to see a news agency
taking a stand for decency. Trump is pure decisiveness and will always be so.
While most of his supporters have genuine concerns that must be addressed by our
government, the first step is to stop digging our country into a deeper hole by
pretending that Trump is anything other than a serious danger to our democracy.
It's time to own up to this fact and work to unify our country under
Hillary. At least with my family and congregation in Ohio, this editorial has
helped mold hearts to accept the reality that Hillary's faults are not in
the same ballpark as Trump's.
@Happypappy1958 Oct. 9, 2016 10:30 p.m.Once again I am sickened by
what is on the tapes but Donald Trump tonight stated that he actually never done
the things to women that he foolishly said on that tape. -----------------Unfortunately, from a number of court cases filed
and a number of interviews I've heard, Donnie didn't just stop at
talking. He actually did the things he talked about, and worse. And that is
truly sickening and deplorable.
Donald Trump should not resign his campaign. He won the GOP nomination fair and
square.Moderate and Religious conservative should just understand
that this is what the GOP has become.The "Tea Party"
republicans are into name calling, nastiness, etc... They completely freaked out
when we the people elected our first Black president. Gun prices doubled - no
new gun regulation. The economy improved, but that just was not good enough.No The Donald should stay on the ticket. Hillary should win, and we
should get at least 4 more years of a Clinton in the White House. Maybe then
the GOP can figure out how to play along nicely with the rest of the country,
stop the divisiveness, an finally reach across the aisle to get some meaningful
legislation passed that our country so desperately needs.
Like the critics of the controversial Orrin Porter Rockwell, the DN and
supporters of this "opinion" are demonizing Trump for his behavior - not
his legacy. Bombastic, yes. Objectifying, yes. Extremely sophomoric, yes.
But, like the constitution framers who were described by the Lord as being
"wise" - not moral - Trump has manifested that he is "wise"
enough to fight the left AND the right to nominate adjudicators who will
preserve "the rights and protection of all flesh," which will safeguard
religious liberty. Morality management is the responsibility of divinely
designed ministries - not government - as revealed in the Canon that is
distributed by the Church that enables the publishing of this "opinion"
banter. It would be "wise" for the DN and its readers to be less like
"ites," and focus on preserving the Constitution. Only one candidate
expresses this desire.
waterperson - Nixon wasn't forced to resign because he deleted a few
seconds of tape. He had his campaign break into the room of his
opposition's campaign and steal from them.
Susan Roylance, writing in Pence will just mean your vote won't count,
literally. If the person you write in is not listed as a candidate qualified
for write in votes, it will not be counted. You should vote for Evan McMullin.
My feeling about your position is Congratulations! "A light to lighten the
Gentiles!" and so forth. My calm thought, however, is "Well,
it took you long enough -- but better late than never." -dlj.
I disagree with you Deseret News. Trump made these remarks 11 years ago. He
has apologized several times. No question he is more brash being from New York
City and what not. But he is the GOP candidate. He will select Supreme Court
Justices that are conservative! Clinton will NOT do the same, but the
opposite.With all of Trump's error in speaking, as evidenced, I
totally stand by him.Furthermore, I did not see your Opinion
Editorial in the Deseret Newspaper on Friday Oct. 7th or 8th. Are you fearful
of putting it in the paper itself?I've loved the Deserey News
all my life. But I do NOT stand with you on this subject. And do think it wise
that you consider staying out of the political arena. You have made an error on
I am disappointed in this editorial and in the politicians who have leaped at
this latest opportunity to withdraw support for Mr. Trump. I just watched the
2nd presidential debate. At the end each candidate was asked to say something
good about their opponent. Hillary said Trump had a nice family and that
reflected well of him. I was having difficulty trying to think of something
Trump could say about Hillary. At first I thought, "she is a child of
God," but realized Trump would never come up with that. Then it came to me,
She doesn't quit." That is essentially what Trump said. She
doesn't quit, even after all her reprehensible behavior. He should not
quit either. It is disingenuous to suggest he should.
It is a sad day when the publication which is the faced of the Church of Jesus
Christ gets involved in political quicksand of evil. Even if the leaders of the
church don't personally endorse your article directly it is implied because
your publication is owned and controlled by the church leadership. There is a
reason why the church has and does not endorse candidates for the last 80 years.
And since the Deseret News is financially supported by the LDS Church it offends
me that my tithing is being used in a way that involves such reckless deeds.
What will be the next step since you have crossed the line with church
standards, individual leaders preaching in church their political
recommendations, or personal selections using their positions as if it is the
correct doctrine. You are wrong it is no wonder our church membership is
shrinking and the world is developing an unfavorable opinion of us..
This explains the change in moderating and choice of articles the past year. If
you support Clinton, say so, don't feign being upset over words compared to
Once again I am sickened by what is on the tapes but Donald Trump tonight stated
that he actually never done the things to women that he foolishly said on that
tape. I suspected that it was him in a caught up in a (great is me Mr celebrity
moment)trying to make a younger guy laugh and in a very vulgar way gain envy
from the younger guy. I never for a moment actually ever thought he had or would
do what he told Billy Bush and I doubt if Bush took him serious either. I was in
the US Army infantry and you wouldn't believe what grown men will do to try
to look manly and crazier than the rest. That unfortunately is the nature of the
natural man and all of us have our lowest moments in our lives that we would be
extremely ashamed and look horrible in the sight of our fellow man if those
moments were caught on video. I understand if your conscience cannot bring you
to vote for Donald Trump but it is way too late and would be way too damaging to
the GOP if he wore to step down at this late hour.
If you supported Bill Clinton, you have no credibility in saying you are
offended by Trump. You gave that away and it is no longer yours to take back.
I want Trump to stay in...because, I want Hillary Clinton to beat him...
Hey lets be mature -"Stay impartial DNews."Stay
impartial??!!!NO legitimate newspaper should "stay
impartial."That would be ridiculous.There is right
and there is wrong, and you're suggesting that newspapers should take a
position somewhere in between the two?That makes NO sense.
While I agree with them, especially after this leak, I think the DNews should be
careful in picking a side. The media should be impartial. But it isn't
unfortunately. The mainstream media is dishonest, and Fox News can be
embarrassingly obviously at times. Stay impartial DNews
@RG --"he (allegedly) actually forcibly raped women."No. The only woman who has accused Clinton of rape (Broaddrick) gave
sworn testimony that no such thing ever happened.In contrast, Trump
himself bragged on that tape about committing multiple forcible sexual
assaults.THAT is a big, big difference.
Two imperfect candidate, but only one could be charged with "high crimes and
misdemeanors." I am more concerned about the democrat candidate's
propensity to elicit and make public private information she has gathered
through hook or crook to use against her political enemies. This is a
career-long pattern with her, going back to the Rose Law Firm, Filegate, etc.
This has been done to totally avoid her having to actually answer substantive
questions about her record. She has no desire for anyone to mention Benghazi,
Pay-for-play, classified information breeches, and her 'bimbo squad'
attacks on her husband's innocent female victims. Under her, we would have
a police state rivaled only by East Germany under the STASI.
I agree with your assessment. But the republicans have only themselves to blame
for foisting this fool on the American public. Too late to call a
"do-over."Just a comment about your choice of the word
"belie" (Trump’s banter belies a willingness to use and discard
other human beings at will. That characteristic is the essence of a despot.). I
think the proper word should have been "evinces," since his banter
demonstrates a willingness to use and discard others. Unfortunately, this is a
commonly misused word today.
@ Frozen Fractals. Not disagreeing about Trump. But Hillary is not just
"annoyed with women her husband cheated on her with." First, she bullied
and threatened them and tried to silence them (or at least is strongly alleged
to have done so.) Not just annoyed. And second, her husband didn't just
(allegedly) cheat on her with other women, he (allegedly) actually forcibly
raped women. That's a huge, huge, difference.
This opinion is weak and is an endorsement for HILLARY HRC. Hillary is equally
as pathetic and disgusting. Where is the don't vote opinion and headline
for Hillary?As i am one of the flock of the local religion...I am
ashamed of the deseret news once again. As the political neutral opinion was
read from the pulpit today...i am to say the least concerned, by the church
owned news press. HRC is equally disgusting and in my humble opinion
worse than TRUMP.sad state of affairs when the press and the local
religion gets to this point...favoring one disgust over another, specially when
the Church says it is neutral in elections and politics.I expect the
deseret news aka the voice of the church to give HRC equal disdain in the press.
BOTH candidates should step down. we have an idiot and a criminal to choose
from. This "race" has polarized the USA, caused many voters to consider
voting for "the lesser of two evils," and caused some people to plan not
to vote at all. We have a better population than these ideas, and should have
found some good candidates out of millions of qualified good people. Hill and
Trump are ridiculous examples of what our country has to offer.
Wow. After wading through these comments. Praise. Anger. Disbelief. Every
emotion possible regarding the call the DN editorial board has made.Here's my take. Donald Trump is the worst presidential candidate we have
ever had, bar none. The DN editorial board was correct in making the call for
him to step down. This tape and what was said on it was the final straw for me.
This idea that boys will be boys and this is what men talk about when they are
alone is just plain nonsense. Honestly, the tape as the Deseret News said gives
locker rooms a bad name.What was said in this tape from Trump is
just more accumulation that shows his true character. He ADVOCATED sexual
assault against a married woman. He laughed about it, he bragged about it.
