Poll: Josh Romney would be a tough opponent for Sen. Mike Lee

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  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    April 14, 2015 12:25 a.m.

    @ Spoc,

    Fascinating!Indeed.

    FYI, I served a two year mission AND 20 years USAF. But, all falls under the Alaskan statistics. ;-)
    I have a Son-in-Law who also served a two year mission and is about 12 years into his USArmy career.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    April 11, 2015 2:46 p.m.

    To Utefan59:

    re: "the difference is that the President acknowledged his mistake and apologized for it."

    Baloney. It was not a mistake but a calculated move to deceive the American people long enough to ram this monstrosity of a bill down the throats of citizens before they realized the implications of the legislation. The left is following a very carefully planned path to single payer. "Pass this bill so we can find out what's in it" is part of the con job.

    You have bitten the left's bait hook, line and sinker.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 11, 2015 2:15 p.m.

    @raybies

    Obama shut down portions of the Government, not Lee or Cruz.
    In fact Obama cherry picked what to shut down for maximum effect. National Parks etc.
    Seriously, try getting yourself informed.

    If interested in treasonous acts.
    Look to the man circumventing the US Constitution every day and the one who rules by fiat.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 11, 2015 2:10 p.m.

    If Romney challenges Lee then it will just prove that Romney's are not a conservative after all.
    Romney should run for Governor and cut his teeth there.
    Lee is the best thing the Senate has going for it.
    And Chaffetz is the logical replacement for Orrin Hatch.
    Rubio is the next President and the Romney's should no rock the boat.
    Leave carpet bagging Steve Ogden.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2015 11:31 a.m.

    I'll support any conservative who will shut down that lying no good POTUS that has driven our country into a ditch......GO LEE!

    and always remember it was MATHESON who gave us Obamacare!

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 10, 2015 9:51 a.m.

    As Mayor of Saratago Springs, Mia Love was more "qualified" than either of these 2 guys to run for office.

  • davidmpark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2015 7:15 a.m.

    Don't care for a family name, or how 'clean' a candidate looks, or who the media is backing. Their decisions have effects and consequences on my family and I will give my precious consent to whoever can provide tangible evidence they're going to work for us. Words, image, and perceptions are fine for selling cereal and clothes - not for choosing leaders.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 10, 2015 5:25 a.m.

    @LDSareChristians - just read a military recruitment study on-line, and they point to the reason states like California (and Utah) have lower rates are two fold. 1) States with large in state military presence recruit better. Utah has minimal military presence, and California's military footprint is hugely diminished from historical levels. 2) States where young men and women have multiple opportunities to do other things (education, employment - missions in Utah's case) have the highest recruitment levels. Basically, if you are in an economically disadvantaged area you are more likely to enlist. So kids from Palo Alto aren't enlisting. Kids from East LA are. That is why if you look at it at the state level, you get different pictures than if you go more macro.

    So Net-net on California... seems there are two reasons, the primary being that their are not kids desperate for opportunity in California. And in Utah, economics has next to nothing to do if whether a kid from the ward goes on a mission as the ward has the responsibility to fund that mission.

  • Chasey San Antonio, TX
    April 9, 2015 10:59 p.m.

    Not even a Romney supporter--no way. Mike Lee is one of the great ones who actually does something about the status quo of our tizzy-wrapped-up-in-a-conundrum called Congress. We do not need another Orrin Hatch.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    April 9, 2015 10:13 p.m.

    I'll support any conservative that boots the traitorous mindless government-shutdowning idealogues that Mike Lee panders to...

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    April 9, 2015 9:27 p.m.

    RINO's and CANNIBAL's: One has very poor vision and the other devours his own genus. Establishment Republicans are prone to fit both descriptions.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    April 9, 2015 9:16 p.m.

    Not a fan of Sen. Lee. I hope Romney will run or another strong candidate.

  • Samuel Adams Layton, UT
    April 9, 2015 7:13 p.m.

    That Mike Lee is being bashed by the usual liberal commenters on this board is totally predictable and yet another evidence that he is doing a great job. Well done Senator Lee, keep it up!

  • Pig Frizzle Tremonton, UT
    April 9, 2015 6:00 p.m.

