So many bitter BYU fans -- we should let it go. We are going to have a decent
teams, so let's be happy about that, and let's be happy for this kid
and his opportunity. I would have taken a free ride to Duke over a free ride at
BYU, and all I'm doing is going to school. As much as I would have loved
him here, it seems like a no brainer. To the Ute fan or two being
difficult, yes, they meant a "legendary to BYU fans" team, not all time
NCAA legendary team. If the BYU fan meant all time NCAA legendary team, I would
ask them to get their head checked. To the person saying this is the easy way
out -- moving across the country, away from your family, playing on national TV
many times, and playing the top competition, all while at one of the top
academic schools does not sound like the easy way out. Some people want
different things. He wants to win a NC and go pro, he doesn't want to
elevate BYU, and that's perfectly ok, that's not his job.
True, a young man's mission choice isn't any of our business. However,
I have concerns about the counsel they get. I had significant professional
sports opportunities prior to mission. I had better opportunities after my
mission. What rubs me wrong is counsel that one can be a good
ambassador for the church in professional sports, as though that would be
equivalent/better/selfless choice because of a larger scale perception impact on
the church. For those who've foregone a mission for sports, it RARELY
works out. True, each has their agency and how they exercise it
should be of little concern to others. True, a mission is not the right choice
for everyone. However, I can't help fut feel these young men are given
very short-sighted and unrealistic counsel from parents, coaches, and others
when making a decision to serve a mission. As one who has experienced both a
mission and professional sports (and walked away), you simply can't replace
a mission. There is no comparable substitute for that opportunity. Later in
life, an active man is more likely to regret foregoing a mission than the
@UteologyNice try with your "Clintonian Spin".No...you said:"How does one (i.e. an individual) become
legendary with ONE Elite Eight appearance in over 35 years"?You
clearly referred to the individualWe demonstrated that Jimmer did just
UteologyJimmermania was a national phenomena unlike anything ever to
occur on the hill.When was the last time any Utah player became his
own nightly highlight reel?With Jimmer and Brandon, BYU was a Final
Four and national championship contender.Even without Brandon,
Jimmer was able to lead BYU to within a point of advancing to the Elite
Eight.The fact that Jimmer swept every meaningful national
individual award says it all about how unique his game was.It's
obvious that you're still smarting over the total annihilation Jimmer laid
on U in his last visit to the Huntsman.
@never break .500Of course, Jackson had zero interest in playing or
committing to the U. That would be a complete ridiculous pipe dream by Ute fans.
Sorry to break it to you, no one grows up thinking "some day I may be able
to play for those Utes." Mostly you get random jocks from Juco looking for a
chance for immediate play time, not knowing anything about SLC or the school.--------------More fantasy from down south. Brekkott Chapman had offers from BYU, Utah and Utah State, Cal, Colorado,
Gonzaga, UCLA and Arizona. But throughout it all, the University of Utah was the
preferred choice:“There were times where he thought about
other places, but Utah was always towards the top of the list... I wanted to be
a part of something that was going to change and become great again."“We were sitting down in our living room and (my mom) got a little
teary eyed and said — I think it was first when Utah offered me a
scholarship — she got a little teary eyed and said, ‘My boy’s
going to do good things,’" Chapman said, recalling the first time a
scholarship offer arrived at his house.
BlutoSandy, UT@UteologyHow does one become
legendary with ONE Elite Eight appearance in over 35 years?Ask
Jimmer...In college, Jimmer was indeed a Legend, capturing
"every" POY award and having his own continual segment on
SportsCenter....His NBA career notwithstanding..Nobody at Utah has
ever matched his collegiate popularity.To deny that that is to deny
reality.-----------------Ask Jimmer? He played in an
Elite 8 game?Good for him, I'm sure Cougar Nation enjoyed the
hype on SportsCenter while going 3-4 in the postseason. How does
that make BYU, which the original post was about, a legendary team?
To be honest Frank is only going to play one year and then enter the draft. He
is a great player but he probably couldn't help to deliver a NC to Utah or
BYU. They just don't have the horses. Plus Frank would not necessarily be
the best player on the floor for BYU or Utah... The most potential and highest
ceiling? You Bet! but he is not a better point guard today the Kyle
Collinsworth. Players are drafted on future potential especially when they are
19 and going into the draft. Most BYU RM aren't going to improve a lot
because they are 24 yr. old.