Vulgarity at its best. This was no youthful indiscretion here.
Trump was 60 years old, newly married, an expectant father, father of 4 at the
time.I could not explain a vote for Trump to my wife, daughters or
granddaughters.Trump will never get my vote.
@Brent Garner --"Is it possible Trump has a different viewpoint
now?"This is not just about a "viewpoint".That videotape records a man bragging about committing physical sexual
assaults. Plural."Show me a democrat willing to do that!"Hillary has apologized multiple times when appropriate. And she
didn't try pointing fingers at other people when she did it, either."Finally, he has promised to do better."If a man on
the street was caught intimately groping and kissing women he didn't know,
would you let him go as long as he promised to do better, or would you have him
arrested?"Clinton apologizes for nothing."Not at
all true. Three quick examples:1. the e-mail server:
"I should have used two accounts. That was a mistake. I'm sorry about
that. I take responsibility."2. the "basket of
deplorables": "I was 'grossly generalistic' and that's
never a good idea. I regret saying 'half' – that was
wrong."3. authorizing the Iraq war: "I thought I had... made
the best decision I could with the information I had.... But I still got it
Trump is easily the greatest republican since Lincoln.
To all those denouncing Trump, consider this. First, yes, the comments were very
inappropriate. Second, they are from 11 years ago. Is it possible Trump has a
different viewpoint now? And, should we go back into your history and search for
inappropriate comments you made and hold you accountable for them? Is that what
you would we do? Third, Trump acknowledged his error, unlike Clinton and the
Democrats who never admit to any error. Additionally, he stated he was wrong.
Show me a democrat willing to do that! Finally, he has promised to do better.
Clinton apologizes for nothing. Not for murder. Not for treason. Not for
breaking the law. Not for cheating in the election--talk to Mr. Sanders about
that. So, who would you rather have? Someone who admits their error, changes,
and works to be better? Or would you rather have someone who thinks of herself
as a Queen who never has to account for anything she does?
Setting politics aside, there are literally millions of good people in this
Country who support Trump over Hillary, many of them good Christians who are not
Members of the LDS Church. Most of them who see this associate Deseret News
with The LDS Church, and will be aware of the Church's policy of
neutrality. Can we expect any of them to give The LDS church an honest
consideration after this? No, Most of them will shut there minds completely to
any message associated with this Church! The mission of the Church is to bring
people to Christ, not to alienate them by the millions! Again I call for a
retraction of this article and a public apology.
A lot of people aren't paying attention when they say something like
"oh it's just Trump saying things". He's talking about things
he does. He's not just saying something like "she's really
attractive" (that's common). Nor is he just saying a dirtier version of
that (not appropriate but not surprising). He's not even talking about what
he'd like to do to them (even less appropriate). He's talking about
actually groping women and kissing them because he just thinks he can.
That's a description of sexual assault. And it fits a lot of what stories
are out there about him from women. And you think that's just
as bad as Hillary being annoyed with people her husband cheated on her with?
Oh decisions decisions...All that's left to decide is what to
write in on my ballot with my little pen:Mitt/PencePence/MittMitt/Condaleezza RiceMitt/Colin PowellPence/PowellRice/PowellYou've got to admit,
any of these combinations would care a million times more about the country and
its inhabitants than the two 'sorry excuses' for a Presidential
candidate the Dems and GOP currently have running.Any of these
combinations-- or other combinations of them--could come up with actual rational
feasible fixes for the country's problems.Not to mention the
fact that there is more integrity,morality and principle in any of their little
fingers than in the 'two sorry choices' put together. Have been practicing my penmanship for a write-in because I decided long ago I
will never bare any responsibility for the trainwreck that will befall this
country if either the Dem or GOP win. The country will lose in
catastrophic ways with either one.Never Hillary/Never Trump
Not sure the Deseret News' editors would have had the guts to render the
same opinion had Trump been the Democratic Party's nominee. Further, I
don't recall this paper's editors being equally upset over Bill
Clinton's actions (not words) while in office. But this isn't
surprising. The Democratic Party and its media minions have consistently brushed
off the immoral antics of its party faithful, while pointing a finger of shame
and scorn at any Republican doing the same or less.
"But Hillary's just as bad! No, worse!" Right. The nation has heard
that argument and guess what? It's not working. One look at the state
polling will tell you that. In future years, when you have to face your
daughters and tell them that this guy was the pony you backed, I hope you all
can keep from curling up in the fetal position in shame. But then, most of you
will probably claim you sat out the election that year anyway. The thing you all
should consider (and I'm just asking that you consider this) is the role
you yourself as Americans played in bringing your party to the point where you
have to defend Donald Trump. Where Donald Trump became your only option.
You'll be asking yourself that a lot over the next eight years. Because
make no mistake about it, my Utah Republican friend, you created this candidate.
He's all yours.
#writeinmitt C'mon Utah, let's make it happen.
I am glad you did this editorial. But, why did it take you so long? Trump is a
moral issue and you have taken him to the woodshed, but so is the gun slaughter
going on. Why do you not support reasonable efforts to make life safer for
innocent people. You editorialized that nothing should be done on that issue
because nothing can be done.
I'm heartened by this. The simplest lesson we've all learned over and
over from the Book of Mormon is that the character and moral compass of our
leaders directly influences the moral direction of the country. Donald Trump is
driven by greed and the love of money - nothing else. He believes he should be
able to fulfill his base desires on a whim, at any cost, because he has the
money and power to do so. I've not heard a single word from his mouth that
is lovely or of good report, and therefore, I cannot seek after him. He truly is
the next scandal waiting to tarnish again, like Bill Clinton, the office of the
Come on Deseret News, your neutral on partisan politics. Give me a break.
Where's your great liberal columnists. Let's stop pretending.
" I for one am going to take Donald Trump at his word but I do expect more
adult and mature behavior in the future.""This tape was 10
years old. His comments were very offensive but hopefully he has
evolved."Gee folks, Trump was 59 when he made the comments, he
is now 70. Not like he was "frat" age. Face it, this is Trump
The Deseret News doesn't ask the candidate to withdraw who viciously
disparaged and, according to Bill's former advisor Dick Morris, hired men
to terrify them into silence to protect the Clinton's aspirations, but
asked the candidate who spoke inappropriately to withdraw.
I'm sorry but this eleven year old tape of Trump having a private
conversation with a friend only shows that Trump, like many men and women talk
about each other's stuff. Its not something anyone should do, but many of
us, if not the vast, vast majority, sometime in our life speak of such things
with a friend or friends. It, thank goodness, doesn't mean we can't
run businesses, fix bad trade deals, control our borders, fix our economy,
appoint conservative judges, and create good jobs. Before you judge this man
take a hard look in the mirror and then be the first one to cast a stone.
Hillary can't win on merit, so she, of all people, is throwing stones. We
cannot let her win her judges, leave our borders open and continue her pay for
play business with countries that wish us harm. We have every right to be upset
over this tape, but take a hard look at the terrible alternative of not just
Hillary, but also Billy who you will be putting in the White House. This country
can't survive four years of Hillary with the debt we now have.
The sensationalizing headlines of Trump are an easy marks to scream for
resignation. It takes more effort to prove that Hillary is also unfit to be
president. The PBS Frontline documentaries on Egypt, Syria, and ISIS are a good
place for DN to investigate how unfit Hillary is to be president. Next, read
the Wilkileaks speeches Hillary made for Wall St, then talk to the NYT reporters
who have been investigating the relationship between Hillary and Goldman Sachs
with 2008 financial crisis. At the very best, Hillary is a hypocrite who is
completely incompetent to be president. At worst she is the same as Trump,
without a hot mic to validate. The American people need to force the political
parties to nominate other candidates. 90% of the American population
doesn't trust the current ones.
This tape was 10 years old. His comments were very offensive but hopefully he
has evolved. My husband can't believe how men are shocked at what he said.
He says that he has heard vulgar comments where men are together. We travel a
lot and whether in a bathroom or in line at a store etc. I have heard women make
comments that would make Trumps read as a fairy tale. We were in Utah on a job
for 5 months. Utah is a special place that seems to be shrouded from the
vulgarities of the rest of the country. Donald has made vulgar statements but
you really have to weigh who will do more damage to our country. She is a
globalist and her views are not in line with our constitution.
Are you guys serious? You really want Hillary to win because she will not be
able to implement her policies anyway? You are aware of the US Supreme Court and
the federal court system, right? If Hillary is elected we will be stuck with her
far-left appointments for decades. You want religious freedom? You will get it
under Trump, not Clinton. Clinton will go after the 1st and 2nd Amendments like
other liberal presidents have done, through activists placed on the courts. And
as for peace Dr. Helen Coldicott (one of the world's most renowned
authorities on the destruction nuclear war, even a limited one, would have)has
noted recently that Hillary has never seen a war she did not like. I for one
have children. I could care less what Trump said. I do not want my children
sacrificed for some stupid war or my civilization sacrificed if it goes full
mushroom. Trump is the peace and freedom candidate, Hillary is not!