    @ GaryO ... Ummm, no, never mind, you have your stereotypes already set.

    Did the established Republican party throw their support behind anybody that ran against Sen. Orrin Hatch or Sen. Bob Bennett when they were up for re-election(s) ... No! ... But I will bet they will throw their support behind whomever runs against Sen. Mike Lee.

    Well, I was informed why by a Republican leader at a caucus meeting a few years ago "You vote the way the party needs, so the party can have the power it needs." ... Party Politics!

    No, I will vote according to my principles, values & conscience for those that match them.

    Yes, I voted for Sen. Lee & he has done quite well.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    April 9, 2015 5:55 p.m.

    @LDSareChristians,

    I pulled up the same stat for the individual services. That step Felis noted was almost non-existent for any of them. It also says nothing about what motivates recruiting. Are recruits motivated by lack of low skill employment opportunities? Are they just patriotic? Is it a feature of heritage and culture? All three probably factor into the Guam numbers. It is not a conservative vs liberal thing as my association with the Air Force would suggest that they are more conservative than the general populous. And yet, on the general recruits graph, conservative Utah and liberal California are right there together.

    Fascinating!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 9, 2015 5:33 p.m.

    @Redshirt...you say we have "death panels" by claiming "They just have a happier name for it. Look up the duties of the Independent Payment Advisory Board. They will determine what treatments are covered, and possibly who gets the care."

    If that is your definition, then every hospital and insurance company has had "death panels" for decades. What, you thought before Obamacare that Intermountain Health just told doctors "do what you want, no need for approvals from us"? Its fine that you want to use that definition, but then be honest enough to acknowledge that every insured person before ObamaCare was subject to death panels then as well.... and even those not insured who showed up at a hospitals door.

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    April 9, 2015 3:29 p.m.

    FelisConcolor, wow, the chart is interesting. hummm.... so, while Utah has a good explanation why rates are low, ie most LDS go on Missions, why does California rate lower the Utah? What is their excuse per say?

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    April 9, 2015 3:22 p.m.

    @ USA lover, What did Matheson do? Well, he was a US Congressman for over a decade.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    April 9, 2015 3:06 p.m.

    I, like so many others, noticed yet again that so-called "liberals" always support RINO's. That confirms my own judgment that such candidates are a poor alternative to a man like Mike Lee. It didn't phase me one bit when Mr Obama gave Orrin Hatch, Utah's favorite RINO, a plug in his recent visit to Utah. Progressives and RINO's are on the same side and that is the wrong side. Vote for Mike Lee!! Please.

  • james d. morrison Boise, ID
    April 9, 2015 2:51 p.m.

    The RINO wing of the Republican party IS the Repuclbican. It is the Tea Party people who aren't really true Republicans.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    April 9, 2015 2:02 p.m.

    Mike Lee's view of the Constitution is purely ideological. That's not unusual, but it should be understood that he is NOT a constitutional scholar but rather a constitutional polemicist.

    For example, he maintains that the Constitution gives Congress no power to regulate child labor, and cites the Supreme Court Hammer decision that agrees with him.

    However, he fails to cite the later Supreme Court decision that overturned Hammer on the grounds that the constitution gives Congress "broad power" to regulate interstate commerce and the products thereof.

    A scholar would account for different interpretations, but for Mike Lee there is only one true interpretation--his own.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2015 1:30 p.m.

    For those dems criticizing the "family legacy" of Romney, clearly apply the double standard to Matheson. So I pose the question to you libs, "Other than being Scott's son, what did Matheson do to deserve the attention?"

  • Big Al Chandler, AZ
    April 9, 2015 1:28 p.m.

    Just some personal musings . . . I would love to look into the hearts of anyone running for high national office and see why they want the office. Why do they run? I am afraid I have lost trust in the "public servant" answer. I would love to be less cynical, but I sincerely believe the large majority of those seeking high political office have only a few things in mind--ego, power, connection, unlimited perks. Why would Josh Romney or Jon Huntsman, Jr. seek a Senate seat or Presidential office? Is his individual life not fulfilled now? What do they really desire? As I said before, given Romney's background and family name, I believe it can only be . . . the next step in trying to fill the limitless, bottomless bucket . . . ego, power, connection, unlimited perks.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    April 9, 2015 1:13 p.m.

