My view: What message does Melania's plagiarism send to students?

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  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Aug. 4, 2016 4:55 p.m.

    @conrariusiest

    Since you seem so fixated on my comment, would you care to opine on the gist of the comment rather than your politically tinged interpretation of its intent.

    My comment posits that the SLCC policy defining plagiarism as the use of any seven consecutive words that have been used by someone else Is hopelessly overbroad. Agree or disagree?

    I didn't say that Ms. Trump's speech did or didn't plagerize Ms. Obama's speech (it did)...and my only references to Ms. Obama's speech was in reference to SLCC's seven consecutive word policy, which was, by the way the subject of the article.

    In the midst of the current election I suspect it's easy to read political undertones in just about any comment, even those where none were intended. Lighten up, not everyone is trying to pick a fight.

  • Contrariusiest mid-state, TN
    Aug. 2, 2016 11:26 a.m.

    @let's roll --

    "My comment had nothing to do with politics or Ms. Trump."

    Suuuuuuure. And you just "happened" to reference Michelle's speech **three times**. Because your comment did NOT have anything to do with -- you know -- Michelle's speech.

    Uh-huh.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 9:58 a.m.

    @Contrarius

    My comment had nothing to do with politics or Ms. Trump. It was a comment on the SLCC policy defining plagiarism. My point is that if the seven consecutive word policy is hopelessly overbroad. Ms. Trump isn't subject to that policy but SLCC students are...which seems unfortunate.

    Apology accepted.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 11:05 a.m.

    @GaryO,
    RE: "Why would she have always been proud of America anyway? She was born and raised in Slovenia. And Slovenia is a Russian ally"...
    ---

    Open your mind a little. I know lots of people outside the United States that love the USA.

    I served a Mission in Japan, and met tons of people who loved the USA. Some old-timers even said they respected the United States during the war (though we were their enemy).

    Many Russians like the USA. Many move here!

    It's the Russian Government that has issues with the United States (not the people). I hope you realize this.

    This is going to sound political, but I think it's relevant to this point GaryO is trying to make (that you can't love USA if you don't live in USA)...

    Russian approval of USA leadership is currently at an all time low (1%).
    And Russian disapproval of USA is at all time high.

    Don't believe me...
    Google "Russians' Approval of U.S. Leadership Drops to Record 1%" - (Gallup)

    Look at the approve/disprove graph over time.

    1% like us now. 33% liked us in 2008 (Pre-Obama/Clinton reboot)

  • contrariuss mid-state, TN
    Aug. 1, 2016 10:22 a.m.

    @2 bits --

    "Donald isn't being accused of plagiarism."

    Except that it was Donald's employee -- not even an employee of his campaign, but his own personal employee.

    "Melania is not running for office."

    Neither is Michelle. That hasn't stopped Repubs from attacking her for years now.

    "You call for Donald to resign because his wife said something."

    Nah. That plagiarism is one of the smallest of the sins from Donald's campaign. It's just indicative of his organization's mindset.

    "This is the media attacking a candidate's wife."

    Not really. Personally, I pretty much give Melania herself a pass on it. After all, as someone else pointed out, she isn't even a native English speaker -- and she wasn't the major writer of the speech.

    The biggest scandal here wasn't the plagiarism itself, but rather the ridiculous response of Donald and his campaign.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 9:28 a.m.

    @ECR and Contrarius

    RE: "And what was the result of Biden's admitted plagiarism? He dropped out of the race. So... con we get some consideration for Trump to drop out of this race? Please Please Please?"...
    ---

    Donald isn't being accused of plagiarism. Melania is. Quit begging for him to drop out for something a relative said.

    Melania is not running for office. She's not a politician. She is a wife and mother. Not a politician or a professional speaker.

    Joe Biden's campaign was ended partially by things in HIS speeches (not a relative's speeches). HIS plagiarism (not a relative's).

    Barack Obama was accused of plagiarizing from his long-time friend Deval Patrick... did you insist he end his campaign?

    You call for Donald to resign because his wife said something.

    If it were Donald's speech... it may be different.

    Should Obama resign over things his wife has said? She's had some speaking gaffs during his campaign too.

    And remember it was Obama who told the media to back-off on attacking candidates wife and children.

    This is the media attacking a candidate's wife.

    According to Obama... that's kinda off-limits.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 1, 2016 8:06 a.m.

    Lost in DC said "funny that the liberals are all over trump's wife, but they choose to ignore the fact joey biden did it back in 92."

