@ Spoc,Fascinating!Indeed.FYI, I served a two year
mission AND 20 years USAF. But, all falls under the Alaskan statistics. ;-)I have a Son-in-Law who also served a two year mission and is about 12 years
into his USArmy career.
To Utefan59:re: "the difference is that the President
acknowledged his mistake and apologized for it."Baloney. It was
not a mistake but a calculated move to deceive the American people long enough
to ram this monstrosity of a bill down the throats of citizens before they
realized the implications of the legislation. The left is following a very
carefully planned path to single payer. "Pass this bill so we can find out
what's in it" is part of the con job.You have bitten the
left's bait hook, line and sinker.
@raybiesObama shut down portions of the Government, not Lee or
Cruz.In fact Obama cherry picked what to shut down for maximum effect.
National Parks etc.Seriously, try getting yourself informed.If
interested in treasonous acts. Look to the man circumventing the US
Constitution every day and the one who rules by fiat.
If Romney challenges Lee then it will just prove that Romney's are not a
conservative after all.Romney should run for Governor and cut his teeth
there.Lee is the best thing the Senate has going for it.And Chaffetz
is the logical replacement for Orrin Hatch.Rubio is the next President and
the Romney's should no rock the boat. Leave carpet bagging Steve
I'll support any conservative who will shut down that lying no good POTUS
that has driven our country into a ditch......GO LEE!and always
remember it was MATHESON who gave us Obamacare!
As Mayor of Saratago Springs, Mia Love was more "qualified" than either
of these 2 guys to run for office.
Don't care for a family name, or how 'clean' a candidate looks,
or who the media is backing. Their decisions have effects and consequences on my
family and I will give my precious consent to whoever can provide tangible
evidence they're going to work for us. Words, image, and perceptions are
fine for selling cereal and clothes - not for choosing leaders.
@LDSareChristians - just read a military recruitment study on-line, and they
point to the reason states like California (and Utah) have lower rates are two
fold. 1) States with large in state military presence recruit better. Utah
has minimal military presence, and California's military footprint is
hugely diminished from historical levels. 2) States where young men and women
have multiple opportunities to do other things (education, employment - missions
in Utah's case) have the highest recruitment levels. Basically, if you
are in an economically disadvantaged area you are more likely to enlist. So
kids from Palo Alto aren't enlisting. Kids from East LA are. That is
why if you look at it at the state level, you get different pictures than if you
go more macro. So Net-net on California... seems there are two
reasons, the primary being that their are not kids desperate for opportunity in
California. And in Utah, economics has next to nothing to do if whether a kid
from the ward goes on a mission as the ward has the responsibility to fund that
Not even a Romney supporter--no way. Mike Lee is one of the great ones who
actually does something about the status quo of our
tizzy-wrapped-up-in-a-conundrum called Congress. We do not need another Orrin
I'll support any conservative that boots the traitorous mindless
government-shutdowning idealogues that Mike Lee panders to...
RINO's and CANNIBAL's: One has very poor vision and the other devours
his own genus. Establishment Republicans are prone to fit both descriptions.
Not a fan of Sen. Lee. I hope Romney will run or another strong candidate.
That Mike Lee is being bashed by the usual liberal commenters on this board is
totally predictable and yet another evidence that he is doing a great job. Well
done Senator Lee, keep it up!
@ GaryO ... Ummm, no, never mind, you have your stereotypes already set.Did the established Republican party throw their support behind anybody
that ran against Sen. Orrin Hatch or Sen. Bob Bennett when they were up for
re-election(s) ... No! ... But I will bet they will throw their support behind
whomever runs against Sen. Mike Lee.Well, I was informed why by a
Republican leader at a caucus meeting a few years ago "You vote the way the
party needs, so the party can have the power it needs." ... Party
Politics!No, I will vote according to my principles, values &
conscience for those that match them.Yes, I voted for Sen. Lee &
he has done quite well.
@LDSareChristians,I pulled up the same stat for the individual
services. That step Felis noted was almost non-existent for any of them. It also
says nothing about what motivates recruiting. Are recruits motivated by lack of
low skill employment opportunities? Are they just patriotic? Is it a feature of
heritage and culture? All three probably factor into the Guam numbers. It is not
a conservative vs liberal thing as my association with the Air Force would
suggest that they are more conservative than the general populous. And yet, on
the general recruits graph, conservative Utah and liberal California are right
@Redshirt...you say we have "death panels" by claiming "They just
have a happier name for it. Look up the duties of the Independent Payment
Advisory Board. They will determine what treatments are covered, and possibly
who gets the care."If that is your definition, then every
hospital and insurance company has had "death panels" for decades.
