"I’m running for president to make sure our country continues to live
up to our founding principles."If this were true, I would have
voted for her with great joy. Unfortunately, I think it is just another
misrepresentation by a professional politician. Clinton and Trump are opposite
sides of the same bad penny, one that seen on the ground I would not pick up.
We deserve the next four years for our choices made during the
primary season. Too bad the price is so high.
For a while it looked like the state of Utah might make a bold statement and
give its electoral votes to someone other than Trump - rejecting his treatment
of women and minorities, his lightweight intellectual curiosity, and his
self-centered approach to "leadership". But if recent polls and the
comments in this article are any indication, Utah will miss this opportunity to
send a lasting message and be on the right side of history.
I love how she promotes herself to be the peaceful kind one wanting an end to
the divisiveness - then she takes her opportunity to fear-monger Mormons into
thinking that Trump is same as Gv Boggs and that he'd limit movement on
Mormonism.Unfortunately she'll likely be our next president -
it's going to be a rough ride for 4 years!
Clinton knows nothing of Utah or it culture. Zero.
If one has no values how can she have values in common with someone? Unless they
are like her and have none
@Wathcyagonnado "Electing Hillary will end religious freedom as we know
it."If you mean as commonly defined here, I sure hope so.
@ Pragmatic - Salt Lake City, UTAug. 10, 2016 12:00 p.m.I am so
greatful, . . . . When the constitution is being compromised by far right
groups, . . . . .You have to be kidding. I would say it is the far
left (ie: Democrats) who are compromising the constitution, not the far right.
How do we know that Hillery is telling the truth about what she believes in as
per the statements in her article. She tells untruths so often that I as one
have a hard time believing anything she says. True, probably most of
what she quotes as statements Tramp has made are factual so long as they are not
taken out of context. Many politicians do often take statements others make out
of context. But I am more concerned about the truth of what she says
she believes, so I take them with a grain of salt.
Hillary has been all over the news with one scandal after another.Like the Veritas project, the head of the DNC Donna Brazille feeding questions
to Hillary before a debate which is against the rule and has since been forced
to resign from CNN. Voter fraud look it up its a fact. The Clinton faundation
and pay to play wich is currently under investigation by the FBI. Mr Bill C mtg
with the attorney general in a airplane hanger on a private jet just before the
announcement from director Comey, hmmmm.O! Lets not forget the
e-mail scandal that we all know about, is there really anyone out there that
will vote for someone like this? Just because she claims to be an advocate for
women.Im sorry but i have paid attention to who she really is, and
there is a reason Anderson Cooper asked her if she will say anything just to get
elected.Its pretty clear based on fact that morals and ethics play
no part in who she is and it is not an assumption to say she is further away
from representing the values of Utah than the other candidate.
She quotes Mormon and Republican leaders ad writes of her commonalities with
Utah but is not going to rule as she campaigns just as obama did. IMORight out of her mentor Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals-search online
those words.Rule 2, "Never go outside the experience of your
people (or the ones you are fooling?)A mockery of our culture since she is
not for what she says. Not getting into the sleaze throwing, look at Pence who
will replace trump if he turns out a disaster vs Kaine who will replace a
very sick Hillary.
No way I could ever support Hillary. She has been extremely careless with
national security, and not only has been extremely careless, she indeed lied
about passing classified and sensitive data through an insecure, private server,
and it now is known that a hacker did get access to that information. We know
it because the guy who did it has just been arrested and charged with the
crime!Worse, Hillary claimed that she couldn't recall half of
the mandatory training sessions on the handling of sensitive data and blamed
that forgetfulness on her concussion (any concussion that would cause that level
of forgetfulness also would cause permanent brain damage; another thing she
claims her doctor claims she doesn't have).And, we now know she
lied about that, too! She never attended any of the sessions! Not one record
or certification of her having attended any training session on classified and
sensitive information exists! So, she skirted the rules, endangered military and
intelligence assets on the ground, and has been lying about it the whole
time!No, Ms. Representative from California! Anyone but Hillary!
The country is safer without her.
We stayed in Utah for 5 months due to a work commitment. The atmosphere there
was so positive and forward thinking. Compared to Democratic California, it was
a breath of fresh air. With that being said, I know that many of you are
supporting other candidates other than Trump. Do you not find it odd that
Hillary and Obama are quick to defend the Moslem community. The play Book of
Mormon which made a mockery of our faith was not condemned nor even mentioned by
this administration. This administration put an innocent person in jail for a
Moslem video which was supposed to initiate the Benghazi attack. Any vote
against Trump will support Hillary. She will shut down power and the coal
industry and all the businesses that support it plus increase the percentage
that small business pay. The Democrats have made this state into a third world
country. She will appoint liberal judges that will turn over the 2nd amendment.
Our leaders in Sacramento do not think it is important to build more dams but
are spending money on the most foolish ideas.
Either we start getting behind Trump or we will end up with Hillary Clinton as
the president. If she wins, it is not just four to eight years of Hillary, but a
Supreme Court that will have an effect for generations. Our children and
grandchildren will not have the America we have. Electing Hillary will end
religious freedom as we know it.
I, as a former Ted Cruz supporter, I enthusiastically support and will vote for
Donald Trump! Pollsters, please call me! What a joke this editorial
was! Who was her Mormon "ghost writer?" Come on, "Sister Wixom",
etc. HRC doesn't know one thing about Mormons except that they can vote,
and she will say and do anything to get a vote. This was a sham!You
people who complain that you won't know what to tell your grandchildren if
you vote for Trump, guess what? You're going to have to do some tall
explaining when your Non-vote, vote for any 3rd party candidate, or stay home
elects the most corrupt person in American politics, ban none. Trump is a
thousand times better. I will hold all of you RINO's responsible for the
downfall of this great country!This DN had two sections today both
trashing Donald Trump. Since when do we need the headlines of a Washington Post
reporter in Utah? I am totally sick of it. Donald Trump may be bold and brash,
but he is a proven leader and will be great as POTUS. Trump-Pence
Well, since we know that Hillary says whatever is expedient for the moment, and
then changes her mind, and then forgets that she changed her mind so then denies
that she ever changed her mind and then flatly lies that she ever meant anything
but her current opinion of convenience, I think we can all just put
Hillary's article in the bottom of the birdcage.Gary Johnson
@Tekakaromatagi --"She received the endorsement earlier this
year of the misnamed Human Right Campaign who are trying to restrict freedom of
conscience. She could have repudiated their endorsement. She didn't do that
either."For about the bazillionth time, religion is NOT an
excuse for discrimination. Never has been, never will be.And there
is absolutely no reason she *should* repudiate the HRC endorsement. They have
done marvelous work towards equal rights for ALL citizens. I've contributed
to them myself.Unlike The Donald, who initially refused to repudiate
endorsements from David Duke and the KKK until he was shamed into it.
I don't think that there is anything unethical with having a staffer write
the opinion. This happens all the time. Presidents have speech writers.However, I am not convinced however that HRC means what was said. She
could have given specific examples of how freedom of conscience is being
suppressed in the US and she didn't. After giving those specific examples,
she could have committed to have enforcement from the Justice department to
protect freedom of conscience. She didn't do that either.She
has earlier said that she is against religious freedom restoration acts (the
same position as Jesse Helms, the now deceases ultra right wing senator from
North Carolina). She could have announced that she has changed her position.
She didn't.She received the endorsement earlier this year of
the misnamed Human Right Campaign who are trying to restrict freedom of
conscience. She could have repudiated their endorsement. She didn't do
that either.It was a nice sounding piece. Nice talk, no substance.
She's untrustworthy. My friends, family and I are all voting for TRUMP!!