    And what was the result of Biden's admitted plagiarism? He dropped out of the race. So... con we get some consideration for Trump to drop out of this race? Please Please Please?

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    July 31, 2016 9:39 a.m.

    As it's all happening in real time and at a frenetic pace, the outrages of the Trump "campaign" can't be fully appreciated. In years to come we will look back at this particular episode as one of the strangest things that has ever happened in American politics. "His wife's speech was ripped off and from his biggest enemies wife!"

    Those who try to write this off as "innocent mistake" and "nothing to see here," have absolutely nothing else to utter unless it's to put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and chant "Benghazi" until it goes away. I'm told that this is a response that a lot of children give when they are called on the carpet for cheating. Sometimes their parents back them up on that.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 30, 2016 8:54 p.m.

    @2 bits --

    "Also remember-- Melania Trump isn't running for any office."

    Oh, absolutely true. I'm just pointing out three things:

    1. Plagiarism was taken very seriously in previous elections.
    2. Biden owned up to his failings, while Trump's campaign concocted laughable obfuscations for days.
    3. The speechwriter who eventually fessed up to the plagiarism is an employee of The Donald, who certainly *is* running for office.

    Oh, and #4: Biden didn't plagiarize from a political opponent whom he had spent years ridiculing and insulting; Trump's campaign did.

    "Are we going to start holding candidates responsible for the sins of their spouses?"

    The speechwriter who eventually fessed up was -- and still is -- an employee of The Donald.

    "Family of candidates are offlimits"

    Michelle has never been off-limits to the myriad conservatives who have spent years insulting her.

    Double standard, much?

    @a Thompson --

    "In 2008, Michelle Obama said: "

    Yet again -- watch the video with the split screens for yourself. Melania stole a LOT more than those few phrases.

    @let's roll --

    "That said, the idea that using those seven words together is plagiarism"

    Stop trying to rewrite history. It was a LOT more than seven words. Watch the video.

  • Mr. Bean Provo, UT
    July 30, 2016 8:40 p.m.

    What's so wrong with plagiarizing?

    "Although plagiarism is not a criminal or civil offense, plagiarism is illegal [only] if it infringes an author's intellectual property rights, including copyright or trademark."

    So that I don't get accused of plagiarizing, here's the author of the above quote - Stephanie Morrow, College Professor

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    July 30, 2016 7:50 p.m.

    2Bits..... I don't think anyone is belittling Ms. Trump.... well at least that is my interpretation of events. What makes this scenario so unique is Ms. Trump is quoted as admiring Ms. Obama.... and it seems so much to the point that she used Ms. Obama's words to relate her own feelings. Normally this would not be such a big deal, but that she was doing so in front of an audience that considers the Obama's as the second coming of ISIS.

    The funny thing is as rude, crude, and low ball at Mr. Trump can be..... he is also honest enough to give credit where he thinks it is due. Just today he complimented Hillary for her speech, saying it was well done. And we know if he didn't like it, we would have all known about it.

    The problem isn't so much the Trumps.... they are who they are...... it is the odd dance of the religious right and neoconservatives embracing people who until this year were everything they were against.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 30, 2016 4:48 p.m.

    @Contrarius,
    RE: "Also remember -- revelations about Biden's plagiarism ended his campaign"...
    ---

    Also remember-- Melania Trump isn't running for any office.

    Are we going to start holding candidates responsible for the sins of their spouses?
    Hillary Clinton would come on the bad-end of that one.

    And like candidate Barack Obama said... Family of candidates are offlimits (speaking in defense of his kids and Sarah Palin's kids, who were being attacked by politicos in the media back then).

    Obama said...
    "back off these kinds of stories"...

    Whole quote from CNN dot com:
    "Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

    Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.

    "How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits:...

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    July 30, 2016 4:04 p.m.

    The memory of those who are outraged at Mrs. Trump must be as short as Michelle Obama's memory. Mrs. Trump was not the first person to plagiarize those words.

    In 2008, Michelle Obama said: "that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you're going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don't know them, and even if you don't agree with them."

    In 1989, Stephen R. Covey wrote: "work hard for what you want in life. Number two, treat your word as your bond and always do what you say you’re going to do. And number three, respect everyone and treat them with dignity even if you don’t know them or agree with them."

    I learned math fifty years ago, but doesn't 1989 come before 2008?

    Did Michelle Obama cite Dr. Covey when she used his words?

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 30, 2016 2:50 p.m.

