@Groucho Marks --"How dare you ask us to actually attend the
conference and judge from there instead of flinging personal invective in the
comments section? "The only invective I see is coming from the
anti-equality crowd. Imagine that.
Idahofisherman,How dare you ask us to actually attend the conference
and judge from there instead of flinging personal invective in the comments
section? Where's the fun in that?
I attended this conference yesterday and surprisingly I did not hear all the
hate speech that so many on this comment line seem to think is coming from this
group. I did hear that we should love each other, love our neighbors, raise
strong families, love our spouses, love God and fight for freedom of worship.
There are many different faiths represented at this conference and they all
support the traditional family. The people talking about hating gays and
adoptive parents must be speaking later, I guess, or they were in another
building. maybe they were saving them for the closing ceremonies. Really I
think sometimes when you go to an event like this with an agenda you will come
away feeling that you are validated in your agenda. but like I said I must be
new to all this. I am just a father of 4, married 23 years, son of good parents
and brother to 6 siblings that are raising good families and yes some are
adopted. open your hearts and minds people.
@Counter Intelligence --"The Southern Poverty Law Center is the
consummate example of politically correct fundamentalism"It
doesn't really matter what the SPLC does or does not say about the WCF.The WCF dismisses any nonbiological family as "meaningless" --
and that includes straight adoptive families. They invite speakers who actively
work to deny rights to LGBTs -- including those who work to get laws passed in
other countries that send LGBTs to prison or even execution. The WCF also
associates with people who clearly state that they don't even believe in
freedom of religion.A person or organization is known by its
friends. And these friends are nobody the WCF should be proud of.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is the consummate example of politically correct
fundamentalism which has devolved into the personification of everything they
claim to despise: Being labeled a "hate group" by the SPLC is, at best,
ironic. The World Congress of Families should view the SPLC's duplicitous
contempt as a badge of honor (if they pay attention to it at all).
@HappyDad writes, "The WCF proves that there are good men and women out
there who are trying to steer public discourse in the right direction--who are
more concerned about finding and disseminating truth than appeasing people by
condoning decisions that cannot lead to lasting peace and happiness. Not
everyone is lost in a sea of relativism and moral anarchy."My
daughter and her wife seem to have a happy life, with fulfilling jobs, friends,
a modest home with a peach tree in the back yard and solar panels on the roof,
and a welcoming church. But you say this "cannot lead to lasting peace and
happiness". They've been married 15 months and do seem happy together.
But you are certain that this is going to end. Can you give me a rough
The only "World" anything I'm interested in that starts today is
the World Series.And there's nothing better for family life
than enjoying something together as a family!
Bluto,"... tactics of declaring anybody who disagrees with them
[LGBT] as hateful ..."I could understand you objecting to the
semantics or the word itself, but let's start here:FACT: LGBT
people are people first.FACT: People have certain rights.FACT: Anti-LGBT groups think LGBT people have too many rights and want to
take some away.How am I doing so far?So, then we're
left with what to call this position. I agree that "hate" is a little
simplistic. But, the anti- position mimics that of the KKK and its supporters
regarding black civil rights, and that's how they were characterized, which
is why the word carries forward."Opposition Group" falls a
little short of the mark, because it doesn't describe what taking away
human rights does to people, or the animus that motivates it. And, you
can't simplistically have "Christian" because I'm a member of
a Christian denomination that works FOR inclusiveness and equality.So, if you have a better word that describes not just wanting, but working to
exclude disliked people from society to their detriment, let's hear it.
Considering some of the things you allow to be said about GLBT people in your
comments it's interesting that you can't even acknowledge that the
World Congress of Families is considered a hate group.
Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, is
particularly controversial for including this statement in an August 2011
fundraising letter:"When you knock over a core pillar of society
like marriage, and then try to redefine Biblical views of marriage as bigotry,
there will be consequences. Will one of the consequences be a serious push to
normalize pedophilia?"(NOM blog August 18, 2011)In an
interview on CNN in 2012 Brian Brown was asked about a similar statement made by
the Family Research Council: "One of the primary goals of the homosexual
rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually
recognize pedophiles as the "prophets" of a new sexual order.""When pressed further on whether or not it is a hateful statement,
Brown had this to say:No, I would disagree...I mean, again, you can agree
or disagree with the position, but saying it's spewing hate and that we are
therefore going to label you a hate group, that's totally irresponsible,
and I think the American people understand this, and this tragedy highlights how
irresponsible something like this is."
Bumperboo, may God bless your beautiful family and help you all work through
this messy thing called life--as I pray He will for my family too. We sure all
need His help.A prerequisite to finding lasting happiness is to know
which direction to go. Not all paths lead to good things. The WCF proves that
there are good men and women out there who are trying to steer public discourse
in the right direction--who are more concerned about finding and disseminating
truth than appeasing people by condoning decisions that cannot lead to lasting
peace and happiness. Not everyone is lost in a sea of relativism and moral
anarchy, and that is encouraging. Keep up the great work, World Congress of
@Justiciaparatodos, unless you are suggesting that gay adults marry opposite sex
people, there will be no "family" that includes them unless they marry a
same sex person. Do you think it is best for society if gay adults live alone?
If you have some other suggestions, please make them. But I don't see you
offering any other options.
Happy Dad- I also believe the best scenario for the perfect eternal family is
mommy, daddy, six kids- three girls and three boys, 25 grandchildren- 14 girls
and 11 boys, and eight great grandchildren- 5 boys and 3 girls. All go on
missions and get married in the temple, stay active in the church, and none are
gay or transgendered. And you all live happily ever after! I've just
described my own amazing family!!! Except we are not perfect. All are not
active in the church. Some have experienced divorce, remarriage, infertility,
used donor sperm and adoption. We have step grand and great grandkids. We have
substance abuse issues. We also have eagle scouts, missionaries, and temple
marriages. We have a grand son-in-law who grew up in polygamy and has extended
family who are polygamists with whom he remains close. We have democrats,
republicans, and even a few crazy libertarians. We are a close knit and happy
family! My point, Happy Dad, is that our family is not perfect in your eyes
I'm sure or in the eyes of this conference, but to me they ARE perfect! I
believe gay couples have the civil right to create their own perfect families.
Is birth control part of the natural family?
Sigh.I am ashamed (again) and saddened at my church leaders
involvement with this organization and conference.Two steps forward,
five steps backward. This just may be the final straw for me.
@ mpartial The Southern Poverty Law Center is in itself, a liberal
hate group. The LGBT's Saul Alinsky tactics of declaring
anybody who disagrees with them as hateful is well designed. The
LGBT community is just going to have to get over the fact that some people will
not embrace their lifestyle and that is okay. To bully those who
have a different opinion, with pejorative insults is childish, yet effective, in
our PC World. It is very important for people to see through their
We have a disintegrating society, but the speakers at this event have it all
wrong as to cause. The disintegration of the family is not a cause, but rather
is a symptom. It is capitalism that is disintegrating, placing enormous
economic pressure on the family, and the family can't take much more.To the degree Utah is an exception, it is just a temporary exception.
At some point in the near future the entire system will collapse, suddenly. And
yes, family structures will be more important then ever. Our survival will in
large part depend on the stability of families, nuclear and extended. But
family stability will not prevent the collapse, rather it might allow us to
@QuakerRe: "Awesome! Since 8:43 this morning, my comment
pointing out the prevarication of this newspaper on the subject of whether the
WCF is a "hate group" garnered at least 15 'likes,' and then
poof! it's gone, retroactively 'denied' 8 hours later."Welcome to my world. They do that to me all the time too. Only goes to
show that we are making valid points that get under their skin.
