Jay Evensen: Seinfeld's kid demonstrates why licensing is killing the economy

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  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Sept. 6, 2015 9:47 p.m.

    The bigger government gets, the more control it wants of every aspect of daily life. I agree with licensing of professions where there is substantial risk of harm to people personally or financially. Doctors, lawyers, accountants financial planners, architects and the like should have to show education and the proper use of trust accounts, etc.

    But why does a barber need hundreds of days of training? To save someone from a bad haircut? I think a 1 page document that says "I understand that I should disinfect combs and cutting implements" should pretty much take care of it for life. Governor Herbert should make it a goal to get rid of 50% of government licensing requirements before the next election.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Sept. 6, 2015 9:59 a.m.

    Licensing has a lot to do with revenue for cities and counties and state governments. So do most zoning laws. Cities have gotten very involved with what businesses can go where and who can do what with in city limits. States like Utah's end up getting run by certain lobbies such as the realtors/developers, or the hair industry people, or the ski industry. Sometimes everybody's interests are the same but most times its all about the benjamins.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Sept. 4, 2015 10:41 p.m.

    My license from years ago:
    1. Training/experience in the field. DD214 and my word provided the proof.

    2. Exam (with application and testing fees, of course) that was all about feeding the bureaucracy in a timely manner with their report forms and payments. Also an awareness of the ability of the consumer to check the license and any complaints. Absolutely nothing regarding my professional expertise.

    3. Deposit or bond as backup for my regular required payments. I ticked them off by doing handing them a CD in both names (mine and the bureaucracy) that put the periodic interest payments into my business account.

    It had nothing to do with consumer protection: it was all about revenue to feed the government beast.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 4, 2015 9:03 p.m.

    In the case of Jerry Seinfield it is just a result of NIMBY--not in my backyard. Hoity-toity who don't want street urchins messing up the scenery.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 4, 2015 2:02 p.m.

    It is the Police's job to protect the public, according to what they say and the general understanding of their motto to Serve and Protect. However, the lemonade stands story seems to pop up often enough that it makes one wonder of the Police and the people who employee them really want them to include ordinary people in their protection.

    The primary purpose of local police is to facilitate and protect the business environment. Since business is the most powerful force in the local governments most of the local laws favor and protect business. In the process of protecting business some laws provide protection for ordinary people but only as a incidental nature.

    Everyone wants freedom and no interference from outside entities like government and religion. The fact is that for every freedom and right that a person has, someone, some others, must have restrictions on their freedom.

    Freedom for lemonade stands means the loss of freedom of the general public to purchase quality lemonade drinks. Or, vise versa.

  • E & EE Ann arbor, MI
    Sept. 4, 2015 10:44 a.m.

    Very good points but it doesn't go far enough: even mandatory licences in the medical field should be abolished.

    The only thing mandatory licensing accomplishes is it sets up a legal monopoly on the service. This is especially apparent in the medical field. Who is competent enough to set licensing standards? Doctors. So they (the AMA) are in charge of who can be licensed and they artificially keep the number of doctors low by restricting the number of medical schools and the enrollment. This is a very big reason why healthcare is so expensive: little competition in the supply of healthcare.

    Mandatory licensing hardly prevents the existence of incompetent doctors so eliminating it wouldn't burden the consumer more anyway as people already have to choose doctors on that basis. Most highly specialized doctors would still get licensed or credentialed in their field. So we might as well get rid of a regulation that doesn't really help and is so expensive.

    Read "Free to Choose" by Milton Friedman to see more of how ineffective and wasteful mandatory licensing is.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 4, 2015 7:28 a.m.

    Two very isolated examples and the writer condemns the whole system. Overreaction, dude.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Sept. 4, 2015 5:42 a.m.

    Years ago I had the displeasure of having to deal with the state's department of licensing. It was distasteful at best. While they were always polite, they were also bent on all rules being complied with in the fullest and to the most onerous interpretation possible. I always felt it was more about justifying their jobs then protecting the public.

    It would be appropriate to have the Governor tell them to reduce the number of licenses by 30%. If forced to, they would weed out the ones just not needed.

  • djc Stansbury Park, Ut
    Sept. 3, 2015 3:10 p.m.

    Having lived in several states, I have to say Utah is pretty onerous about licenses for some pretty innocuous occupations. I was surprised to say the least that such an anti state would require licenses for so many jobs.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Sept. 3, 2015 2:20 p.m.

    "for the fuzz"

    That's 1960 vernacular for police?

