@ NoNames"Easter has nothing to do with any pagen
holidy."Except for the bunnies, which was the symbol for the
pagan goddess, Eostre. (Wow, that word looks similar to something, doesn't
it?) And the eggs, apparently a custom practiced by many cultures predating
Christianity. (Makes sense: Eggs are a sign of birth/fertility, long parts of
Spring Equinox festivals.) And the resurrection idea, a hand-me-down from
centuries of resurrection myths predating Christianity (e.g., Ishtar, Horus,
Mithras, Dionysus).But other than that, yeah Easter is a completely
unique idea that starts with your god.
"These are simple, indisputable facts"No, they are more of
the same distortions and untruths put forward by believers as they appropriate
the secular and the scientific for political and economic advantage.And that is a fact!
The Atheist: Holiday Prophecies. “God would do nothing without first
revealing it to His servants, His(real) prophets.” From the Old Covenant
to the New, God has a picture of ‘His entire plan for mankind in the
Jewish feasts of Lev 23. (Amos 3:7)The 7 annual feasts of Israel
were spread over 7 months of the Jewish calendar, at set times appointed by God.
But for both Jews and non-Jews who have placed their faith in Jesus, the Jewish
Messiah, these special days demonstrate the work of redemption(From Adams fall)
through God’s Son. The first 4 of the 7 feasts occur during
the springtime (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Festival of Weeks(
shavout), and they all have already been fulfilled by Christ in the N. T. The
final three holidays (Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles) occur
during the fall, all within a short fifteen-day period-.Fulfilled
e.g..,Passover (Lev 23:5) – Pointed to the Messiah(Jesus) as our Passover
lamb (1 Cor 5:7) whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on
the day of preparation for the Passover at the same hour that the lambs were
being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening (John 19:14).
@The Atheist: "Honesty and truth have never been strengths for believers,
who prefer "faith" and tribalism."I never feel compelled
to go out of may way to attack non-believers or even anti-theists. But when they
choose to attack religion with falsehoods, I have to respond.Let's look at honesty, truth, and tribalism.In the history of
religion, a few tens, maybe a few hundreds, of thousands of people have been
tortured or killed for overtly religious reasons. On the flip side, millions
have found comfort in their beliefs that have also lead them to try to live
better lives. Religion--especially in the USA--has lead people to voluntarily
donate their resources to found and operate great universities and other
schools, hospitals, orphanages, soup kitchens, youth programs, marriage
counseling, financial counseling, and all manner of charities.In
contrast, in one short century, atheism and science unrestrained by religious
morality was responsible for the horrors--both here and in Germany--of Eugenics,
~100,000,000 murders by atheistic communists, and countless more tortured or
oppressed, brought down into poverty.These are simple, indisputable
facts, since some love facts.
Jesus is not the literal "son of god" because there is no god.Simple and logical.History thoroughly documents the cultural
appropriations believers have made of "pagan" and secular knowledge,
holidays, and celebrations. Honesty and truth have never been
strengths for believers, who prefer "faith" and tribalism.
@Misty Mountain: "...Christians had a long tradition of co-opting pagan
holidays and celebrating their own on those dates. It's no coincidence that
... the date Easter is celebrated is determined by the spring equinox."Don't complain about others' poor history and then make the
same mistake.Easter has nothing to do with any pagen holidy. The
timing of Easter is near spring equinox because Easter was originally determined
by Passover, the timing of which is determined by the Jewish lunar calendar. The
Last Supper was a Passover Sedar, following which Jesus was taken, tried,
tortured, and executed, arising on the 3rd day which was Sunday.Some
changes in how the early Christian Church determined when the Paschal moon
occured means that today, Easter and Passover are not tied directly together.
But the origins of Easter are well documented and beyond dispute; and the timing
was a Jewish Holy Day, not a pagen holiday.Given the modest number
of regular astrological events (solstices, equinoxes) and the large number of
religions that used lunar calendars, no surprise many different religions
celebrate different events on the same day. Some co-opting. But just some
DesNews, 2017: "Update: This article has been updated to reflect this
year's dates for these holidays."Why not use this
opportunity to correct the inaccurate definition of the winter solstice, as
pointed out in several of the 2015 comments on the original posting of this
story, as well as the mischaracterization of the solstice as a pagan
appropriation of the Christian holiday, rather than the reverse?DesNews, repeatedly: "...according to Interfaith Calendar"Although attribution is given, the article seems to be largely a cut-and-paste
job. This does not excuse the reporter's propagation of errors in the
source material. A little due diligence is in order.