All comes down to being a little fish in a big pond or a big fish in a little
pond. It's sad, with what BYU has coming back next year we're already
going to be a sweet 16, with Jackson we would have been a final four. Oh well,
here's for hoping.
Coach K won't be at Duke in 4 years. He's 67 years old.
@ The Greater TruthThere aren't many better men than the
"real" coach K that he could play for. He will get a lot from that
experience. Now if he had chosen to play for the "other" coach K, that
would have been a shocker. No comparison!
As a cougar fan, I'm disappointed it didnt work out for BYU. However, I
respect your decision, Frank. Duke is a great program and coach K is a great
man and coach. Good luck during your time at Duke. I'll be rooting for
you. Represent Utah Valley well!
He has made other commitments before. There is no way to know what he really
will do until he signs his commitment. Coach K won't be there much longer
so he may change his mind even after he signs.
Interesting how any discussion of Frank Jackson evaluating plans to go on a
mission is none of our business to many DN readers. That subject is not an
un-newsworthy issue for the DN writer, nor for Frank Jackson himself. But, I
suppose it’s a pretty clear-cut issue. Either nothing takes precedence
over serving a mission, or sometimes there are actually better things to do with
your life for those 2 years. That's the hard question each young man
should ask himself. Is there really something better I should do than a mission
for those 2 years of my life?
As much as I would have loved to see him play at B.Y.U. he chose Duke. That is
his choice. As for going on a mission his latest comments make it sound like he
is now undecided. I hope he changes his mind about going on a mission because
if he chooses not to go which is his choice he is missing out on a great
Another good athlete pursuing the "one & Done" dream of the NBA.
Good Luck FJ
I'm a huge BYU fan but fans criticizing Frank's decision are just
clueless. He is one of the top players in the country and is going to possibly
the top program in the country. How can that be anything but commendable. And I
guarantee you he will have far more of a positive influence as a good LDS kid
standing out at Duke than being one of 15 playing with the Cougars. And he will
also represent the Church better as a pro player than baptizing 3 or 4 people in
South Dakota most of which will go inactive after a year.
Whether he goes on a mission or not is irrelevant and is not my concern nor any
of my business. I wish people would stop bringing that up.If his
sole objective is the NBA here are some of the pros and cons of picking Duke
over BYU.Pros:1) Coach K. Great coach. Great teacher. Simply
the best 2) Legitimate shot at national title, almost every year.3)
More exposure through prime time TV. Every Network wants to show Duke in BB.4) The caliber of players on his own team and his opponents' teams
increases his legitimacy.Cons:1) Jackson is probably not a one
and done player as Parker was. In fact he may not even be a starter his freshman
year, thus the risk of getting "lost" in the roster.2) Much more
difficult to stand out when the whole team consists of 4 and 5 star recruits.Case in point: Jimmer Fredette. Would Jimmer have gotten POY and all the other
accolades while playing for Duke? Would he have gone as high in the draft? The
whole team revolved around Jimmer at BYU. Would that have happened at Duke? I
believe the answer to all those questions is "no".