I’ve met and/or collaborated with Hillary at times over the years, mostly
on microfinance & the empowering of women globally. I’ve used her
book, “It Takes a Village to Raise a Child” in teaching my BYU MBAs
over the years, as well as in Gospel Doctrine classes at church. Her work to
help girls & women has had amazing benefits around the world. I know LDS
leaders of all political parties, including many leftists in wards & stakes
globally. We’ve not had a perfect U.S. president yet. Single-issue Mormons
howl about leftist candidates all the time, but overlook the
“huugge” weaknesses of every single Republican leader in American
history. The reality is we have to study, pray, discuss, & actually THINK
before voting. Hillary didn’t say everything some people might want, but I
thought she nicely emphasized our values about children, families, &
religious freedom. Of course, Hillary Haters despise the fact that she comes off
bright, compassionate, & a leader. But to many in my state, my ward, &
my LDS stake, her Op-ed was a breath of fresh air. Hopefully, thoughtful
Mormons, Catholics, & Utahns of other faiths will support the best choice
for 2016, "Stronger Together."
@wrz & Alfred "If we continue to allow immigration from
Muslim countries, what you say is true. We will have Shariah law here replacing
our Constitution. That's their plan. We've got to fight against it.
But, how? Trump seems to have the only workable solution... ban immigration from
Muslim countries. But, of course, Clinton accuses him of violating the 1st
Amendment of freedom of religion. Our government representatives should be
concerned about religions that work against freedoms in America.""Trump's ban would help assure that Islam and Shariah law does not
replace our US Constitution. In Muslim-dominated countries, Islam and Shariah
law is the government. There is not separation of church and state. We
can't have that happen in America regardless of the Constitution's
guarantee of freedom of religion. In Islam-dominated countries, no other
religion is allowed to flourish. There is no freedom of religion. We can't
let that happen here."Extremist, delusional, far right
propaganda parroting Faux News and wing nut radio sadly speaks for itself.
Please remove the tin-foil hats. Turn off the radio and change the channel to an
actual credible news source and begin practicing...Welcome Madam President!
"Let's be honest", she said. The only possible action after
saying that is dropping Politics and getting a real job.
@s sev 6:19 p.m. Aug. 11, 2016"I've been fighting to defend
religious freedom for years."Clinton is no friend of religious
freedom. She has opposed Donald Trump's commitment to signing the First
Amendment Defense Act, which would, according to Clinton, "permit
taxpayer-funded discrimination by those who cite religion as a reason to deny
services to LGBT people nationwide."------------------------Citing religion as a reason to deny services to LGBT people nationwide
is not, in any way, religious "freedom" -- that's religion-based
tyranny. I commend Ms. Clinton for working to defend religious freedom and work
against religion-based tyranny, and condemn Donnie for wanting to do the
Oh my word, how gullible does she think we are? So many people I talk to
don't want to vote for either Republican or Democrat. So many turned out
last night for Evan McMullin, someone who is a very refreshing person - he has
seen it all from the CIA side which is a great advantage in politics. I know it
is late in the game - but not an impossibility! He has been working in
Washington DC as the Chief Policy Director for the House's Republican
Conference - AND he knows the importance of using protected email servers!! Who
in the world doesn't??
You mean like she defends the Second Amendment?
"I’ve been fighting to defend religious freedom for years."Clinton is no friend of religious freedom. She has opposed Donald
Trump's commitment to signing the First Amendment Defense Act, which would,
according to Clinton, "permit taxpayer-funded discrimination by those who
cite religion as a reason to deny services to LGBT people nationwide."
In the 19th Century, money was everything, and since LDS didn't have it, we
suffered; today the left wants to reverse course and punish those who work and
have money. I have nothing against Mrs. Clinton, just her party. She will be
better than Bernie, we dodged a bullet with his return to Vermont.
@Gary OSo is the decision to prohibit someone from entering the
temple to witness their son or daughter's marriage is religious
oppression?If a Bishop refuses to perform a wedding for a same sex
couple is that religious oppression?If a caterer decides not to
cater a same sex wedding is that religious oppression?If you
don't believe all three of these are religious oppression, what are the
differentiating factors?Unless you are proposing to give no credence
to the Constitutional right of the free exercise of religion (and exercise
certainly connotes action as well as belief) then that right must necessarily
prevail in many instances over what others may consider their rights.Thus your idea that any religious practice which is contrary to what someone
considers to be their right is religious oppression is at best overly simplistic
and certainly not legally sustainable.
Hillary Clinton's letter to Deseret News is highly speculative but they
print it anyway. When I reply to her letter my comments were ruled to
speculative and Deseret News refused to print it. Seems unfair or can I say
that? Trenton Spears
May I recommend the article by Alexandra DeSanctis dated August 11, 2016 titled:
"Hillary Clinton Is No Champion of Religious Freedom"? You can Google
the article or go directly to National Review. Clinton and her colleagues are
trying everything in their power to win the presidency. Why? Because they are
so passionate about America? Maybe, they are only passionate about lining their
pockets and making good on buying influence for which many have already spent
millions...An informed citizenry is important, especially in this election
cycle. Reading media outlets of all stripes is important. You might also want
to Google today's news that the Department of Justice nixed an
investigation into the Clinton Foundation--orders coming from the top. Both
Clinton and Trump have feet of clay. Some of us do, too...
Of course this is pandering...campaigning is, essentially, the art of pandering
unless you're really a leader and leaders don't seem to be successful
in politics...perhaps because they don't believe in pandering.That said, one can at least credit the letter for pandering with reasonable
words to those holding reasonable views.The other candidate seems
obsessed with pandering with crazy, or dangerous, ideas to the lunatic fringe.
elarue53078: "While I am happy to see any attempt to break the Mormon voting
bloc away from the Republican party..."That is easy. Just get
the Democrats to start supporting positions that actually appeal to Mormons
instead of being firmly in the camp that supports just about everything we are
Talk is cheap, let's see how the Supreme Court continues to act in near
future with law suit nation. I wish she had mentioned Utah's red hot
economy and how conservative principles is the reason for the prosperity.
While the Hillary opinion piece is quick to say I am with the Mormons and I
embrace quotes and ideas from many prominent Mormons, it lacks notation of any
significant thing that Hillary has done for Mormons, or that the majority of
Mormons would agree with.
Here's the interesting part to me. The fact that the Clinton team took the
time to reach out to Mormons in Utah is not just an indication that they think
they can win Utah. It is also an indication that they see an opening and think
they may need to win Utah and Idaho and Arizona to win the election overall.
Also, anybody that believes Hillary wrote this is wrong. I do note
the cleverness of the ghost writer in leaving out the "B" in President
Hinckley's name, and the "S" in President Monson's name making
it seem like Hillary is writing it. However, the "B" and the
"S" appears be included elsewhere between the lines.
kiddsport: '"And let's be honest..." Wouldn't that be
refreshing?'Refreshing indeed! A little honesty is needed from
all sides.#1 The candidates themselves#2 The candidates'
campaigns#3 The media#4 The candidates' supporters#5 The
candidates' criticsBut it is campaign season so I am not
expecting a lot of honesty from any of those groups.
Re: RRB:Mrs. Clinton never said Christian's must change their
views about abortions. Snopes debunked that one (google it) and there is even a
begrudging article from the conservative National Review. Hillary
is a Christian, quotes from the Sermon on the Mount, was mentored by her
Methodist pastor as a youth and has visited Utah many times. In one of her
books she talks about having a Mormon FHE as First Lady of Arkansas. The reason
so many people are surprised/incredulous about this recent article is because
they don't really know the woman. But how could they when they have only
heard about her from Rush Limbaugh or similar sources for 24 years? As Mitt Romney could tell you, Presidential politics are a snake pit. Nobody
thought Hillary, Bill, Mitt or GW were crooks or evil people before they ran for
Presidential office. But once you get at that level, half the country is ready
to believe the worst things about you.