  • BOC Omaha, NE
    Sept. 3, 2015 2:17 p.m.

    Athletic Trainers (ATs) are healthcare professionals who collaborate with physicians. The services provided by ATs comprise prevention, emergency care, clinical diagnosis, therapeutic intervention and rehabilitation of injuries and medical conditions. Athletic training is recognized by the American Medical Association as a healthcare profession. In order to become an AT, one must graduate from an accredited athletic training program (at least a bachelor’s degree) and pass a national high stakes exam that is recognized by the Utah Division of Occupational and Professional Licensing (DOPL). According to DOPL’s website the fee to obtain a license is $70 and to renew a license is $47.

    Licensure of healthcare providers, such as ATs, is important in protecting the public. Imagine that your son, daughter, niece, nephew, etc…were playing a sport and suffered a head injury. Would you rather have a licensed athletic trainer who has demonstrated that they have the competence to treat such an injury through their education and by passing an exam or the person who calls themselves an athletic trainer who may not have the same education and level of competence?

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 3, 2015 1:40 p.m.

    A couple of thoughts:
    1. Should athletic trainers be licensed? Depends on what we're talking about here. Trainer as in the medic that attends a high-school or college or professional athlete on the field? I'd answer yes to that question. I'd even answer yes if it's only the guy who spots me while weightlifting and yells encouragement. Don't know that I want just anyone doing that who isn't aware of what could go wrong.
    And 2. Today I was driving out of the grocery store parking lot and saw some enterprising young folks (probably college-age) selling birdhouses on the parking strip. Trouble was, the enthusiastic young woman holding the sign kept waving it in such a way that anyone leaving the parking lot had a restricted view of a (busy) street, making it harder to leave safely.
    Should someone like that need a license? Or at least hew to some sort of city code about where they can set up shop? If we don't have some small, common sense rules, we'll end up looking like Mumbai pretty soon. Some freeway exits are already pretty close.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Sept. 3, 2015 12:34 p.m.

    It's all Obama's fault! Benghazi, health care, and now this! How dare he!

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Sept. 3, 2015 11:19 a.m.

    Should anyone (with any background) be able to be an athletic trainer or pharmacy technician? The imbalance may be problematic but not the idea of some controls on who enters the field. As to earth drillers - yeah wait until they are fracking near you and they are all unlicensed drillers. Nothing could go wrong there . . .

    As we consider the cost-benefit tests - remember that the public should be protected from charlatans. Otherwise we clog up both our courts and hospitals with the double problem of massive lawsuits and lasting injuries.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 3, 2015 9:29 a.m.

    Small business licensing is at least somewhat seen as a revenue generator for municipalities and states but it is exacerbated by lawyers. It's just a lemonade stand but could also be an obstruction or a health hazard or traffic hazard. It's pretty unlikely, but if something happens that might be remotely associated with it someone's calling a lawyer. And then the municipality gets dragged into it because the thing was not properly situated or didn't have a food safety plan or who knows what. We're over regulated because there is the chance, no matter how remote, that government can be held accountable for some unfortunate outcome carried to it's furthest extreme.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Sept. 3, 2015 9:14 a.m.

    I have just finished reading a book called "The Death of Common Sense," about stupid rules by governments at every level. Both rightists and leftists are guilty, but the bigger government gets, the more stupid rules it accumulates, so I'd hold the left slightly more guilty. It is time we rise up and place common sense on a pedestal and reject those who want a lot of dumb rules. It is time for cops to ask themselves if they have really made a positive difference by shutting down lemonade stands, or if perhaps they have not only wasted our tax money, and their time, as well as ruined someone's day for nothing.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Sept. 3, 2015 9:01 a.m.

    A problem begging for simple pragmatism and common sense.

    But watch the comments to follow – it will be used as evidence to support every ideological scheme under the sun.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 3, 2015 7:26 a.m.

    so why do states need federal money to look at their licensing laws?
    maybe we should get out and vote for people who rail against idiocracy

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 3, 2015 5:50 a.m.

    Rest assured that many will read this article and blame Obama and the Federal government for these STATE required license issues.

  • Strachan Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 3, 2015 5:20 a.m.

    Why do the states need the federal government to fund this initiative and why are the Deseret News and the Wall Street Journal both praising federal involvement? Where is the rhetoric about states rights and government works best when closest to the people?

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 3, 2015 1:06 a.m.

    Writing a piece like could cost a person their editorial license.

    What's that? You mean they allow people to write stuff like that without a license? Call your legislators! It's time to license opinion!