Sorry for all the misspellings in my original post. Will try to be more
careful. Thank you Lagomorph for bringing up the fact that gays in many African
countries are not just discriminated against but often killed. The West cannot
be blamed for "creating" a gay "problem" in other countries. We
could however have an influence on other countries in how to treat LGBT
individuals with acceptance and assurance of equal civil liberties. We consider
ourselves enlightened and Christian. As such it is not our job to judge but to
accept even those with whom we might disagree. God created us all and made each
of us unique. We should embrace our differences. If this conference were about
celebrating and supporting the family, in all it's different
manifestations, I would be writing a different comment!
For a more in-depth analysis, see the trib's opinion piece on the WCF.
@Jimbo Low --"Grandpa who loves God is quoting straight from
Mormonsandgays.org"That doesn't change the truth of my
statement, Jim.Remember, less than 2% of the population is Mormon.
The rest couldn't care much less about the beliefs of the LDS church -- and
all those other Christians of other denominations have just as much right to
claim knowledge of God as you or the Mormon church do.@HappyDad
--"advocating for the ideal of two-biological-parent families
has nothing to do with hating orphans..."If the WCF would
actually stick with advocating for two-biological-parent families, then few
people would be upset with them.Unfortunately, that's not at
all what they do in reality.The WCF dismisses any nonbiological
family as "meaningless" -- and that includes straight adoptive families.
They invite speakers who actively work to deny rights to LGBTs -- including
working to get laws passed in other countries that send LGBTs to prison or even
execution. The WCF associates with people who clearly state that they don't
even believe in freedom of religion.A person or organization is
known by its friends. And these friends are nobody the WCF should be proud of.
The straw-man arguments of those angry with anyone opposing same-sex marriage
are really sad. The same small contingency of pro-gay advocates attempts to
swamp the comments sections on every story that mentions the topic and then they
all like each others' comments to try to give some false impression that
their views are widely held among Dnews readership. Well, it doesn't work.
Most readers of the Dnews are intelligent enough to know that advocating for the
ideal of two-biological-parent families has nothing to do with hating orphans,
single parents, or the LGBT community. It has everything to do with loving
children and advocating what is very best for them, our families, and society as
a whole. Ask any divorced parent whether he/she wishes they had been able to
have a stable, happy, traditional family. We advocate for the ideal, and try to
help less-than-ideal situations move in the right direction. This conference is
about love and family and societal preservation in a world of crumbling values.
We need so much more of this type of thing.
@Cats 7:09 a.m. Oct. 26, 2015 These people are swimming against a
tide of evil in today's world and I wish them all the best.------------------------They're not the ones who are
"swimming against a tide of evil in today's world" -- they're
the ones who are promoting the evil through their hateful rhetoric and actions.
@Laura Bilington 2:15 p.m. Oct. 26, 2015YOU and your husband
aren't the evil ones. That title is reserved for the ones who would work
against the good that you do for your families, and the families for which you
advocate. You're the type of person whose ideas need to be promoted, not
the narrow and exclusive and hurtful balderdash the WCF spews. Good for you!
Families are great, but I'm disappointed, and frankly, shocked, that
Utah's Governor and the LDS Church are welcoming this group and
participating in its convention. The WCF has been named as a hate group by the
FBI, the Human Rights Coalition and the Southern Poverty Law Center. It has
been involved in advocating laws in other countries that punish--and even
kill--gays. That's simply evil, and nothing that Utah or anyone should
You wouldn't think you'd need to tear down the idea of same sex
families in order to build up 'traditional' ones.
Awesome! Since 8:43 this morning, my comment pointing out the prevarication of
this newspaper on the subject of whether the WCF is a "hate group"
garnered at least 15 "likes," and then poof! it's gone,
retroactively "denied" 8 hours later.Of course, other
comments posted about scheduled speakers who seek to marginalize and exclude gay
people from society (a clearly hateful act) remain, so perhaps the trigger was
my observation that the worst thing gay people do to families is cause them to
rip themselves apart, when families choose church dogma over filial love and
kick them out.Did I perchance touch a raw nerve of someone on staff?
If so, I apologize.