What, you thought before Obamacare that Intermountain Health just told doctors
"do what you want, no need for approvals from us"? Its fine that you
want to use that definition, but then be honest enough to acknowledge that every
insured person before ObamaCare was subject to death panels then as well.... and
even those not insured who showed up at a hospitals door.
FelisConcolor, wow, the chart is interesting. hummm.... so, while Utah has a
good explanation why rates are low, ie most LDS go on Missions, why does
California rate lower the Utah? What is their excuse per say?
@ USA lover, What did Matheson do? Well, he was a US Congressman for over a
I, like so many others, noticed yet again that so-called "liberals"
always support RINO's. That confirms my own judgment that such candidates
are a poor alternative to a man like Mike Lee. It didn't phase me one bit
when Mr Obama gave Orrin Hatch, Utah's favorite RINO, a plug in his recent
visit to Utah. Progressives and RINO's are on the same side and that is
the wrong side. Vote for Mike Lee!! Please.
The RINO wing of the Republican party IS the Repuclbican. It is the Tea Party
people who aren't really true Republicans.
Mike Lee's view of the Constitution is purely ideological. That's not
unusual, but it should be understood that he is NOT a constitutional scholar but
rather a constitutional polemicist. For example, he maintains that
the Constitution gives Congress no power to regulate child labor, and cites the
Supreme Court Hammer decision that agrees with him. However, he
fails to cite the later Supreme Court decision that overturned Hammer on the
grounds that the constitution gives Congress "broad power" to regulate
interstate commerce and the products thereof. A scholar would
account for different interpretations, but for Mike Lee there is only one true
For those dems criticizing the "family legacy" of Romney, clearly apply
the double standard to Matheson. So I pose the question to you libs, "Other
than being Scott's son, what did Matheson do to deserve the attention?"
Just some personal musings . . . I would love to look into the hearts of anyone
running for high national office and see why they want the office. Why do they
run? I am afraid I have lost trust in the "public servant" answer. I
would love to be less cynical, but I sincerely believe the large majority of
those seeking high political office have only a few things in mind--ego, power,
connection, unlimited perks. Why would Josh Romney or Jon Huntsman, Jr. seek a
Senate seat or Presidential office? Is his individual life not fulfilled now?
What do they really desire? As I said before, given Romney's background and
family name, I believe it can only be . . . the next step in trying to fill the
limitless, bottomless bucket . . . ego, power, connection, unlimited perks.
To "atl134" wow, the arrogance. How would liberals know what
independents are looking for? You do realize that most people identify as
conservative, so at best liberals may have an idea of what appeals to part of
the moderate group (second largest ideological group).If
conservatives all voted for the conservative candidate, the liberals would have
to persuade nearly 3/4 of the moderates just to get a tie.Plus, if
you look at history, more often than not, when a conservative candidate is up
against a liberal candidate, the conservative wins.To
"Utefan59" you do realize that the people are not signing up for
Obamacare because they like it. They are signing up because they are obeying
the law.But there are death panels. They just have a happier name
for it. Look up the duties of the Independent Payment Advisory Board. They
will determine what treatments are covered, and possibly who gets the care.Obamacare is, and will add to the deficit, and that is according to the
GAO.Obamacare will "bust state budgets", has a medicare
expansion that will cost states in a few years.Obamacare raised the
average cost of insurance by 42%.
"Of 55 states and territories, Utah ranks number 52 in the number of
military recruits per capita. Look it up."I did look it up. The
data are listed on a website called Statemaster. Guam has the highest
enlistment rate by far -- but that's not surprising, considering the small
population and the fact the main industry on the island is the US military.Otherwise, the data produce a nice smooth curve from highest to lowest
enlistment rates until you get to the final 8 states and territories, where it
drops suddenly by nearly 5-fold. This raises a statistical red flag, so I
clicked on the source -- the "National Priorities Project Database,
2004" -- and surprise, surprise, the link is 404.So, in summary,
your assertion is based on an 11 year-old study with obvious statistical
weaknesses, the primary source for which is no longer available. I know it
doesn't matter to you, but i'm pretty sure you're quoting a bogus
Senator Mike Lee is doing a fine job. I wasn't so sure at first, but
he's won me over. Josh Romney might do well to run for Senator Orrin
Hatch's seat instead. That would be a golden opportunity for him.