I am surprised that she didn't tell everyone that she is taking the
missionary discussions.She will do or say just about anything to try
and attract voters. I know that candidates are supposed to do things like that,
but some will respect the truth enough to draw the line somewhere.Given her track record with honesty, I wonder if there exists some line that
she will not cross. Why anyone would believe anything she says is beyond me.
Hillary for Prison 2016 !!
Let's us get warm and fuzzy about Hillary Clinton as our President, we just
can't ignore her record about her first time in the White House. Many
people such as ex Secret Service officers and staffers, who had to live with and
serve the Clintons, have described her as certainly someone who is rude,
hateful, crass, and many more dis-functional behaviors. I have read recently
read two books, from ex- secret service officers, which has made me decide I
could never vote for her. My brother recently saw the movie, HILLARY
CLINTON'S AMERICA. I have not yet seen the movie, but I have started to
read the book. No way I will vote for this woman. Donald Trump, as bad as he has
been portrayed is still a better choice than she is. We missed our chance to
elect a very good man the last election. As a member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints, her attempt to woo the Mormon vote, falls on true
hypocrisy. Please Brothers and Sisters, fast and pray, then study her record
before you vote for her. She doesn't care about anybody but herself!!!
While I am happy to see any attempt to break the Mormon voting bloc away from
the Republican party, given that this is the neocon Hillary, it seems like a
feeble attempt to appeal to conservatives because she knows she's already
I agree with several of the commenters. It came across as complete pandering and
lacking authenticity. I am sure a staff member wrote it, as all political
campaigns do, but it was a diarrhea of quotes from mormon leaders and American
founders to appeal to the audience. After reading it, it seems she
doesn't understand the difference between freedom of worship and freedom of
religion. I believe she would be a strong proponent of limiting religious
freedom, such as when a business owner must violate their conscience and deeply
held beliefs to support an abortion or gay marriage. I think Gary
Johnson's op-ed was much better written (having your campaign headquarters
in SLC was probably a huge asset in understanding the audience). What I will say
is that I like Hillary more than Trump but not by a lot. I won't be voting
for either of them.
Hey Sandie -"The problem is that Hillary doesn't even know
what 'religious freedom' means." It's more likely
that you don't know what religious freedom means.When your
religion has the freedom to trample MY rights and the rights of others, that is
not religious freedom.That is religious oppression.Did
Hearing Hillary quote church leaders makes my skin crawl and puts me into dry
heaves. How can the worst criminal candidate in history claim to have any
shared values with the church. She is the epitome of everything Ezra Taft
Benson and others strongly warned us about. Beyond all the scandals, she is a
socialist, communist, and supporter/admirer of Margaret Sanger and the slaughter
of millions of babies. There has never been a candidate further from the
principles of agency, freedom, chastity, charity, honesty, and virtue. She will
be the realization of the worst times in the history of our country, even its
downfall and the time of cleansing. The only thing she has in common with our
religion is in representing the evil that stands in opposition to good.
@EsquireTrump doesn't represent LDS values. He is a greedy guy
who is only in it for himself. Clinton on the other hand has proven she is
willing to say anything to get votes (example: Her stance on marriage in 2008
was it should be between a man and a women and her stance in 2016 is as long as
people love each other). Clinton is a liar and carelessly handles sensitive
information. She is not fit for president and neither is Trump, people should
start looking at other candidates like the Constitution party's candidate.
@ Corby: You worry that a lot of those opposed to Hillary are cynical. I’m
sorry, you are right; but that cynicism is well deserved, and comes from years
of watching Hillary.@ LDS liberal. “So, they resort to:Personal attacks on her, name calling, fabricated [and
regurgitated] lies”No, we’re only looking at her very
well-documented history, clear back from the 1980s. I’d suggest that
everyone learn it.@ Prometheus Platypus: Hillary is very guilty.
She’s pulled the wool over the eyes of many, with the help of a vast
left-wing conspiracy and the media.@Baccus0902 “So much hate
and judgment against one person who has never been proved guilty.” Maybe
not officially, but the evidence of her guilt on numerous scandals is
overwhelming. Comey was clear that he, personally, found her guilty on the email
scandal, but just decided not to prosecute.@ John Lorz “Such
shallow commentary: "Did she write it?" Good point. The better question,
is, does she actually believe it? I’d give anyone the benefit of the doubt
on this, unless I knew from previous experiences that she is prone to lying.
@ Tyler D“Unemployment rate below 5%” The official rate is a
lie. It doesn’t count those who gave up. The real rate is much, much
higher. (But yes, I’m sure GOP presidents use the same lying
statistic.)“Virtual energy independence” The best thing
we’ve done for energy independence is fracking, strongly opposed by the
administration and the Democratic party. Also drilling is up, but in spite of
Obama, not because of him. “No major terrorist attacks on
homeland” I guess San Bernardino and Orlando were not as
“major” as some attacks have been. But that’s small comfort to
the victims’ families.How about adding these to your list: The
IRS illegally targeting conservatives? The Obamacare rollout? The Obamacare
results? (deductibles so high the insurance is practically useless, you can keep
your doctor was a lie.) The VA scandal that Obama promised to clean up clear
back in 2007? The racial divide widening, with Obama wedging them apart with his
rhetoric? The mess Hillary caused in Libya? The national debt at stratospheric
levels? (Obama adding to it more than all previous presidents combined.)
Last year, Ms. Clinton, in a speech promoting abortion and LGBT rights indicated
that one of the elements in society which seemed to be working against these
ideals was religion and stated that people would need to substantially change
their beliefs. When I heard her speak those words, I got the distinct feeling
that she might support religious freedom, but only as long as it supported
You can have complete freedom of religious thought, just don't let it
influence your life.
Well played Hillary. Well played.
The moderators got me again for a reference to an aquatic animal.This was a masterful political move to publish this Op Ed that was most likely
not written by her. The problem is, she has made too many other statements over
the years that contradict and conflict what is said in this Op Ed. But to kind
of quote Jeffrey Holland (sorry to Elder Holland for this), "you get credit
for trying."I doubt that this Op Ed will change any minds.
Hillary is still Hillary. Her interest is totally in herself, her friends and
taking advantage of the power that she will have if she gets elected.Everything with Hillary is a political calculation. Always has been. Always
will be. Did I mention Trump? Nope. Am I voting for Trump? Nope.
I'm hoping Trump totally implodes and the Republicans draft Mitt to come to
the rescue. It's nice to dream.The next four years will be
interesting. I'm not voting for Johnson either.
Making quotes does not mean she believes it herself. It's just words.
The haters are going to hate. But I think this is a nice outreach to Utahns and
Church members. If nothing else, someone did some research. How about Trump?
How does he reflect Utah and LDS values? I can't wait to see people twist
themselves into pretzels in rationalizing Trump.
@Hoosier87 – “I think facts can sometimes be inconvenient
things:” Yes they are and I noticed you did not dispute
any of mine (which are all stats Republicans love to trumpet unless
they’re not in power). As to your facts, let’s look at
them: Labor participation rate is largely a function of retiring
baby boomers, more women choosing to be stay-at-home moms, and more kids going
to college. The poverty stats are exactly what we would expect from
the Great (Republican) Recession and their long term adherence to trickle-down
economics. And exploding debt is also what you get when Republicans
cut taxes and then cause the worst economic downturn in almost a century.
Do you really think Obama would have turned the Clinton surplus into the
mountain of red ink we have today? Now, would you like to talk about
the facts I presented (since I addressed yours) or should I consider your
silence as total agreement?
Am I the only one here who sees that she is sucking up to the Utah votes?
Scandal after scandal after scandal. She can say anything she wants, but actions
speak louder than words and in that manner she is loud and clear. You
couldn't pay me enough to vote for her and that doesn't even take into
account where she stands on most issues. And no, a Trump vote is doubtful also.