[At the 2012 World Congress of Families, hosted in Madrid, Okafor gave a speech
in which she speculated that Western gay rights activists may be conspiring with
Boko Haram to "silence Christians." In that speech, which drew criticism
from LGBT advocacy groups, Okafor also said that "attacks on the natural
family" had driven Nigeria, Ghana and Uganda "to actually put in place a
ban on homosexual unions."]At least the article doesn't
hide the fact that there are very... shall we say... controversial viewpoints at
@Justiciaparatodos --"There will always be a small minority of
citizens who feel it is best for them to engage in un-natural behaviors and
family structures.""Unnatural behaviors"? Remember, many
opposite-sex couples enjoy the very same behaviors that same-sex couples do.And remember, "unnatural family structures", according to the
WCF, includes all STRAIGHT adoptive families as well. Do you agree with them
that adoptive families are unnatural?"Some individuals who have
homo-sexual inclinations feel they must denigrate and criticize other citizens
who promote natural families."Who? I've never
yet seen anyone denigrating "natural" families, nor people who truly try
to support them. If you believe otherwise, please provide some examples.Be specific.
@Contrarius:"No. Homosexuality is against **your personal beliefs
about God's law**."Actually--Grandpa who loves God is quoting
straight from Mormonsandgays.org which you seem to like to quote. The website
states:From a public relations perspective it would be easier for the
Church to simply accept homosexual behavior. That we cannot do, for God’s
law is not ours to change. There is no change in the Church’s position of
what is morally right.So your selective understanding of this website is
mistaken--you like to quote from it when it suits your purpose. It is actually
correct when it states we cannot accept homosexual behavior.Yet again--the
laws of God are unchangeable regardless of where "modern" thought and
beliefs and the winds of acceptable behavior take the world.
It's likely that within the broad spectrum of "traditional
families" and "alternative families" there are both the very good
and the very bad. Trying to compare specific families is a fruitless task as
there is no definitive definition of a "good" family. However, for LDS
folk, who in believing that the family structure can exist beyond this life, are
in the minority and yet that belief in an eternal family structure is part of
what fuels the whole anti-gay marriage push. What goes unsaid is that (in my
opinion) a very small percentage of "traditional" marriages will qualify
to be eternal family units according to LDS Doctrine. Regardless, the
opportunity is there for traditional family units and not there for gay
marriages, hence the opposition from the LDS Church. I suspect there will be
lots of sorting out to be done in the next life. For those who don't
believe in life after this one, or in the possibility of being a family unit in
heaven, then we believe fundamentally different things and our viewpoints of
traditional families and solutions to the challenges of the day will likely be
As various posters have pointed out, this "world" congress is
out-of-step and out-of-date. Instead of being inclusive, they are excluding
large groups of folks in the world who are raising ( most quite well, I assume)
children and forming "families". To exclude is not to be successful. I
hope this is the last of this type event to occur in the modern world.
Perhaps instead of giving speeches and vilifying others who may be different
from them, this group should consider listening to them and try to better
understand. Throwing stones "in defense of natural families" is not
what I consider positive or beneficial to anyone.
Very happy this conference is featuring such outstanding experts and scholars on
many important topics. It behooves citizens to understand the many, many
advantages that the natural family brings to our societies on so many levels.There will always be a small minority of citizens who feel it is best
for them to engage in un-natural behaviors and family structures. Some
individuals who have homo-sexual inclinations feel they must denigrate and
criticize other citizens who promote natural families. We must educate ourselves
and our youth to understand the many differences between natural families and
other "alternative family" models so that they can be best positioned to
make intelligent and wise family structure choices in life.
@Cats wrote, "These people are swimming against a tide of evil in
today's world and I wish them all the best."My husband and
I have been married 36 years. We have four home-made children and ten adopted
children.I never thought of us as being part of the "tide of
evil". But apparently we are. I mean, our twin girls could have been
raised by their biological mother and father--and evil us, we prevented that by
adopting them. Of course, the fact that they were abandoned on the side of the
road at the age of two days--joining over a thousand other baby girls that year
alone in that (Asian) city---was irrelevant.
