'Conceptual framework' on Medicaid expansion announced

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  • Some1outthere Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2015 9:03 p.m.

    about medicaid. I'm assuming that this lady that recently died had PCN which is a branch of the state's medicaid insurance. PCN doesn't cover preventative medical screenings including mammograms. In order to qualify for a free screening you can't have any symptoms, family history of someone having the disease and a few other can't haves.Medicaid will cover for preventative/routine but not diagnostic colonoscopies. You can find the list on the cancer Utah organization website.

  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    July 18, 2015 1:31 p.m.

    It is interesting to read the comments by some legislators and posters complaining about what the expansion might cost while the state refuses to disclose to the public the true costs of the legislators current health plan.If the current proposal is appropriate for others the legislators should change to the new plan.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    July 18, 2015 11:58 a.m.

    "Health care is a joke,"

    Try telling that to the millions of doctors and nurses out there.

    Try telling that to the millions of Americans who benefit from having modern-day health care.

    Try telling that to the thousands of Utahns who are suffering because our legislature has decided to make themselves gods and decide who lives and who dies.

    How many more Carol Frisbys must we have before our legislature wakes up?

  • humbug Syracuse/Davis, UT
    July 18, 2015 11:29 a.m.

    I'm grateful that the newspapers - DN and also Salt Lake Trib - have continued to provide coverage on this important issue. Without ongoing coverage, including about the woman who died recently from lack of health insurance, there would be no plan now. I'm grateful the newspapers are putting pressure on our Legislators to act. I'm grateful that people have sources to read and keep informed. Thank you, local newspapers!

  • Publius nota bene Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2015 9:52 a.m.

    My2Cents: >>"Health care is a joke, impossible joke to fool the left wing and undocumented forgign nationals that our country is so rich no one has to pay for anything or be accountable for anything."

    It's really a plot? That's how facile you make a complex issue? You challenge the motives and intelligence of those who think healthcare should be available and affordable to those who have to decide between shoes, education, food and healthcare? Those of us who have worked hard, had employer-paid health insurance our entire careers and support a healthcare system that helps all of our fellow citizens are just fools, even though our declared position is that spreading these costs for the low income citizens across all of us is a charitable, loving, AMERICAN thing to do.

    The rest of your post makes declarations without evidence, including

    >>"So far ACA is failure and this team of idiots is finding out for any government health care concept to work they have to regulate wages and incomes of the medical profession, its called totalitarian socialism."

    The comment >>"totalitarian socialism" makes a quantum leap without providing evidence.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    July 18, 2015 7:45 a.m.

    This is what the vast majority of Utahns want, sensible compromises. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'd like to know the details.

    DN subscriber

    Are you ready to give up your vastly subsidized medicare? How about your own subsidized insurance plan? If you are like most Americans you get your insurance through your employer and pay for it with pre tax dollars. That is a type of subsidy that gives the biggest "subsidy" to those in the highest tax brackets, the bigger your tax bracket the bigger your "subsidy". If government wants to pick winners and losers in healthcare, is that really the most sensible way to subsidize people and increase access?

    "Everyone will die eventually" Did you really just say that? Yes, even the working poor deserve to be able to take their kids or themselves to the hospital or doctor's office without preventable suffering and premature death. If people rack up out of necessity thousands of dollars in medical bills and declare bankruptcy, who do you think pays for that? Personally, I think there is a better way.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    July 18, 2015 7:39 a.m.

    How many more will die before our ideologically-bound legislature pull their collective heads from the proverbial sand and do something constructive on this issue. They should have passed Herbert's Healthy Utah plan in the first instance. Oh, how I long for a more balanced political climate in this state.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 18, 2015 7:12 a.m.

    The legislators want to be perfectly clear.

    The Utah version of the Obamacare Medicaid expansion is NOT Obamacare. it will be given some Utah unique name, and will have minor differences which will allow the legislators to claim that Utah's program is totally different from Obamacare.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    July 18, 2015 7:05 a.m.

    Dunnigan says " "For me, it's not political"! Give us a break Dunnigan, everything you have done, do now or will do on the expansion issue IS POLITICAL! Its all about covering yours and the rest of the gang's political backside.

    Now that what we have been saying, people are are dieing while you and your ilk are secretlly meeting, has now become a reality and in the media, it all of a sudden isn't political.

    The fact is Carol Frisby died waiting for health care, readily available by the stroke of a pen, but you, the Guv and the rest of the opposition sat by, continuing the dog and pony show, and now you tell us it isn't political.

