This article tries to paint the Navajo Tribe as a bunch of rubes that sold out
to the environmental lobby. The tribe leveraged big money and
environmentalists to get what they wanted. That should be called smart
politics. The article talks all about the money spent by the pro-Bear Ears
coalition but does not mention the money spent by the anti-Bear Ears coalition.
Very one-sided and biased reporting by Amy Joi O'Donoghue here.
It comes across as disingenuous to me to invoke the sacred nature of the land to
keep the land accessible to private interests for resource extraction.
Nothing like designating a monument to attract a horde and ruin a place that
used to be enjoyed only by those who took the time and effort to know about it.
Bring on the adrenalin rush sports junkies and trophy experience collectors.
This sudden panic to do something to "save" the Bears Ears seems too
much like a solution without a problem. How did we survive all this time without
the land becoming a national park? As far as "sacred lands" it's
such a convenient comment to make whenever someone wishes to do something with
land that they may own or lease from the BLM. Normally, I'm not at all
cynical but the person identifying as a tribe member is correct, all land is
considered sacred to a tribe member. Why is the land sacred? Because our fathers
are buried on it. Well so are mine. Why do I have a hard time shaking the notion
that a cash payment negates the sacredness? We know when the American Indians
came across the land bridge from Asia, who did those folks take the land from?
and was the land also sacred to those folks? We haven't the money to
properly operate the existing national parks, they are all underfunded and in
decline, how is yet anouther national park going to solve the problems of
Can anyone point to a policy involving the Indians that doesn't benefit
other interests? Let's look at Indian Casino's, do the Indians own the
casinos, NO, the same old gambling cooperations own almost all of the buildings
and operations, they pay the tribe a % of the profits. Are most casino employees
Indians, Also NO, they are generally matching the racial makeup of the area.
What about oil drilling in places like Uinta County? The Indians are given
royalties, they don't pay for the exploration, drilling or extraction of
oil, neither are a higher proportionate part of the jobs going to Indians. Sadly
the local tribes are being jobbed by other interests.
All you need to know about the environmentalist movement you can learn from
watching the "No Pressure" ad the radical environmentalist group 1010
put out. They say that there is no pressure to be environmentally friendly...
and then blow up anyone who does not agree. That ad was designed to
persuade people to accept global warming... or they want you dead. To some
environmentalists credit, they realized that the message "join us or we kill
you" maybe wasn't the best idea. But the vast majority of commentators
I saw all thought it was hilarious and had no issues at all threatening bodily
injury and death to people they disagreed with.
Designation of Bears Ears is a bad idea. One simply has to look at the outcome
of the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument and the economic impact it
has had on the town of Escalante and the surrounding communities. It is 1.9
million acres, a relatively small percentage of which is regularly visited or
even readily accessible by the average tourist. Certainly there are several
beautiful canyons, slot canyons and vistas to see but the average tourist does
not go there. Few are interested in navigating the washboard hole-in-the-rock
road with their cars. Hence, the town of Escalante is becoming a ghost town with
boarded up homes, empty businesses and a high school with a declining
enrollment. The truth is the land was set aside by Clinton less to protect a
natural area and more to appease the extreme environmentalists that wanted to
lock up some of the richest seams of high grade clean coal in the U.S.
President Obama wants to do the same thing; leaving himself with an
environmental legacy. I support Representative Bishop's public lands
initiative. It is a balanced measure providing for preservation along with
multiple use options in the area.
@DanforthYou and Indians may have attended your local meetings but people
from the Wasatch front were told they would not be allowed as they were only
soliciting local views. They gave no opportunity for other Utahans who have
been visiting these lands for years a chance to directly offer their opinions.
The first chance we got was in Sec. Jewell's meeting in Bluff. Like I
said, it really is a mute point if Bishop and Chaffetz do their job and get a
bill thru Congress. Obama was forthright with them several years ago. Their
strategy to include many other areas and issues into the process slowed it down
and it appears they've run out of time. They failed you, me and other
Utahans that were open to other options than a Monument.