@Summit Sending gay family members to prison does nothing to strengthen that
family. The WCF pushes laws like that. I hope much about the hate these people
spew is written in the media.
@Cats;These people are the ones who are PROPOGATING evil in this
world; bigotry and discrimination are evil!@Grandpa;"The truth is that homosexuality is against God's law ..."--- How do you know that? Have you bothered to even ask your god about
it? Or, like most others with that opinion, do you simply rely on the opinions
of bigoted religious leaders? My guess is the latter.@Marxist &
Lagomorph;Why the surprise? They're also saying that LGBT are
the cause of nearly every disaster known, natural or otherwise. Their
credibility is sorely lacking.
Looks like a terrific conference on strengthening families. Strengthening
families may be one of the most important things that can be done to help solve
world problems.Wish I could attend. I hope much is written of the
conference / talks and shared through media outlets.
It is wonderful to host such a great conference celebrating the traditional
family unit. Hopefully this conference will get bigger every year. The
father+mother+children family unit with a foundation of faith is the core of a
healthy society and statics show it. As the secular society crumbles to the
ground the tradional family unit will not only survive but thrive.
This is not something to be proud of. Speaking at this conference should be
something to be embarrassed about.
marxist: "Say what?"Yeah, I marveled at that statement,
too, which desperately screams for elucidation, confirmation, and, well, some
supporting evidence. It makes absolutely no sense that gays would partner with
folks who are a bigger threat to them than the Christians are.Article: ". . .Okafor also said that 'attacks on the natural
family' had driven Nigeria, Ghana and Uganda 'to actually put in place
a ban on homosexual unions.'"This claim, too, could use
some elucidation. What kinds of attacks is she talking about? Physical
violence? And how are the attacks prevented by 'a ban on homosexual
unions'? The latter, by the way, is remarkably charitable euphemism for
saying that gays are being beaten, imprisoned, and killed simply for being
gay.Article: "Okafor has been critical about what she said is
the effort of Western countries and international organizations to impose their
values on African countries."But the efforts by American
religious fundamentalists to push their rigid moral agenda and influence African
legislation to oppress gays are not a form of colonialism and imposed values?
What is exactly is "Pro-Family" and who, by the group's definition
is "anti-family"? Are not LBGT communities interested in creating
loving family bonds as well? The need to create an enemy or a monster of those
who disagree with you is as old as time. Can we not simply state
that all rational people are "pro-family"? It is slanderous to state
otherwise, regardless of the sexuality of the people in question. If this
organization wants to make the world a better place they should spend their
"pro-family" time trying to help solve real issues instead of taking so
much time making ideological stands.Here are a few topics they could
cover instead:- How can we strengthen the middle class so that they can
provide opportunities for their children- What steps can be taken to
reduce world poverty to help address hunger and housing issues affecting
families- How can we make medical care universal to ensure a quality of
life for families, regardless of income level
@Grandpa who loves God and you --"homosexuality is against
God's law"No. Homosexuality is against **your personal
beliefs about God's law**.Yet again -- many LGBTs are
Christian, and many straight Christians support full equality for all. And they
have just as much right to claim knowledge of God's law as you do."counseling similar to what is given to others having to deal with
addictive behaviors."From the Mormons and Gays website:
"Attraction to those of the same sex...should not be viewed as a disease or
illness."Do you disagree with the LDS church?"We
should also prohibit adoption among couples of same-sex marriages."Would you rather have kids growing up with NO parents?Remember,
thousands of kids age out of the US foster care system every year because nobody
wants to adopt them. And LGBT couples adopt these kids at higher rates than
straight couples do.Is it better to have same-sex parents, or no
parents at all?Also remember -- Utah was happy to legally adopt to
SINGLE gay parents for years before same-sex marriage became legal. Is one
parent better than two?