    Stop talking Dunnigan, while you still have what little credibility you have left!

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    July 18, 2015 6:44 a.m.

    So the malarkey begins. Like the circus we went through to get semi-"Healthy Utah" approved we now jump through more hoops, waste more time and have more people suffer and die all so we can say we didn't take anything from the president. It's ridiculous. If only we had an smidgen of compassion for our fellow man, or the governor had an ounce of courage like the governor of Alaska. But no. $10,000 to the defense fund of someone convicted in federal court, no sweat. Lift a finger to help some of Utah's most needy, no way.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    July 18, 2015 6:19 a.m.

    I had the unfortunate experience of 2 Heart Ablation procedures. The first 18 months ago was not successful, the second is still being evaluated.
    Both times I was required to stay overnight to adjust my Warferin levels. The first Hospital bill was $65,000. This one was $130,000 which we are investigating "why". Both done in the same "for profit" hospital. Signing in, the admin office said I would be paying for myself and the next indigent patient because I have insurance. My policy costs my employer and me over $1300 a month. I thought it was in jest then, now not certain.
    What is needed is a Single Payer System. You can add a Supplemental provision if you like for the Cadillac policy, I do travel overseas on occasion.
    Everyone deserves a healthy life, goodness knows the environment is getting sicker like us. Lift the cap that is on Medicare or raise it to a level that funds the system fully. Earnings over about $125,000 are exempt. A healthy population can slave away more effectively working for those wanting to go back to the '30 or further.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    July 18, 2015 4:09 a.m.

    Conceptually free health care and medial care will not work in a democracy or where free enterprise economy is dependent on consumer participation. Enrollment into health acre insurance as a "choice" because the enrolled can afford to pay the insurance cost. Health care is a joke, impossible joke to fool the left wing and undocumented forgign nationals that our country is so rich no one has to pay for anything or be accountable for anything.

    Anti death advocates are relentless and unreasonable in their stupidity to think that free health care can or will work in the US economic of free enterprise. Hospitals and doctors are regulated on fixed incomes by laws. When government regulates doctors incomes you don't have any doctors.

    The Governor and legislators are trying to make lemonade out of lemons but all they get is sour apples. So far ACA is failure and this team of idiots is finding out for any government health care concept to work they have to regulate wages and incomes of the medical profession, its called totalitarian socialism. Governor Herbert must accept and forget government provided care, he can't control life and death with taxes.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    July 18, 2015 12:20 a.m.

    These Utah legislative leaders are getting a bit of the closed approach and pressure that fell on the Nuclear Iran negotiations it seems.

  • Publius nota bene Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2015 10:08 p.m.

    >> "Taking the bait of some money now, with guaranteed fewer dollars from the feds in the future is not solving anyone's healthcare."

    What basis do you have for claiming that this will not solve "anyone's healthcare[sic]." It will solve the healthcare issues of people who can't afford it.

    >> "Taxing Utah's hospitals and doctors is absurd, since that will immediately be added to patient's bills to cover the costs."

    So? That's how civilized societies insure that it's most vulnerable members receive the help that society can easily provide.

    >> "Everyone will die eventually, with or without Medicaid expansion."

    Even though that's a calloused, cynical sentiment it doesn't address or refute the compassion and the need to provide healthcare for longer, more comfortable lives to all of our fellow citizens. It's the Christian thing to do.

    Everyone dies with or without healthcare and health insurance. If that is your rational then should we just eliminate them altogether, too?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2015 9:30 p.m.

    "Never let a crisis go to waste." The unfortunate woman died of colon cancer, and so do hundred of Utahns, including those with money, and some on government assistance programs simply by not getting screenings for whatever reasons. It is not specifically a shortage of Medicaid eligibility.

    Taking the bait of some money now, with guaranteed fewer dollars from the feds in the future is not solving anyone's healthcare. With $19 trillion in current debts, there i no way the feds will be able to sustain any Medicaid (or Medicare or Social Security) payments at promised levels. To count on that is foolhardy.

    Taxing Utah's hospitals and doctors is absurd, since that will immediately be added to patient's bills to cover the costs.

    Expanding Medcaid provides not one more doctor, nurse or hospital to treat patients. In fact people on Medicaid are already being turned away by doctors are the payments do not cover the cost of treatments.

    Generously buying votes by expanding coverage to 138% of the poverty level is good politics but economic suicide.

    Everyone will die eventually, with or without Medicaid expansion. Schools, roads, environment and other priorities will all be consumed by unrestrained Medicaid expansion.