    @lost --

    "funny that the liberals are all over trump's wife, but they choose to ignore the fact joey biden did it back in 92"

    Not ignoring anything. It was a stupid thing to do.

    But here's the thing: Biden owned up to it, **and** he had specifically cited Kinnock (the source of the plagiarized speech material) as the source for his words on previous occasions. He didn't spend days making up stories about My Little Pony and similar nonsense.

    Also remember -- revelations about Biden's plagiarism ended his campaign.

    Hmmmmm.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    July 30, 2016 2:27 p.m.

    To answer the author's question, apparently the message to SLCC students is that you can't include in any written submission at the school the phrase--to treat people with dignity and respect--without a citation to Ms. Obam's speech or you have violated the school's policy on plagiarism.

    That said, the idea that using those seven words together is plagiarism doesn't seem to be an example of a way to treat people with dignity and respect.

    I suspect everyone who read the article has both said and written that exact phrase and very few of us have ever heard or read Ms. Obama's speech. I for one plan to continue to encourage others to treat people with dignity and respect without feeling any need to attribute the phrase to Ms. Obama

    I can't imagine SLCC slavishly applies its seven consecutive word policy.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 30, 2016 12:35 p.m.

    funny that the liberals are all over trump's wife, but they choose to ignore the fact joey biden did it back in 92

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 30, 2016 10:33 a.m.

    @Joan Watson --

    "You yourself declared/accused Melania of being a liar."

    Nope, actually, I didn't -- because I didn't give an opinion about whether Melania wrote the speech or not.

    "One does not read in M Richards comments that he wrote as you said he did"

    One does if one actually reads Mike's comment.

    I'll quote him again: "Mrs. Trump did not write that speech. For any liberal or Democrat to tell us differently is to show us that those people who make such statements cannot be trusted"

    In other words, anyone who says that Melania wrote the speech can't be trusted.

    "If you are convinced Melania is a liar, why bother attacking others on their opinions and comments that seem not to your liking?"

    Yet again -- it doesn't matter whether Melania actually wrote it or not. The amusing thing is that, since Melania **said** that she wrote it, Mike has just declared that Melania herself can't be trusted.

    Get it now?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 30, 2016 9:59 a.m.

    Oh for Pete's sake get over this. It's a non issue. Who cars. I really doubt that Mrs. Trump including the same words in a speech that Mrs. Obama spoke is going to damage anyone's edumacation.

    I'll be I can find Mrs. Obama's words in another speech given by someone else over the years.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    July 30, 2016 9:31 a.m.

    There is a lesson to be learned from the plagiarism episode. That lesson was delivered by Donald J. Trump when he told the speech writer, who wrote that speech which was the basis of the speech that Mrs. Trump gave, that everybody makes mistakes. Basically, he used the example of Christ when, in effect, he said, "Go and sin no more" to the speech writer. That's not good enough for those who have their stack of stones which they are throwing at Mrs. Trump. They want blood. There is no desire on their part to forgive or forget.

    Yes, there is a lesson to be learned. We're either teaching children to hate and to despise and to take advantage of mistakes or we're teaching them to forgive and to go on with their lives. Mrs. Trump did not write her speech. She used a speech written for her and adapted it to suit her ability to speak. She said as much when she openly acknowledged that she had had help with the speech. She protected her speech writer instead of throwing stones.

    Go ahead and throw stones if you want.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    July 30, 2016 9:30 a.m.

    Contrariuser - You yourself declared/accused Melania of being a liar. One does not read in M Richards comments that he wrote as you said he did that ' Anyone who said Melania wrote the speech much be a liar.' But then you could not end it there but added to this non existent quote: "In other words, you called Melania a liar, since she herself said that she wrote it."
    If you are convinced Melania is a liar, why bother attacking others on their opinions and comments that seem not to your liking?

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    July 30, 2016 7:57 a.m.

    @Mike Richards --

    "When she said that she used as little help as possible, did that mean that she started with a speech written by a speech writer (just like Obama, like Michelle, like Hillary and every other person in the public eye) and then adapt it to her personal style (just like Ronald Reagan, JFK and FDR)?"

    You're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether she wrote it or not. You claimed that anyone who said Melania wrote the speech must be a liar. In other words, you called Melania a liar, since she herself said that she wrote it.

    So, Mike -- is Melania a liar or not?

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    July 30, 2016 7:01 a.m.

    "My favorite part of Melania's speech is when she said how she had loved America -- how she had ALWAYS loved America and how proud she ALWAYS was of America. Contrast that to what Michelle said in 2008. What a refreshing breeze to have a first lady who is proud of her country....for a change!!"