Best wishes in the new surroundings, Frank! The fame and bright
lights of Dukedom are certainly intoxicating. Although, maybe not in
Franks' case, it will be nice one day when a 4-5 star recruit has the
courage and spirit of adventure to want to take a team like BYU or Utah, which
are a player or two away from a deep, Duke-like tournament run, and break new
ground with a team that holds great promise, but maybe doesn't have an
embarrassment of riches, like Duke does. What could be more fun and rewarding
than breaking new ground and being more original than all of the current and
past stars who leave their home states and play for Duke. Duke is a no-brainer,
of course, if you want to stay inside the box. It seems to be an obvious choice,
to want jump into a group of players who are guaranteed a spot in national title
conversations. So with the decision in the rear view mirror, the next challenge
will be competing for a starting spot against other elite point guards. Best wishes in all you do. It will be a thrill to be surrounded with so
Of course I wanted FJ at BYU; who wouldn't? And yet, a look at the players
who would be in front of him at BYU would actually likely make it harder to see
court time than it would at one-and-done Duke. If the hope is to go right to
the NBA after one year--and I know he's good, but I haven't heard him
put in the same league as immediate lottery picks--it certainly would be better
to go to a school that doesn't have seasoned stars. And I know this will
be heresy to the anti-BYU types, but the likelihood of a deep and talented BYU
beating a team of freshmen at Duke in the Tournament is very good; we only have
to look at Jabari's experience against a less-talented but veteran team to
@DC Surfs (5:57 pm)"Previous to last year, you (Utah) had at
least 10 straight losing seasons. Get ahold of yourselves."While
the decade you refer to was one of the low points of the strong Utah basketball
history, I have to set the record straight. In the 10 years PRIOR TO last year,
the Utah basketball team had 4 winning seasons including two conference
championships and one appearance in the Sweet 16. They didn't have
anything close to 10 or more than 10 consecutive losing seasons.
I'm a huge Y fan but I can't blame him for this choice at all.
I'd have done the same thing if I had gotten a chance to play for Coach K.
Good luck out there!
@Cottonwood High School aka CHAThe subject is College Basketball.Your introduction of a "Strawman" notwithstanding.Uteology
asked...."How does one become legendary with ONE Elite Eight
appearance in over 35 years"?I answered that...Learn to
stay on point.
@Old Scarecrow: when he's playing the Jazz.
Wow, I'm really surprised to read all these negative comments about him
choosing Duke and choosing not to serve a mission! I thought Frank had agency
like the rest of us? If he chooses not to serve a mission that is his business.
Does it really hurt you if he makes that decision? No, so let it go!And to
really think that BYU would have been the better choice for Frank is ridiculous!
As far as a basketball standpoint goes, it does not get any better than Coach K.
(remember how he also coaches Team USA too...) No offense to the Cougars or
Coach Rose, but it just isn't Coach K or Duke. And, comparing Frank to
Jabari is crazy. Two very different players in two very different situations!Good luck Frank! Show the world what you can do and enjoy every second of it!
He'll be back in Utah in a couple of years.
@ never break,"Of course, Jackson had zero interest in playing
or committing to the U. That would be a complete ridiculous pipe dream by Ute
fans." Thanks for letting us Ute fans know this since you are obviously
close to FJ and know his inner thoughts. The same could be said about byu and
playing in the WCC since he had already DE-COMMITTED from the y. And the whole
JUCO thing made me laugh. Yes Delon was a special player who found success at
Utah (and was an NBA 1st rounder unlike Haws). Jordan Loveridge and Brekkot
Chapman were both highly rated ESPN 100 high school recruits with Chapman
training with the U-19 Team USA this past summer.
If Jabari Parker didn't have to play one year of college ball he would have
been a top 5 choice for the NBA right out of high school. So going to Duke
marginally helped his NBA chances. The challenge is to lift a team with less
talent than Duke to a higher level they would normally achieve. Frank J. will
miss that opportunity. Duke is very talented and BYU is very good also the next
few years with what they have coming in.
Congratulations Frank Jackson and good luck at Duke. To all of you judging
Frank on his mission that has yet to occur, I'm a RM myself and
wouldn't trade my experiences for the world. That being said there are
other ways to "serve", look at Jabari Parker and the way that he is
representing the church. Just because Frank might decide to not serve a mission
doesn't mean anything. He could be a great ambassador for the church being
in the public spotlight and living his faith for all to see. How can you judge
someone on their decision when you haven't been in their shoes. I doubt
many of you were 5 star athletes with the opportunity to play professional
sports when you decided to go on mission. And going to Duke does have an impact
on his professional career for all those complaining about how he would still be
drafted if he went to the y. Look at the 2 best players to come out of byu
lately, one is in Europe and one could be cut from SA after training camp. The
WCC conference just doesn't get the same exposure, sorry.
@Bluto"Nobody at Utah has ever matched his collegiate
popularity."Maybe so, but what's the difference between
Andre Miller (age 39), and Jimmer Fredette (age 26)? One of them is a starter
in the NBA. Do your "glory days" truly end when you receive
that college diploma? ... and why are his missionary plans
Bluto: I agreee. Provo popularity and collegiate popularity are one in the same.
