Committee approves resolution calling for Utah workers to build new prison

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  • Patrician Trumbull, CT
    Feb. 23, 2015 11:01 a.m.

    I guess John did not *read* the article!

    It was a Democrat who proposed the legislation!

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 21, 2015 10:50 p.m.

    I thought Republicans believed in free trade and open markets. Limiting the bidding to those on the "right" side of a border is just another artificial barrier creating inefficiency and higher costs in the name of protectionism.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    Feb. 21, 2015 1:08 p.m.

    It would seem a bit hypocritical for the state to take this position from my point of view. The PRADA Board hired a consulting group from Florida to provide data for the relocation of the prison. The current Prison Relocation Commission extended the Florida consultant's contract. The Legislature has spent a few million on this Florida consultation firm, yet they want to limit construction to Utah contractors and architects? Hypocritical in my book. But I can't say that it is only the Legislature that is hypocritical. The Executive Branch hired the director of DFCM from not only out of state, but out of the country. (for those that do not know what DFCM's role is, they purchase the property, award contracts for architects and contractors, manage the design and construction of the projects; and manage state facilities.) Lots of hypocrisy, sometimes quite costly, with State government, from my point of view.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 21, 2015 7:35 a.m.

    Re Neil T

    Since I don't have a clear picture of what you are talking about these are my comments.

    1) Is what you are talking about fixable for less than the cost of building a new prison?

    2) If the prison ever needs expansion, I like your idea of satellite prisons .. instead of expansion.

  • Swaney44 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 21, 2015 6:34 a.m.

    This would be a good idea if moving the prison were necessary or a good idea. True cost for relocating the prison is more than a $BILLION. What a monumental waste of taxpayer dollars--even more so if they move the prison from one high growth area to another high growth area. What a mess.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2015 4:59 a.m.

    Trickery at its best with a propaganda and lie of this nature. The state and federal labor law also requires that any employee, contractor and his employees must all be citizens of the United States. Residence is not a qualifier for employment even if welfare says it qualifies the welfare funding for occupation by the mexican nationals.

    This committee has issued a trick lie in that this grants all contractors and employers working for the state can and will employ all the illegal alien Mexican nationals in droves to cheat the taxpayers out of income taxes over americans not to be considered employable workers.

    These legislators have demonstrated their contempt for the minimum wages and putting americans to work with wage of $2.13/hr. This propaganda report gives all business in Utah the green light to put to work all the tens of thousands mexican nationals who occupy this state looting and pilfering.

    The pursuit of happiness is not Mexican nationals right or looting this country and Utah.

    Of course all the materials will be from China instead of the USA. The $450+ million materials cost be given to US manufacturers and industry.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 10:41 p.m.

    CJB I worked at USP for five years. I will never forget the first time I saw A block. It looked like a medieval dungeon and that was in the mid eighties. All an inmate had to do was lift the door of the track and they could easily be free to roam the block. I know for a fact that it happened all the time. Drugs were easily passed back and forth between cells. The prison was moved during the fifties making it approximately sixty years old. No it is not adequate. I am amazed at the misinformation the public has about prisons and what goes onside there. Think about the employees that have to work inside antiquated facilities. The real solution is several satellite prisons like Gunnison. Why is this never discussed.?

  • SLC Grandma Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 6:06 p.m.

    The legislature keeps acting like relocating the prison is a done deal - maybe it is and we tax-paying citizens just don't realize it! What happened to the "still under consideration" part of the deal???

  • Vegas POV Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 20, 2015 5:00 p.m.

    @mightyhunterhaha - It is not as important for the contractor to know how to build a prison as it is for the architect to know how to design a prison. The contractor builds from the plans.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 1:17 p.m.

    But if the builder isn't a local company there won't be any chance of kickbacks.
    Wait...never mind.

  • DrGroovey Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 12:40 p.m.

    When are they going to admit there is no need to move the current prison? This is all just a scam for contractors to make a killing.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 12:12 p.m.

    If you want the legislature to listen to you, stop voting for them. Elect a few Democrats, and all of the sudden they will start listening to you.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 11:10 a.m.

    What if the this money were spent on Utah workers building low cost housing and part of that money put into a trust to maintain that housing? This is a prison we really don't need. The one we have now really does do the job it was designed to do.

    Feb. 20, 2015 11:05 a.m.

    On January 24, 2014, Deseret News published an article on the different options for moving the prison. This is a direct quote from that article: "Estimated construction costs are $942 million." Now they are trying to say $500 million. What changed? How much do you wanna bet the costs will go up once construction actually starts? The developers will make a ton, and the taxpayers will foot the bill. And every Utah legislator that votes for this will still get re-elected, and they know it.

  • mightyhunterhaha Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 11:02 a.m.

    One huge problem with this idea. The construction company chosen needs to understand prisons and how to build them. If this does not occur expect long delays and increased costs to the State. I really don't know of a firm in Utah who has this experience.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 9:40 a.m.

    Have you noticed the beautiful, new public buildings around town? Police stations, libraries, courts, town halls...
    Why, they put the private sector to shame.
    But is there a real advantage to public projects? Don't these projects just increase the indebtedness of already expensive budgets (read: taxpayer liabilities).
    I see this move as an effort to sweeten the pot of the prison move proposal.
    My feeling is to keep it in Draper and add on if needed.