What the Bush family can teach us about religion and family life

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  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 10, 2015 5:37 p.m.

    Correction:

    Many of them did [NOT] have s great love for the organized religions of the day,...

    That puts those out of context quotes into some context.

    They believed in God they had trouble with the man-made sects of the day. Still they went church, read the bible, read the scriptures, and continued to have faith. And believed God would and did help them in their affairs.

    Nope. Not deists.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    June 9, 2015 10:10 p.m.

    @the truth – “Anyone can take phrases and quotes out of context, and twist their intent.”

    I understand the cognitive dissonance these quotes can cause for anyone who was raised to believe our founders were deeply religious and perhaps even inspired by God when chartering our nation.

    I apologize for causing any pain, but wouldn’t you rather struggle to make sense of the truth than live comfortably with a lie?

    As for context, please read the quotes again and even the source material they came from to see the context for yourself. I think you’ll find the meaning largely unchanged.

    The founders I quoted were all deists and were deeply distrustful of organized religion as well as dismayed by the track record of religion throughout the history of the world, especially the Dark Ages and endless religious wars of Europe.

    This led them to create the first governing charter in history that was free of any reference to God or the supernatural, and the ratification process defeated all attempts to insert God into the Constitution.

    I’m grateful every day to be the beneficiary of these great men’s thoughts and deeds.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 9, 2015 6:03 p.m.

    @ Tyler D

    No one can not answer your question to 'the greater truth' without the full context.

    But one can give a thousand quotes of the founding fathers quite supportive and positive of religion and God and faith.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 9, 2015 6:00 p.m.

    @Tyler D

    Anyone can take phrases and quotes out of context, and twist their intent.

    Many of them did have great love for the organized religions of the day, and did not believe any of them were the true Church of God and Christ.

    But yet they still attended church regularly and read their scriptures and prayed, and lived religious and moral lives.

    One should truly study the lives of the founding fathers and their writings in total. And then you would know who they are and not what some progressive wants you to think.

    You will know the religious and faithful men they were.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    June 9, 2015 12:48 p.m.

    @the greater truth – “They believed in a caring God who intervened in their affairs…”

    That’s the beauty of the information age; the truth is just a click away. But let me ask you this: do these sound like the words of men who fit your description?

    “Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretense of miracle or mystery.” John Adams

    “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Lighthouses are more useful than churches.” Benjamin Franklin

    "The United States in is no sense founded upon the Christian religion." George Washington

    "I disbelieve all holy men and holy books." Thomas Paine

    "Religions are all alike, founded upon fables and myths." Thomas Jefferson

    "In no instance have churches been the guardians of the liberties of the people." James Madison

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."- Ben Franklin

    "The Christian god is cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust." Thomas Jefferson

    "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    June 9, 2015 12:02 p.m.

    The most important thing to learn from the Bushs is.stay away from Dick Cheney and cohorts.

  • the greater truth Bountiful, UT
    June 8, 2015 6:27 p.m.

    @Tyler D

    The founding fathers were not deist nor atheists.

    Any one who knows the definition of deist knows that is so.

    Please stop with the progressive lies about our founding fathers.

    They believed in a caring God who intervened in their affairs, and were regular church attenders, an studiers of the scriptures through out their lives.

    It was their strong religiosity that drove them to fight for an independent america and the founding of a truly free country.

    Even Thomas Paine came to realize this when he saw the difference in the lack of religion and spirituality in the french revolution.

    Religious freedom and liberty and a religious and moral people is what sets this country apart from all the others.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    June 8, 2015 1:02 p.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap – “Yeah more world leaders of the same faith as Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Kim Jong-Un is just this world needs.”

    The world is filled with moral atheists. If you doubt this, please visit the lovely people of Norway, Canada, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, France, New Zealand, among other counties, where the majority of the populations are atheist or agnostic.

    Also, many of our Founding Fathers were Deists, which for all practical purpose is the same as being atheist. Based on much of what they wrote, my guess is that many were in fact atheists but recognized that to declare so at that time would have been political as well as social suicide – the later life of the great American Thomas Paine suggests their fears were well justified.

    Finally, you seem to be under the impression that being an atheist tells us something about a person’s “earthly” views or character – it does not. Atheism simply tells you what someone is not (i.e., a religious believer), not what they are.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 8, 2015 12:14 p.m.

    Yeah more world leaders of the same faith as Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Kim Jong-Un is just this world needs.

  • OneHumanFamily Provo, UT
    June 8, 2015 11:48 a.m.

    I do not think American protestants and catholics are that different.

    When someone from the Bush family becomes Muslim or atheist, then maybe they can teach us something other than how to destabilize a region of the world.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    June 8, 2015 9:04 a.m.

    @Fullypresent – “Everyone does not have to have the same beliefs in a family or a community.”

    Agreed!

    Hopefully someday we may elect someone from the most (currently) unelectable group in the country – atheists.

    Around the time of our founding, we used to elect these guys all the time (they were called Deists back then), until the early 1800’s brought about the 2nd Great Awakening and the resurgence of religious domination in the politics.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2015 10:04 p.m.

    Great article about how there is room for everyone. Everyone does not have to have the same beliefs in a family or a community.