@Misty Mountain:Your design seems to be that they should have people
in to try and change the Lord's mind on matters of eternal significance,
such as the nature of human families. When the psychological, physical, and
spiritual well-being of adults and children are both at stake, such a proposal
would be like the American president borrowing Japan, Germany, and Italy's
war room advisors during World War II.There can be no debate about
the rights of children or the minds and intents of those who don't want to
watch their society continue to degenerate under the worship of one's own
"sexual orientation" when one entire side closes its eyes, covers its
ears, and screams "equality and rights!", until all is unequal and the
rights of all who patiently, lovingly disagree are destroyed.As for
the videos themselves? I'm fascinated to gain just a little more of the
perspective and understanding that these people have. When I was young, I
always dismissed general authorities as "old out-of-touch white men."
Now I realize they're some of the few left who are in touch at all.
@bricha wrote, "I don't understand why we would look down on them for
legitimately trying to understand what is happening in the lives of their
members."You don't get to understand much of anything when
the advisors you bring in are already heavily biased in the opinions you already
favor. When gay marriage was brought up, there was no attempt to
"understand" anything--it was a brief presentation on how to change
public opinion (by using "mothering" and fathering" and making a big
deal about how these are "different" rather than using the word
To all those commenting on Sen. Smith Hindsight really is 20/20 I
highly suggest any and all to go back and read/watch any news from that time.
Our country was in a complete panic/uproar. Now that we have had over 15 years
to understand and analyze what was really going on we can see that Iraq was a
mistake, but man while everything was going down we were willing to give away
anything in the name of safety. Also to any who are saying that the
church should have released these videos themselves. I want you to put yourself
in their shoes a little bit. How would you feel if every business meeting was
recorded for all to criticize or critic? Every interaction with your kid,
family, or friends. I don't understand why we would look down on them for
legitimately trying to understand what is happening in the lives of their
Appreciate this article, and reading the comments to get a feel of how others
are receiving this news. I have no problem with the format and instruction the
GA's are getting, does seem good and needful that they seek out info and
thoughts of those with expertise in various subjects. The LGBTQ agenda is
nefarious and militant in demanding tolerance they are themselves unwilling to
give; they are a "sticky wicket" or like quicksand that draw in and then
won't let go of people with compassionate feelings for the youth that are
struggling with these issues. The Deseret News would do well to keep presenting
religious freedom issues and pointing out that self-destructive behaviors should
be sympathized with but never empowered or embraced.
@ John Marx - Layton, UT - Oct. 3, 2016 1:42 p.m. - "From the article:
"Smith said he voted for the Iraq War, in part, to spread the gospel"
That is deeply troubling. Putting the lives of Iraqis and U.S. Soliders on the
line to "spread the gospel" is not acceptable."You are
taking things out of context. Smith would not start a war just so he could send
in missionaries. His comment was more like "take lemons and make lemonade
out of them", ie, "this will be messy and painful but I believe that
good can come from it". I don't think you would like me
putting words in your mouth so please don't do that to Mr. Smith as well.
@ 65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID - Oct. 3, 2016 12:12 a.m. - "The only thing
in the tapes that I wish they hadn't discussed was Prop-8. That was a
disaster. Nothing good came from that political adventure."Totally untrue.First, it was not a "political venture", it
was 100% moral in nature.Second, it let the world know that the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is 100% pro-family and 100% against
homosexual activity/actions being seen as morally acceptable. (Key words being
"activity/actions").Third, it became a sounding board or
test, if you will, of what millions of individuals, both LDS and non-LDS
believed concerning the morality of these two issues; family and the acceptance
(or lack thereof) of homosexual actions/behavior.I've read your
comments before and know you are pro-LDS. If you really think the Lord did not
guide the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve on Proposition 8, you
are seriously mistaken.
@a bit of reality - Shawnee Mission, KSOct. 3, 2016 4:36 p.m."When Mitt Romney was running for president, some people were concerned
that the vows he made to his Church posed a conflict of interest with being
President. The conversations Gordon Smith and Mike Leavitt had with the apostles
validated these concerns."There is no such validation. Smith
gave a briefing on what he felt the political landscape was. Do you recall the
Brethren then telling him how to vote? How to act? Did they demean another
party? There is no basis whatsoever for you accusation.
I remember hearing about President Hinckley reading from a variety of
periodicals while riding in aircraft going around the world to keep informed.