@worf:Both of which are just fine.
@UteologyHow does one become legendary with ONE Elite Eight
appearance in over 35 years?Ask Jimmer...In college,
Jimmer was indeed a Legend, capturing "every" POY award and having his
own continual segment on SportsCenter....His NBA career notwithstanding..Nobody at Utah has ever matched his collegiate popularity. To deny
that that is to deny reality.
Let's see. He gets a better education and basketball experience at Duke
vs. what either Utah school had to offer. Only a few get the opportunity for a
Duke basketball scholarship and Frank just did. It's a no brainer.
@VegasUteHe is playing for Coach K.There is only one Coach K,
and he does not reside at Utah, nor does he wear Red.Memo to Ute
GandalphSandy, UTThis was a foregone conclusion as soon as
Frank decommited from BYU.I hope he does well at Duke, but he could
have been part of a legendary team at BYU.-----------------Instead he'll have to settle for being a part of a legendary program at
Duke.How does one become legendary with ONE Elite Eight appearance
in over 35 years?
No surprise, good luck at Duke!
Some high school seniors know what career they want and the best college at
which to prepare. If they want to be nuclear scientists, they would hope to go
to MIT or lawyers to Harvard or Yale, journalists to Columbia or Medicine to
Johns Hopkins. Frank Jackson wants to play in the NBA, so Duke is probably the
best choice for him, even though there are no guarantees and he probably
won't be at Duke for more than a year. Good luck to a good kid with a
dream. Hope things work out well for him.
pretty easy decision really.. great fans, coach, facility etc etc and a chance
to get to the national championshipBYU, Utah, Stanford... great
fans, good coaches, nice facilities - no chance of winning a national
We look forward to welcoming Frank to the neighborhood. As to the
who think he should have stayed and represented the state of Utah... he is
already doing that. The fact that Duke recruited out of the State of Utah has
already raised the profile of the state. Playing in state wouldn't have
done anything for the state. As a former Cougar and Ute - I say this as a fan
of both programs - most years the rest of the nation doesn't even know Utah
or BYU have basketball programs. It has been a while since either team has put
a national attention worthy team on the court. Its been equally long since
either has placed a real marques national player into the NBA. And yes, there
is Jimmer, but his experience is almost more a warning sign then it is a success
story. Frank coming to Duke is going to put a lot of fresh
eyeballs on the kids playing high school ball in Utah, and open up a lot of new
opportunities for them. It also just made Utah and BYUs recruiting that much
Meh! He committed once before to go to BYU and go on a mission. He decommited
to BYU and most likely to decommit to a mission. Meh! Who cares?
Shame on Jackson selling out for Duke. He committed to BYU and could have been
a good example to others and had the same NBA career as anywhere else if he is a
good ball player. He may sit the bench when all is said and done and Duke gets
all their other 5 star players. That would be fitting. Of
course, Jackson had zero interest in playing or committing to the U. That
would be a complete ridiculous pipe dream by Ute fans. Sorry to break it to
you, no one grows up thinking "some day I may be able to play for those
Utes." Mostly you get random jocks from Juco looking for a chance for
immediate play time, not knowing anything about SLC or the school. See Delon
Wright, etc. Deal with the reality. If you get enough of them to field a
team, they can be good but they represent nothing.
When Frank committed to BYU he was a lightly regarded freshman. He has grown
into a terrific basketball player and a terrific young man. Duke is a great
choice for this young man. It's a great place for academics and of course
a great institution for hoop stars.As much as we would all have
loved to see him player here in the state of Utah, we all have to respect his
decision. Tough for the BYU and UofU programs to see one get away, both
programs will survive.Good luck Frank.
Frank, Congratulations! And consider this: When you "play" for your
Heavenly Father, you always play for the VERY best. It is also an opportunity
you can't afford to pass up. Godspeed to you!
Your money won't buy you time that will be lost forever. Go on a mission.
He could come to his senses and decommit again...
