I guess John did not *read* the article!It was a Democrat who
proposed the legislation!
I thought Republicans believed in free trade and open markets. Limiting the
bidding to those on the "right" side of a border is just another
artificial barrier creating inefficiency and higher costs in the name of
It would seem a bit hypocritical for the state to take this position from my
point of view. The PRADA Board hired a consulting group from Florida to provide
data for the relocation of the prison. The current Prison Relocation Commission
extended the Florida consultant's contract. The Legislature has spent a
few million on this Florida consultation firm, yet they want to limit
construction to Utah contractors and architects? Hypocritical in my book. But
I can't say that it is only the Legislature that is hypocritical. The
Executive Branch hired the director of DFCM from not only out of state, but out
of the country. (for those that do not know what DFCM's role is, they
purchase the property, award contracts for architects and contractors, manage
the design and construction of the projects; and manage state facilities.) Lots
of hypocrisy, sometimes quite costly, with State government, from my point of
Re Neil TSince I don't have a clear picture of what you are
talking about these are my comments.1) Is what you are talking about
fixable for less than the cost of building a new prison?2) If the
prison ever needs expansion, I like your idea of satellite prisons .. instead of
This would be a good idea if moving the prison were necessary or a good idea.
True cost for relocating the prison is more than a $BILLION. What a monumental
waste of taxpayer dollars--even more so if they move the prison from one high
growth area to another high growth area. What a mess.
Trickery at its best with a propaganda and lie of this nature. The state and
federal labor law also requires that any employee, contractor and his employees
must all be citizens of the United States. Residence is not a qualifier for
employment even if welfare says it qualifies the welfare funding for occupation
by the mexican nationals. This committee has issued a trick lie in
that this grants all contractors and employers working for the state can and
will employ all the illegal alien Mexican nationals in droves to cheat the
taxpayers out of income taxes over americans not to be considered employable
workers. These legislators have demonstrated their contempt for the
minimum wages and putting americans to work with wage of $2.13/hr. This
propaganda report gives all business in Utah the green light to put to work all
the tens of thousands mexican nationals who occupy this state looting and
pilfering. The pursuit of happiness is not Mexican nationals right
or looting this country and Utah.Of course all the materials will be
from China instead of the USA. The $450+ million materials cost be given to US
manufacturers and industry.
CJB I worked at USP for five years. I will never forget the first time I saw
A block. It looked like a medieval dungeon and that was in the mid eighties.
All an inmate had to do was lift the door of the track and they could easily be
free to roam the block. I know for a fact that it happened all the time. Drugs
were easily passed back and forth between cells. The prison was moved during
the fifties making it approximately sixty years old. No it is not adequate. I
am amazed at the misinformation the public has about prisons and what goes
onside there. Think about the employees that have to work inside antiquated
facilities. The real solution is several satellite prisons like Gunnison. Why
is this never discussed.?
The legislature keeps acting like relocating the prison is a done deal - maybe
it is and we tax-paying citizens just don't realize it! What happened to
the "still under consideration" part of the deal???
@mightyhunterhaha - It is not as important for the contractor to know how to
build a prison as it is for the architect to know how to design a prison. The
contractor builds from the plans.
@mightyhunterhahaBut if the builder isn't a local company there
won't be any chance of kickbacks.Wait...never mind.
When are they going to admit there is no need to move the current prison? This
is all just a scam for contractors to make a killing.
If you want the legislature to listen to you, stop voting for them. Elect a few
Democrats, and all of the sudden they will start listening to you.
What if the this money were spent on Utah workers building low cost housing and
part of that money put into a trust to maintain that housing? This is a prison
we really don't need. The one we have now really does do the job it was
designed to do.
On January 24, 2014, Deseret News published an article on the different options
for moving the prison. This is a direct quote from that article: "Estimated
construction costs are $942 million." Now they are trying to say $500
million. What changed? How much do you wanna bet the costs will go up once
construction actually starts? The developers will make a ton, and the taxpayers
will foot the bill. And every Utah legislator that votes for this will still get
re-elected, and they know it.
One huge problem with this idea. The construction company chosen needs to
understand prisons and how to build them. If this does not occur expect long
delays and increased costs to the State. I really don't know of a firm in
Utah who has this experience.
Have you noticed the beautiful, new public buildings around town? Police
stations, libraries, courts, town halls...Why, they put the private sector
to shame.But is there a real advantage to public projects? Don't
these projects just increase the indebtedness of already expensive budgets
(read: taxpayer liabilities).I see this move as an effort to sweeten the
pot of the prison move proposal.My feeling is to keep it in Draper and add
on if needed.