    To "atl134" wow, the arrogance. How would liberals know what independents are looking for? You do realize that most people identify as conservative, so at best liberals may have an idea of what appeals to part of the moderate group (second largest ideological group).

    If conservatives all voted for the conservative candidate, the liberals would have to persuade nearly 3/4 of the moderates just to get a tie.

    Plus, if you look at history, more often than not, when a conservative candidate is up against a liberal candidate, the conservative wins.

    To "Utefan59" you do realize that the people are not signing up for Obamacare because they like it. They are signing up because they are obeying the law.

    But there are death panels. They just have a happier name for it. Look up the duties of the Independent Payment Advisory Board. They will determine what treatments are covered, and possibly who gets the care.

    Obamacare is, and will add to the deficit, and that is according to the GAO.

    Obamacare will "bust state budgets", has a medicare expansion that will cost states in a few years.

    Obamacare raised the average cost of insurance by 42%.

  • FelisConcolor Layton, UT
    April 9, 2015 1:12 p.m.

    "Of 55 states and territories, Utah ranks number 52 in the number of military recruits per capita. Look it up."

    I did look it up. The data are listed on a website called Statemaster. Guam has the highest enlistment rate by far -- but that's not surprising, considering the small population and the fact the main industry on the island is the US military.

    Otherwise, the data produce a nice smooth curve from highest to lowest enlistment rates until you get to the final 8 states and territories, where it drops suddenly by nearly 5-fold. This raises a statistical red flag, so I clicked on the source -- the "National Priorities Project Database, 2004" -- and surprise, surprise, the link is 404.

    So, in summary, your assertion is based on an 11 year-old study with obvious statistical weaknesses, the primary source for which is no longer available. I know it doesn't matter to you, but i'm pretty sure you're quoting a bogus statistic.

  • Herbal Tea Partier Taylorsville, UT
    April 9, 2015 1:10 p.m.

    Senator Mike Lee is doing a fine job. I wasn't so sure at first, but he's won me over. Josh Romney might do well to run for Senator Orrin Hatch's seat instead. That would be a golden opportunity for him.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 9, 2015 12:50 p.m.

    I can't believe the way Josh Romney is being attacked because his father is wealthy. Pretty bigoted. Would you all say that John Kennedy had no right to run because his father was wealthy? This is silly. I don't think those who are attacking him know anything about him or his personal accomplishments.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2015 12:08 p.m.

    @RedShirtCalTech
    "My question to the liberals is this, why should we listen to your opinions about who conservatives should like? "

    Liberals can identify which candidate has more appeal to independents which can matter if your choices are to lose or elect a so-called RINO. Not that it matters much in deep red Utah, but nationally we were the ones saying that Huntsman was the best the Republicans had (even Obama's advisers identified Huntsman in early 2009 as the 2012 threat they were worried about... and then they made him an ambassador which ruined him because conservatives hated him for accepting that).

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    April 9, 2015 11:43 a.m.

    Mike Lee was elected on his father's name. Looks like Josh Romney will try and do the same.

  • SlickMick Ashburn, VA
    April 9, 2015 11:33 a.m.

    Nothing like doing the Kennedy thing and running on your family's name. Mitt has accomplishments under his belt. What exactly has Josh Romney done? I'm not saying he's a bad option at all, but he would need to show why he'd be a worthy candidate if his name were Jones.

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    April 9, 2015 11:26 a.m.

    What a silly thoughtless article. Mike Lee has tremendous support from people who love the U.S. Constitution. Mr. Romney the Younger has done nothing yet other than be .... Mr. Romney the Younger.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    April 9, 2015 11:24 a.m.

    Josh you were in my Bishopric at one time, but I won't vote for you. I don't trust your dad politics and I think a lot of his politics may have rubbed off on you.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    April 9, 2015 11:11 a.m.

    It is funny to see all of the liberals complaining about Mike Lee. Of course the liberals hate him. He represents the complete opposite viewpoint from them. If the liberals loved him I would worry.

    My question to the liberals is this, why should we listen to your opinions about who conservatives should like? It is in your interest to have the least conservative senator in office.