As far as the temporary ban: Carter banned Iranians while President. Citing the
Alien and Sedition Acts as precedence, FDR restricted the entry and
naturalization of Japanese, Germans, and Italians respectively. Obama has
restricted Christians from Syria. Section 212(f) of the Immigration
and Nationality Act of 1952 states: “Whenever the President finds that the
entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be
detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and
for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or
any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of
aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”George
W Bush barred for entry included members of the Mugabe government in Zimbabwe
and the Lukashenka government in Belarus. Clinton banned entry for members of
the Haitian military, their immediate families, any major participants in the
coup d’état of 1991. Ronald Reagan that suspended entry of officers
and employees of the Nicaraguan government.
LDS LiberalIf you had read his list, you would not be asking that.
It more than disturbs me that Mrs. Clinton just blatantly lied to our faces and
somehow assumes that we wouldn't notice because she has suddenly become the
Mormons "new best friend and savior". For someone who spends every
waking minute actively and systematically breaking down the Constitution she has
some nerve telling us that she will protect it.Mrs. Clinton, your
actions are in direct opposition to your hollow words.
As I recall -- Donald Trump will not select Judges based on
qualifications, but rather by race and ethnicity...
"Trump’s Muslim ban would undo centuries of American tradition and
values."Trump's ban would help assure that Islam and
Shariah law does not replace our US Constitution. In Muslim-dominated
countries, Islam and Shariah law is the government. There is not separation of
church and state. We can't have that happen in America regardless of the
Constitution's guarantee of freedom of religion. In Islam-dominated
countries, no other religion is allowed to flourish. There is no freedom of
religion. We can't let that happen here. Trump's position is what
will keep it from happening. "To this day, I wonder if he even
understands the implications of his proposal."He understands it
perfectly well. The person that doesn't understand is Hillary Clinton.
She would sell our country down the river just to get elected.
She speaks to Mormon people without pandering and is willing to Speak to them
as adults. No screaming, no hatred, no fear mongering, no childish insults. I
don't always agree with her, but I truly respect her. I want an adult as my
President. I couldn't look my kids in the eyes and say that I honestly
think Donald Trump is fit to step foot in our White House. I'm with her.
@What in Tucket?:"The record of Islam in Europe is not so
good."It's not good in America, either."Oslo police say Oslo is lost to the Muslims and not safe to walk there.
Sharia law is required by a good Muslim and we will have that here too."If we continue to allow immigration from Muslim countries, what you say
is true. We will have Shariah law here replacing our Constitution. That's
their plan. We've got to fight against it. But, how? Trump seems to have
the only workable solution... ban immigration from Muslim countries. But, of
course, Clinton accuses him of violating the 1st Amendment of freedom of
religion. Our government representatives should be concerned about religions
that work against freedoms in America. That would be Trump. And, for sure, not
Hillary.@Open Minded Mormon:"We'll watch as the rush
of mindless PERSONAL attacks against Secretary Clinton,without s single
rebuttal to ANYTHING she actually said."Her speech is nothing
but meaningless gobble-ed-gook. She has developed the capability to speak and
say absolutely nothing.
Good grief what pandering. There are actually people out there gullible enough
to fall for her? She'll only allow freedom if your religion looks to the
government instead of God for how and what to value (except Muslims of course).
She supports more government interference with decisions in childhood education
and health, and the replacement of parental influence, so for religions that
value family then that's out the window. She has a horrendous record for
women's rights, from defending her husband's actions to the way she
defended rapists, accusing rape victims as young as 12 of being liars. Her
support of abortion is even further proof that she does not value women. She
does not have a religious bone in her body, and her lying, corrupt,
irresponsible, treasonous selling out of our country to foreign governments
spells doom for our country if she gets elected. She's already promised to
put Justices on the Supreme Court who will restrict both religion and gun rights
that our fore fathers gave us. Trump has shown more patriotism, respect for our
military and police officers, more concern for regular Americans, and more
concern for our national security. Go Trump!
Such shallow commentary: "Did she write it?"America is
declining exactly because of the superficial insights of its citizens.
Just one more carefully micro-targeted sales pitch to one of the hundreds of
groups they are trying to fool into voting for Hillary. They do similar things
appealing to Atheists, pro-abortion groups, the LGBT folks, and every other
demographic.You can be sure that while Hillary Clinton's name
appears on this, that not she, but one of the more than 800 campaign staff
members wrote it.Even if it were Hillary's own words, we know
from years of experience that she has a very difficult time being truthful about
anything. So, why should we believe this? However, I am sure that it will fool
some of the people, and thus help get her elected.
She Has my vote and financial support. I will not vote for a candidate who is
pretending to be pro life , but thinks his sister- who is pro-abortion - would
be a good supreme court justice and wants his daughter in the cabinet. I
don't trust him to nominate republican justices - he will pick ones who
will support his tyranny- He doesn't stand for ANYONE but himself. Hillary
is not perfect and has a lot of flaws, but she is not an unhinged toddler with
no self control. given the choice between hillary and trump, it isn't even
a question of who is qualified to deal with the world and the issues the USA has
to deal with. Trump is categorically a disaster. I can only hope the GOP asks
him to step down and puts up another candidate
The moderator denied my last post because I quoted scripture. I'll never
do that again. But those of you who see only two options and think voting for
one is the least of two evils, there are other options. Do your homework and
think outside the box.
@NT: "What awful choices we have. For me, it boils down to one thing and one
thing only: SCOTUS appointments. Period." And this alone is
enough to vote for Clinton. Trump thinks judges sign bills, how in the world he
would appoint a competent jurist is beyond me. Especially because many of the
advisers he does seem to have our hard core religious right who are determined
to turn this country into a theocracy. Clinton will appoint someone
concerned about freedom and the constitution. Not someone who will turn to their
religious teachings to come up with an opinion.
I don't understand how anyone thinks they are protecting their own
religious freedoms by restricting others peoples ability to choose for
themselves. I don't agree with gay marriage, but I surely get it that we
don't ensure our own rights when we seek to limit other peoples rights,
based on religious tenants of ones own personal faith. No one is forcing you
to adopt a lifestyle that is not your own, nor renounce any religious beliefs.
The core tenant of the LDS faith is we choose a plan where
individuals were to have the right to choose right or wrong... not be coerced
into a life that conformed. Using the law to demand conformity with religious
beliefs is not what government should be used for.
Of course she had help writing this letter. Every candidate has help with
letters, speeches, etc. But she had to approve of the content and of responding
to the DNews request in the first place. Yes, she is very savvy and very
political. So is Romney, Huntsman, etc. But more importantly, she is actually
prepared for the difficult job of being President. There is likely no one who
has ever been more unprepared or potentially dangerous than Donald Trump. She
may raise taxes on billionaires and appoint judges who lean left. But she will
be a far, far better President in very important times than Donald Trump.
So many attacks on Clinton... but America will seriously hold its breath if
Donald Trump ever sits in the Oval Office. Utah voters need to put their
partisanship aside and help sweep Donald the Demagogue aside, rebuild the
Republican party and then put someone against Clinton who is a patriot. But
this election needs to end with Trump retired from politics.
@mindlessWouldn't it be interesting to find out who wrote her
speech? The first time I recall such happening was when JFK spoke in the
Tabernacle and praised the Mormon Pioneers. Have you ever heard her before say
it takes a "ward" to raise someone? It's pretty obvious she is
pandering for votes with the quotes she's sharing. And suddenly Mitt
Romney knows what he is talking about since he criticized Trump, huh? Can you
not see right through this....?