Wow BYU fans, way to be supportive of a local kid just because he doesn't
go to the Y and way to attack the U. Read the article. He was also considering
the U. And to attack the U and Coach K.? Sheesh, just because they beat the Y
the last 2 years and went to the Sweet 16 and are pre-season rated now, where do
you come off attacking their program? Acknowledge what the Utes are doing
presently and where they are now, not in the past. Be realistic... would you
rather play on a team with a bunch of 2 and 3 star players with a couple of 4
star players and be popular in Utah County or play with all 5 star players in a
tough conference and be known nationwide? How many players for Duke are in the
NBA and how many from BYU? Duh!
While many of us who follow college b.ball in Utah rooted for Frank to stay in
state, we realize it is a great opportunity to play for a legendary coach. Coach
K is the one coach who would honor Frank's decision to serve a mission. Out
of all the options a college player has: play and graduate and follow the money;
play one year and follow the money; transfer; etc., the single greatest
opportunity for a person at this stage of their life is to serve others: LDS
mission, Peace Corps, etc. No matter the satisfaction of
representing a local university, or having family and friends watch court side,
or following a life long dream-when the allure of fame and fortune is strong
enough, everything else becomes virtually unimportant. The supposed importance
of playing a game in front of rabid fans; being watched on national TV, and
receiving countless opportunities with zero moral value can never supplant the
value of leaving home for a couple of years to lose oneself in helping others.
To those of you making the "but Frank could have been a legend at BYU,
rather than just another guy at Duke," should athletes turn down BYU just so
they can be legends at Idaho State?
Frank said: "Right as we got there we went and saw Coach rzyzewski speak and
it was really powerful," Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John Wooden and name a
few they were Powerful Speakers. Whatever!
Sorry Frank, I won't be watching Duke playing on my tv. Coach K Duke who?
Legendary? He is old. And one more, you are now "Rent a Player"
Congrats to Frank and good luck. Playing for Coach K is hard to pass up. I do
understand the allure of going to Duke, but Frank, Nick, TJ and Eric with all
the other recruits that Dave Rose has would have been something special. He
could have been part of legendary squad at BYU. Cougar fans would have
remembered his name for years. I guess being one of the guys at Duke> then
being a BYU legend.
Vegas ute. Ya the "real coach k". Like he ever considered being a Ute.
Bets on whether he goes on a mission?
CHS 85"You mean the Jabari Parker who was selected 2nd overall
in the 2014 NBA Draft?"There was no cause and affect link
between Jabari going to Duke and Jabari being a high NBA draft pick.Jabari would have been one of the top picks in the NBA draft whether he'd
played at Duke, BYU, or any other school.Do you honestly think
Jabari will be idolized by Duke fans as the player who lead Duke to an opening
game loss to Mercer in the NCAA tournament?
Duke is an excellent school. Choosing Duke for a one and done college career
renders that excellent education moot. In fact I'm surprised that Duke
values NCs more than the education they should deliver to their athletes. But
hey, what do I know? Grab the pro chance as a 19-year-old kid, then most likely
be broke and looking for something after a few years.Maybe Jabari
Parker will stick and get good financial manager and do well. Most don't.
Sad to say.
Why is it anyone's business if he chooses to go on a mission or not?
Those posting about a Duke education are just showing they don't follow
college BB. Read JayDee's post.
Worfs prediction from a year ago.No BYU, or mission.
Best wishes to Frank at Duke.
I can't name one single player on Duke's team. in the coming years
that will not change. Frank who?
no surprises here. Good for FJ, Duke will be an incredible opportunity. The only
sad thing to me is if he decides not to serve a mission.
Another disappointed fan here hoping he would represent the state at ether BYU
or Utah, wish he would have kept his original commitment but things change.
What we learned from Jabari was he was just another very good player at Duke
whereas at BYU he would have been the greatest player and still be selected
where he was in the NBA. The same will probably be said for Jackson. Appears
many people feel the same.
@Gandalph"At Duke, he'll likely be just like Jabari Parker,
a very good played on a good team that will soon be forgotten amongst the myriad
of great Duke players and teams."Are you for real? Do you
honestly think he is planning to play basketball at the college level and then
@blue & white"lesson learned from Jabari who didn't do
much for Duke's championship hopes."You mean the Jabari
Parker who was selected 2nd overall in the 2014 NBA Draft? Is that the Jabari
you are referencing?
