Mormon discrimination diminishing on campuses

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  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 29, 2016 10:51 a.m.

    " Mormon discrimination diminishing on campuses"

    Really?

    Mormons are discriminating less against non-Mormons on Utah campuses?

    Well good. That's progress, isn't it?

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    June 29, 2016 9:24 a.m.

    "According to the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center, from 2005-09 Brigham Young University graduated more students who went on to earn Ph.D.s than all but four U.S. universities."

    Any one of those college presidents--or, for that matter, anyone who has taken a class in Statistics-- could tell you what is wrong with that sentence.

    What matters is not how many get PhD degrees but how that number compares with the number who graduated from that college, say, six years earlier. BYU is not even remotely in 5th place for the number of doctorates earned measured as a percentage of the number of bachelor's degrees that BYU issues. Between 2002 and 2011, US universities awarded 179,366 doctorate degrees in science and engineering. BYU grads received 1688; MIT grads got 1880. But that doesn't mean that a BYU grad is almost as likely as an MIT grad to go on to earn a doctorate--because MIT has only 38% as many students as BYU.

    Doctorates per capita is the only relevant figure. The author implies something which is flatly not true.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    June 27, 2016 11:26 p.m.

    The Mormons constitute a religious minority - one of the many religious minorities that exist in our country. As such, they provide an interesting "test case" for determining how sincere, people are (or aren't) when talking about such concepts as pluralism, tolerance, diversity, inclusiveness, minority rights, etc.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    June 27, 2016 10:30 a.m.

    My only issue with the article is I wish it had named the former missionaries who are college presidents. I am glad that church members are making an inpact outside Utah. I hope people will be willing to not make blanked assumptions about others intelect. However looking down on religious believers as bumb, unthinking bigots is getting more not less common.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 27, 2016 7:34 a.m.

    "I know BYU teaches - evolution,
    but MOST students won't accept it."

    I don't know how any faithful Mormon could when Adam is foundational to the teachings. Adam is not a metaphor to Mormons but a key player in the plan of life. In addition Mormons believe in a literal garden of Eden that now is in northwestern Missouri. Mormon apostles have taught openly that this spot was "the beginning of the human race" (Mark E. Petersen). In addition they are taught.. Before Christ’s Second Coming in glory, Adam and his righteous posterity, which includes Saints of all dispensations, will again assemble in this valley to meet with the Savior.

    Kind of runs counter to what we know actually happened over the last 2 million years.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    June 27, 2016 6:38 a.m.

    @Mad Hatter

    "Perhaps this is why there is not biotech industry in Utah. "

    What about Myriad Genetics, Lumenis, Advanced Clinical Research, ARUP, Nelson Laboratories, and others? We tend to see what we expect to see, but we do have a decent biotech industry--especially near the University of Utah. In fact, I know some of the top management at a few of these companies, and many happen to be LDS. I have many LDS friends who are geneticists and other scientists involved in the life sciences. It's better than you actually think.

    I think what's happening--I hope this is happening--is that we are moving beyond being victims of discrimination to becoming more understanding of differences of beliefs and other aspects of life. We can always find unintended bigotry, if that's what we look for in our daily pursuits. My goal now is to look for commonalities and understanding.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    June 26, 2016 9:06 p.m.

    Unfortunately one of the universities where Mormons regularly feel discrimination is right here in our own backyard.

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    June 26, 2016 7:34 p.m.

    You know, Back in the 80s I went to BYU, then U of U, then UC Berkley, then more recently Duke.... with a few other schools sprinkled in there. Not once did I ever feel discriminated. I can't say I always felt like I fit in.... but that is not discrimination. I was never denied an opportunity, or treated more harshly because I was and am LDS. If anything I was more a round peg in a square hole while at BYU.... but even then it was minor. I refused to wear socks with my Sperry's... it just wouldn't have been proper. And only the testing center minded....

    So I am not sure what discrimination this is about. Sometimes we perceive normal life events and rejections as persecution.... but often it has absolutely nothing to do with ones faith, or much anything else other than there was someone better qualified than you.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 26, 2016 3:14 p.m.

    At is interesting to me is, over 70% of the FBI and other agent's n the Gov. are LDS. I heard aso that a kid in school will lose his faith. might be mind control some where.

  • LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UT
    June 26, 2016 3:02 p.m.

    I know BYU teaches - evolution,
    but MOST students won't accept it.

    THAT might be what others are questioning...

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    June 26, 2016 1:35 p.m.

    I am not sure if it is the schools that are changing, or if it is the kids that are applying to these schools and programs are changing. One thing I know is most schools look for a diverse student body, and LDS members do provide that in spades compared to what they normally see applying - having served missions, married, with kids. Doesn't always work in the positive, but it is not the norm.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2016 7:53 a.m.

    Bigotry is such an intellectually stunted perspective. Which makes it ironic that, while hopefully diminished according to this article, it still exists in academia. But, not too surprising.

    The sad truth is that all of the same human limitations that are so apparent in society at large are more than amply represented within the walls of even the most prestigious college and university.

    In fact, what one often finds is that some of the most degrading examples of bigotry and simple-minded stereotyping are not just found there but actually fostered and promoted there. The targets of the bigotry are most often those people and institutions that are held in the highest esteem outside those walls, such as religion in general, family values, capitalism, etc.

    The most frequent bigotry in academia may differ in form and direction and is often gussied up in some very sophisticated language and reasoning. But, when boiled down to its essence, it turns out to be the same menial-minded, self-justified and self-serving drivel as any other the less rarified forms.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    June 26, 2016 6:19 a.m.

    Unfortunately whenever you try to defend a group of people, by holding up a set of group statistics, you fall into the same trap as the detractors.

    To say that Mormons lack "intellectual imagination" is ridiculous, because like any large group of people some do, and some don't, but the converse is also true, to imply that Mormons are in any way better creates the same dilemma.

    Its best to leave group trends, or statistics, to the sociologists, and judge each person on their individual merits!

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    June 26, 2016 1:16 a.m.

    These advancements do not extend into the biological science, particularly the new biology intersection genetics and chemistry. Perhaps this is why there is not biotech industry in Utah. Continued cultural attitudes dismiss scientific research as a path for young Mormons. They often opt out for engineering or business.

    My graduate program at the university I attended had very few Mormons. I could count them on one hand, and I was involved with both the biological and physical sciences. This was just my experience, and I hope things have changed, but when I attend family reunions as see what my younger relatives study in college, it's not science.