    Why do liberals hate a senator that has stood by his principles while in Washington? We know how he will vote most of the time and is very consistent. Do liberals want politicians who's opinion depends on the direction of the political winds?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 9, 2015 10:31 a.m.

    @ FT, I don't think Mike Lee is a Constitutional expert. It's like he skipped his Con Law courses. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of amendments and why that process was included, nor does he understand the role of the courts and the principle of stare decisis.

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    April 9, 2015 10:23 a.m.

    Funny how the libs love to bash the non-RINOs. Yet you'll never see them chastise the absolute scurrilous behavior of their own, such as Majority-pervaricator Harry Reid, or President "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" Obama. How about former Speaker"We have to pass the bill before we can find out what's in it" Pelosi. Together, they have cost the US, and Utah, more than any temporary loss the Lee supported government shutdown may have caused. In addition, the manner in which Obama chose to implement the sequestration was intended to cause as much pain as possible. Anyone care to criticize that? Crickets.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    April 9, 2015 10:13 a.m.

    Other than being the son of a wealthy man - what has Josh Romney done in his life to deserve this attention.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 9, 2015 9:43 a.m.

    Mike Lee may be a respected family man, Mormon church member, constitutional expert and lawyer but it is clearly evident that he has been a terrible Senator. He is divisive, ineffective, unresponsive and hypocritical. The people of Utah will get an opportunity to vote him out next year and we need more candidates willing to stand up to replace him.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 9, 2015 9:23 a.m.

    In my view, Mike Lee is probably the worst Senator ever elected from Utah. That being said, bringing up Mountain Meadows is uncalled for and unfair. Mike, even though I think he is not well suited to be a Senator, cannot be held responsible for what the people did at Mountain Meadows. Mike is related to a long line of prominent leaders in both parties who all descended from John D. Lee, including the Stew and Mo Udall, and Gordon Smith. Mike's father was, in my view, a truly great man. It is a good family. That needs to be separated from Mike's misguided actions and statements. Elect someone else, I beg of you, Utah, but at least let's be fair.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 9, 2015 9:11 a.m.

    Mike Lee certainly attracts attention, doesn't he?
    I suppose we can elect more conventional candidates and get the same-ole, same-ole results

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 9, 2015 9:06 a.m.

    Hey There You Go Again,

    "Mountain Meadows? Good grief."

    I understand your sentiment.

    You seem to believe that historical accuracy, context, and repeated patterns of behavior are not pertinent to political analyses.

    I understand what you're saying, but I disagree.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    April 9, 2015 8:54 a.m.

    Mountain Meadows?

    I think Mike Lee has done a miserable job.

    Anyone would be better than Mike Lee...

    Even a Romney.

    Mountain Meadows?

    Good grief.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    April 9, 2015 8:48 a.m.

    Anyone, but Lee would be nice.

    I hope he runs.

    Even if he comes in second, at least Lee will hopefully understand that while many of his constituents blindly follow, some of us have noticed and disapprove of his behavior.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    April 9, 2015 8:44 a.m.

    Let's have Mitt or Josh run for Utah Governor.

    They'd win for sure.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 9, 2015 8:21 a.m.

    Hey UteFan60 -

    " . . . Lee uses time "that should be spent doing his Senate job" to write a book."

    Mike Lee is writing a book huh? . . . Just following in Obama's footsteps I guess.

    One of Obama's books was called "Dreams from my Father."

    I would love to see Mike Lee writer a truly revealing book . . . "Dreams from my Great, Great, Great Grandfather."

    The very most famous, or infamous, individual in Mike Lee's lineage is his ancestor, John D Lee, the only man to be held accountable for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. He was shot by firing squad, but not before he blamed the whole thing on Brigham Young.

    And that is the substructure of Mike Lee and his popularity. Most of the Mountain Meadows mass murderers went on to attain great prestige and respect after bravely fighting for Utah against the oppressive USA, as represented by this wagon train of innocent civilians trying desperately to cross Utah without being murdered.

    The ability of Utahns to deny reality, and their ability to mentally transform their bad acts into noble deeds is what makes it so easy for them to vote Republican.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    April 9, 2015 8:03 a.m.