I believe that The Deseret News, and all of the Utah Leaders who have denounced
Donald Trump should have long ago denounced Hillary Clinton and called on her to
step down. Her crimes are 100x worse and more consequential than anything Donald
Trump has done. Yes what he said in a private moment was disgusting and
unacceptable but it was never meant to be for public ear. I for one am not going
to let others determine the election by springing October surprises on me. I
fought hard for a different candidate during the GOP primary but the people
chose Donald Trump and I said I would stand by our nominee. Donald
Trump has said that being out on the campaign trail has really changed him
hearing mothers who lost sons stories etc. He said he is not the same man he was
in 2005. The scriptures as I read them teaches me the gospel of
Jesus Christ and he says one should be willing to forgive 7 x 70 times. Where
was the Deseret News in 1992 calling on Bill Clinton to step down as many
stories of sexual abuse and corruption were brought to light while he was
running? I for one am going to take Donald Trump at his word but I do expect
more adult and mature behavior in the future.
The Democrat attack machine is in full operation. Democrats cannot defend
Hillary. They cannot defend her very personal attacks on the women that Bill
molested. They cannot defend her lies before Congress. They cannot defend her
lies about her health. They cannot defend the voter fraud uncovered in Chicago,
in Nevada and in Virginia. They cannot defend Hillary nor can they defend the
actions of their Party, so why do they jump when Hillary sinks to another
unspeakable low in her attemp to deflect our attention from her lies and her
provable actions? Their attacks on Trump show them for what they are. It is
totally unbelievable that the Deseret News would call for Trump to step down
without also demanding that Hillary step down. The Constitution is hanging by a
tread and the Court has a vacancy. Those who have been so easily manipulated by
the Clinton machine are willing to hold Hillary's hand as she stomps all
over that contract. She wants the government to control our guaranteed right to
keep and bear arms. The Constitution prohibits government from doing that; yet
the gullible will be deflected from the central issue in this election.
"Although she comes with extraordinary experience"Truly she
does have extraordinary experience, no one else in the history of the USA has
ever created such an efficient system of profiting from public office.Neither Trump nor Hillary nor Johnson nor Stein. All four have expressed
desires to continue the multi-generational abuse of the Constitution. Castle
2016! The only candidate who actually understands and can articulate a
Constitutional solution to the grave problems this nation faces!
He'll resign right after Hillary goes to prison. :) everyone wins. And
everyone exercises justice. Otherwise. Im still voting for Trump. "In my
opinion", the actions from Hillary's recent and distant past far
outweigh the words from Trump's recent and distant past. We
ought to be outraged for the right reasons - before picking at mote in thy
brothers eye, behold the beam in thine own eye.~ III
Funny how Democrats are now putting on self-righteous and self-congratulatory
hats at the prospect of keeping an immoral man who sexually harasses women out
of the White House. Oh, wait. To my Democrat friends: Where were your voices 20
years ago? Can you really condemn Trump and support Clinton at the same time?
What have you done to keep your most reckless of candidates in this
country's history out of the White House? You have ample proof of
Hillary's corruption, so please, don't make yourselves look like
hypocrites by trying to take the high ground while Trump falls. Rather than
patting yourselves on the back, thank your Republican friends, many of whom
still believe in moral principles rather than the moral relativism espoused by
too many in both parties, and many of whom have never wavered in denouncing this
rascal or in opposing his nomination. When Trump fails to get the White House,
it won't be because of Democrats. It will be because of Republicans. Some
of them still understand that losing an election is far more acceptable than
losing their integrity.
If you really want to be fair and unbiased, will you also call on Clinton to
drop out. Making a stand only against one face of evil and not the other seems
to tacitly justify Hillary's actions as less reprehensible. How evil must a
politician become before you are willing to call on her to step down? As immoral
as I've always suspected Trump to be (by his own admission, he's never
repented of anything), we've had a hundred times more proof of
Hillary's character--and her utter hypocrisy on the issue of sexual
harassment. Are you skipping Hillary because her evil character is already so
well established while Trump's may still be in doubt? Or is it because
Democrats obviously don't care about horrible Hillary is as long as she
lets them put their hands in the sugar bowl? Or is it because the Deseret News
hopes Republicans won't share the Democrat's apathy? You know
we're not in the primaries anymore, right? America lost when these two
rascals won their parties' nominations. The voice of the people have
already chosen wickedness, and the resounding reply is that they don't
The hypocrisy is breathtaking. So where was all this indignant reaction back in
the day of Bill C? This was just talk, Bill's were actions. Where was
HILLARY's indignation? Where is the GOPs indignation concerning
compromising our national security, deletion of emails, Benghazi, the Clinton
Foundation? If our "leaders" had acted on numerous issues with integrity
over the years, we would never have needed a Donald Trump today. In my opinion,
his lack of integrity in that recording is far less harmful than the lack of
integrity that all of government has had over the years in giving us the shaft
and throwing away our country. Glass house, indeed.I'm not
defending what he said, but I am shocked at the hypocrisy that members of the
church and the DN is displaying. Is anyone giving the benefit of the doubt that
he just might be a different person today than he was then? Where is the
DN's call for Hillary's resignation from her crimes? From her
complicit relationship with her husband's illicit relationships? I'm
Let he amoung you who is without sin throw the many stones from Utah!
I get so tired of the argument that people don't like Hillary because she
is a strong woman -- because Hillary is *not* a strong woman.She is a
follower. She never leads on a policy. She waits until an issue is supported
by most Democratic voters and then boldly and courageously comes forward as the
champion of that cause. And when the wind blows the other way and voters change
their minds -- Hillary follows. Has she *ever* stood up and stated, "This
is where I stand -- even if I stand alone...?" Never. Now,
Margaret Thatcher was a strong woman, whether or not you agree with her
policies. She could wither the entire British Parliament with the strength of
her conviction. She did not hesitate to stand alone on something she believed
in -- even if it meant losing. She knew who she was and what she believed in --
and was unafraid to be the first out of the gate with it. Enough
I do not imagine Trump will step down. But, the same, I appreciate all the calls
for him to do so. My vote currently is with Evan McMullin and will likely remain
there. Why would I vote for someone I don't want just so someone else I
don't want won't get elected when there is someone who I can vote for
who I do like? If three candidates are in the room, and you only like one of
them, vote for him. Should this mean Hillary will win, I believe Hillary the
better choice than Trump, anyway.
Fortunately, real Christians, who actually have faith in the Gospel of Christ,
will not condemn Trump but instead will recognize his professed belief in
Christ, repentance, plea to God for forgiveness, and feeling of cleansing as a
result, in concert with his participation in the administration of the Bread and
Wine. And yes he has testified of and described each of these things, if one
carefully listens, for instance, to the unedited, non-truncated frank luntz
interview of several months ago, which frequently and dishonestly has been
cherry-picked and twisted to falsely suggest Trump has never felt a need to
repent. True Christians also will recognize Trump's much good fruit which
he indeed has brought forth meet for Repentance. Among these fruits are an
admirable marriage to wife of eleven years Melania and a successful fatherhood
to five, sterling children.
The LDS church should retract this article. The Church has no business getting
involved in politics and telling people who to vote for or that a candidate
should drop out. Shame on Deseret News for this article. Thankfully, people can
think for themselves and realise that Donald Trump is the only option available
to make the changes necessary to turn America around.
Any calls for Trump to resign should be attached to calls for Clinton to resign.
"A nation is born Stoic, but dies Epicurean."- Will
RogersWe deserve whatever happens to us as we have become the most
hedonistic of countries, more Epicurean than any in history. Our stoic, Pioneer
forefathers would not recognize the country they started or fought and died for.
"He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."
Evil is a pretty strong word to use in this context. Trump was speaking the
words of a natural man, who was out of touch with God. Since that time,
according to his religious leaders, he has had a change of heart and has sought
forgiveness and has embraced Christianity as defined by the dictates of his
conscious and faith. Who are we to judge him by something that was recorded
years ago, before this change of heart?If you want to look for evil,
perhaps you should spend some time looking at the coordination between the
Clinton campaign and George Soros. If there ever was an evil man upon the
earth, Mr. Soros fits the bill. He has spent Millions of dollars stirring up
people into contention, and causing misery throughout the world. He helped fund
the sometimes violent Occupy and BLM movements which has led to police officers
being killed across the country.Trump is definitely a flawed human
being, and if his name were to be presented for a sustaining vote in a church
context, it would probably be appropriate to examine his worthiness. I'm
not sure our constitution would survive another 4 years of "progressive"
leadership from Clinton.
I agree with those who have opined that this is all very one-sided. I hope that Mr Trump is sincere in his pledge (did anyone else hear it?) that
he will be a better man in the future. Deride this if you will but his pledge
long ago to never drink alcohol was kept with exactness all of his life.DT now works so hard day after day he has not time for dalliances or
lewd conduct or loose talk.Again it is certainly true that we have
had a great many immoral presidents who hid their nefarious deeds or who denied
them and contrived to silence whistle blowers. Some of these we still applaud
for what are thought to be redeeming acts. We all recognize this, and the many
denials we are seeing now from another candidate. Is national
security and respect for human life of no interest? Yet we hear a call from one
candidate to drone to death one who reveals what it was hoped could be hidden by
the deletion of tens of thousands of items of evidence, following a subpoena for
that evidence. The same candidate has said: the unborn child has no
We still support Trump. If not Hillary will get in and we will pay the price
along with our children. Hillary has so many scandals including protecting Bill
Clinton after he assaulted all of those women and Hillary threatened these women
for coming forward. Also Benghazi where Americans died because of Hillary. How
about all those emails she "lost" by deleting them. Hillary
lied while Americans died. Nixon deleted seconds on a tape and he had to resign,
while Hillary deleted thousands of emails and is running for President. WHAT?