@Tyler DI think facts can sometimes be inconvenient things:Labor-Force-Participation rate: 65.7% (Bush) 62.8% (Obama)Blacks Only:
63.2% (Bush) 60.9% (Obama)Poverty: 14.3% (Bush) 15% (Obama)Blacks only: 25.8% (Bush) 27.2% (Obama)Median Income: $53,285
(Bush) $51,017 (Obama)Blacks Only: $34,880 (Bush) $33,321 (Obama)Food Stamps: 32,889,000 (Bush) 46,022,000 (Obama)Blacks Only:
7,393,000 (Bush) 10,955,000 (Obama)Home Ownership: 67.3%
(Bush) 64.8% (Obama)Blacks Only: 46.1% (Bush) 43.3% (Obama)$20 Trillion in debtIsis is spreading throughout the worldRace
Relations are at an all time low (Cop shootings, etc...)I'm not
sure using any metric can you claim Obama has been a good President. As I said
before, Democratic policies lead to chaos and a complete mess!
In a speech last year, Hillary Clinton lamented that too many women are
supposedly denied abortions. The Democratic presidential candidate came under
fire for that pro-abortion comment, but she also drew widespread condemnation
for another remark in the speech."Christians must be forced to
change their religious views to accommodate abortions."“Far too many women are still denied critical access to reproductive
health care and safe childbirth. All the laws we’ve passed don’t
count for much if they’re not enforced,” Clinton said, using the
euphemism for abortion.
When will Trump write a letter on this issue?
Wow! So much hate and judgment against one person who has never been proved
guilty.To my brothers and sisters in Utah who don't believe HRC
wrote or approved this op-ed:1.- In a well organized campaign NO
document bearing the candidate's name is allowed to go to the press without
the approval of the candidate i.e. HRC2.- Ms. Clinton didn't
need to answer to the Deseret News' request. After all the DNC does not
expect to win Utah in November.3.- I would say that chances are that
the staffer who wrote the letter is an LDS who took pleasure in attempting to
correct the record of Ms. Clinton among his/her fellow Mormons.4.- I
would say that chances are that the staffer who wrote the letter is an LDS who
took pleasure in teaching Ms. Clinton about Utah and LDS Church history.5.- I find this letter to be a sign of respect toward the people of Utah
and an acknowledgment of the shared values we have.@ SameJersey - The maturity of your comments give me hope that my Utah's brothers and
sisters are capable to evolve and look at the bigger picture.
I think Clinton, like all polliticians will say what she wants you to hear.
When talking to Utahans she will say what the majority of people in this state
want to hear. Does that mean she believes or follows what she says? You be the
judge. Anyone can say the right things. By there fruits you will know them.
Trump on the other hand is a big question.
All this shows to me is that Hillary Clinton is great at pandering. I do not
believe a word she says. She will protect religious liberty in the same way
that Obama protected traditional families. It is all a lie to get elected.
Hillary "made belittling remarks about religious liberty, particularly in
the context of Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis and Indiana’s Religious
Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). This is particularly ironic, since it was
Hillary’s husband, Bill Clinton, who signed a federal RFRA into law back
in the 1990s, when gay rights weren’t as fashionable as they are today.
What’s more, candidate Clinton’s rhetoric went to great lengths to
paint anyone who disagrees with the morality of the LGBT worldview as being
beneath the threshold of respect." From the National Review. October 5 2015
@BWBinOregon"She says what she thinks her audience wants to
hear."Yup, that's what politicians do at campaign time. Who
would vote for someone saying things you DON'T want to hear?
Here's the deal. Hillary didn't write this article, a staff member
did. I'll bet she hasn't even read it. Hillary will do what ever it
takes to get elected. She is terrified that a Trump justice department will not
cover up her criminal activities like Obama's department has. As a member of the LDS church, I will not vote for this woman. The church
teaches honestly and being law-abiding. Hillary has proven time and time again
that she is otherwise.
This article is hilarious.The problem is that Hillary doesn't
even know what "religious freedom" means. In her mind, it is allowing
religious people to "believe" what they want. But try and act on those
beliefs (at the core of religion) when they come in conflict with her social
agenda, and guaranteed she will be the first to slap us in the face and turn her
back on all of her professed support for "religious freedom."It's a joke, really.It's rich hearing someone like her
try and preach support for religious minorities and list off the names of a few
latter-day prophets considering she was a big fan of 'The Book of
Mormon' play on Broadway which mocks the Mormon religion and espouses
religious hatred.Her typical hypocrisy is on full display here.
If she can get BYU into the Big 12 then I'll vote for her.
The purpose of religion is to control the minds and bodies of people.
It’s much easier than military conquest; all you have to have is a good
story about life after death. Other than its improvable gospel organized
religion is simply a business operation. Their product is the peace
of mind that comes with believing the story. Of all the fears and difficulties
of human existence the fear of death is the greatest. Few people would choose
to die rather than endure the worst that life imposes. It is
unlikely that any politician would be truly religious, but smart politicians go
along with the qualities that the people want them to have.
The hate runs deep in Utah. Strange since so many expressing their
hatred, and mistrust, tell us how religious they are on every post, yet they
don't say things that align with their professed beliefs, and some present
outright lies that have been rebutted dozens of times, that seems odd. The 10
commandments talk about gossip and lies, but doesn't mention gay, and they
don't see those commandments as important for some reason.The
"she didn't write it" is totally a pathetic excuse, also just a
right wing rumor, or bearing false witness for the religious.It
wouldn't matter how nice she was, or what she said, they have been told
that she is evil and they will repeat it ad nauseam, never mind facts or the
truth.A wise commenter said on these pages...For 25
years Republicans have mandated investigations and hearings focused on Clinton
and have come up empty. We have three options:1. She's a better
supervillain than Lex Luthor, Dr. Doom and Moriarity combined2. A quarter
century of Republican investigators are so incompetent the could find a pig in a
bathtub 3. She's not guilty.
She may have done okay, until she pulled in a very tiny quote from Sister Wixom.
Didn't change my mind from Johnson.
@PensiveOneCosta Mesa, CA12:56 p.m.RE: "In 1966 the
Dean of Men at BYU summoned me to his private office where he called me "the
antichrist" to my face"...---Wait a minute... you're
telling us the Dean said you are the anti-christ... and you want us to listen to
you and follow your advice? =====RE: "Some time
later the statue was removed from the Quad"...---The statue of
Brigham Young is still there on the quad BTW. I think you may have a creative
memory of those days. It was never removed from the quad.Don't
believe me... Google "Images for byu quad statue"... It's still
there. It wasn't removed.But I do agree we should not vote
based on dogma, and stereotypes. Even Democrat dogma.
Publish her letter to the Oregonian or SF Chronicle. I'm sure it would
contradict most of everything she put in here.
It appears Mrs. Bill and her minions are now writing comedy.Sadly,
we've LEARNED from the Obama administration that their "word" is
good for - well, NOTHING."If you like your doctor you can keep
your doctor""there's not a smidgen of corruption
here""the Benghazi embassy attacks were caused by an
American cartoonist gone rogue"Should I continue??For basically EVERYONE in the democratic party, sadly, the end ALWAYS
justifies the means.In this case it is propaganda to get Mrs. Bill
"I will defend .... I mean ...defeat religious freedom"
Let's see -- The uber-far-right-wing can't dispute a single word
in the letter Sec. Clinton wrote to the citizens of Utah -- So, they
resorts to:Personal attacks on her, name calling, fabricated [and regurgitated] lies, andConspiracy TheoriesNo wonder Donald Trump has so many supporters here, they are just
like HIM !...Sadder still, many of them are Latter-Day Saints...
She says what she thinks her audience wants to hear. I do not trust her.
@KSC"While I applaud the effort that it took for candidate
Clinton to have one of her 700+ staffers write this op-ed piece, her undoing is
her history."I would even go so far as to suggest that those who
actually did write it for her were from Utah or had strong Utah ties.Hillary is pretty incredible.What awful choices we have. For me,
it boils down to one thing and one thing only: SCOTUS appointments. Period.
