There are religions that do not vaccinate. There are many religions that do not
vaccinate. I belong to the Saint Germain Foundation, a religious organization,
established in 1930, and we do not vaccinate. Everyone has a right to their
religious beliefs. No one should be biased, and everyone should look at both
sides, especially journalists. My children are 26 and 37 and they were not
vaccinated, and they are alive and well, and were very healthy and happy as
children in the public school system. Research is required for a good debate,
one must look at both sides and the evidence that is presented. I,,
unfortunately, have been bullied for my religious convictions as of late. I hope
people will respect the wishes of others especially if it is a religious rule
I have a PhD in systems ecology. 10 years of chemistry, 2 of physics. My PhD
thesis was a computer simulation, and I've been doing math and statistical
modeling using lots of data ever since. I'm currently teaching a course in
"Big Data" analytics, so I know a little about how science works.If 99% of children get measles vaccinations, we know that a small
percentage will have some reaction. But we don't know exactly which ones
will. What we do know is that if 99% of children are vaccinated, the disease
will virtually disappear.Now, largely because of an article in a
British medical journal, by a fraud using faked data (you can check this out),
the author claimed to have linked vaccinations to autism. This blew up on the
internet and millions of people stopped vaccinating their children.Fox News is a great example of media misrepresentation and outright distortion
of the news. The internet is a great source of misinformation. But it is a also
great search engine for finding the truth, too.Problem is, people
believe what they want to believe. Few people know; how to evaluate
"facts".This is the problem, not some religion..
@netteO I did a quick Google search for "Do vaccines contain fetal
tissue?" because that would be concerning. The articles that came up
explained that, yes, some vaccines contain viruses that were grown in tissue
from aborted fetuses, and that while those abortions were wrong, the babies were
not aborted for the purpose of making vaccines and that it is more akin to donor
tissue. Also, the vaccines don't contain any fetal tissue, only viruses
grown in them.
Why does this article NOT cover one of the aspects of vaccines that is a
religious belief? Namely, several of the vaxxes contain ABORTED fetal tissue!
Did they miss that HUGE objection that some people religiously believe? Besides
that, there is a special fund set up by the government that is called VICP-
Vaccine INJURY Compensation Program. YES there are enough vaccine injuries to
warrant this. I myself had a cousin faint right after a vaccine and then DIE
within a few hours. I know a girl with 1/2 facial paralysis caused by a
vaccine. Doctors and patients need to know that there are numerous adverse
reactions- seizures, high pitched screaming, fevers etc. MOST kids are ok in
the long run BUT there should be more caution in administering and help if there
is a problem.
The Deseret News for some reason refused to publish my previous comment
outlining unmentioned religious concerns for vaccines. If you are
interested, please google: FAQ - Vaccine Use - The National Catholic Bioethics
CenterThey outline the religious concerns that were completely
neglected by this author, whether intentional or out of ignorance. That said, I am all for vaccinations and so are most large churches in spite
of some significant ethical concerns regarding their origins. I just
believe that an article of this nature should be more accurate and better
informed than this one was.
@nuschler121 I agree with your opinion on vaccines, however your information
regarding supplements is incorrect. As per FDA reg 21 CFR 111, supplement
companies are must do 100% identity testing as well as sample and finished
product testing. They are subject to FDA regulation and inspection. Natural
products including supplements and foods can not claim to cure disease or they
are subject to drug regulation. This is how doTerra and Young Living recently
got in trouble with the FDA. The NY AGs office did file lawsuit against major
supplement retailers, however, the testing they used (DNA barcoding) is
currently unproven when testing for botanicals. While adulterations were found
in the product, there has been no indication as to what quantity were found.
All agricultural products contain trace amounts of other material as they are
naturally occurring. Unfortunately the NY AGs office will not release the
report indicating the quantity of extraneous materials found so there is no way
to determine if the amounts were indeed trace or significant. Utah does have a
large supplement industry, but does not come close to providing "most"
of the supplements on the market.
@Nuschler - I knew someone personally who died from the effects of fen fen here
in the US. Not sure where you got your numbers. I am adamantly opposed to the
non-vaccination crowd and the issues they are causing. However, I also
understand a little bit why they are skeptical of the FDA and any other
government agency telling them what to do. I think we are seeing some
non-immunization people deciding to get immunized. You'll see that many of
them have thus far made personal judgment calls as do we all. But many of them
are willing to do the right thing when logic is looking at them square in the
face. It is a minority of the non crowd that will fight immunizations regardless
what logic tells us.
@PaoloM"There are people who say more children die from vaccines
than from the disease.Due diligence dictates the following..."Due diligence also dictates that we check the credentials of the people
who make that claim.