    @Patriot..... am I to assume by this stance, assuming you have kids our a spouse, that your kids or spouse never did anything that you were not proud of, and yet you still loved them? Is it at all possible that one can love someone or something yet not always proud of what they have done?

    For example, is it possible to love our country and yet not be proud of the treatment of Japanese Americans during World War II? Is it possible to not proud of the fact we sold weapons to Iran, who just held Americans hostage, to fund a covert war in latin America, yet still love America? Can we still love our country (or Family) even when they do things wrong?

    I don't always agree with what my country or family does - but still love them.

  • wrz Provo, UT
    July 29, 2016 9:21 p.m.

    I can only say, "...if it talks like a duck and looks like a duck, it’s a duck."

    I think I've heard/read that before. Plagiarism?

    @The Real Maverick:
    "It's sad the great lengths that repubs are going to in order to defend Trump."

    It's even sadder (actually it's humerus) the great length Dems are willing to go through to defend Hillary.

    @GaryO:
    "She was born and raised in Slovenia. And Slovenia is a Russian ally."

    True. And perhaps in Slovenia they don't make a big to-do out of someone saying something that someone else said earlier.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    July 29, 2016 9:08 p.m.

    Pretax - I'm not sure if you understand the issue. Of course Ms. Obama had folks helping her write her speech just as I'm sure Ms. Trump did. I'm sure both women put their personal touches into those speeches as they developed the speech with the other writers. The issue in question is whether some of the words that Ms Trump spoke were lifted, word for word, regardless of who wrote the speech, and it is obvious they were. The bumbling Trump campaign took more than 36 hours to finally admit the words were, in fact, taken from Ms. Obama's speech, after multiple attempts to cover it up. Such is the nature of the Trump campaign that has no answers to the issues of the day and offer only insults and criticism of others. When Mr. Trump is not insulting others he is doing his imitation of a five year old with his multiple "he did it first" arguments. Our country can't afford and shouldn't want to have such a childish person leading our nation and representing us to the rest of the world.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 29, 2016 5:55 p.m.

    Anybody think that Obama wrote her own speech? Such a silly argument since political speeches come mostly from speech writers. Time to come back to reality.

    The DNC fixed the election, that should be the topic of discussion, don't let the media lead you down their path.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 29, 2016 5:50 p.m.

    Liberals and Democrats find it really easy to find fault even as they try to twist what was said. Mrs. Trump was born in Slovenia. When she said that she used as little help as possible, did that mean that she started with a speech written by a speech writer (just like Obama, like Michelle, like Hillary and every other person in the public eye) and then adapt it to her personal style (just like Ronald Reagan, JFK and FDR)?

    Go ahead, write something in Slovenian. Do it on your own. Show us how liberals and democrats would write a speech in a non-native language and we'll all laugh together at your mistakes. I know, because I've tried to write a "speech" in a non-native language. It got laughs when none were intended.

    How about turning off all the teleprompters and let everyone stand on their own merits? But that wouldn't work for you would it because letting your people use speech writers, effectively using other peoples' words and ideas is just fine with you - isn't it? How many of your people gave proper credit to their speech writers?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 29, 2016 3:47 p.m.

    Hey Patriot -

    "My favorite part of Melania's speech is when she said how she had loved America -- how she had ALWAYS loved America and how proud she ALWAYS was of America"

    Except she didn't they she was "how proud she ALWAYS was of America"

    Referring to her parents, she said this: "Their integrity, compassion and intelligence reflects to this day on me and for my love of family and America."

    So . . . Apparently she loves America now because of her parents' compassion and intelligence.

    Why would she have always been proud of America anyway? She was born and raised in Slovenia. And Slovenia is a Russian ally.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 29, 2016 3:24 p.m.

    Mike Richards said "Mrs. Trump did not write that speech. For any liberal or Democrat to tell us differently is to show us that those people who make such statements cannot be trusted"

    But...Mrs. Trump said to TODAY Show host Matt Lauer, "I read it once over, and that's all because I wrote it with as little help as possible,"

    So...Mike, is Mrs. Trump someone that "cannot be trusted", or is that description strictly for "liberals and Democrats"? And please tell me why that reasoning makes any sense at all.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    July 29, 2016 3:17 p.m.

    @Mike Richards --

    "Mrs. Trump did not write that speech."

    LOL.

    Do you realize you've just called Melania herself a liar? She said, and I quote, that "I wrote it with [as] little help as possible."

