Utah's lawsuit over federal lands in crafting stage

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  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 17, 2016 4:59 a.m.

    @I.wanttoknow 12:53 a.m. June 16, 2016

    You might "want to know" that the land in question does not, and never has, belonged to Utah or its people (except to the extent of the people's interest in the land arising out of their being citizens of the United States -- the US being the real owner of the land).

    Section 3 Paragraph second of the Utah Enabling act establishes the ownership of those lands as follows:
    That the people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries thereof; ... and that until the title thereto shall have been extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the disposition of the United States, ...

    Utah and its people forever disclosed (gave up) all right, title and claim or ownership of public land except to the extent the US gave them a patent of ownership to the land. The public lands are not "our" land, and never have been. This lawsuit is nothing more or less than an attempted land grab.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2016 12:45 p.m.

    I.wanttoknow
    Manti, UT

    "When our ancestors came here no one else thought the land in Utah was worth squat."

    Apparently the Utes, Goshote, Shoshone, Paiutes, and Navajo did. It was their land. If anyone has a claim to government land it is these people, don't you think?

    Whenever an outsider see land they consider valuable for exploitation, they find ways to take it. So what is the ulterior motive of these legislators. They won't tell you, but money is to be made. They sure don't want to be custodians of the land.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 16, 2016 12:25 p.m.

    " Bouyed by a legal analysis that shows the state is on sound footing to mount its fight over control of federal lands . . . "

    . . . On "sound footing??"

    Haha! That's funny . . . They have found "sound footing" on cloud nine, huh?

    Utah has NO legitimate basis for a lawsuit, and a lawsuit will funnel millions of dollars from Utah taxpayers straight into the pockets of greedy lawyers and their politician friends.

    And why stop at millions?

    I think Utah should spend BILLIONS on this ridiculous nonsense. Wasting billions of dollars in a completely futile effort could make an impression in the minds of the "Conservative" masses who blindly follow the lead of Utah's GOP politicians.

    Hey Iwanttoknow -

    "And now people most of whom don't even live here believe they have the right to tell us what we can and can't do with our land."

    EXACTLY

    We the people of the United States will NEVER allow local yokels in Utah to STEAL our public lands, no matter how delusional they may be about their "right" to do so.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 16, 2016 8:55 a.m.

    How much is this charade costing us taxpayers? And what are we getting for it?

    The Democrats on the commission, both duly elected members of the state legislature, aren't even allowed to LOOK at the findings! Is there any limit at all to Republican arrogance?

    Apparently not.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    June 16, 2016 8:49 a.m.

    I.wanttoknow,

    I DO live here in Utah, and I can tell you that I don't want the State of Utah to take control of land currently managed by the federal government. And I'm glad that out-of-staters appreciate Utah's natural beauty, and that they are willing to fight to preserve it.

    The State of Utah needs to get its priorities straight: Education, health care........

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    June 16, 2016 8:39 a.m.

    I.wanttoknow said in ignorance of history... "Fighting for our states rights is worth every penny. When our ancestors came here no one else thought the land in Utah was worth squat. "

    Except for those people already living here, and the spanish/mexican miners who frequented the state.

    I live here, as do most of my friends, all of whom actually understand, that these lands belong to ALL Americans, not just short sighted greedy little men, with personal gain in mind, trying to steal what was set aside for future generations.

    I realize that some conservatives don't wish to conserve anything, but their wealth, This is sad.

    When I look at the East coast and the density with out public lands, I ask Why would western states and their citizens want to reflect this?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 16, 2016 8:12 a.m.

    So if it's such a clear path on legal grounds, what's with the public relations spending? This is a fraud being imposed on the tax paying citizens of Utah.

  • I.wanttoknow Manti, UT
    June 16, 2016 12:53 a.m.

    Fighting for our states rights is worth every penny. When our ancestors came here no one else thought the land in Utah was worth squat. But after all their and our hard work we have created a place where people from all over want to come and live. And now people most of whom don't even live here believe they have the right to tell us what we can and can't do with our land. That is wrong beyond reason. They don't even listen to the Navajo who live here. Federal government overreach has to stop now.

  • Nichiro-san Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2016 12:07 a.m.

    I wonder who is to profit from this if it were to go through? I don't think the State of Utah wants to take over as stewards of wildlands. It appears that someone is eyeing this land with the idea of developing it. That is the basis of all land battles in this country have been since the white man first moved West.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2016 11:14 p.m.

    bad idea, waste of money
    I generally support republicans because of social issues, but the crony capitalism and gross insensitivity to everyday Utahns who are not mining firms or real estate tycoons or billboard owners is offensive: Utah needs more parks and recreation areas, not less

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 15, 2016 4:36 p.m.

    "Bouyed by a legal analysis that shows the state is on sound footing to mount its fight over control of federal lands, state lawmakers have instructed consultants to prepare a draft of a potential lawsuit."

    You mean the law firm Legislators found in Louisiana after local law firms turned them down because the legal grounds are non-existent? Every Legislator that voted to waste taxpayer dollars on this should be required to put up a personal 100K bond if they're so sure about this pipe dream. We can't fund education, Medicaid expansion or clean air, but we can waste millions on this?