Yea, sure she will. Open minded, I read the article by the way.
Wow. This is a whole new level of pandering. Awkward…
She agrees unless you own a gun
I'm glad that Clinton reaffirms her belief in the freedom to worship. But
it obviously concerns me that she equates freedom of religion to the narrower
freedom to worship. The first amendment protects against any law that prohibits
the free exercise of religion. To win over defenders of the first amendment,
Clinton must affirm that Americans are free to exercise religion without being
prohibited from engaging in commerce. As long as she wields the possibility that
you can be prevented from earning a living unless you abandon your religious
beliefs then freedom of religion will be merely a mirage.
It's a good letter- good at attacking Donald Trump and all the horrible
things he's said and pulling at our heartstrings by making it personal by
using quotes from LDS leaders. That's what 75% of the letter was. Only a
paragraph or two on what Clinton herself has done. Nothing on what she really
intends to do, other than 'protect religious freedoms'.How
are you going to do that, Ms. Clinton? Are you going to quit supporting the
LGBT, the most intolerant group toward religious freedoms? They target Christian
businesses constantly, suing them out of business. Thomas Jefferson, when he
penned the words she quotes, didn't mean that people are only allowed to
practice their religion when government says it's okay to do so- he meant
that people will ALWAYS be able to practice their religion, no matter where they
are and that it is illegal to infringe on that right.And no matter
how much she may say she supports religious liberty, as long as she supports
abortion on demand at tax payer expense, she is not going to convince me that
she is for religious freedom.
She is very right about one thing...we need each other. The fact she is willing
to essentially endorse statements made by current Republican politicians is at
least somewhat telling she might be willing to cross the aisle and play nice
with the other kids in the sandbox. Our nation is just too divided. No matter
how misguided we feel the other side is, we really do NEED each other. In truth,
there really is no OTHER side. We all wear the same jersey. Kudos to
Senator Clinton for reminding us of this in a VERY divisive election year.
Whether you decide to vote for her or not, you have to admit this was WELL
PLAYED. Whether she means it or not (and I sincerely hope she did), this is
exactly the type of speech Americans need to hear from a future leader. United we stand, divided we fall. As least she is promising to listen to
the Utah and the Mormon contingent and recognize us as an important piece in the
ongoing American Adventure. Again, this means more to me than anything I have
heard from the right all campaign season. Who knows, she might actually take
@Hoosier87 – “The record of Democrats running things (no matter
where they are) is a dismal mess”This one continues to baffle.
By what measure has the last 8 years been a “dismal mess” especially
considering where we were when Obama assumed office?Stock Market at
record highUnemployment rate below 5%Corporate profits through the
roofImmigration down and deportations upVirtual energy
independenceNo major terrorist attacks on homelandListing
these things right-wingers tend to care about most, if this had all happened
under McCain or Romney the Right would be singing “Morning in
America.”@Chris Barkdull – “Benghazi
Lies”Fully granting this point (despite 8 Congressional
committees finding no actionable fault) if “lies” are the troubling
feature here, a Trump presidency should be the most disturbing reality you could
Dear Hillary Clinton and campaign worker who wrote this,It seems to be
common for politicians to pander to certain groups of voters like the major
religion found in Utah, treating them like they're all the same,
single-issue voters. I do belong to that religion, but I won't be
supporting your candidate.I cannot support the blatant dishonesty
and corruption exhibited by your candidate, including her well-documented lying.
Also, most Mormons don't like her wholehearted support of Planned
Parenthood. Many of us find that organization morally abhorrent and don't
want our money to fund them. I fall into that category too. Contrary to many
people in my faith, I also don't support your candidate's military
action as Secretary of State in Libya and Syria or her past and current support
of the death penalty, and no, I am not a Trump supporter. This just goes to show
you, that people are unique and don't fit into a box - there is more nuance
than you might think in the world. I will work hard to make sure that now and in
the future that we have alternatives to the current, terrible candidates.
As much as I hate to admit this, she just nailed it. Even if she really only
believed half of what she said, she still nailed it. As a lifelong Mormon and an
attorney, I am tired of constantly feeling like members of society don't
really view us as being "American." Yes, our religion is different than
others. Our culture and our perspective on life is also different. I am tired of
having to explain ourselves to government elites that view us a being, at best,
extremely odd and worthy of constant ridicule and, at worst, terrorists -- here
is looking at you Gary Johnson. If Hilary means even half of what
she says that she believes that Mormons along with peoples of all faiths have a
future in mainstream American society as part of the whole, then that is better
than anything I have heard from the right this entire campaign season.I am just tired of voting for candidates who, at best, pay only lip service to
religious freedom. I am tired of supporting a republican party who can't,
in turn, support the best candidate we have had for President in 50 years
because he wears different underwear.
As others have mentioned, it may well be that a campaign staffer wrote this, and
even possible that Hillary did not personally read and sign-off on it. For
argument's sake, let's assume that is true.Even the
negative comments grudgingly acknowledge that this column hits a remarkable
number of LDS high notes, woven together in a direct and coherent argument for
voting for her over Trump. In short, an excellent work product, which reflects
well on the campaign management, with Clinton sitting at the top. And for
better or worse, both primary and presidential campaign operations are the one
apples-to-apples comparison point for judging how a candidate will perform in
managing the executive branch.Even if you assume this was written by
a low-level campaign underling without Clinton's input or sign-off, that
merely demonstrates the depth of talent with the campaign hierarchy and her
confidence in her team. This foreshadows the talent who will fill lower levels
If anyone actually thinks Hillary penned this letter, let alone believes it, is
not just delusional, but dangerously so. Are you serious? Hillary Clinton
quoting LDS leaders as if she has been eating lunch with them every day and
studying its doctrines for the past 50 years. Come on, people. I'll bet
if anyone asked a follow up question like, "Have you ever heard of Thomas S.
Monson?" she would probably say something like, "Yes, of course,
wasn't he that famous baseball player that played with Babe Ruth?"
Wow, come on. How naive can people be?
HRCBenghazi LiesGoldman Sachs Sold out to the Big BanksPrivate email server Lied, broke the law, and got away with itDead
bodies count the bodies that litter the past who got in the way of the
ClintonsTravelgate She thinks she is the queen, not a public servantBosnia and Snipers selective imagination there were no snipersWe could go on and on.. HRC is not fit to be our president and either is
A well-written piece. I wonder who actually wrote it. But the closing statements
proved it was all a bold-faced lie. She has never followed the Constitution and
has fought fought for years to wrap it around her personal agenda. Too bad this
essay ended with such a lie.
It's pretty comical to see all the liberals on here think that Mormons, who
aren't dumb enough to fall for Trump's lies, are suddenly going to be
fooled by Hillary's. It's not going to happen.The options
here are to either vote for the lesser of two evils or go with a third-party.
Hillary and Trump are both the worst possible candidates for President.
Anyone else note that her cries for religious freedom were all about religious
freedom for Islamics? Not a word about religious freedom for the rest of us.
It was a letter demanding unlimited immigration, freedom for Muslims, and,
coupled with her previous statements about forcing Christian churches to change
their doctrines, not a single word in support of Mormon's freedom to not be
forced by the government.It was a shell game. Democrats only support
religious liberty for Muslims and the Islamic faith--they get to do whatever
they want. Did Hillary commit to supporting religious liberty for Christians?
Did she commit to defending us against predatory LGBT bigots? Nope! She just
promised she would import millions more Muslims and work to make sure they get
to obey whatever law they want. Nothing she said suggests she would
stand up for Mormons or other Christians, in anything.
versus this quip from the Republican candidate:"Are you sure he's
a Mormon?" ~ Donald Trump about Mitt Romney
The comments are interesting to read. A lot of readers objection to it is just a
cynical "She didn't REALLY write this herself..." which isn't
much of a rebuke. Even if she was just consulted on it, she still gave approval
to sign her name to it. She is Hillary Clinton and she approves this message.