    "Did Mrs. Obama credit Stephen R. Covey? Why not?"

    Probably because she didn't plagiarize him nearly word for word.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 29, 2016 3:13 p.m.

    I think you're giving too much credit to the influence someone like Ms. trump might have. Kids are opportunists. If they think they can cheat, some of them will cheat.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 29, 2016 2:56 p.m.

    Mrs. Trump did not write that speech. For any liberal or Democrat to tell us differently is to show us that those people who make such statements cannot be trusted; that they, not the person they accuse are poor examples to students; that the,y not the person they accuse, should be ashamed of twisting facts to suit their political purposes.

    As someone who spent two years in France and Belgium, I would have had no idea whether words I used in my "speeches" were "stolen" from others because, just like Mrs. Trump, when I gave a "speech", I asked people who understood French to assist me by writing my speech for me so that it would be understandable to those who understood French.

    Now, would someone please explain why Michelle Obama's 2008 speech and Stephen R. Covey's "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" are cut from the same cloth? Did Mrs. Obama credit Stephen R. Covey? Why not?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 29, 2016 2:34 p.m.

    My favorite part of Melania's speech is when she said how she had loved America -- how she had ALWAYS loved America and how proud she ALWAYS was of America. Contrast that to what Michelle said in 2008. What a refreshing breeze to have a first lady who is proud of her country....for a change!!

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 29, 2016 12:30 p.m.

    Nan BW said "... but how can we point fingers at Melania Trump and allow Hillary Clinton to lie up one side and down the other"

    Nan - I hope you'll be good enough to provide us with evidence of your assertion. And while you're doing will you be sure to mention the 8 Congressional investigations regarding the Benghazi attack, all of which said she did nothing wrong, or maybe the years long $90M Whitewater investigation that said she did nothing wrong, or how about the accusations of her being involved with, or outright committing the murder of her friend Vince Foster that was debunked immediately and shown to be nothing more than a partisan witch hunt with a cruel and inhumane accusation. I'm sure there are many more instances of folks making claims about Hillary Clinton but the only thing that has been proven about her is the fact that she has spent her entire adult life serving the needs of people who need help in overcoming obstacles that deny them their God-given rights. It will be wonderful to have her leading our country come January.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    July 29, 2016 11:46 a.m.

    I think it is pathetic that honesty has become of so little value, but how can we point fingers at Melania Trump and allow Hillary Clinton to lie up one side and down the other (oops, I don't know who to credit for that expression)? We have many pots calling kettles black (oh, no another quote that belongs to someone else) in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party that we can't count them. However, at least the Republican platform is pro-life, or am I using someone else's statement?

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    July 29, 2016 11:08 a.m.

    .... add to this that her web site has been taken down because it contained false claims about her education, that she held a degree from college - one that she attended for only a year - I feel bad for her. I think the Trumps under estimated how public their lives were about to become, the level of scrutiny it would be under.

    Trump is used to be the boss.... and what he says goes on without being questioned. The problem is that we are not election him to be dictator, but that he will in turn go from being the boss, to having 320 million bosses who will have the right to judge him and his actions. Never before has the Trump family had to work this way.

    I feel sorry for her. She will be picked apart at every opportunity, just as Michelle Obama was, and Hillary was when she was fist lady. I am not sure the Trumps understand how this is very different than being the King of Casinos and Golf courses.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    July 29, 2016 10:26 a.m.

    anti-liar said to Impartial7:

    "...her speech was a fraud." That is unreasonable. The sentiments she expressed are NOT Michelle's exclusive property nor are they unique to her."

    Maybe he was simply referring to the news that she lied in her speech, well part's she didn't steal from the 1st lady anyway.
    Too funny, to watch the party of superior moral's and religion, embrace the opposite and twist and spin and justify to vote for a person who is not republican, or conservative, but a reality TV personality and a talk radio dj.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 29, 2016 10:06 a.m.

    "Melania Trump’s now infamous speech is not only a disgrace for Trump’s campaign, but more egregiously, it’s damaging to our education system . . . "

    Yes, but it's a relatively minor disgrace.

    Look . . . We're talking about the Republican Party here, the Party who did it's best to HARM this nation so that angry citizens would NOT reelect Obama . . . The Party that did its best (or worst) to purposefully obstruct every useful initiative advanced by Obama so that his administration would be regarded as a failure.

    Disgraceful, anti-American behavior was characteristic of GOP politics LONG before Trump declared his candidacy.

    Trump is just the logical consequence of that Republican proclivity.