Hillary should be in prison if the head of the FBI did his job
instead of getting millions from the Clinton Foundation. I rest my case.
I agree with the editorial but why did it take an audio tape to take this kind
of action? EVERYONE already knew Trump was classless, immoral, an adulterer,
arrogant, obnoxious, and a braggart. Why the indignation now? And, since we are
discussing evil...is it also evil and repugnant to encourage and support the
killing of millions of unborn children? If so, where is the outrage against
Clinton who is abortion's best friend? Selective moral outrage. Both
candidates are so bad it is unbelievable it has come down to this. 350 million
plus people in this country and our candidates are Clinton and Trump. If I were
to just wake up from a 2 year coma, I would literally believe this was all some
People generally marry who they deserve, and the U.S. is soon going to have
another joke of a president that it very much deserves. The
Trump/Clinton clown show that is the 2016 U.S. election reflects perfectly the
pathetic and embarrassing state of this once-great nation as it circles
history's toilet bowl. “As democracy is perfected, the
office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the
people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach
their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a
downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.” - H.L. Mencken, the
Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920Mencken's prophesy has been
regularly fulfilled for years.
"We are neutral on matters of partisan politics.""Clinton promotes social and economic policies we cannot support . . .
"Ain't neutrality grand!
May I recall from memory other presidents, candidates and high profile political
figures that have behaved equally poorly.Grover Cleveland was father
to an illegitimate child.Franklin Delano Roosevelt, had a mistress
while president.John F. Kennedy's escapades are the subject of
many books.Wilbur Mills, Chairman of the House Ways and Means
Committee, had a mistress.Gary Hart, Senator from Colorado a
candidate, of sorts, whose "Monkey Business" yacht photo scuttled his
candidacy.Warren G. Harding, President had skeletons in his
closet.Bill Clinton had allegations of rape, brushed over by his
wife and others, let alone the "blue dress". I declined to
include people in the entertainment/sports industry as the comments are limited
in scope.Power, money and fame make some people feel they are
invincible, above the law or commonly accepted good manners. While many are
boiling the tar and selecting the pillow(s) for the feathers I think that the
pseudo piety of many politicians and public figures is a bit much to stomach.My choice for president? None of the above.
Agree that he should step down. HOWEVER, you should have also called for Hillary
to step down. Her history of pay for play, Benghazi, destroying the women bill
raped, destroying thousands of records after they were subpoenaed by congress
etc etc etc is more than enough to strip her of the chance for the presidency.
Evan Mcmullin is looking extremely presidential right now.
Donald is crude and arrogant. Hillary is uncaring, crooked, a liar and immoral.
There isn't much of a choice. They both should resign. Neither will.
They both have very terrible backgrounds and personalities. Hillary's might
actually be worse. I like Trump's policies better than Hillary's. I
believe they will be better for the country. I guess I will vote for him.
The town-hall meeting Sunday evening is going to be very, very, very
interesting.Here's a prediction: People from the audience will
ask him some difficult questions and won't toss softballs at him as
supporters did at his "practice session" last week. Trump will become
upset, will storm off the stage and shout that the whole thing was
"rigged" against him. Either that, or he will completely
lose his cool and attack the members of the audience who dare ask difficult
questions.Hillary probably won't have to say a word as Trump
finishes destroying himself. (At least I hope he will.)One other
possibility -- Trump will refuse to take part and will claim that it's a
set up by his enemies.One way or another, it's going to be
something worth watching. Want to bet the viewership ratings will set new
records? This is "reality TV" at it's lowest.
Now that DNews has found its moral compass, what are your thoughts on HRC? Does
she have the moral fortitude to be POTUS?
More tapes are now emerging of Trump interviews with shock jock Howard Stern in
which he even makes ugly remarks about his daughter.In the meantime,
even Mike Pence has called for him to step aside and refused to attend the event
with Paul Ryan today -- in place of DJT, who decided not to go.But
why am I not surprised at this? I could see it coming for a long time. Trump
is a textbook example of pathology.
Deseret News Editorial is a direct endorsement of Hillary Clinton. If Trump
drops out per DN editorial then Hillary wins. Shame on you, Deseret News. Looks
like Hillary and the US Government are not the only things that are corrupt.
President Nixon said once, if the American people haven't seen it on TV
they won't believe it. I think it is the opposite to day. You should of
stayed quiet, 80 years you never spoke, I wonder why now. Hmm.
Good stand Deseret News! I trust that our nation will do well under a
Presidency of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Her experience will be an asset to our
As many others watching the comments, I am still waiting for one of the many
claims made against Hillary to be proven factual in a court of law. Because
Rush or Shaun say something happened does not necessarily mean it is so. But we
have tax returns and multiple video recordings of Donald Trump to prove what
people are saying about him. Hillary may be a criminal, but if she
is, she is one of the best around because nobody has been able to convict her
with any of the many "crimes" she supposedly has committed. Many
accusations have been made about Bill's infidelity, but again only Paula
Jones has tried to take him to court, and that was settled without trial.
Lawyers would call that a nuisance settlement, which is very common. She has
been investigated by Jason Chaffetz for most of the last two years and nobody
can prove anything criminal. I understand all the things that she
may be....... but we have a very clear understanding of what Trump is. I would
not argue that lack of quality candidates at the top of the ticket, but Trump
flaws are on stage for everyone to see, Hillary's not so much.
@HutteriteI have to agree. Donald and Hillary are not equals.
Hillary is much, much worse.
Trump said terrible things about women. Bill Clinton DID terrible things to
women and his wife help cover them and was actually enabler. I think I'll
take the terrible thinker over the terrible doers.
I presume that all of us agree that JFK, Bill Clinton, and a number of other
past presidents should have "stepped down" based on their
well-documented "activitiesHowever, if you insist, please also
insist that Hillary bow out as well. Then we would be left with Pence and Kaine
and we saw in their debate who is the better choice.
"America’s locker rooms deserve better." That is a great line
from this editorial. And certainly, if locker rooms deserve better, the
presidency deserves better.I am concerned with those Republicans who
still support Trump "because he his better than Hillary". This contest
is to select our president. Neither Trump nor Hillary are worthy of the
presidency and neither should be supported or voted for.Evan
McMullin is running and is a very good choice. Watch for the
Republican Party to hopefully drop Trump and select a new candidate that we can
vote for...perhaps Mike Pence.
I would never consider voting for a boor like Trump, except it's impossible
not to consider the only viable alternative. I'd vote for an Ebola virus
before I'd vote for Hillary Clinton.
All of this, and I'm talking from both sides, is like watching the coming
attractions of very, very bad movie that will play ad nauseam for the next four
years. Are you ready for this?
What trump said was horrible. But here we are judging a person for what was said
11 to 12 years ago. I don't know if He regretted that day and asked
forgiveness from the Lord. Only the Good Lord knows that. But I do know we all
made mistakes in our past. rRemember he that is without sin cast the first
stone. And all religions teach forgiveness and a lot of people seem to be
forgetting this. I will be the first to admit Trump has a lot of issues most of
it is talk. The clintons are all action. They have broken almost every rule.
They sell out to the highest bidder. Both Hillary and Bill is only after the
money, nothing else matters. Deals like Selling uranium mines to the Russians
all the way to dismantling the Mx misleading systems this country spend billions
to upgrade our defences. Not to mention the Chinese could not launch a satellite
or have a accurate nuclear missile. Bill Clinton comes along and sends techs to
China to show them what they were doing wrong. Trump may be crass but he
won't sell out our country. We are electing a president not a pope are a
apostle. M voting trump the lesser of 2 evils.
You can stand up and say Trump is not a good candidate but do not say the same
about Hillary. She is equally as bad. To me this is a bad editorial because it
ignores all the lies that Hillary has done. Be fair and tell the truth about
all candidates. The press needs to be equal in reporting. I just think this
is a sad commentary on today's press. Deseret News is only half right.
Please report the other half.
If Trump resigns, Hillary Clinton wins by default. She immediately imports a
half million New Democrat voters. Her actions are upheld by her friends on the
Supreme Court. Congress has already showed itself powerless.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for all the foreign donors to the Clinton
Foundation. They can't wait to have access to the white house.Please remember that as you waste time asking for Trump to resign.
In your opinion, his words are worse than her actions, what Hillary has done to
women in covering up the sexual abuse of Bill Clinton is by far worse than any
words spoken 11 years ago by Trump. If you also called for her to step down then
I might consider your "opinion" something to consider. But noooo, Over a
thousand mishandled classified documents, over 100 million in donations from
countries that abuse and even kill women, destroying the credibility of women
abused and some even raped by her husban is not as bad as words spoken by Trump.
This is nothing more than a last minute destruction attack by the
democrats in an effort to keep voters from examining the failed economy, failed
forgin policy, the failed health care, and her personally failing health. You
are of course helping them. She will destroy freedom of religion, the 2nd
ammendment and the constitution, But oh no, Trump said some bad words 11 years
ago. You guys make me sick!
I don't understand why people are so anti-Clinton. She's very
experienced. She is basically like all other politicians, except she's been
much more in the spotlight and in the crosshairs of her opposition. Americans
can't stomach an assertive woman leader, I think. She is certainly much
better than Trump.
The reality is that Hillary Clinton supports abortion through all nine months of
pregnancy up to the moments before birth,” says AVA senior fellow Dr.