The fight against the LGBTQ community is really not worth pursuing in my opinion
because of the continual hate that continues to escalate. Rather we need to
focus on what families need to do to educate our children to live morally. The
truth is that homosexuality is against God's law and will only result in an
eternity of remorse not only for those in such relationships, but also their
parents and siblings who are suffering greatly. Those who have same-sex
attraction tendencies should receive counseling similar to what is given to
others having to deal with addictive behaviors. We should also prohibit
adoption among couples of same-sex marriages. Hopefully the conference will also
encourage adoption of babies to good husband-wife marriages rather than
abortion, which is simply murdering the unborn. More needs to be done in our
families to teach our children to live moral lives so that abortion never
becomes an issue. Somehow we need to move the nation, the Congress and courts in
particular to prohibit partial-birth abortion.
"Okafor will speak at a session on African perspectives on religious freedom
and the breakdown of the family. ... At the 2012 World Congress of Families,
hosted in Madrid, Okafor gave a speech in which she speculated that Western gay
rights activists may be conspiring with Boko Haram to "silence
The WCF has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. No
other US City would host them. Many European countries refused them as well. To
have our Governor attend & welcome them is a disgrace to Utah.
As an active LDS AND a Progressive, I see both the postive and the negative of
this conference. Having a speaker who rescues viuctims of the sec trade is
definitely a good thing. Pushing the agendas of anti-gay marriage and other
light civil rights, not so much. Making it a republican versus democratic
gathering seems counter productive. But what affects me personally is the
speaker who is in denial of the pain of infertility. A daughter and
husband,being unable to have children, made the decision to use dinar sperm and
produced two amazing young women, both active in the church and one is now a
living mother herself. These girls knew from an early age where they came from
and are well adjusted individuals. It angers me than some stranger can say they
should not exist. Shame on these people for much of their self righteous and
"The mission of the conference, which has been held annually since 1997, is
to exchange ideas to strengthen the "natural family,"Note
that, by their own mission statement, these people dismiss as meaningless even
**straight** adoptive families, along with straight infertile couples and the
families they create through surrogacy and/or artificial insemination.The presence of people like Okafor and Brown reveal the true goals of the
group, no matter what happy-smiley spin the WCF may try to put on their
efforts.Unfortunately, they waste what could be a very good
opportunity to reach across political boundaries. Imagine the good they could do
if they really worked to strengthen ALL families, instead of just the subset of
families that they happen to agree with?
These people are swimming against a tide of evil in today's world and I
wish them all the best.
If this conference was TRULY about strengthening families, they would not have
speakers like Brian Brown who have consistently shown animosity towards gay
people. My brother and his husband are raising children and they
are great parents. The kids are well-adjusted, caring, and happy. What else do
you want?! Would the WCF rather have those children go back to a broken foster
care system? Gay people are not the only ones that pay a price with homophobia.
I want to watch the person who will speak to the equal merits and benefits of
ALL families, regardless whether headed by single parents or by opposite-sex or
same-sex parents, regardless whether there are no children or a responsible
number of children or an excessive number of children, regardless how the
children came into the family (parental breeding, step-parenting, adoption,
surrogacy, fostering, etc.). Oh, wait -- there isn't going to be anyone
who will do that because they only care about a very narrow and exclusive
definition of "family" and have no use for any other real family
structure or creation.This group has no business purporting to be a
"World Congress of Families" because that implies inclusion, and not the
exclusion they want to claim and practice. It's time they be truthful, and
at the very least change their name to the "World Congress of Narrowly
Defined Families". It would be nice to see truth-in-advertising on their
part. Either that, or they start doing what they should be doing and, by its
name claim to be doing -- celebrate all forms and definitions of family equally.
Sadly I don't see that happening.
The better question would be "What to watch". Will we hear about the
challenges of health care insurance for poor families, social and economic
injustice to women, pollution affecting our children, the loving handling of
LGBT children, or violence in homes? And will the message to representatives
from East-European and African nations, as well as Muslim countries, again
recommend to promote laws that will entice people to bash, persecute, and
imprison our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters? WCF's record is already
abysmal in that respect. As a Mormon, I am ashamed that my church is
involved in this event -- unless Mormons speaking at this conference will take
this opportunity to help change the WCF.
I wonder who will take home the gold.