    I will support anyone from any party who runs against Lee.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2015 6:30 a.m.

    Fun to watch the GOP eat their own young. The Mike Lee supporters are afraid that "a Romney" might run and ruin their gripe on the radical Tea Party deal that this state has been accustomed too. So they attack a guy from a good family before he even makes his intentions known?

    I'll still stick with Huntsman Senior's assessment. Mike Lee through his own actions has shown himself to be an embarrassment to Utah. He damaged our economy with his Government shutdown stunt.

    As many posters here will bad mouth our duly elected President for taking time to go golfing, we need to examine why Mike Lee took "personal time" to write a book on his views of the Constitution.

    I have no gripe with our president using some time to decompress, but the radical Tea Party posters here will bad mouth that. They hypocritically remain silent when Lee uses time "that should be spent doing his Senate job" to write a book.

    A Romney has just as much right to run for government office.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 9, 2015 6:02 a.m.

    ""To be honest, the only numbers Sen. Lee is concerned about right now are the number of Utahns being hurt by the failed policies of this administration,"....

    To me that is the problem. Mike Lee is letting his staff brand him as the "anti" candidate. That works really well for the hard core "non-RINO" base, but for the majority of people they want something more than someone who is just going to be against stuff. Lee's rep goes on to say Lee has a positive agenda - but doesn't enumerate at all what they positive agenda might be.

    There is always going to be a segment of the population that has a negative bias on life, and Lee is doing a good job of pandering to that crowd. But that only gets you so far. Next election there will not be an anti-Obama platform to run on, and this will be a challenge for Lee.

    I myself would be interested to see what kind of campaign might run. He could be a good fit for an evolving Utah.

  • Samuel Adams Layton, UT
    April 9, 2015 4:49 a.m.

    We should elect individual persons based on their merits and philosophy not someone because they are from our chosen group of the day. Choosing someone based on their race, religious denomination, veteran status and other broad brush stroke can give you folks who are polar opposites of each other in the policies they enact. Harry Reid and Mike Lee for example or Obama and Tim Scott from South Carolina.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    April 9, 2015 4:38 a.m.

    I guess Josh Romney would not be as bad, or as much of an embarrassment, as Lee has been. Still, we need someone better than either of them -- someone who would do a great job for Utah and would be a real defender of liberty and the Constitution. We don't have that now, and we need that badly.

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    April 8, 2015 9:04 p.m.

    Mike Lee has done an excellent job and is one of the strongest champions of liberty in the Senate and there is no reason at all for Utahans to replace him—least of all with a Romney. If he wants to start a political career let him do it at Orrin Hatch's expense instead. At least that way it's 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other.

    Also, the fewer veterans running for office, the better.

  • Marigold Provo, UT
    April 8, 2015 8:49 p.m.

    Mike Lee is doing a great job for the citizens of Utah--nothing to be ashamed about when your senator isn't afraid to speak up and ruffle some feathers.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 8, 2015 8:42 p.m.

    Hey None99 -

    "Why do we not have more veterans running for office?"

    . . . Well, because Utahns don't join the military.

    They insist on massive, tragic, useless, and unfunded wars . . . But as a rule, they don't join the military.

    Of 55 states and territories, Utah ranks number 52 in the number of military recruits per capita. Look it up.

    Utahns, overwhelmingly "Conservative," don't walk their talk . . . Do they?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2015 7:57 p.m.

    Even though they won't come right out and say it - I get the very firm impression that the RINO wing of the Republican party in Utah don't like Mike Lee much. The same can be said of the media.

    For that reason I would need to know the DETAILS of the "polling" that took place, i.e., how many voters were polled, what/how EXACTLY were the questions worded, and most important, who PAID for the "polling".

    I'm more than a little skeptical of the "polling" until I hear a few more details.

  • None99 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2015 7:29 p.m.

    The last thing we need is another family dynasty or inexperienced leaders who grew up in affluence, surrounded by unearned opportunities, and shielded from overcoming real challenges in their lives, challenges most Americans have experienced. Why do we not have more veterans running for office? Oh, I know, because now you have to have millions or billions of dollars to run. Some democracy!