Church general authorities are not normally government leaders. However, these
men and women in their offices and callings come from many backgrounds and
expertise with many experiences to give knowledge and balance throughout the
world. They gain light and knowledge, temporally and spiritually.Thanks to our Heavenly Father's plan for His family.
People say the church isn't transparent but I would propose that two of the
reasons might be: 1) things can often be taken out of context no matter how
transparent you attempt to be, 2) it isn't relevant to the mission of the
church. These men leading the church want to stay on top of current events so
they know how it might affect their members but their primary responsibility is
to be special witnesses of Jesus Christ. It would be a waste of time and effort
to release every little thing they say or do while dealing with administrative
functions of the church rather than focusing on their spiritual ministry.
@Nel"If these meetings and their content were hacked, why is
this paper summarizing them for all to see? Shouldn't this be private
information???"They weren't hacked per se but someone that
had access to this videos leaked them. The paper is summarizing them because
detractors of the Church Anonymously published them to Youtube.
WOW, how we can take one moment in time out of context. I am especially
appalled at the attacks on Senator Smith. Let me tell you about him. I knew him
a long time ago young person of age 15 and a catholic. We went to HS together
and for what ever reason he took particular interest in me. I was a very angry
and confused young person. When my daughter worked for Congressman Matheson,
Senator Smith showed her the utmost respect and courtesy, even though she was
part of the opposing Party. He and his family are instrumental in where I and my
family are today. As a side note, Gordon way phenomenal athlete, but he choose
academics over athletics and our Country over personal endeavors. His
integrity is unquestionable and when I read this story to my wife she said,
" he was inspired." For me that was "enough said."
Kudos to the good staff at DN for the timely and informative summaries of these
meetings.I have a full calendar of work and church meetings this
If these meetings and their content were hacked, why is this paper summarizing
them for all to see? Shouldn't this be private information???
Of course they receive "briefings" from qualified individuals. I'm
just impressed that 12+ men can keep it all together. That would be a very
challenging job, as reflected in Pres. Packer's response to Elder
Perry's light joke on the economy. Tough crowd. I wonder how it was when
President Hinkley was there.
When Mitt Romney was running for president, some people were concerned that the
vows he made to his Church posed a conflict of interest with being President.
The conversations Gordon Smith and Mike Leavitt had with the apostles validated
What saddens me is to watch these videos and see just how outdated their
thoughts are, even when remembering these videos are years old. As a case
in point is the video about medical marijuana, where the needs of patients are
ignored to assure that recreational use never occurs here. Their level of
understanding seems to have become bogged down in 1973, not 2012. I'd hate to have to remind them of the Doctrine of Inclusion spoken by M.
Shondolo, I am not a Democrat, but I am far from Republican as well. I could
write diatribes by the volumes on my political perspectives and how they both
converge with and diverge from standard LDS leadership political positions.I too am offended (by choice) at those who belittle and name call others
based on their political leanings.However, the important thing to
note there; was that it was a politician who called democrats 'assorted
miscreants' (Gordon Smith is a former United States Senator from Oregon who
served from 1997 to 2009); and not the brethren. That is par for the course
when it comes to politicians--partisan politics is the norm.One
reason I am neither Republican nor Democrat is because of the very fact that
politicians don't practice what they preach (politically, not religiously).
They always revile against the other party about things that even they
themselves do. Hypocrisy is the name of the game when it comes to politicians.
"In October 2002, Senator Smith voted to authorize military force against
Iraq. Smith said he voted for the Iraq War, in part, to spread the gospel.
"I felt the Lord's hand in it."As an active Mormon,
I'm disgusted by that statement made by a member of my church (Senator
Gordon). I don't believe the Iraq War--which has claimed countless innocent
lives--was anything but a blatant violation of the spirit and letter of the
moral / Constitutional law. The fact that we are so easily persuaded to embrace
death and destruction via propaganda by the money powers (IE. Gadianton) is
discouraging. I hope that the Church leaders are getting advice from other
political parties that aren't adherents to the Military Industrial
Complex.Just because we send missionaries in doesn't mean that
God supports the bloodshed of hundreds of thousands. This bloody catastrophe was
brought about by "spiritual wickedness" in high places.
