@I.wanttoknow 12:53 a.m. June 16, 2016You might "want to
know" that the land in question does not, and never has, belonged to Utah or
its people (except to the extent of the people's interest in the land
arising out of their being citizens of the United States -- the US being the
real owner of the land).Section 3 Paragraph second of the Utah
Enabling act establishes the ownership of those lands as follows:That the
people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever
disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the
boundaries thereof; ... and that until the title thereto shall have been
extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the
disposition of the United States, ...Utah and its people forever
disclosed (gave up) all right, title and claim or ownership of public land
except to the extent the US gave them a patent of ownership to the land. The
public lands are not "our" land, and never have been. This lawsuit is
nothing more or less than an attempted land grab.
I.wanttoknowManti, UT"When our ancestors came here no one
else thought the land in Utah was worth squat."Apparently the
Utes, Goshote, Shoshone, Paiutes, and Navajo did. It was their land. If anyone
has a claim to government land it is these people, don't you think?Whenever an outsider see land they consider valuable for exploitation,
they find ways to take it. So what is the ulterior motive of these legislators.
They won't tell you, but money is to be made. They sure don't want to
be custodians of the land.
" Bouyed by a legal analysis that shows the state is on sound footing to
mount its fight over control of federal lands . . . " . . . On
"sound footing??"Haha! That's funny . . . They have
found "sound footing" on cloud nine, huh?Utah has NO
legitimate basis for a lawsuit, and a lawsuit will funnel millions of dollars
from Utah taxpayers straight into the pockets of greedy lawyers and their
politician friends.And why stop at millions?I think Utah
should spend BILLIONS on this ridiculous nonsense. Wasting billions of dollars
in a completely futile effort could make an impression in the minds of the
"Conservative" masses who blindly follow the lead of Utah's GOP
politicians.Hey Iwanttoknow -"And now people most of
whom don't even live here believe they have the right to tell us what we
can and can't do with our land."EXACTLY We the
people of the United States will NEVER allow local yokels in Utah to STEAL our
public lands, no matter how delusional they may be about their "right"
to do so.
How much is this charade costing us taxpayers? And what are we getting for
it?The Democrats on the commission, both duly elected members of the
state legislature, aren't even allowed to LOOK at the findings! Is there
any limit at all to Republican arrogance? Apparently not.
I.wanttoknow,I DO live here in Utah, and I can tell you that I
don't want the State of Utah to take control of land currently managed by
the federal government. And I'm glad that out-of-staters appreciate
Utah's natural beauty, and that they are willing to fight to preserve it.
The State of Utah needs to get its priorities straight: Education,
I.wanttoknow said in ignorance of history... "Fighting for our states rights
is worth every penny. When our ancestors came here no one else thought the land
in Utah was worth squat. "Except for those people already living
here, and the spanish/mexican miners who frequented the state.I live
here, as do most of my friends, all of whom actually understand, that these
lands belong to ALL Americans, not just short sighted greedy little men, with
personal gain in mind, trying to steal what was set aside for future
generations. I realize that some conservatives don't wish to
conserve anything, but their wealth, This is sad.When I look at the
East coast and the density with out public lands, I ask Why would western states
and their citizens want to reflect this?
So if it's such a clear path on legal grounds, what's with the public
relations spending? This is a fraud being imposed on the tax paying citizens of
Fighting for our states rights is worth every penny. When our ancestors came
here no one else thought the land in Utah was worth squat. But after all their
and our hard work we have created a place where people from all over want to
come and live. And now people most of whom don't even live here believe
they have the right to tell us what we can and can't do with our land. That
is wrong beyond reason. They don't even listen to the Navajo who live here.
Federal government overreach has to stop now.
I wonder who is to profit from this if it were to go through? I don't think
the State of Utah wants to take over as stewards of wildlands. It appears that
someone is eyeing this land with the idea of developing it. That is the basis of
all land battles in this country have been since the white man first moved West.
bad idea, waste of moneyI generally support republicans because of social
issues, but the crony capitalism and gross insensitivity to everyday Utahns who
are not mining firms or real estate tycoons or billboard owners is offensive:
Utah needs more parks and recreation areas, not less
"Bouyed by a legal analysis that shows the state is on sound footing to
mount its fight over control of federal lands, state lawmakers have instructed
consultants to prepare a draft of a potential lawsuit."You mean
the law firm Legislators found in Louisiana after local law firms turned them
down because the legal grounds are non-existent? Every Legislator that voted to
waste taxpayer dollars on this should be required to put up a personal 100K bond
if they're so sure about this pipe dream. We can't fund education,
Medicaid expansion or clean air, but we can waste millions on this?