Charmaine Yoest! This atrocity alone should offend members of this newspaper
enough to ask her to step down! I find killing the unborn much more upsetting
than anything anyone could say that is offensive! Killing our children is the
worst of the worst, yet we all put blinders up and pretend it is not happening
every single day!
All you liberals,Have you guys literally lost your minds? Clinton is
literally just as bad as Trump.You'll bury your heads in the
sand, but Trump said some nasty things. Hillary criminally abused, and harassed
a sexual assault victim of her husband's.Which is worse? The
words spoken, or the act committed?
The opinion piece mentions "those in the Congress that hold the presidency
in check." Congress has been very effective in enforcing subpoenas, keeping
the FBI from destroying critical evidence and holding the Department of Justice
in check, haven't they? Just ask Congressman Chaffetz. Hillary Clinton
will be an imperial president. With her open borders, hundreds of thousands of
new Democrat voters will pour into our nation and we will become a one party
country. Her liberal Supreme Court will support her actions.
The article is well written and well timed (ballots are sent out this week).I noticed several comments that sound like direct quotes from Sean
Hannity (the comments that attribute great evil to Hillary). Yes, I waste too
many hours listening to Hannity, but also gather news from enough sources to
know that Hannity either lies or misdirects by leaving out complete facts. It
might have been well to condemn Sean Hannity in the same article.I
hope everyone has the strength to vote his/her conscience, and does not base
votes on comments from MSNBC, FoxNews, or talk show hosts (bad sources). Only a
fool votes based on a party name without studying the individual or considering
several sources of news. Utah will likely not make a difference in the
presidential election -- now is a good time to let the major parties know how
you feel about their candidates. Republicans: You can vote on Nov
9th. All others: On or before Nov 8th.
A man who owned a series of beauty pageants and a scam university could never be
a capable leader of the free world. Why it took y'all so long to realize
this should be the should be the subject of your next editorial.
For those who want to call out the DesNews and Trump while supporting Hillary,
we have a saying back home, "It's the pot calling the kettle
black." Trump is a despicable;e human being and so is Hillary. It really
goes to show what we have become as a country and where we are headed. It
really doesn't matter which of them wins, we lose.
I do not condone Trump's words. He was crude and unmanly speaking of women
that way. But please be fair and balanced and ask Hillary to also step down.
Her actions are at least as offensive as Trump's words. She has been
dishonest on so many levels. 30,000+ emails destroyed by BleachBit? What IS
she hiding??Truth is not part of her life or belief system. She is equally
unqualified. Her actions caused the deaths of four American's in
Benghazi. She should step down as well. As was exposed this weekend concerning
her, we do not know which Hillary Clinton we are listening to....the public one
or the private one. At least Trump's words did not cause the death of
American women bought 80 million copies of 50 shades of Grey.
Thank you Desert News for stating the obvious except about Hillary Clinton. I
will vote for her. I'm tired of the past 25 years of partisan politics
where no one on the opposing side is treated with respect. It always seems that
lies are made up, spread, restated, believed, and passed on again without any
knowledge of what ha really happened. When I hear all the people defecting from
Trump and yet just a week ago (let alone months ago) defend him as a moral man,
how can I trust their opinion about Hillary with only their word. The reality of
our politics for the past 25 years is that we have had a clash of not only
cultures but race and sexism that we've had to face within our selves and
we've refused to do it instead we've blamed our President, or
candidates for president who represent what we fear and can't tolerate. I
believe Hillary's platform will make our country better and we can truly
say we are a nation for "We the people." The founding fathers may not
have envisioned our day but we are better as nation when freedom and liberty is
for all instead of a privileged few and this truly shows their genius.
Please take a good hard look at Pence - his history is stunningly corrupt.
Vouchers to evangelical religious education, pay for play, ethical scandals in
his super-majority state house, stripping lawfully elected state superintendent
of education of her powers. He's given tax breaks to Carrier who shipped
Hoosier jobs to Mexico and sponsored multiple other fly-by-night charter
schools, shyster corporations and given grant money to cronies. It's
endless. The single most disturbing thing about Pence is that he is a 7
Mountains Dominionist, the source of all of his anti-refugee, anti-equal
protection under the law executive decisions in Indiana. This law he signed to
coerce women to pay for funerals for miscarriages was the last straw. He knew he
was toast and jumped ship to align with Trump and has been lying for him and
covering his tracks since he arrived on the scene. He's wasted untold
millions of tax payer dollars on rule making that is consistently overturned in
our conservative courts. He's a disaster with true disdain for Latter-Day
Saints. He considers Mormons a cult that requires eradication from public life,
and that's a direct quote.
Really ??? I missed the call for the resignation of Bill Clinton, an accused
rapist and a confessed adulterer with a young employee he exercised power over.
You call for the resignation of someone that bragged about alleged misbehaviour
but ignore someone that was caught engaging in misbehaviour.It is
alarming that you call on one party to pull out of the race during voting? Yet,
you ignore that 5 top aides of Hillary negotiated for criminal immunity for fear
of prosecution for their assigned roles. Hillary is the first candidate ever to
have an aide get criminal immunity. When the new liberal Supreme
court strips the Church and the nation on religious liberty you can seek the
forgiveness you deny to Trump for your role in our loss of liberty.Could this have been more contradictory? Could it have been more poorly
timed? Could it have been less logical and more one-sided? Maybe it is time for
the Church to fire the author of this editorial or examine whether the church
should be involved in political news at all.
Trump should never be president. Hillary Clinton is far from my first choice.
But the party structure of our political system has given us this choice, so one
of them will become our next president. The question we should all be asking
ourselves is this: What do we do to make sure this doesn't happen again?
If our congressmen and governors, etc. can keep things together, we'll get
another chance in four years to make another choice. Are we going to let the
political parties do it to us again? Or can we put enough pressure on the
parties and party leadership to reform themselves and actually work for the good
of the country rather than their own personal interests?
Trump is unacceptable. What I don't understand is that people are just now
realizing it. We basically knew this is how Trump was all along.
Blame Mitt for not having the fortitude to run again.
Of course, but then Pres. Bill Clinton should have resigned also.
Trump should man up and step down. Yes, his reputation was marred long before
this video/audio came out, but this proves Trump's character in HIS words
not just someone else in the room or an alleged victim. He did this all by
himself. What's more troubling is his immature verse of,
"well, Bill said worse on the golf course." You're grown, so
own!Thank you, Deseret News, for taking this stand against
"Courageous"? Thank you D'News for this well written opinion. But
referring to Utah's Republican leadership as "courageous" for now
joining the cry of many in the GOP for Trump to step down is a
mischaracterization. It might have shown some courage had Senator Hatch,
Congressman Chaffitz and Govenor Herbert rebuked Trump months ago when the
behavior and lack of moral bearing properly decried in this opinion piece were
abundantly evident. They went along with this and strict allegiance to party
politics far too long to be heralded "courageous." They now own this
but what could show some personal courageous on their part is for them to now
step down along with Mr. Trump.
So you think we should vote for the communist who is determined to destroy our
OK. Given that my last comment will likely be moderated out of existence,
I'll go the civil route. I'm still scratching my head over why the GOP
and its supporter could not get behind the only true conservative in the race,
Rand Paul. I would have voted for him over either Clinton or Trump. Rand really
does stand up for our civil liberties in Congress and would have been, and still
would be, an awesome president.
mo·ral·i·tynoun: morality•principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good
and bad behavior.•a particular system of values and principles
of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.•the extent to which an action is right or wrong."behind all
the arguments lies the issue of the morality of the possession of nuclear
weapons"Who is worse, Trump or the Clintons? Perspective
I might take the DN editorials a bit more seriously if they also called upon
Hillary to resign as well. Any objective side by side comparison of the two of
them reveals that Hillary is a worse person than Trump, and that is saying
Nice call, but I have to ask...where have you been? Trump has exhibited
deplorable qualities for decades. His entire campaign has been one big insult.
He is the creation of every hateful column inch, and talking head on the
radio. And now is the time to speak out against him? By the way, more has
came out about him today, from the Stern show. Even though it's not some
sort of democratic media conspiracy. It's been public for years. Hillary and trump are not equals. Trump is exponentially a more deplorable
person. I hope she puts Obama on the supreme court. We need a sharp liberal to
shape policy for decades to come.
The TRUMP signs are still up in the front yard and I am still whole heartedly in
favor of the man. Yes, the CNN recovered interview from 11 years ago is a
little revolting. Why is anyone particularl;y surprised. Trump has always been
lewd and rude in the past, BUT--this is not about picking a sunday school
teacher, or a boy scout leader. The last president worthy of teaching sunday
school was Carter, and what a disaster that was! Trump said some nasty things
which no one would approve of, and should have known better, but it certainly
does not disqualify him as a good president. He just talked dirty-he did not
commit the horrible acts of many of our previous presidents. He is lousy as a
politician, but will still make a good chief executive of the country. I am a
totally disgusted by the holier than thou attitude of the politicians and media
members and their comments. I am in favor of showing some guts, and focus on
keeping the proven cheat and liar out of the white house. An HRC victory puts
some really bad actors in the white house.
Thank you, Deseret News, for eloquently giving voice to what so many of us feel!
Can you please identify the individual on your editorial board who actually
wrote this piece? Thank you again.