[DN: Are we allowed to be critical, in generality, of any player choosing to
play outside of utah?]It seems with these young ball players it is
all about ego.There is no other reason to across country to play
ball.I mean... if Coach k was so great... tell me what did Jabari
learn there that couldn't have learned else where...What did
burgess learn there that he didn't learn else where?What did
Damian lilliard fail to learn by not going to some big name basketball school?
Clearly he shouldn't have been able to make it to the pros with inferior
coaching and inferior competition.And clearly all those Ute players
in the pros are failures because they plaiyed at a mwc/wac school.Why should Jackson help Duke win anything?It's all about
stoking one's own ego. That's why any player leaves utah to go a big
name school.Playing with a bunch of other blue chippers will
obviously increase your chance at winning a championship. but there really
isn't anything else to gain going to some distant big name school.
All the comments about the quality of education at Duke, while likely accurate,
seem irrelevant in this case. If all goes as planned for Mr. Jackson, he'll
experience about one semester and change of that world-class education. Enjoy
This was a foregone conclusion as soon as Frank decommited from BYU.I hope he does well at Duke, but he could have been part of a legendary team
at BYU.At Duke, he'll likely be just like Jabari Parker, a very
good played on a good team that will soon be forgotten amongst the myriad of
great Duke players and teams.
@blue & white:"lesson learned from Jabari who didn't do
much for Duke's championship hopes"Uh, Jabari was the
second overall pick in the NBA Draft. It is really horrible that he is making
millions playing basketball and has a gatorade endorsement deal."Too bad he chose the easy way out."Playing on a team the
caliber of Duke, with all the related pressure to perform, is not "the easy
way out". Playing at byu in a very low profile conference against teams
with gyms that have way less than 9,000 seats (including the vaunted Gonzaga)
would have been the easy way out.
Good for Frank. I would have loved to have seen him in Provo but we will be
elite even without him. I'm somewhat amused at the postings
related to a top 20 program in the state of Utah though. One decent season
suddenly makes you guys perennial world beaters? Previous to last year, you had
at least 10 straight losing seasons. Get ahold of yourselves. I'm very excited for Cougar basketball for at least the remainder of the
decade. We will definitely talking about perennial world beaters then. It will
be fun to take it to coach k and the haters.
Some people are born to play Basketball. Frank is one of them. Duke's gain
and BYU's lost plus a degree from Duke is not bad either. I hope he remains
healthy and the best of luck to him at Duke.
Too bad he chose the easy way out. BYU would have been a better choice for him
and the school. lesson learned from Jabari who didn't do much for
Duke's championship hopes. The team he was on lost the first round in the
March tourney and he didn't get player of the year honors. Any way good
luck to you in basket ball playing in Duke's 9,000 seat gym.
Good for Frank. Silver lining for BYU: he kept the Cougars in consideration,
which might signal to other top players that Coach Rose might be worth playing
for. You can't be in the "Final 4" for too many top LDS recruits
(some of whom pick the Cougs, some who don't) before others start to think
there is more to it than just religion.
And yes. Duke is a fabulous place. After my two years in Durham, Duke will
forever hold a spot in my heart. Jackson is going to the second best choice he
could have made. Duke and BYU; I will forever bleed blue. I think Frank's
stock continued to rise from October until now and he faced a personal dilemma
of choosing between best and better. Duke is a fabulous to play BB and an even
greater place to secure a life changing education. Way to go Frank. What I
don't understand is how u was in your top four along with Stanford, Duke
No surprise here...I'm just glad the media coverage will now come to an
Would of loved to see him at the Y, but it will be awesome to watch him
represent the state of Utah at Duke!
We would have liked to see you play in red for Coach K, but understand why you
chose to play in blue for Coach K.Congratulations to you and yours.
Best of luck to you at Duke.
I have many friends and relatives who went to Duke. Its a great school in
addition to a great tradition in Basketball. I hope he takes advantage of both.
Congrats Frank and family. Good luck this year and at the next level.
Obviously the choice. As much as I want him at BYU - and the program is good -
Duke is the top of the class. Had I been accepted to Harvard I assure I would
Oh thank goodness - we can all exhale now.