Well, whatever the reason people don't want vaccinations, it isn't
very smart, is it? Do people even think about the past? Do they understand why
we have vaccines? Do they not consider all the horror that led people to find
vaccines? So, what, they don't believe in something that could save your
child from death or something worse than death. Look what happened to all those
who had polio! What reason comes even close to being good enough to prevent
someone from getting vaccines for their children? Seriously, you only need to
look at history to see the horror. I think that there are many reasons people
decide that they don't want vaccines. It may have little to do with
religion. They do, however, need to educate themselves about what could happen.
They must be living in some fantasyland! I had a bad disease when I was little.
It almost cost me my life and I have had problems because of it, all my life.
The child is the one who will pay for something so foolish.
When I was preparing to enter university, I was required to get a number of
vaccinations. I had to spend two days in bed with a high fever.In
the Navy, I was required to receive several vaccinations. All I got was sore
arms.I am all for vaccinations, provided close and immediate medical
attention is available.In the 1780s, each State had all the powers
any government has. They established the Federal government and gave it the
powers they wanted it to have -- and no others. The States retained all other
powers.If the constitution of a State does not specifically forbid
the State to mandate vaccination, the State has the power to mandate
vaccination.The Constitution does not give the Federal government
the power to require vaccinations, except for members of the military (because
the Constitution authorizes Congress to do everything necessary and proper to
provide for and maintain an army and a navy), so any Federal laws purporting to
mandate vaccination for the general public are unconstitutional.
I have yet to hear any credible reason not to vaccinate. As far as the rampant
paranoia that "big pharma" is just trying to make a buck, logic
doesn't support that conclusion either, but logic never has been the strong
point of conspiracy theorists and mass paranoia. Big pharma would stand to make
a whole lot more money treating the effects of disease then they would from
eliminating the disease.On one side these conspiracy theorists say
that big pharma isn't finding a cure for diabetes because they make too
much money from treating it, these same people are then saying that big pharma
is making money by completely eliminating major diseases from our population,
some that we no longer even vaccinate for because they are completely extinct
outside the lab. It doesn't make any sense people.
If you have a belief about vaccines, urge it in your own name. The third of the
Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in
vain." Whenever we invoke divine authority for our merely personal
feelings, biases, beliefs, prejudices, ideas, or explanations, we take the name
of God in vain. A significant aspect of integrity is to own your own words and
to say of your averments, that's what I believe. You don't have to be
right, and how can you be? True science, as opposed to advocative, commercial,
or promotional "science," will take many more decades determining the
actual effects of vaccines and drugs. For the time being, I believe that the
major vaccines contribute greatly to public health, with some individual adverse
reactions and unfortunate deaths along the way. No authority, I just believe
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't
believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart ChaseAs a researcher, I
seek to stay with verifiable facts and avoid bias.Fact: People are
gullible and will believe whatever distortions they read on the Internet. Yet no
one can convince someone they are wrong.Fact: Some people are specifically
advised to not receive vaccinations due to being in a high-risk group. However,
we too often judge those as being "fringe radicals".Fact: Overall,
vaccines have proven to be more beneficial than detrimental. Yet, a few rare
situations receive the media frenzy, causing many to avoid life-saving
treatments.Fact: Correlation does not imply causation - illnesses
attributed to vaccinations are often caused by another unknown variable. We
cannot convince those whose mind's are made up that a vaccination caused
that they are wrong.My own biased thought is that if someone
doesn't want to vaccinate their child for whatever reason, the child cannot
attend public school, must stay off the sidewalk, and keep away from the park.
Religious reasons aren't the same thing as a specific religion are they?
What is allowed as an exempt label for declining vaccinations? Religious reasons
is one. I don't think objecting for spiritual reasons applies. That said,
there is certainly grounds for religious objection to vaccinations. A relative example (bear with me); Some believe the purpose of
"Noah's Flood" was to cleanse mankind from a corruption of human
DNA. Noah was pure in his generations bloodline), and some say this means more
than just righteousness. This thinking looks at wickedness (the antithesis of
this) as being aimed at destroying God's creation, thus creating life not
in God's image. The big component is Noah's time (after angel human
hybrids were cast down to the pit/5th dimension/Tartarus) was animal human
hybrids. When we look at where we are headed in the world relative to
discussions on cloning and hybridization, one can surely be justified to not to
want their blood corrupted by animal DNA in vaccinations. "As it was in the
days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."
Vaccines. There are people who say more children die from vaccines than from the
disease.Due diligence dictates the following:1. Make sure you know
ALL the ingredients in the vaccine.2. Make sure you have all clinical
trial reports of the vaccines.3. Make sure you know WHO makes it, HOW much
is in it for them, and WHAT are the 'unintended' consequences.4.
Make sure you keep your eyes and mental faculties sharp enough to make an
educated decision.After all, when it comes to children, what you put into
them could affect them in a positive, or devastating way for the rest of their
lives.5. Lastly, regarding the disease in question, educate yourself as to
what it is, look at documents about the disease and if there are better ways to
protect your children from the disease.Due diligence.Due diligence.