    Yes, Melania plagiarized. Trump's website falsely claims she is a college graduate. She isn't. She falsely claimed she wrote her speech. She didn't. Trump says he will make America great again. But he couldn't possibly hope to do anything but devastate America.

    The Republican Party IS without doubt the Party of Trump . . . And it has been for decades.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2016 9:54 a.m.

    @Impartial7

    "...her speech was a fraud."

    That is unreasonable. The sentiments she expressed are NOT Michelle's exclusive property nor are they unique to her.

    "...Trump is dangerous for America..."

    Aw, c'mon, let's be honest. Trump is dangerous for the status quo, for businessmen and other entities who currently are cashing in handsomely on things like illegal immigration and TPP.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    July 29, 2016 9:46 a.m.

    It's sad the great lengths that repubs are going to in order to defend Trump.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 29, 2016 9:27 a.m.

    What message does Melania's plagiarism send to students?

    Easy. That it's OK to plagiarize, especially if you're super cool looking.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    July 29, 2016 8:38 a.m.

    Just like Trump University & Melania's "architectural design" degree, her speech was a fraud. Smart Republicans won't let all of Trump's rhetoric distract them from the fact that Trump is dangerous for America & will vote for someone else.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 29, 2016 8:27 a.m.

    SportsFan7 - Based on your comment I can't believe you actually read the article. "One questionable passage includes 23 consecutive, exact words." Do you really think saying those exact words is nothing more than a coincidence? And as the author points out, the most egregious action of the Trump supporters is their defense of this action. "But 93% of it was NOT plagiarized" argued former federal prosecutor Chris Christie. I wonder if he ever used that argument in the courtroom? Or more likely, I wonder if he ever let a defense attorney make such an argument without strongly refuting his assertion?

    Melania Trump originally stated she wrote the speech herself, with little help, but now a Trump organization employee, not an employee of the campaign organization, has taken credit for writing it and Melania is more than happy to let her do so. But isn't this the perfect opportunity for Trump to use his favorite line and tell that employee "You're fired!"? But instead there was no firing. Some people are saying she even got a big bonus for taking the heat. But I'm not saying that, just other people.

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    July 29, 2016 8:22 a.m.

    Sportsfan7..... no one is saying anyone has exclusive rights to ideas.... but they do have the right to be critical when someone uses word for word someone else speech, that is a problem. As the story evolves, it is said that Melania's plagiarism was largely due to her respect for the first lady, admired what she has stood for, and liked what she said. No problems there.

    No, the right thing to do that would should have prevented all this mess is simply to quote the other person. But can you imagine had Melania credited those words to Michelle. That she supported this same vision for our kids? The neocons would have escorted her from the building.

    Pretending this was about just simply similar political ideals, is as you say "not credible or at worst disengenious"... when sections were lifted word for word.

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    July 29, 2016 8:11 a.m.

    @SportsFan7 --

    "The viewpoint provided here is not credible or at worst disengenious."

    Stop trying to excuse the inexcusable. Melania's own speechwriter has now admitted to the plagiarism. Get over it.

    And further, now Melania's own Facebook page has been taken down. Why? Because she was caught lying about her academic achievements. She claimed to have earned a college degree when she actually dropped out after a single year.

    And she dares to make speeches about character and honesty?

  • SC Matt2 Chapin, SC
    July 29, 2016 7:51 a.m.

    Luckily the idiom "the best thing since sliced bread" is only 6 words long, so I can include that idiom without crediting the first person who said it.

    Unfortunately, if I want to say somebody "bit off more than they can chew" I've now run afoul of the 7 word rule, and I had better find the first person who used that phrase (good luck) if I want to use it in a speech.

    But I think this whole issue is pretty silly. It's really hard to be totally original when politicians are pretty much *always* speaking in sound-bites and tired metaphors. It doesn't excuse the plagiarism of course, but somehow I don't think this issue will be what makes a whole lot of people less likely to vote for Trump.

    Trump himself has provided all of the ammunition needed to allow somebody to feel good about not voting for him. My reasons to withhold my vote from him have absolutely nothing to do with Melania's speech. She could have given the best, and most original, political speech EVER and I still wouldn't vote for Trump.

  • SportsFan7 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2016 2:44 a.m.

    The viewpoint provided here is not credible or at worst disengenious. The thought that Michelle Obama has exclusive rights in a political speech to ideas like 'respect for other people' or looking to the 'next or future generations' or 'achievement parameters tied to dreaming big' is ridiculous.