Ralph Oct. 8, 2016 12:35 p.m.: Did you READ the editorial? It
isn't all about the p-word as you suggest, but the sum total of what Trump
has said and done for months. He has disrespected and derided Muslims, Mexicans,
women, media people (granted, many of them deserve it), Mormon missionaries, the
disabled, the obese, veterans with PTSD, war heroes, their families, and former
POWs who sacrificed while he nursed his heel spurs. He's asked why we
can't make preemptive nuclear strikes.The DN says,
"…although it speaks volumes about sexual morality, it goes to the
heart of all ethical behavior... belies a willingness to use and discard other
human beings at will. That is the essence of a despot."The DN is
saying it's about respect for people. Read it again. And
everyone – vote for the Alternative candidate of your choice. Ask yourself
honestly, which of them could be as bad as Trump or Clinton?
Where was the call for Bill Clinton, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Martin Luther
King, Jesse Jackson, and all the others that actually did what Trump claimed he
tried to do (and failed), to resign? Simply because of a bad example in a video
from several years back and now he should quit? The Deseret News had to know
these others were doing the same thing. Has suddenly a new morality taken over
when the perpetrator isn't an established politician? Just so you know, we
have had some real scoundrels in the White House before so it isn't like
everyone that lived there was a sunday school teacher except Donald Trump....
What the actual voters want is what will happen, anyway, and
Utah's votes won't mean anything in the national scale of electoral
votes. Just wait and see.
This Editorial does not contain the name of the Editor of Deseret News who is
Paul Edwards.email@example.com So, the Deseret News
comes out saying it is usually politially neutral but it must come out and make
this statement. WOAH!Reality Check:Hillary Clinton has
betrayed her country in many ways in addition to harrasing her husban
Bill's rape victims, also she defended a rapist in trial and ridiculed the
12 yr old victim. What world do we live in where such evil is given
a pass and those trying to get out and improve the situation of the country are
crucified!? Trump is Not a Perfect Person. He who is without sin
let him cast the first stone. Putting one self out there to run for President
is a brutal course. Especially when one is republican.Buck Up
Deseret News! Turn off CNN and the other Lying Main Stream Media that slants
the truth and bashes Trump at every given chance. I predict Trump
Will Win and You will regret the stance you took against him. He will turn this
ship around and bring jobs back to our country. You are sequestered in the
wasatch front that you do not see the dire situation we are in.
The Deseret news has disgraced itself. Hillary Clinton is a traitor to her
country. An elitist of the worst kind. What her and Bill done in Haiti after the
earthquake is truly in comparison with the Gadianton robbers of Book of Mormon
inf-amity.Talk about grinding the faces of the poor into the ground. What Trump
said in a locker room many years ago is typical of the verbal diarrhea spread
around in men's locker rooms of the time. I as a Temple worker and high
priest who years ago was involved in the worst of the worst trash talk. I have
obviously since repented but even at that time people commented that I was a
good hearted person and did not need to change. Of course after being taught I
knew better. What I am getting at is that people can say and do wrong things in
private but still be caring compassionate people.The people that work for Trump
have a different view of him than what the media projects. He that is without
sin cast the first stone.
The constitution is hanging by a thread. Time for us to #StandUpWithEvan as he
will protect the constitution and the country. He has the knowledge to deal
with the Middle East. Voting for Trump to stop Hillary is a wasted vote. Vote
with a clear conscience by voting for Evan McMullin and his VP Mindy Finn. Utah
can make history with this vote!
I so appreciate the maturity and common sense this editorial (finally)
expresses. Though National news pundits are calling the State of Utah Ground
Zero for the beginnings of a referendum on Trumps unacceptable view of
appropriate behavior, I do not believe that this will be enough to disrupt the
Tea Party mentality of the majority in my home state. So be it. Fortunately we
have the most experienced and hardworking candidate to ever accept a nomination
in the woman who will become our next President. She will appoint a Supreme
Court that will enforce the laws of the land and promote the progressive ideas
that the more grown up of our nation have prayed for and that have been stunted
by an obstructionist Congress and the deep pockets protected by Citizens United.
She is the exact person we need to continue the winning agenda of our beloved
and popular (55% approval rating...) President Obama, who has succeeded in the
face of bigotry, ignorance and the divided politics the late Republican Party
cherished before Mr. Trump destroyed it with a final nail in its self
@LisA "actually admitted to grabbing a woman's genitals because he is
famous. Kissing a woman without asking because he is famous. That is sexual
assault. Forget everything else, this is about a man admitting to sexual assault
and is running for President."Exactly right, and most of our
social problems stem from the mistreatment of women! Maybe Trump's
candidacy can help us understand this.This guy cannot be president.
To all you screechers crying about Hillary's grevious crimes,
Hillary's illegal activities, Hillary's enabling others to commit
illegal acts ad nauseum PLEASE list everything illegal that she has been
convicted of in a court of law. Not the right wing court of opinion but an
actual court of law. You have nothing!
I am a woman, Hispanic and Mormon, I ask Deseret News if you are asking Trump to
step down from his Candidacy then they should ask Clinton to resign. I have not
read that you have done that with her husband while he was in office. They are a
career criminals, people have died around them, she is for open borders, she is
a hypocrite. I am sorry even though he said these bad words, I can not even have
the though of having Hillary as our president, she is for abortion, not religion
freedom or any religion. She is corrupt. I will vote for Trump
Republicans certainly knew what they were getting when they endorsed Trump? Did
these comments by Trump honestly catch anyone off guard?The sad
thing about all this is America is backing two people, who are narcissistic and
apologizing for their behavoir, actions and lack of integrity.
This article made me tear up. What trump has done to this country, with many of
our citizens excusing his behavior has made my stomach turn. He stands for
everything that our church has stood against. Morality, ethics, and human
decency. He has brought out and made acceptable to many, hatred of anyone
different than themselves in particular different by race, ethnicity, religion,
disability, income, physical beauty and gender issues. We do not have to agree
with each other but we have to learn to love each other. To persuade, teach and
to love. How can we justify the hatred he is teaching by words and even worse by
example? It is so much against Gospel Principles and it does not matter if you
are liberal or conservative. Christ's values are not trump's values
and trump's values should not be ours.
Can't we have a national call to write in Mike Pence for President?
Wouldn't decent Republicans and Democrats alike abandon two immoral people
candidates for this better choice? Romney, Governor Herbert, the RNC, please
put out a call for all voters to write in Mike Pence for President!
I don'the think Trump ever intended to win the election. He is enjoying
shocking/offending the nation and secretly aiding Hillary into the White House
in order to damage the nation. There is a lot of smoke there. NWO.
I agree with the editorial, but why now? Were his bankruptcies, not paying
taxes, insulting Muslims, Mexicans, disabled, POW's from Vietnam, and any
and every other group of people who didn't worship at the Trump alter not
enough to have spoken against him earlier? What about his bragging about his
affairs, his three wives the second two being affairs while he was married to
wife one and wife two? The comments on this videotape were reprehensible and
indefensible, but were not some of the previous comments as well? The republicans have always claimed the higher moral ground, but in this
election, they have sold their souls to the devil. The sad thing is this is far
from over. I have said earlier, and I fully expect these tapes and tax returns
and other information regarding Mr. Trump's checkered past will continue to
roll out right up until election day. The democrats and Hillary Clinton are not
clean and perfect, but their problems are not relevant at this point. Mr. Trump
is a mess and the republicans have dug themselves a hole by selecting him as
their candidate. They deserve whatever they get out of this deal.
Trump needs to stay. If he is, as you say, flawed, then Clinton will win the
presidency. It is foolish to think that Pence could take his place. Voters in
the nation would reject the unfairness of a selection outside of the convention.
Pence is Trump's pick. They cannot be separated - except in some pretend
scenario.Other presidents have had mean mouths - and done good for
the nation. Other presidents have had flawed morals - and done good for the
nations. No president have secretly sold influence for personal gain, as
Clinton has. No president has turned their back on Israel, except Obama - and
Clinton was his Secretary of State.Trump is the one with the
conservative platform.This is a Democrat full-court press. It will
be worse. And all the time we spend condemning Trump, Clinton will be
continuing her secret dealings, lies, and manipulations.And the
Deseret News is falling for it. I am a little disgusted.
I fully agree that Trump is unsupportable for the reasons mentioned. Actually,
he was unsupportable before this latest incident because there was no rational
way to determine what he intended to do if he were elected. In that
vein Hillary is unsupportable also. Her corruption is boundless and infects all
around her. Hillary has no respect for life itself. Her unthinking enthusiasm
for deploying American military might at every little problem on the globe has
maimed, killed, and displaced hundreds of thousand of people -- and created a
refugee crisis of massive proportions. The images of toddlers washing up on
beaches goes back to Hillary's belief that she has the right to depose
foreign leaders and invade sovereign nations. When I say that
HIllary's corruption infects all around her I include the public's
attitudes about senseless wars. How many people are outraged by Trump's
debauchery but regard Hillary's death machine as normal and acceptable..?