Due diligence.It would not hurt to YouTube: vaccines and look at all
aspects of the matter.This is not so much about religion as it is about
making sure you know ALL the facts before you subject your son or daughter to
the vaccine, as well as protect them from the disease in question.
25 years in the Army National Guard. The military keeps all their soldiers
vaccines current. When I traveled overseas I was vaccinated for illnesses I
never heard of. When I worked for corrections I was vaccinated for hepatitis B.
Get a flu shot through my work every year. The only side effects were mild
muscle aches and feeling a little sick for a day or two. I have no doubt some
may experience serious side effects. Does that mean we should ban vaccines. I
never thought I would live to see the return of measles. I am far more
concerned about being killed in a car wreck than being vaccinated.
There's no documentation in religions saying they can't bake cakes for
certain people either but if people believe they shouldn't for religious
reasons then they believe they shouldn't for religious reasons.
My religion does not say don't get vaccinated but my religion teaches me
that my body is a temple and that I should not put bad things into my body.
Mercury is one of those bad things. Is that a religious objection? It is an
objection of conscience. I object to people telling me that science should be my
religion.I watched my child go through a severe reaction to the MMR
vaccine just after learning that I have a neurological condition with no known
cause and no known cure. Up to that point I had complete faith in the vaccine
concept. I now have doubts looking at both sides of the argument. Nothing I have
seen in the last 16 years has restored my faith in medical science.A
few hundred reported measles cases and suddenly the "Vaccine Conscientious
Objectors" are at fault. Why, if we are getting reports on the numbers of
cases are we not also getting reports on the vaccination status of the affected
patients?Many of us would like to know:- How many vaccinated
persons contracted measles?- How many measles patients recently entered
the country without vaccination?
A friend of our lost a twin when her babies were vaccinated because of an
allergy to the tetanus shot. They were only a few months old. Two of my
children's legs swelled up like balloons from the same thing. Luckily they
were older when they got the shots. I feel GM Lewis has a valid comment, in
that the shots have too many things in one shot. These vaccinations should be
spread out over time and after a child is older - about 4 or 5 or start at age 3
with the shots for things that are needed most. Another problem to me, is when a
shot is given even if the child appears to have a cold (these symptoms are
common for other illnesses). Give them when their immune systems aren't
already fighting something. There should be a 'Common Sense Objection".
vaccinations should be mandatory expect in medically cleared persons, ie those
who will be more harmed by vaccination that benefited (allergies, repressed
immune systems). If parents don't give them that should be ground for loss
of parenting rights until remidied. This shouldn't be an issue.It isn't a matter of freedom. Does your freedom to reject vaccinations
suppress my freedom to health, or societies health?
@utroyalwulff correctly highlights the disconnect within DN reporting on
religious objections to state laws.According to this article, an
objection to compliance with a state law (mandatory immunization) is counted as
a "religious" objection only if a established religion "explicitly
objects" or has a tenet or other "explicit prohibitions" against
immunizations. The article implies an objection cannot be considered religious
without "sustained teaching against the practice" even if "some
followers or preachers within a given religion or sect" may occasionally
speak against it.Unless someone can refer to the chapter/verse and
document of ANY religion that explicitly prohibits its followers from baking a
generic wedding cake for a same-sex couple, or explicitly objects to a
photographer from taking pictures of a SSM ceremony or reception, these are
equally invalid "religious" objections under the standard DN applies to
immunization exemptions.Yet for all the times when this type of
baker or photographer has been cited in the "religious freedom" coverage
by DN, never once has the headline concluded that these "really
aren't" religious objections.
@ gmlewis No matter how you try to spin it you expressed a personal opinion. . .
that's all. No science to back up your claim that simultaneous vaccines
cause any problems at all. Here's is some real scientific information from
the CDC.Stop the scare tactics!Can so many vaccines, given so early in
life, overwhelm a child's immune system, suppressing it so it does not
function correctly?No evidence suggests that the recommended childhood
vaccines can “overload” the immune system. In contrast, from the
moment babies are born, they are exposed to numerous bacteria and viruses on a
daily basis. Eating food introduces new bacteria into the body; numerous
bacteria live in the mouth and nose; and an infant places his or her hands or
other objects in his or her mouth hundreds of times every hour, exposing the
immune system to still more antigens. When a child has a cold they are exposed
to at least 4 to 10 antigens and exposure to “strep throat” is about
25 to 50 antigens.