I can't believe the way Josh Romney is being attacked because his father is
wealthy. Pretty bigoted. Would you all say that John Kennedy had no right to
run because his father was wealthy? This is silly. I don't think those
who are attacking him know anything about him or his personal accomplishments.
@RedShirtCalTech"My question to the liberals is this, why should we
listen to your opinions about who conservatives should like? "Liberals can identify which candidate has more appeal to independents which
can matter if your choices are to lose or elect a so-called RINO. Not that it
matters much in deep red Utah, but nationally we were the ones saying that
Huntsman was the best the Republicans had (even Obama's advisers identified
Huntsman in early 2009 as the 2012 threat they were worried about... and then
they made him an ambassador which ruined him because conservatives hated him for
Mike Lee was elected on his father's name. Looks like Josh Romney will try
and do the same.
Nothing like doing the Kennedy thing and running on your family's name.
Mitt has accomplishments under his belt. What exactly has Josh Romney done?
I'm not saying he's a bad option at all, but he would need to show why
he'd be a worthy candidate if his name were Jones.
What a silly thoughtless article. Mike Lee has tremendous support from people
who love the U.S. Constitution. Mr. Romney the Younger has done nothing yet
other than be .... Mr. Romney the Younger.
Josh you were in my Bishopric at one time, but I won't vote for you. I
don't trust your dad politics and I think a lot of his politics may have
rubbed off on you.
It is funny to see all of the liberals complaining about Mike Lee. Of course
the liberals hate him. He represents the complete opposite viewpoint from them.
If the liberals loved him I would worry.My question to the liberals
is this, why should we listen to your opinions about who conservatives should
like? It is in your interest to have the least conservative senator in
office.Why do liberals hate a senator that has stood by his
principles while in Washington? We know how he will vote most of the time and
is very consistent. Do liberals want politicians who's opinion depends on
the direction of the political winds?
@ FT, I don't think Mike Lee is a Constitutional expert. It's like he
skipped his Con Law courses. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of
amendments and why that process was included, nor does he understand the role of
the courts and the principle of stare decisis.
Funny how the libs love to bash the non-RINOs. Yet you'll never see them
chastise the absolute scurrilous behavior of their own, such as
Majority-pervaricator Harry Reid, or President "If you like your doctor you
can keep your doctor" Obama. How about former Speaker"We have to pass
the bill before we can find out what's in it" Pelosi. Together, they
have cost the US, and Utah, more than any temporary loss the Lee supported
government shutdown may have caused. In addition, the manner in which Obama
chose to implement the sequestration was intended to cause as much pain as
possible. Anyone care to criticize that? Crickets.
Other than being the son of a wealthy man - what has Josh Romney done in his
life to deserve this attention.
Mike Lee may be a respected family man, Mormon church member, constitutional
expert and lawyer but it is clearly evident that he has been a terrible Senator.
He is divisive, ineffective, unresponsive and hypocritical. The people of Utah
will get an opportunity to vote him out next year and we need more candidates
willing to stand up to replace him.
In my view, Mike Lee is probably the worst Senator ever elected from Utah. That
being said, bringing up Mountain Meadows is uncalled for and unfair. Mike, even
though I think he is not well suited to be a Senator, cannot be held responsible
for what the people did at Mountain Meadows. Mike is related to a long line of
prominent leaders in both parties who all descended from John D. Lee, including
the Stew and Mo Udall, and Gordon Smith. Mike's father was, in my view, a
truly great man. It is a good family. That needs to be separated from
Mike's misguided actions and statements. Elect someone else, I beg of you,
Utah, but at least let's be fair.
Mike Lee certainly attracts attention, doesn't he?I suppose we can
elect more conventional candidates and get the same-ole, same-ole results
Hey There You Go Again,"Mountain Meadows? Good grief."I understand your sentiment.You seem to believe that
historical accuracy, context, and repeated patterns of behavior are not
pertinent to political analyses.I understand what you're
saying, but I disagree.
Mountain Meadows?I think Mike Lee has done a miserable job.Anyone would be better than Mike Lee...Even a Romney.Mountain Meadows?Good grief.