@ frozen fractals: I agree that there is a difference between being wrong and
lying. For example, Bush was wrong about Iraq’s weapons of mass
destruction, and was not a liar as his opponents claimed him to be. (For that
matter, Hillary also believed that Iraq had such weapons, and said so quite
strongly, based on her own examination of the evidence.) But in this
case—the Benghazi case—I totally believe that Hillary knew the truth
and lied about it. @ LisA: I won’t disagree about seriousness
of sexual assault admitted by Trump. And as I commented above, I agree with this
DN editorial asking him to end his campaign. But what about Hillary? No, I am
not accusing her of sexual assault. But there are incredibly credible accounts
of such committed by Bill (and while they may not be proven, Bill’s
credibility was ruined by the Monica case), and Hillary worked hard to defend
Bill, and to threaten and bully Bill’s victims. So I’d call her an
accessory to assault.
While it's commendable that you call out Trump on his personal failings and
immoral personality, you're too late, Deseret News. You should have done
this during the primary - it's too late now to replace Trump on the
Republican ticket. I hope that the DN will also;denounce Hillary Clinton with
the same amount of fervor, due to the evidence showing her political corruption
during her lifetime in politics, especially when she was Sec. of State. Because
of her email scandal, we know that her time in office was driven by corruption,
greed, and a desire to enrich herself, her friends,and the Clinton Foundation
during her stint as Sec., no matter what harm it might have brought to the
country and its citizens. We have the victims in Benghazi who brutally killed
during this time. Emails show she put friends in positions of power, in exchange
for their donations to the Clinton Foundation, and provided favors to foreigners
who also were donors to the Foundation. That intimate relationship with her
family's Foundation and her office of Sec. of State, should have been
enough to remove her from that office. More evidence of her corruption just
keeps coming to light.
Bravo.Never Ever Trump!!!
Trump is the cumulative affect of two decades of AM radio's hate and the
fake news network's sole existence to try to script the message. Not of
truth or reality but to lie, cheat and take away the truth. The right wing
deserves Trump.If they cared about truth then perhaps a much more capable
candidate would be leading the polls. But they don't care about truth and
their followers just want the message to give them confirmation bias.
Trump is a jerk, but his opponent is worse, totally untruthful and willing to do
anything for personal profit, even sacrificing our national security. If moral behavior and speech are the primary qualification for the Presidency,
then how can we ignore Hillary's being in charge of squashing "bimbo
eruptions" and covering for her husband's admitted sexual misconduct
with Monica Lewinski and Jennifer Flowers, and the alleged assaults on Kathleen
Willey and Juanita Broderick? All of these went far beyond "locker room
language".This is not an election for Pope, a LDS high office,
or Sunday School Teacher, but someone to run our country. Vote for
the Jerk! It's important that the crook be stopped!
Trump is the last chance to restore the Constitutional Republic without force,
if reptillary is elected she WILL turn the country into a 3rd world garbage
dump, with a radical leftist dictatorship, Trump is not without warts, but
comparatively petty issues cannot be used to derail Trump's efforts,There is no one of value on the republlicrud side to step in, the
pathetic gang of liars, thieves, cowards, empty suits, neo-cons, and RINOs has
been vanquished during the primaries,Please re-consider your
I agree that he should resign his candidacy. But Hillary, who has done far worse
things than Trump, should first. And you should say so. In regards to attitude
towards women, Bill hasn't gotten caught saying something like Trump did,
but come on! You think he hasn't? Really? Bill has been accused of rape.
Hillary has never expressed outrage over his womanizing ways much less dump him
like most of us would. The unfortunate women in their history were further
victimized by Hillary when Bill was done with them. What Trump said is
sickening, but doesn't compare with the vile things Hill and Bill have
Fortunately there is a decent, honest to a fault, and far more qualified
candidate to vote for. You are NOT stuck with Trump or Hillary. Gary
Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states. That means he can win outright
if all the people who think they are *stuck* with the most reprehensible
candidates in our lifetimes will *un-stick* themselves, stop worrying about what
other people are going to do, and vote for Johnson.
Does the Deseret news believe that what Hillary has done moral?
Thank you Deseret News for taking a stand. Mr. Trump, quit now and
do what's right for America. I will vote for ANY other Republican except
Then let's get rid of Hillary too. She shouldn't be allowed to run for
president. Her record shows she does not support women's rights; she only
cares about her own political career, money, and power. Instead of supporting
women's rights during Bill's presidency and when she was governor she
attacked the women who spoke up and tried to silence them through intimidation
and by attacking their reputations.I think it's incredible that
people are crying for Trump to withdraw over this incident from 11 years ago yet
everyone is not also calling for Hillary to withdraw after the whitewashing of
her email crimes by the FBI, not to mention a number of other issues with her
conduct over the years. To read more on this look up "FBI Agents Are Ready
To Revolt Over Cozy Clinton Probe" in the New York Post.
Did the Deseret News call for FDR to remove his name from the ballot? How about
JFK? LBJ? How about Bill Clinton? Has this newspaper done all that can to
present all of the facts that Americans need before they vote? Has it shown
Hilliary's statements to Congress and Mr. Comey's findings about those
statements? Has it published the statements of all the women who told us that
Hillary tried to shut them up when they reported being sexually abused by Bill?
Why such a double standard? Why would the Deseret News call for Trump to step
down without also calling for Clinton to step down?
Thank you for this article and for standing up for morals where so many
don't. I would love to see a front page story on Gary Johnson. He has
unfortunately received too little attention in the media and he deserves more
awareness because in my opinion, he is the only candidate worth voting for. If
more people realized he was an option he would rise in the polls so fast! Thank
you in advance for giving him fair and equal coverage.
Thank you Deseret News! Agreed!
Our country is in terrible trouble. If Hillary wins we will have a liberal
supreme court for the rest of our lives. I feel like I most vote Republican to
support righteousness. Hillary and her support of her husband and his lewdness
and corruption, her own corruptions is just as bad if not worse than Trump! Is
there a way when the ratings for both candidates are so low, that we could
recall the election?
No, Trump needs to be President, so all you suckers understand how bad the
political elite are jerking you around. Your collars are stuck tight, wake up!
The Clinton's are a family that feel entitled to the high political offices
of this nation. Remind them they are not, and that they have no business being
in politics.Hillary had been caught committing fraud twice, She is
utterly vindictive, and harassed a former lover of her terrible husband. Plus
her health really does need to be a concern for everybody. It is high time
Americans stopped voting for geriatrics.Trump isn't going to be
able to do anything as a president, even the republican congress wouldn't
let him do anything. Hillary is a snake.
It is unbelievable how much the GOP has messed things up this election cycle.
Both the leaders of the "establishment" and the anti establishment
people in the party are to blame for Trump's nomination. The establishment
candidates for years, even decades, have been distancing themselves from the
base. This had lead to frustration, and understandably so. Trump comes in and
presents himself as the opposite of the establishment. The frustrated people in
the party jump on his bandwagon. Meanwhile, there was an absurd amount of GOP
candidates, splitting the anti Trump vote in the primaries and giving Trump the
nomination despite most Republicans not wanting him. So, long story
short, in a year where the democrat candidate would easily be beat by any even
remotely okay GOP candidate, Trump gets the nomination.I won't
vote for Hillary, but I can't vote for Trump. He is a vile, horrible human
being. So McMullin will get my vote. He may have literally 0% chance of winning.
But at least I can vote for him and not feel dirty afterward.
Meanwhile the FBI is missing two boxes of emails of Hillary Clinton, and
possible evidence tampering. Call for both or neither to step down.
Trump's supporters, that his "hard core" are not going to ask him
to resign his candidacy. The Deseret News needs to understand why. They are
going to stick with Trump because so many of them are desperate. The
"recovery" has not included them. So they are very very angry. And
with good reason. I know a number of them personally.You turned
hard against Trump due to his gross sexual immorality. That's certainly
enough reason. But you're mostly oblivious to the processes which have
produced the political present. Trump's supporters have turned against the
GOP establishment (including you) as much as they have turned against Hillary
Clinton. I wish Sanders was the Democratic candidate, but you were
really cold to him, so while I agree with you on this point, I am not a happy
But he apologized didn't he? I thought the church preached forgiveness.
I wish we had a few hot mikes on Hillary when it comes to obeying the laws of
the country she wishes to lead. I think they both should resign. Neither display
So the old unbiased press can find a 20 year old video of Mr. Trump when he was
a democrat but they can't report on any of the hillary escapades that
should have her in prison. The Donald might have talked about it but Bill did
it and hillary helped him with the cover-up.
Editors stirring the pot again. Did the Deseret News call for Bill Clinton to
I get so angry when the first thing many people say is "yes, but Hillary is
worse" This is not about her, it is about a man who did not just say lewd
words, but actually admitted to grabbing a woman's genitals because he is
famous. Kissing a woman without asking because he is famous. That is sexual
assault. Forget everything else, this is about a man admitting to sexual assault
and is running for President.
Okay, well and good, and better late than never.But DN will need to
acknowledge their passive role in not pushing back harder when Trump was
starting to rise on a nationalistic bubble of bigotry and misogyny. Yes, DN is
correct today...Trump's casual objectification of fellow human beings is a
sign of a despot. But plenty of folks made that observation within the first
month of his joining the GOP primary, and have kept hammering on that since.His rise was made possible by a critical pass of supporters who found
strength and solace in the sort of inflammatory and deplorable rhetoric that was
captured on the hot-mic. And that critical mass was only possible when news
organizations and editorial columns watched from the side-lines.Had
we hit a significant recession or act of terrorism before Trump's bubble
burst yesterday, it is possible that this fetid bubble would be enough to elect
a despot president. We can't afford to allow it to get that far ever
again. DN shares that blame with plenty of other media outlets, but this one
editorial is not enough.