In 1966 the Dean of Men at BYU summoned me to his private office where he called
me "the antichrist" to my face. He did this because I had pointed out in
the school paper -- then called The Cougar -- That Brigham Young had worn long
hair and a beard. In those days Brigham's statue stood on the
Quad in front of the Administration Building in direct sartorial opposition to
the clean-cut look required of male students: a fact I noted in a sentence or
two. Some time later the statue was removed from the Quad.I am not
the antichrist but just a human being, now 69 years old. I write to urge my LDS
sisters and brothers to approach the current election with humanity instead of
with dogma. Humanity brings people together; dogma divides.
No matter what this op-ed piece says, we know at least two things:1
– Hillary Clinton did not take the time to write it. She has 700+ staffers
who handle this type of request. This article is the product of a political
machine which is intent on electing the candidate which will keep them in power
- give them what they want.2 – Hillary Clinton has a near perfect
track record of pandering by saying and doing whatever will progress her
personal and political agenda. The bottom line is: It is impossible to believe
anything which she says.
Did Hillary "nail it" as one poster told us, or did she show us that
she, just like Master Mahan, would say anything and do anything to get power?
When has she ever stood up for religious freedom? How many Christians in
Mid-East parts of the world will ever tell us that "Hillary" stood up
for them? How many will tell us that she did anything at anytime anywhere to
make their lives safe? She is a politician. Those who believe her are going to
treated just like everyone else who has believed her. By the way, what happened
to Ron Brown, his lawyer and the 34 people who were on the same plane as Ron
Brown? How about Admiral Borda or Bill Shelton or Kathy Ferguson or Ronald
Rogers or Hersehell Friday or Ed Wiley or Luther Parks or Stanley Heard or John
Walker or Vincent Foster or, or, or, or . . . the list goes on and on and on.
Has there ever been another time in U.S. History when so many people directly
associated with a political figure have "disappeared"?
Whether Hillary wrote this or not, it shows she is running an organization that
is capable of understanding and reaching out to religious minorities. This is
evidence of how her administration would govern.
@heavyhitter asks if Clinton thinks Utahns are gullible, one-issue voters, and
then goes on to say that "we actually care..about protecting marriage and
family and the sanctity of life". My personal opinion is that
anyone who truly believes that anti-gay marriage legislation such as Amendment 3
did anything whatsoever to "protect" marriage is, yes, gullible.And anyone who supports turning down federal money to give insurance to
low income people--knowing that some of them will die unnecessarily as a
result-- does NOT believe in the sanctity of life. Lehi, UTIs
this what Hillary Clinton thinks Utahns are--gullible one-issue ("religious
freedom") voters? Utahns are a lot more sophisticated than that. Yes,
religious freedom is important. But we also actually care about protecting our
borders through lawful immigration, protecting marriage and family
"if HC didn't write it, she did approve it" Don't get your
hopes up. She tells all the time she didn't approve things that happened
under her watch.
How in the world would she know what any of the LDS leaders have said? She
doesn't have any interest, or time to find out. Her staff writers have
been very busy studying and writing what they hope the people of Utah want to
hear. SAD that there are folks that will believe she wrote it and even that SHE
A presidential campaign actually cares enough about Mormon voters to write
campaign for them! Has that happened in the past 50 years? Romney didn't
need to bother trying to win Mormons. Republicans in general haven't needed
to try since Ezra Taft Benson. Democrats haven't bothered. I think it is
totally awesome that a presidential campaign cares enough about the Mormon vote
to put resources towards winning a slice of it. It would be great if campaigns
had to compete for Mormon voters instead of just sticking them in a Republican
box and moving onto more fertile electoral ground.
It would be impossible to believe she wrote this, let alone even saw it. It is
I am so greatful, and we are all so blessed, that in these troubled times, we
have such an experienced and able leader to support. When the constitution is
being compromised by far right groups, it's a blessing to have Mrs.
Clinton's princples and leadership at this critcal time.
bright angel -Whether HC wrote this letter or not, it was pretty
impressive writing. Someone who knows detailed information about American
History and the rise of the LDS Church wrote this. Even if HC didn't write
it, she did approve it. Either way, it's a LOT more impressive than
anything I've heard from DT.
Gotta admit, I'm impressed! She took the time to write this letter
specifically for the Utah audience, and she did it well.
@What in Tucket,The irony is that many Muslims in Europe are
converting to Christianity...in large numbers. I'm not suggesting in any
way the situation has been handled correctly by the Secretary of State or the
Obama Administration. I think they have a horrible track record frankly in
dealing with Islamic terrorism.The point is many people who choose
something better if it was available. Islam limits the choices of the poor and
forces Islamic traditions, customs, marriages, and other required choices on
their people. In Islam, the leaders are the ones to be feared and dealt with.
I've known many Iranian's who came to the states to attend college.
Not all people from the Middle East or have fled their country did so solely to
create terrorist networks in Europe and eventually America.The
government needs to deal with Islamic terrorism at its source, which is the
leadership of ISIS, heads of Islamic states promoting anti-Western hatred, and
their funding sources. The average Muslim refugee is no more a terrorist than
anyone you know.
Some staffer did a great job of writing this. Seriously, praise for Romney,
Herbert, Huntsman, Jefferson, and Sister Wixom? Is she trying to convince us
that she is a Republican?
Has anyone ever seen or heard such a good political argument that it caused you
or someone you know to say “hey, that’s a good point” and then
they changed their mind?Just curious…Perhaps if we
can understand why this is apparently rare, we might gain some real insight into
our political divide. A good place to start might be Federalist Paper #10 (on
factions and their dangers to democracy).PS – how to create
factions (hint: bypass the frontal lobe) is a whole other discussion, though we
should note that certain media outlets have perfected it in ways not seen since
the Nuremberg Rallies.
So What in Tucket believes that religious freedom is only for christians? How republican of you, to deny others religious freedom based on the
belief that only your religion is true, and should be protected?
Mrs. Clinton has good researchers and speechwriters. But she is still wrong in
many ways. While she says she supports religious freedom, it appears she
doesn't understand the true purpose of religion, at least not the way many
LDS people in Utah understand it. To people who actively practice any specific
religion, it's not about the freedom to attend whatever church we like and
listen to whichever preacher we choose. It's about putting principles into
practice in our lives after we learn them in church. For example, when a baker
or photographer is forced to provide their service to a same-sex wedding, in
spite of a deeply held religious belief that a marriage sanctioning such a union
is contrary to God's will, their freedom of religion has not been
protected. Mrs. Clinton's version of freedom of religion would not comfort
these private citizens who are merely earning a living by plying a trade. If
people can't practice what they hear preached, then religion is of no use
to anyone. Those preaching tolerance to those who disagree with them need to
extend that same tolerance.
@IronyYou are quite mistaken. A direct quote:"Yes, we've
nearly closed the global gender gap in primary school, but secondary school
remains out of reachfor so many girls around the world.Yes,
we've increased the number of countries prohibiting domestic violence, but
still, more than half the nations in the world have no such laws on the books,
and an estimated one in three women still experience violence.Yes,
we've cut the maternal mortality rate in half, but far too many women are
still denied critical access to reproductive health care and safe childbirth.All the laws we have don't count for much if they're not
enforced. Rights have to exist in practice, not just on paper. Laws have to be
backed up with resources and political will, and deep seated cultural codes,
religious beliefs, and structural biases have to be changed."Do
you care to apologize for your error?
Do any of you really think HC wrote this op-ed?
Wow -that is one scary politician!I'd consider that pandering.