@Ranch Hand. Christ in the Feast of Hanukkah. Now it was the Feast of
Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in
Solomon's porch" John 10:22-3)The Jews of Jesus' day
were well aware of the events that had led to the Feast of Dedication when they
approached Him in the holy Temple on Hanukkah. It was in the context of that
recent history that they said to Jesus, "If you are the Christ, tell us
plainly" (John 10:24). If Jesus really was the Messiah they
reasoned, He had the power to preserve the Jewish people from the tyranny of the
Romans, just as God had preserved them from evil Antiochus. Jesus answered them
with a rebuke, "I told you, and you do not believe" (v.25). Jesus boldly asserted His Messiahship. He claimed divine power to preserve and
sustain His people, but not in the manner they had hoped for and expected.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give
them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them
out of My hand" (v.27-8). Jews for Jesus
Thank you for tightening up the wording on the solstice. Much appreciated!And @Wally West, @bigv56... I'm right there with you. Gotta'
air those grievances before you undertake the feats of strength.
What about Kwanzaa? DesNews used to run articles on it. Seems to have died off
as quickly as it was born. Kinda like Festivus.
Whhat about Festivus on the 23rd? Is the holiday for the rest of us. Air your
The winter solstice has nothing to do with the distance from the sun, but the
tilt of the earth's axis. In the Northern hemisphere the day of the winter
solstice has the shortest daylight and in the Southern hemisphere it has the
longest daylight. In fact the earth is furthest from the sun in early July, and
closest to the sun in early January. And, the date for Christmas was established
by 3rd century Christians around the date of the two Roman celebrations of Sol
Invictus and Saturnalia.
What about a Festivus for the rest of us?
per RanchHand & ContrariusAgree. Saturnalia came before Xmas.
But, is it okay now to say Happy Holidays??? ROFL.
The winter solstice has been noted (and celebrated) for thousands of years. In
South America, the holiday commemorated Inti, the god of the sun, and took place
around June 21, the shortest daylight-hour day of the year. By the early
1400's--long before anybody in South America ever heard of
Christianity--the holiday celebration of Inti Raymi had morphed into a
full-fledged nine day festival, complete with the slaughtering of a llama and
yanking out its still-beating heart. As Ranch notes, the Christians
had a long tradition of co-opting pagan holidays and celebrating their own on
those dates. It's no coincidence that Christmas falls about the same time
as the winter solstice and that the date Easter is celebrated is determined by
the spring equinox. In Mexico, this co-opting became literal--the Mexico City,
the early Christian settlers knocked down some Aztec pyramids and built their
cathedral on top of the rubble of the pyramid foundation.
@RanchHand --"Dec. 21: Solstice — Wicca/Pagan"...It was originally a Christian celebration to honor Jesus."--- Seriously? SERIOUSLY???"My thoughts exactly. What a
ridiculous rewrite of history!
Kudos to @Mike Johnson for clarifying the proper meaning of the solstice, in
contrast to what was stated in the article.And Kudos to @RanchHand
for calling out the article's odd mis-statement about how the solstice was
"originally" a Christian holiday. Quite the contrary! Really odd, that
wording.I would like to thank the DesNews staff for this listing of
December holidays... reminds us all that there is much to celebrate, across a
broad spectrum of religious beliefs and traditions. Happy holidays!
Happy Holidays Everyone!
Dec. 21: Solstice — Wicca/Pagan"...It was originally a Christian
celebration to honor Jesus."--- Seriously? SERIOUSLY???It was the other way around. Christians co-opted pagan holidays and
re-purposed them.The call-to-arms about a "war on Christmas"
nonsense when someone wishes "Happy Holidays" is just that, nonsense.
These holidays are just one example of why we shouldn't be upset at the
This was an interesting list to see. Thank you!
>>>Solstice is the point in the year when the earth is farthest away
from the sun.No, the solstice is not the point in the year when the
earth is farthest from the sun (the Earth's aphelion). In 2015, that was
July 4. In 2016, it will be July 2. The point closest to the sun (perihelion)
will be January 2, 2016. Most days of the year, the Earth is further from the
sun than it is on the winter solstice.The solstice comes from the
tilt of the Earth, which is 23 degrees from being perpendicular to the plane
defined by the Earth's orbit about the sun. If that tilt had been 0
degrees, there would be no seasons. During the summer, the north pole points
toward the sun (and the south pole away). During the winter the south pole
points toward the sun and the north pole away from the sun. The equinoxes, in
March and September, there is the same amount of daylight as there is night. The
solstices are the extremes--in the northern hemisphere, the winter solstice is
the day when there is the least amount of daylight and the most hours of