BClarke I so wish you were the president of the United States. You have my
vote. Hek I might write you in this year and avoid my other two choices. I
thank you for your common sense approach to a very complicated issue. I love
your comment that others come and see this beautiful, pristine land and now want
to change the system that has worked protecting it for the last 100 years.
Everyone loves the land and wants to protect it, but a monument is not the
It could be much smaller that what is proposed. There could also be much harsher
laws for those who steal or damage.Utah residents should be the only ones
voting on this.
Wait, if this is a "Native American led effort", then explain to me why
two Navajo women from San Juan County were barred by the Bears Ears Coalition
from attending this public press conference?
Spangs, tourism is a fickle mistress. It's a great icing on your economic
cake, but you can't live on icing. In San Juan County, the cake is AWOL.
Besides, nothing exacerbates the wealth gap between rich and poor like tourism.
Cavetroll, the opposition to the monument has bake sales and t-shirt sales to
raise operating funds, has no paid staff, travels at individual expense, and
does their own social media. FT, I have attended several PLI meetings
hosted by the above mentioned congress persons. Indian leaders and tribal
members attended and were welcome participants at each, including Sentator
Lee's meeting in Blanding. Proponents of the monument were also invited,
but declined to participate, perhaps sensing that their views would not be
popular and that this meeting couldn't be controlled. The Bluff meeting
was the only meeting I have attended about this in which an attempt was made to
manipulate the outcome.
Old ManI am not calling for the designation, not saying we should set
aside all the land. If I were, your request would be valid. You want me to act
on your belief, not mine. But you will not act on your belief, waiting instead
for me to act on yours.We cannot undo history, though liberals are
always trying to rewrite it, but we can try and make recompense when required.
If you feel our use of the land is such an injustice, give yours back; I do not
feel our use of the land has been an injustice, and therefor see no cause to
give it back.
I don't know if any congressmen are getting campaign money for opposing a
monument. I don't know if there is oil, coal, or anything else out there
to develop. I do know that the opposition group has to sell T-shirts to raise
money, does all their own social media, and makes their own arrangements.
Further, I do know from the people getting on and off the bus told our people
personally that they were being paid to be there, there expenses were covered,
and our people heard the directions they were given about what to say, and what
not to say. Most of them knew nothing about Bear's Ears. That much was
clear from the friendly conversations our people had with bus riders at the
Bluff meeting and from hearing what the community organizers told the bus
riders. question:Two or three meetings/gatherings of supporters only were held
out on Bear's Ears. High Federal Government officials were
"sneaked" in to join those meetings. Who obtained the land use permit
for gatherings of more than 25 people, for each of those gatherings? Ask the
BLM office in Monticello. Find outwho's really running this.
Forget Bears Ears. Lets focus national monuments instead on Martha's
Vinyard, Camp David, New York City Central Park, Dana Point California... and
I'm just getting started.Oh, and to fully protect these
sensitive area's, we must stop the locals from visiting, using, and
polluting them. Then I can live in Utah and feel comfortable that these
area's will remain in their pristine condition for my once in a life time
visit, if I make it.The big government land grab use seems to be a
way for the ultra wealthy to create area's that one day will be deemed as
King's Forests". Off limits to everyone else. It is a shame that I am
using a HP computer to type this right now. Perhaps it is past time to change my
bclarke, I'am pro monument, but I thank you for your measured and
reasonable response, this has been lacking on both sides (myself included).
What I find most comical about this article and the comments is that monument
opponents are pretending that big money isn't also on their side. You can
bet that land and energy developers are pouring resources to prevent the
monument. Almost certainly Bishop and Chaffetz are receiving large
Lost asks: Old Man, To Native Americans, ALL the land is sacred. When are you
giving back your place in Ogden to the Ute tribes?I will at the same
time you return your land.That's a pretty silly argument,
y'know. We can't undo history. But we can try to make sure the
mistakes and abuses of history are not repeated.