And I'm not sure she believes hardly a word in that letter. The record of Democrats running things (no matter where they are) is a dismal
mess. She acts like we haven't had 8 years of Democrat leadership. Other
than telling us how great religion is - because that's what she thinks we
want to hear in Utah - what specifically are you going to do?
The comparison between this piece and the speech Donald Trump gave in Salt Lake
City a few weeks back is stunning. One person does her homework, has something
important to say, and doesn't condescend to her audience. The other starts
out by insulting Mitt Romney, shouts "I LOVE the Mormons," and then
gives his usual rambling remarks that address little of substance. Whatever you may think of her politics Hillary Clinton takes the people of
Utah seriously while Donald Trump takes them granted. People
nationwide are stunned that Trump is doing so poorly in Utah. They
What in Tucket?Provo, UT"Her aide is Muslim and has ties
to the Muslim brotherhood. If you are a Christian or any religious of any
religion other than Islam one would fear Islam."You've been
listening to too much Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly,
and Glenn Beck.So, do you believe in blood atonement? Do Christians
have to fear your religion? And your understanding of Sharia Law is confused.
Didn't you listen to Mr. Khan when he said that it was incompatible with
the Constitution and would never find its way to the United States?You lose all credibility when you refer to the imaginings of the wingnut media
Well I guess you can admire her (or, probably more accurately, her staff
writer's) chutzpah, if that's your sort of thing. What the letter
boils down to is "I'm less scary that Donald Trump on the issue of
religious liberty," which MIGHT be true, but ignores a) the fact that
she's still pretty scary on that issue and b) all the other problems most
Utahns have with her.I wonder what her opinion on the LBGT move to
shut-out BYU would be? My guess is she would support it, despite her stated
"pro-religious freedom" stance here.
I wonder how Mrs. Clinton would feel about laws which would require Christians
to cater events which conflict with their most basic religious beliefs? My
guess is Mrs. Clinton believes in freedom of worship, not freedom of religion.
She has said she believes Christians will have to give up their understanding of
scripture with regards to women's rights and gay rights. What a fraud.
I don't doubt Hillary Clinton will protect religious freedom and the
Constitution. She hasn't promised anything that would limit religious
freedom (that I've heard). Some of her followers would like to.... but I
don't think SHE has a target on religious freedom. The biggest question
is... who will she appoint to her cabinet, and the Supreme Court. It would most
likely be those people (not her) who end up limiting religious freedom.I'm not really worried about religious freedom today. I don't feel
threatened. President Obama hasn't done away with religious freedom (and
he had people in his party pressuring him to do more, but he didn't listen
to them). I think Hillary Clinton will do the same.It's pretty
easy to ignore somebody in your base who says they want you to limit somebody
else's religious freedom. Mainstream America (the majority) don't
care about your religion. Minority anti-religion zealots want to limit your
freedom. And it's pretty easy to ignore them and listen to the
majority.Politicians tend to listen to the majority. And the
majority don't want to do away with religious freedom.
First of all, like most career politicians, Hillary didn't write this
piece. She probably didn't even see it. However, it's close enough to
her usual methodology that it can pass muster. Which method is: say whatever it
takes to get elected and don't let the facts get in the way.
While I applaud the effort that it took for candidate Clinton to have one of her
700+ staffers write this op-ed piece, her undoing is her history. Hillary Clinton has a life-long track record of trading her morals, her
promises, her reputation, Arkansas, and even (possibly) her country, for
personal gain: political and financial. Who knows what leverage (blackmail) is
in the hands of the enemies of the USofA, that has been or will be used against
Mrs. Clinton.I have studied the candidates and voted, without fail,
for 4 decades and have never witnessed a more corrupt, untrustworthy,
self-serving Presidential Candidate than Hillary Clinton. She will say anything
and do anything for personal gain. Thus it is impossible to trust any word
from her mouth, be it directly or from a surrogate.
Is this what Hillary Clinton thinks Utahns are--gullible one-issue
("religious freedom") voters? Utahns are a lot more sophisticated than
that. Yes, religious freedom is important. But we also actually care about
protecting our borders through lawful immigration, protecting marriage and
family and the sanctity of life, our economy, growing American jobs, energy
independence, protecting all lives including our police officers, protecting
U.S. classified information, and integrity. She can say whatever she wants--but
she is on the wrong side of all these issues.
This letter hits the nail on the head. But more than that, it speaks to the
sensitivities of Utah voters without pandering, and it's a cogent, coherent
(good grief that should be a given, but Trump has proven otherwise), passionate,
relevant and important statement. Not just for Mormon voters but for those with
the independent sensibilities of the Great American West. From Nevada to
Wyoming, and Idaho to Arizona, we should read this letter, vote for Hillary,
then hold her accountable to it. She's right, it's about
the kind of country we want. I don't want to live in an Orwellian America
of Trump's neurotic, self-serving imagination.
I find it pretty incredible that the Clinton campaign would respond to the
request from the Deseret News. It shows that in this insane election year, they
legitimately have a shot in Utah. Most people in Utah will agree with her
assessment of Trump, the question is will they vote for Clinton rather than
stomaching Trump, staying home, or voting third party.
Now -- We'll watch a the rush of mindless PERSONAL attacks
against Secretary Clinton, without s single rebuttal to ANYTHING she
actually said.There is a term for that, it's called
The record of Islam in Europe is not so good. 50 million Muslims and 80% on
welfare which must be like paradise to them compared to the middle east. Oslo
police say Oslo is lost to the Muslims and not safe to walk there. Sharia law is
required by a good Muslim and we will have that here too. Mrs. Clinton owes to
Saudi Arabia and other Muslim states for the $30 million plus she has received.
Her aide is Muslim and has ties to the Muslim brotherhood. If you are a
Christian or any religious of any religion other than Islam one would fear
@IronyHer comments had absolutely nothing to do with the torture and
mutilation of women. She was advocating more abortions for any reason and
blamed religion for making that more difficult.By the way there are
those who do support what you suggested. You know those who support partial
birth abortion of females. It is not my side who advocates that.
I won't be voting for Clinton in the election (we disagree on too many
issues), but I definitely won't be sending my absentee ballot with Trump
checked off. I respect that she has taken the time to submit this letter to
Utah's voters and it gives me comfort to see that protecting religious
freedom is important to her.
Thank you for running this letter. Ms. Clinton is often portrayed as a monster
of some sort, but in a field that includes trump, there's nothing scary
Ha! Gotta admit, she nailed it.Mrs. Clinton didn't even
quote herself, but quoted MORMON and Republican leaders -- and
without even mentioning the LDS Church's public rebuke of Donald Trump back
on Dec. 8th 2015 with his threats of banning Religious Freedom.You
may not agree with her personally, but seriously, you can not disagree
with her letter.God Bless Hillary Clinton!
The statements in this article by Senator Clinton are effective and I agree with
her. However how does she explain then the following comments she made at the
Women in the World Summit in April 2015:"“Laws have to be
backed up with resources and political will. And deep-seated cultural codes,
religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed"In
other words you can keep your religion as long as your beliefs are in agreement
with political correctness and the government's views on these issues?
"And let's be honest..."Wouldn't that be refreshing?
"Those timeless ideas teach us that we’re stronger together when we
work in unison to solve our problems, no matter what we look like, where we come
from or how we pray."That last one is important. As Americans,
we hold fast to the belief that everyone has the right to worship however he or
she sees fit."Looks like she's got an idea of what angle
this particular audience might be open to hearing.
I'm not sure too many "Utah leaders" want to redefine marriage and
advance the sexual revolution. I also doubt very many are interested in
promoting abortion on demand.
If she has anything in common with Utah's leaders, we need to replace those
Utah leaders with real constitutionalists who are honest, hard-working and