If you call Trump to resign based on his unethical behavior, and intolerable
character, would you not implore Hillary to do likewise based on the same logic?
Does her malfeasance deserve equal attention and equal repercussions?
I think there will be a lot more newspapers joining the Deseret News in asking
Donald Trump to step aside. My guess is that people will quit hosting his events
next. People everywhere should turn away from Trump. That's all there is
left to do at this point.
Thanks for this editorial. I hope it makes Utahns realize they have more
options than the Republican party.
I agree with this article but agree with the warning that this paper and our
nation need to be morally consistent in rejecting Hillary as well our else this
editorial will amount to empty words. Unlike Trump, she didn't always
speak her mind and gets away with not being accountable in her crimes and in her
ideas that are ultimately anti family. Unlike Trump, she's a far more
skilled politician and has fooled many people on both sides whose moral compass
drastically separates them from her. Expect tyranny if you do not speak against
bad character and policies in full. I only see one candidate with moral
policies and character we as Americans actually want, and would be justified in
supporting: Evan McMullin.
Exceptional editorial analysis on the part of the Deseret News staff. Thank you
for speaking up and speaking out about Donald Trump's candidacy.Hillary Clinton, too, has her flaws. But, as the Deseret News so rightly
points out in coming out against Trump, "...her likely victory against a
self-wounded candidate is not a mandate for her specific platform, but rather a
repudiation of Trump's flaws."I'd like to offer my
most sincere apology to Governor Romney for the things I wrote about him after
he spoke out against Trump. Until that speech of Governor Romney's at the
University of Utah's Hinckley Institute, I was proud to have supported his
campaign for President. Although retired, Governor Romney is a good man. Even
in retirement, Mitt Romney is still a leader we can trust.I
cannot---and will not---vote for Donald Trump.Mitt Romney is of the
highest character and integrity. Donald Trump is at the opposite extreme.Andrew "Andy" McKane IV, Springville, Utah.
Trying to deflect with all the same old tired conservative consoeteccy theories
about Clinton are not going to change the facts. You all broke the GOP and now
you own it. Kudos to the DN for its show of ntegrity today.
As much as I agree with the writer of this article, I am saddened by the thought
of Ms. Clinton in the White House for 8 long years. While Trump has shown his
ugly colors, Ms. Clinton is a liar and a cheat to the American people. Why the
democrats cannot see through this woman is beyond me. I cry to think that Bill
Clinton will again be in the White House with her. This will be a sad, sad
period for the country these next 8 years.
I agree with almost every single word of this op-ed, except for this part:
"Clinton promotes social and economic policies we cannot support." I am
voting for Hillary, not just because I loathe Trump, but because I am
unabashedly pro-Hillary. I used to be a Republican office-holder, and I proudly
registered as a democrat this time around. I support her tax policy, her views
on equal pay for women, a more balanced economic growth model, better paid
family leave, increasing in the minimum wage (which would benefit those at the
bottom), creating a public option for health care, and tolerance for
America's wonderful diversity.
It is not too late for Donald Trump to step down or be removed. Both can happen
up to the election day. The early ballot votes will be awarded to his
replacement if that happens.In the article, Hillary Clinton was also
denounced, though in a softer tone. Not sure who Desert News is endorsing, but
they are against both main parties. That was made clear.Evan
McMullin brings leadership qualities to this election no other candidate has.
His policies are conservative and he believes in serving the nation, not the
other way around. Liberty, unification with diversity, and the Constitution are
at the heart of his campaign. Voting Hillary or Trump is bad for this nation.
McMullin/Finn is the only team qualified to be President and Vice-President of
the USA.#StandUpWithEvan #LetsTalkPrinciples #ProtectLiberty
Thank you Deseret News! For doing the right thing and sticking up for the
principles we know are important. I support you in this 100%.
Who is the author of this editorial--we deserve to know, yet it appears to be
anonymous . . .
Looks as if the DNews has finally decided to close the barn door long after the
self proclaimed studly mare has fled the stable. Outside of Mitt Romney few
Republicans put human decency and mutual respect before their partisan
I agree with your calling Trump to resign his candidacy, but "Although she
comes with extraordinary experience, Clinton promotes social and economic
policies we cannot support ..."So since we've taken the kid
gloves off now, what economic policies of Clinton do you oppose specifically?
Trump needs to carry his candidacy to full term.
You forget the alternative is a woman who has committed more grevious crimes and
you ar not asking her to step down? I suggest we as a nation PRAY and FAST. His
crimes won't destroy the constitution her policy will. And no I don't
know what I am going to do as a voter but shocked at this from one of the few
news sources I still try to trust.
@RGThere's a difference between being wrong and lying. Hillary was
wrong in presuming the video that was cited as a motivator of other protests
that day was also a motivator for the terrorist attack. "I voted
for Mitt last time"When Romney's governorship was ending,
the computers and servers were wiped clear of e-mails leaving no record behind.
@MarkMANI don't think it's particularly surprising
that a woman who was cheated on by her husband would have negative feelings
about the women he'd been with. Not sure how that's remotely on the
It's too bad that the Deseret News took this big moment to take a swipe at
Hillary Clinton. Powerful men, like Donald Trump and the Deseret News editorial,
board apparently have no problem dismissing women with a few sentences. The
paper cannot assert the purity of not making endorsements when it takes one
sentence to let its readers know that the News considers Hilary Clinton
unsuitable. Her historic candidacy, even if rejected, deserves more than that
back-handed slap. But to the news, and the Donald Trumps of the world, she is
apparently a woman, deserving of nothing more than to be summarily dismissed.
I'll write in Romney or Cruz or vote for Johnson but not Trump. Or
Hillary. Neither Hillary or Trump have the moral compass necessary to so much
as lead a group of Girl Scouts out of a wet paper sack.America, oh,
how I mourn for you.
While at times I may have questioned the social stances and political opinions
of this paper, at no time have I ever questioned the underlying human decency or
sincerity of its staff. This editorial may be a little overdue, in my opinion,
but I thank you for confirming my faith in you. Trump must be defeated. Clinton
is not a danger to the Republic. Vote for her.
Sad this is necessary, but I agree 100%. Thanks.
Here, here! I agree completely. As much as I believe Hillary Clinton to be a
liar and a career politician, part of a dynasty that includes her
less-than-perfect husband, I'd rather my vote went to Pence, or Romney, or
Huntsman (although I believe him to be a closet Democrat) than to Trump.
Somewhere in this debacle the GOP has to find its moral compass and put forth
candidates who while they might lose to the growing immoral left, don't
wallow in the muck along with them. Resign your candidacy, Mr.
Right and a serial liar shouldn't? Really? No one died and destroying
federal documents didn't take place with trump.
I will write in the name of Mike Pence for President. I am a strong Republican,
but cannot vote for Trump.
Very well stated. I agree with every word.
The problem is that Republicans are now stuck with Trump. Early voting has
already started in several states, ballots are already printed, and thousands of
votes have been cast. Plus, the party's rules and regulations do not appear
to permit exchanging one candidate for another. Even if Trump quits, there is
little certainty that he could be replaced by the party.
Amen to this article!
Hey, BYUalum, where are you? Your boy trump made some pretty terrible remarks.
You built this repubs! Remember, back in 2012, Rince Piebrus issued an autopsy
which called for repubs to become more moderate on social issue and respectful
towards women and minorities. Those recommendations obviously fell onto deaf
ears. You made this bed repubs. Enjoy the next 8 years
Would you consider writing the same against Hillary. Her record is much more
colored and well documented. Her disdain of womenhood with her well documented
conversations about women who would seek to stop power in her family, her
disdain for American principles. You can not expect her to do what you ask, I
could continue. We are faced with a horrible decision. To not vote for Trump
is a vote for Hillary and a vote for Trump is a smack in the face. Who is
better here one who is lewd or one who is corrupt? We Americans have earned
this one by who we chose to lead us. Do you have the courage to complete the
picture? Or will you only write the half? Sorry to write with such
boldness but you wrote the editorial and invite comments.Mark
I agree. But please also ask Hillary to step down, if you haven't already.
The stuff she did is felonious. She lied to the nation about a video, and then
lied right to the faces of the parents of those killed in Benghazi, knowing full
well (and it has been proven that she knew full well) that her video story was a
lie. She called her email fiasco a "mistake." How about one mistake per
email? That makes thousands of mistakes, and all premeditated. She knew exactly
what she was doing and why. Now we find out that she told New York Wall St.
people that she has two different opinions on matters: her real opinion, and her
public opinion. I voted for Mitt last time, and I hope all those who didn't
will realize he would have been much better. Then this time, I voted in the GOP
primary for Cruz. But any of the GOP candidates would have been better than
Kudos to the D-News. Now, hopefully, the voters of Utah will think likewise.
By not voting for Trump, Utah - the most Republican of all states - can send a
message to the world that civility and decency is the bedrock for the future of
America. Not voting for Trump is a moral imperative.
Des News: "What oozes from this audio is evil."Really? you
ignore his complete and utter incompetence, his bigotry, his crude, rude, and
otherwise unacceptable behaviour exposed nightly for the last several years,
then all of a sudden he uses the P-word for a part of the female anatomy, and
now you call him evil?Puh-lease! You sell out your
country by supporting this weak and whiney demagogue, but then your puritanical
senses get all in a bunch when he uses a bad word.