Clarifying: I don't want to imply that some tribal leaders support a
monument solely because environmental groups want them to; not at all. Very
sincere people who support the Monument doso because they feel it is right. I
fully understand the goodwill and sense of inclusion that would be created by a
federal-tribal partnership. I did not mean to offend and I should have chosen
my words more carefully on that subject. I, too, have a sincere concern for the
land. This issue has quickly made land management in our area a binary path;
either I support a fictional utopian monument, or, an exploited oil field--at
least this seems to be the reduction of the views each "side" has for
the other. I believe it should not be that way; land management and land
protection are not mutually exclusive. If you fully support the
monument--wonderful. But, as someone who uses the land properly, AND who thinks
it should be protected, I would only ask for a moment of reflection and some
study as to why a local like me would question the position that a large
National Monument is the only/best solution for this land.
Old ManTo Native Americans, ALL the land is sacred. When are you giving
back your place in Ogden to the Ute tribes?Jeremiah SHamilton,
OhioYou are a citizen of Utah? or Ohio? The land has been there for
millenia, has not been pillaged, polluted, or destroyed. How do you KNOW it will
be without the designation?PlatypusPreserving it for ALL
Americans? How many will actually see it, or even care? I guess the people who
try to make a living down there and whose livelihoods will be hurt are not
people?SpangsDo you support this proposal strongly enough to
cede your land over to the tribes? You say designation will bring tourism
– if the area is so wonderful, and I am not saying it is not, why is the
tourism and recreation not there already? You know what we don’t need? The
hysterics of environmentalists who claim the sky is falling because someone uses
land other than how they would use it.How much do you plan on
renting out the cabins you will put in if the designation is made?
To put things in perspective, since there is precious little to go around:The proposed size of the Bears Ears monument is approximately 1.9
million acres. This makes it about 20% larger than the state of Delaware, about
twice as large as Long Island or about half the size of the Big Island of
Hawaii. Much like when Grand Staircase-Escalante was named a national monument,
it is being chosen not so much for the beauty and cultural value it contains,
but because Utah is considered big, empty, and politically powerless.
Land grab advocates concerns would be a mute point if they passed their PLI bill
with the few days left in Congress. They've had years to address the
issue but it became apparent their strategy was to run out the clock or get a
terrible bill thru Congress. How else can you explain that Bishop and Chaffetz
did not have one public meeting along the Wasatch Front. In fact all the
meetings they had in rural Utah were closed to anyone living outside the county.
The one open, public meeting that did draw thousands of supporters was the one
initiated by Secretary Jewell and the Obama administration. Everyone was free
to come and express their opinion. The fact is Indians and the majority of
Utahans have gotten an audience with Obama and his administration but not
Representatives chaffetz and Bishop. Mr. Bishop and Mr. Chaffetz you failed all
Utahans and the result of it will be another National Monument.
Vanceone, Hyperbole appears to be one of your strong suits. Please forgive
my skepticism about some guy in Provo deeply caring about the economic vitality
of people he's never met, in a place he's never been. What it WILL bring is economic activity of a different kind: tourism and
recreation. This kind of economic activity is perpetual. The well never runs dry
and the fields are never fallow. Sure, it does change the character of the area
and that is something we will have to deal with.You know what we
DONT need? The hysterics of a chicken-little claiming that folks who care for
our land support "genocide" and "would always sacrifice hundreds of
human lives for the life of a fish." These comments are as implausible as
they are inflammatory. Hey, I love fish! On my plate with some tartar sauce. But
if I wouldn't trade my grandmother for a plate of fried cod, Vanceone, does
that mean I'm not a true environmentalist?
I own a rather large tract of land between Bluff and Blanding. This land
actually appears WITHIN the monument on several maps! You would think I would
not support this initiative because I can put a gas well on my land. Well,
you'd be wrong. This local wholeheartedly supports of the Bears
Ears Monument. Its too bad that my voice gets drowned out by my county
commissioners who's only goal is to fight the feds on any random issue.
