@FitzI believe one old man hit the nail on the head. It is just
like that and pretty simple.Also Fitz, I think it is great you
attended a hunters safety class. The classes are great and very informative.
However, to make and be sure of your target is very important. I don't
ever remember them in the class talking about being sure of your target when the
deer, bear, elk, duck, etc. has been reported to have a weapon.Again, for the last time, and somebody has already said it here. This officer
has a report of someone having a weapon/gun. When he rolls up on scene, he has
to assume that the reported suspect has a weapon until and here is the key. The
suspect complies to his commands and cooperates so he can make sure that he, the
suspect and the community are not in any danger. If the suspect allows him to
do this. Again, everyone goes home safely. Well accept for the suspect since
he had warrants for his arrest in this case.Why is that so difficult
for everyone to understand. I think its simple.
Perhaps the Unified Police need some military training such as: move to lower
your profile and not give your assailant a stationary target. That also gives
them additional time to assure they are truly facing an armed suspect.The
training provided is not detailed in this report and it is perhaps best to keep
it undisclosed. Still, it needs evaluation for effectiveness. As always,
there are many victims in this scenario.
Fitz and Vidar express very well the position being taken now by many of their
fellow conservatives. Then they try to claim it's liberals who are tearing
down the police.One simple fact -- police, like soldiers, are taught
to shoot to kill when it's necessary.When you are approached by
police, comply. And keep your hands in plain sight.What's so
hard to understand?Unless, of course, you are one who buys into
conspiracy theories about how Obama is using local police to forward his
when i was a kid, decades ago, we went to a hunter's safety class. one of
the main issues that was reiterated many times is that make sure of your target.
this cop failed to make sure of his target. he said he was 100%
sure that the kid had a gun. the fact is that he was 100% wrong. the kid did
not have a gun.cops must, not should, but must, make sure the
subject really has a real gun and cops must make firing their weapon the last
option, not the first. shouting commands at people is one more issue that is
cops need to change; it seems that they do not know how to treat citizens.
@VIDAROne thing you understand is the police only have seconds to make a
decision that will determine if they get to go home to their families or if
their families will be attending their funeral. If you don't want to obey a
command by a police office or if their gun is drawn you make a quick movement;
you make the choice whether you are shot. This attitude of that what the police
get paid for is bunk. They have a right to go home to their families.
@VIDARI agree fight or flight for the officer and the civilian. I have
been saying for a while they need to have "Police Confrontation Drills"
in schools, just as they do earthquake, fire & lock down drills. No one
ever hopes to be in that situation, but if you are, you need to know what to do
to save your own life. Most kids are taught compliance in the home, school and
the street is now an area we need to address. Just comply.The only
real reason a person would have for non-compliance with a police officer's
commands is if they were guilty of something and trying to avoid responsibility.
Tragic loss for his family. Condolences to them. The two that followed a
simple command are still alive. It is sad their son was egging on the cop and
wasn't willing to do that. Should the cop have stood there to wait and see
if it was a gun he was pulling out of his pants and see if he was going to get
shot or not? The number of cops killed by guns in 2014 is up 56%. Maybe the cop
had good reason to be concerned about his life and safety as well given that
statistic. We live in a day and age where a lot of kids and a lot of adults have
no respect for authority. So many of the lives of people that have been shot by
cops could easily have been prevented if the individuals that were shot had
shown even a little bit of respect for authority and followed a simple command.
We have almost gotten to a place where they do not even feel like they can
defend themselves anymore. That is pretty tragic as well.
Unless you have ever been in the position in which the officer found himself,
you are in no position to judge his actions. Having been in that position,
without necessity of firing my weapon, I know what he was facing. It is obvious
that the young man was trying to provoke something. It comes down to the common
sense rule of simply doing what you are told by an armed police officer, who as
much right to defend himself as anyone.
As mentioned if he did what he was told he would be alive today. I think what
the lawyer said in the suit HE sould be sued for defamation.
@VIDARAre you kidding me? Read the article. Let me help.1) Salt Lake police were called to a report of a possible man with a gun near
2100 S. State. A witness claimed three men were flashing a gun in the area.2) The officer says clearly, "Get your hands up now." At one
point, the video showed Taylor turn around and look at the officer but still
refusing to take his hands out of his waistband.3) Taylor responds,
"No, fool" Sounds like a great citizen of society. Someone that had a
fight or flight attitude, someone who was scared, etc. That is just non
sense.4) The officer again says, "Cruz yelled to Dillon,
'Get your hands out now, get your hands out, get your … get ‘em
out!,'"5) It is then when Taylor pulls his hands from his
pants quickly and bangCooperate from the very beginning and this kid
is still alive. So instead of the family teaching a better way of life for
others to abide by, like respecting authority. They choose to try and get rich
via their family members death.
One thing police need to understand is when they point their gun at someone it
causes fear, and a fight or flight response. People cannot think clearly or
rationally when a gun is pointed at them. They do not hear correctly, their
vision becomes distorted. And a citizen is not sure of the police officers
intentions. Many people simply do not trust the police to act honestly or with
control. sometimes citizens are just afraid of being shot and killed.
Accidental shootings by police happen all the time. They themselves are full of
adrenaline and not always thinking 100% clearly. Police training needs to
address these problems so these sorts of things do not continue to happen.
Shoot first and figure it out later is not a good way of dealing with the