World summit to defend persecuted Christians pulls out of Russia following new religion law

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  • contrariuss mid-state, TN
    Aug. 9, 2016 3:51 p.m.

    @donn--

    "Love your neighbor as yourself.’(Mt 22:37-39)"

    Yup. A lot of religious conservatives manage to forget that one.

  • donn layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2016 12:03 p.m.

    RE: Contrariuss. “What can be more righteous than the cause of equality and loving one's neighbor as oneself? “Answer,

    The greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.
    And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’(Mt 22:37-39)

    E.g…, Pedagogical Use of the law reveals the perfect righteousness of God and our own coming short of it. Through the law is the knowledge of sin (Rom. 3:20; 4:15; 5:13). Our sinful nature uses this knowledge for further rebellion (Rom. 7:7-11) and making us worthy of judgment. Additionally, by revealing to us our need of pardon, the law(above statements) leads us to Christ in repentance and faith (Gal. 3:19-24).

  • contrariuss mid-state, TN
    Aug. 9, 2016 9:17 a.m.

    @donn --

    "Not self-righteousness, But Christ’s righteousness"

    What can be more righteous than the cause of equality and loving one's neighbor as oneself?

    "Those who profess faith in Christ as the Lord, must not dis-respect persons on account of theree outward circumstances and appearances."

    Yet we see tons of that disrespect from religious conservatives every day, including right here in the DN comments pages.

    Hmmmm.

  • donn layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2016 8:24 a.m.

    RE: Contrariuses. So I guess that makes LGBTs blessed, right?

    “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.(Mt:10)

    Not self-righteousness, But Christ’s righteousness imputed to Christians through faith, our sin is imputed to Christ. That is how Christ paid our sin debt to God. He had no sin in Himself, but our sin is imputed to Him so, as He suffers on the cross, He is suffering the just penalty that our sin deserves. “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God….” (Gal 2:20).

    @ hatred and bigotry from religious conservatives these days,

    Those who profess faith in Christ as the Lord, must not dis-respect persons on account of theree outward circumstances and appearances.

    E. g… ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool. (James 2:3 KJV)

  • contrariuss mid-state, TN
    Aug. 8, 2016 1:46 p.m.

    @donn --

    “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven .Matthew 5:10

    So I guess that makes LGBTs blessed, right?

    "But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Matthew 5:44"

    And yet we constantly hear religious conservatives playing the martyr card and insulting LGBTs for imaginary persecutions.

    "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them Matthew 7:20"

    Right. And we're seeing a whole lot of hatred and bigotry from religious conservatives these days.

  • donn layton, UT
    Aug. 8, 2016 12:49 p.m.

    RE: Contrariuses.How are those "Christian saviors" working out for you now, guys?

    “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven .Matthew 5:10

    But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Matthew 5:44

    Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. 1 Peter 4:12-14.VS,

    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them Matthew 7:20

  • contrariuss mid-state, TN
    Aug. 8, 2016 11:25 a.m.

    @Mick --

    "...red reset button."

    You've heard of photo ops, right?

    "Just how ignorant can a Secretary of State be?"

    You're seriously comparing a silly photo op to Trump not even knowing that Putin already invaded Ukraine?? To Trump believing that Federal judges sign bills?

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2016 9:29 p.m.

    Contra-

    It's hard to take anyone who serious who hands the leader of a country a red reset button. Nice plan.

    Just how ignorant can a Secretary of State be? And now she wants to president? Come on, it's really hard to defend her.

    Both of them should have listened to Mitt.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 7, 2016 8:33 p.m.

    @Mick --

    "Hillary is the one who pressed the reset button. Is this what she reset?"

    Please get serious. That was several years before Russia's recent legal changes and the invasion of the Crimea and so on.

    The "reset" failed because of Putin -- but he's still Trump's best buddy.

    Speaking of which -- I cracked up a couple of weeks ago when Trump said "He's not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He's not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want."

    Seriously, just how ignorant can a candidate be and still expect to be taken seriously as a contender for the role of US President?

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2016 2:46 p.m.

    Contra-

    Hillary is the one who pressed the reset button. Is this what she reset?

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    Aug. 7, 2016 11:43 a.m.

    @Kalindra --

    Yup yup yup.

    And this is the guy that Trump loves so much.

    Hmmmm.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2016 8:28 a.m.

    @ Contrariouses: History - recent history - has taught us that those who limit the freedoms of one group will not hesitate to limit the freedoms of other groups. The limiting starts with the most unpopular group, as this makes an easy target and there is little resistance. The limiting then moves up the ladder to groups that are more popular.

    The longer those with power stay silent about the limiting of rights, the harder it is for them to justify eventually speaking out about the limiting of rights.

    Putin started with the unpopular LGBT community and moved up the ladder to Evangelicals. Putin uses the same justifications for the limiting. Evangelicals are now in the position of having to explain why they supported the limiting when applied to others and oppose it when applied to them. And they have to do this using Christian principles and without being hypocritical.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Aug. 7, 2016 8:12 a.m.

    Mr. Putin is said to be a devout Russian Orthodox member> If so maybe the church there is uncomfortable with competition.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 7, 2016 7:50 a.m.

    "Look at Putin . . . whether you like him or don't like him -- he's doing a great job in rebuilding the image of Russia and also rebuilding Russia period," - Donald Trump

    "I respect Putin and Russians" - Donald Trump

    "I was in Russia, I was in Moscow recently and I spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin, who could not have been nicer." - Donald Trump 2014

    Isn't it interesting that Donald Trump is the favorite Presidential candidate of Christian Evangelicals? But Trump's friend and fellow plutocrat, Putin, no longer allows evangelizing in his nation.

    But now, Trump seems to have temporarily disowned his friend, and in so doing he magically transformed history. His friendliness with Putin NEVER happened.

    "I have nothing to do with Putin," he said. "I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will respect me." - Donald Trump 2016

    I'm looking forward to seeing how much history according to Trump will change in the future.

    In the meantime, faithful Trump-supporting evangelicals must be focused exclusively on their FAITH in Donald Trump, because they certainly are not letting observable reality influence their opinions.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 7, 2016 7:03 a.m.

    I hope that the people and churches of Russia, the United States, and all other nations will resist every effort to restrict their rights of religious freedom, and that the Islamic State will fail in its intolerant aspects so far as the free worship of God is concerned by all believers in Him, are concerned, that Moslem nations will establish or maintain this within their jurisdictions . I hope that the communistic nations will also permit the free worship of God and the Western nations will not deteriorate or continue to deteriorate into godless nations.

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    Aug. 6, 2016 5:20 p.m.

    Larry Jacobs is Vice-President Howard Center for Religion, Family, and Society, and a leader of the World Congress of Families. He had great praise for Russia when that country passed its anti-LGBT "propaganda" laws a couple of years ago -- he said it was a "great idea", and even said that the Russians may be the "Christian saviors to the world."

    Many other religious conservatives agreed with Jacobs's sentiments -- including commenters right here in the DN News section.

    How are those "Christian saviors" working out for you now, guys?