Did you see that map of the proposed areas? It's enormous. Probably bigger
than Massachuessetts. It would gut the economy, such as it is, of southwestern
Utah.But of course, that's the goal. I've noticed that
environmentalists main goal is to hurt humans, and preferably rural humans. The
slightly more radical environmentalists are fully on board with genocide; and
actively want to bring human population levels down to like 100 million or
so--in other words, kill like 19 out of every 20 people on earth. So
they really, really prefer to see people out of work, starving and forced to
move. The more the merrier, as long as it is not them. Any real
environmentalist would always sacrifice hundreds of people's lives to save
the live of a fish.
Sounds like, in the case of Leonardo and these other groups, that if they spread
enough of their one time bribes to the Indians, that they will "buy the
votes" so to speak. We don't need another national monument in Utah,
unless Congress creates it. I like what Bishop is trying to do.
Enviros rarely have the best interests of the people at heart. Their interest
lies in regulating people's lives to comport to their value system. Beware
the malevolent do-gooder.
samhill said: It is amazingly hilarious to see a group meeting in San Francisco
(of course) and funded by foundations from both Hewlett and Packard (the
famously successful bay area technologists) and the Leonardo DiCaprio
Foundation.And the benefit they are receiving by donating this money
is? Preserving it for ALL Americans. Horrible People.On the other
hand those against protecting it are funded by? Oil, Gas, Uranium folks, who
benefits there? NOT all Americans, in fact some of those corps may not
even be American Companies.The difference is plain to see, Bishop
and merry group of land snatchers receive Huge "Donations" from private
entities with self serving interests, and they convince a few locals that Boom
and Bust is great for small communities...it's Not.
It is amazingly hilarious to see a group meeting in San Francisco (of course)
and funded by foundations from both Hewlett and Packard (the famously successful
bay area technologists) and the Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation (he probably likes
to see the "Bears Ears" area while flying over it in a private jet) try
to claim that, "it is an insult to Native Americans for people to accuse
them [Bears Ears Inter-Tribal Coalition] of being influenced by special interest
groups."Why certainly! How could anyone infer that the millions
of dollars and the pressure exerted by people meeting in San Francisco (of
course) and who fly in for the meeting in private jets could EVER
"influence" Native Americans who know so little about the area of
contention?? Surely, such an inference is ludicrous!Sure.
I am a citizen of Utah. I have a voice, and I believe very firmly that without a
monument designation, this beautiful area will be pillaged by private companies
and left polluted and destroyed. This land does not belong to the State of
Utah--we ceded it away forever when we chose to become a state. It belongs to
all of the American people, and should be protected by the authority of the
President under the Antiquities Act.
"The whole tone of it seems like the tribes are generally being used as
pawns for the environmental groups to get what they really want," Clarke
said. "They are being played. It is somewhat insulting."A
lot of these people have a quasi-religious view that wilderness is sacred so
because of this religious view people are going to be denied their livelihoods.
Sacrifice for religious beliefs is only a virtue if the believer makes the
sacrifice. It becomes oppression when the believer makes someone else
Big business and wealthy developers have hijacked the system everybody else is
required to use. It would certainly seem that every day citizens have no voice
any more in these matters. Big business, developers, and the Republican Party
basically thumb their noses at us little, lowly, private citizens and Native
Americans to whom this land is sacred. Putting issues like this used to be
settled at the ballot box, but those days are long gone because gerrymandering
has stolen elections from the hands of ordinary people.
"It is absolutely, really absurd to say that. It is an insult to say that.
(These groups) serve a good purpose for research and support," she said.Exactly what politicians say about big donors!
Environmentalists have hijacked the system everybody else is required to use.
It would certainly seem that every day citizens have no voice any more in these
matters. Big business, environmentalists and big government basically thumb
their noses at us little, lowly, private citizens. Putting issues like this
used to be settled at the ballot box, but those days are long gone.