I don't intend to watch the videos, even the descriptions were too long,
but, it interests me to compare/contrast words spoken in conference with such
internal meetings. I can tell the brethren are trying their best to understand
the many problems that face the Saints in these latter-days; which is very
laudable.I do see a sad case of re-hashing the status quo. It is a
matter of birds of a feather; the brethren flock together and often miss some
important insight. On the other hand, they are guided by the Holy
Ghost; as was very apparent in all of Conference talks this weekend. I was yet
again amazed at how well they spoke to me specifically; but that would be off
topic.On topic to these videos; I take interest in two regarding
neurosciences and drugs. Word of Wisdom is God's law; but let's look
at man's law; some drugs are legal; others are illegal. Science has shown
addiction is a major problem of both. Why not decriminalize and rather than
imprison and impoverish use current resources to treat the addiction? That is
much more Christ-like. Let's change the status quo; and end the pointless
Awesome. The only question I have is where can I sign up for these courses?
From the article:"Smith said he voted for the Iraq War, in part,
to spread the gospel"That is deeply troubling. Putting the
lives of Iraqis and U.S. Soliders on the line to "spread the gospel" is
How many other people and their experiences signify nothing?
Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
So grateful they are informed and stay informed. The only problem I see is
whoever leaked the videos. Not sure what the purpose was but if anything it
shows the brethren stay up to date on current affairs.
Grasping at straws or not...I just don't understand the need for a church
to have so much secrecy in it's dealings.
Best quote in all the article: " LGBT advocated have successfully
characterized the marriage debate as one of hate and intolerance." My
testimony just increased that these "old men" really do know what's
I have a cousin who used to work in the Pentagon. One of his many
responsibilities back then was to prepare and present military briefings for
General Powell and General Schwarzkopf, among other military leaders. These
videos of briefings on topics of significant interest/concern represent standard
operating procedure for any major enterprise, whether it be business,
government, military, or religion. The purpose of the briefings is to ensure
that the top-level leaders are well informed on a host of key issues. That
someone managed to find and leak these videos says more about the perpetrator
than briefings themselves. Although the leak of the videos represents an
egregious invasion of privacy, the videos do nothing to impugn the integrity of
the Church leaders.
I have watched many of these videos and all I can say is there is really nothing
here. Having read comments by detractors on Youtube all I can say
that it is amazing how deluded by hate some can get. There was so much grasping
at straws.It just seems like someone needed to put something out to
keep the detractors fire going.
Back in 2006 Elder Jeffrey R. Holland hit right at the core of this:"...over the years some sources have suggested that the Brethren are out
of touch in their declarations, that they don’t know the issues, that some
of their policies and practices are out-of-date, not relevant to our times.As the least of those who have been sustained by you to witness the
guidance of this Church firsthand, I say with all the fervor of my soul that
never in my personal or professional life have I ever associated with any group
who are so in touch, who know so profoundly the issues facing us, who look so
deeply into the old, stay so open to the new, and weigh so carefully,
thoughtfully, and prayerfully everything in between."
As a gentile I read much of the "leak" transcripts and wonder why
someone would do this and why anyone outside of the Mormon Church would care. I
think the real story is someone exposed what was meant to be a private
conversation and not what their church leaders were discussing.
And the big issue is what??? This is no different than the Pope being briefed
on affairs that affect his church, or a pastor being briefed about issues that
affect his local area of responsibility. In all honesty there wouldn't
have been any attention given if it hadn't been for the fact that there
were former politicians involved, which is unfortunate. My personal
belief is that once an individual has served in public office they should
distance themselves from such events to avoid the appearance of impropriety even
though none exists.
My calculation could be off a year or two but I believe that the current members
of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve have, collectively, about
1,126 years of life experience and about 254 years of Apostolic experience. Add
on to that the years of experience serving as husbands, fathers, grandfathers,
home teachers, young men adult leaders, quorum leaders, bishops, stake
presidents, mission presidents, etc. Only those who have served in some of
these capacities know the time and effort that is spent ministering to the one.
In addition, think of their experience in the world of education and their
careers before they were called to full-time church service. These men and their
families are not immune to the challenges of mortality. I seriously doubt that
there is an affliction known to mankind that, collectively, they have not,
either personally or vicariously through their ministering experienced many,
many times. They certainly know what is going on in the world. There is not
another group of individuals on the face of the planet that I would rather
listen to, take counsel from, and try to follow. Thank you for your service and
It is comforting to me that Church leaders are informed and interested in
national and international affairs that would affect eventually all members of
the Church. The only problem here is that these are not private
conversations, which they deserve to be. Why were these captured on tape is the
only question I have?
The only thing in the tapes that I wish they hadn't discussed was Prop-8.
That was a disaster. Nothing good came from that political adventure.