Anyone, but Lee would be nice. I hope he runs.Even if
he comes in second, at least Lee will hopefully understand that while many of
his constituents blindly follow, some of us have noticed and disapprove of his
Let's have Mitt or Josh run for Utah Governor.They'd win
Hey UteFan60 -" . . . Lee uses time "that should be spent
doing his Senate job" to write a book."Mike Lee is writing a
book huh? . . . Just following in Obama's footsteps I guess.One of Obama's books was called "Dreams from my Father."I would love to see Mike Lee writer a truly revealing book . . . "Dreams
from my Great, Great, Great Grandfather."The very most famous,
or infamous, individual in Mike Lee's lineage is his ancestor, John D Lee,
the only man to be held accountable for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. He was
shot by firing squad, but not before he blamed the whole thing on Brigham
Young.And that is the substructure of Mike Lee and his popularity.
Most of the Mountain Meadows mass murderers went on to attain great prestige and
respect after bravely fighting for Utah against the oppressive USA, as
represented by this wagon train of innocent civilians trying desperately to
cross Utah without being murdered.The ability of Utahns to deny
reality, and their ability to mentally transform their bad acts into noble deeds
is what makes it so easy for them to vote Republican.
I will support anyone from any party who runs against Lee.
Fun to watch the GOP eat their own young. The Mike Lee supporters are afraid
that "a Romney" might run and ruin their gripe on the radical Tea Party
deal that this state has been accustomed too. So they attack a guy from a good
family before he even makes his intentions known?I'll still
stick with Huntsman Senior's assessment. Mike Lee through his own actions
has shown himself to be an embarrassment to Utah. He damaged our economy with
his Government shutdown stunt.As many posters here will bad mouth
our duly elected President for taking time to go golfing, we need to examine why
Mike Lee took "personal time" to write a book on his views of the
Constitution. I have no gripe with our president using some time to
decompress, but the radical Tea Party posters here will bad mouth that. They
hypocritically remain silent when Lee uses time "that should be spent doing
his Senate job" to write a book.A Romney has just as much right
to run for government office.
""To be honest, the only numbers Sen. Lee is concerned about right now
are the number of Utahns being hurt by the failed policies of this
administration,".... To me that is the problem. Mike Lee is
letting his staff brand him as the "anti" candidate. That works really
well for the hard core "non-RINO" base, but for the majority of people
they want something more than someone who is just going to be against stuff.
Lee's rep goes on to say Lee has a positive agenda - but doesn't
enumerate at all what they positive agenda might be.There is always
going to be a segment of the population that has a negative bias on life, and
Lee is doing a good job of pandering to that crowd. But that only gets you so
far. Next election there will not be an anti-Obama platform to run on, and this
will be a challenge for Lee.I myself would be interested to see what
kind of campaign might run. He could be a good fit for an evolving Utah.
We should elect individual persons based on their merits and philosophy not
someone because they are from our chosen group of the day. Choosing someone
based on their race, religious denomination, veteran status and other broad
brush stroke can give you folks who are polar opposites of each other in the
policies they enact. Harry Reid and Mike Lee for example or Obama and Tim Scott
from South Carolina.
I guess Josh Romney would not be as bad, or as much of an embarrassment, as Lee
has been. Still, we need someone better than either of them -- someone who
would do a great job for Utah and would be a real defender of liberty and the
Constitution. We don't have that now, and we need that badly.
Mike Lee has done an excellent job and is one of the strongest champions of
liberty in the Senate and there is no reason at all for Utahans to replace
him—least of all with a Romney. If he wants to start a political career
let him do it at Orrin Hatch's expense instead. At least that way it's
6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other. Also, the fewer veterans running
for office, the better.
Mike Lee is doing a great job for the citizens of Utah--nothing to be ashamed
about when your senator isn't afraid to speak up and ruffle some feathers.
Hey None99 -"Why do we not have more veterans running for
office?". . . Well, because Utahns don't join the
military.They insist on massive, tragic, useless, and unfunded wars
. . . But as a rule, they don't join the military.Of 55
states and territories, Utah ranks number 52 in the number of military recruits
per capita. Look it up.Utahns, overwhelmingly
"Conservative," don't walk their talk . . . Do they?
Even though they won't come right out and say it - I get the very firm
impression that the RINO wing of the Republican party in Utah don't like
Mike Lee much. The same can be said of the media.For that reason I
would need to know the DETAILS of the "polling" that took place, i.e.,
how many voters were polled, what/how EXACTLY were the questions worded, and
most important, who PAID for the "polling".I'm more
than a little skeptical of the "polling" until I hear a few more
The last thing we need is another family dynasty or inexperienced leaders who
grew up in affluence, surrounded by unearned opportunities, and shielded from
overcoming real challenges in their lives, challenges most Americans have
experienced. Why do we not have more veterans running for office? Oh, I know,
because now you have to have millions or billions of dollars to run. Some