I love the last sentence of the article: "There's the side that 95
percent of the nation support and then there's the hardcore (of people who)
never met a vaccine they liked." I think I'm on both sides of the
debate; I get vaccinations (and I wish everyone would), but not because I enjoy
VERY well written as I am an MD.@Sal of Provo"Why
the implicit trust in the FDA and what it says? The FDA gave us Fen Fen which
caused over 6000 heart attacks, strokes, and cancer in women before it was
pulled from the market"Where is your source on this conflated
figure? The New England Journal of Medicine reported 175 cases of adverse
effects of this drug taken by 58 Million people..mostly in Europe outside the
purview of the FDA. And most effects only showed an abnormal
echocardiogram...but when they were read by outside cardiologists...they were
deemed normal for the most part. However---this week in three
medical journals regarding Utah came up. They were investigating herbal
supplements mostly made in Utah. In 1994, Senator Orrin Hatch got a federal law
passed saying that herbal supplements did not have to prove reliability or cure.
Most supplements are made in Utah. For example five out of six bottles labeled
ginkgo had no gingko at all. Mostly ground up rice and mustard seed. They
examined thousands of supplements...Untrue labeling. I'll take the FDA
over lack of inspection.
Sal, not sure what to say about the misinformation, ignorance of science and
conspiracy theory in your post. Show a single study showing any ill effects of
vaccines..just a single one. Where did you hear about the CDC report of injured
children? I would really like to see the source for this. Just because a drug
was not properly studied years ago doesn't mean every thing the FDA is
bogus or corrupt. If so we would have no advances. Why does your ideology trump
@Laura Ann - "Where is the scientific proof to the statement you made
above?"Normally, I write comments that adopt a conversational
tone, as if I were talking to a friend. I explained why I don't like
vaccinations in combination. My reasons are not unreasonable. I do not call
myself an expert.Vaccines trigger an immune response by exposing
someone to an "inert disease," such as dead bacterial cells or protein
combinations that are found in diseases. Of course, it is much more complex
than that, but it is a close enough description for a conversation between
friends.To be effective, the immunological response has to be
significant. Sometimes a young vaccinated child will experience a reaction,
such as a slight temperature or rash. Not all reactions are externally
detectable, and thus there could be some risk to the child's immune system
when exposed to multiple vaccines simultaneously.Most children can
fly through this experience with no problem. However, I come from a family tree
that has a long history of auto-immune disorders. It is hard for me to discount
the risk that multiple, simultaneous exposures may pose.
Why the implicit trust in the FDA and what it says? The FDA gave us Fen Fen
which caused over 6000 heart attacks, strokes, and cancer in women before it was
pulled from the market. They also gave us the NSAIDS recouping their research
billions before warning that they aren't safe. Now there is a new lower
cholesterol rate which brings several more million people into the Statin fold,
another dangerous drug but one reaping huge monetary gains for the medical
community. Why are so many vaccinations being pushed today?
It's called money. The non-vaxxers do their homework. They know that
Thimersol is not safe. The FDA says it's the safe mercury but that their
manufacturers are 'working' to remove it from vaccines. Hmmm. The
'ignorant' masses should do their homework and check out the CDC
reports of injured children due to vaccinations. Let's go back to a few
basic vaccines and begin a campaign against mulitple doses in one shot.
From what I've read, there are many vaccination objections-both religious
and non-religious. This is one of those issues where the left and the right
seem to come together. Where I live, there are plenty of religious vaccination
objections. We also have plenty of 1st Amendment believers. Some people have
to "religiously" object to opt out of vaccinations. As long as we have
an open and uncontrolled border, with people pouring in daily not getting
vaccinations, why force others to get vaccinations? Everyone knows how
ineffective flu vaccines really are. Yet, every year they keep pushing the flu
shot. Even ABC reported a dismal below 25% rate of effectiveness.
"'Religious' objections to vaccinations? There really aren't
any" Half this newspaper lately has discussed religious freedom as it
pertains to LGBT issues but then you turn around and make a statement like that.
Not all religions mirror the Mormon faith. The world is a big place, im sure
if you looked hard enough you will find religions that teach vaccinations are
bad things. Just think about the discussion thats been had over the years about
florid in the drinking water.
Religious objections to vaccinations? Yeah, there are. There are as many
religious objections to vaccination as there are religious people. It's
because 'religion', as a cause or justification for anything, is not
defined. Certainly not proven. It's entirely subjective; it offers no proof
and bides no objection. If someone tells you 'god says so', you get
nothing in return, and nothing will prove otherwise. "I'm religious, so
I don't believe in vaccinations" is given to be a stronger argument
than anything that science or statistics can offer. There aren't any
religious objections to vaccination, as the article states. Unless someone says
they're religious , and have objections to vaccinations as a result of it.
@gmlewis: Where is the scientific proof to the statement you made above? Are you
a specialist who has tested this hypothesis on vaccines? Where is your proof?
I find that it is almost always lack of knowledge and understanding
of how vaccines work that causes these objections to vaccinations.
Actually, I never met a vaccine that I didn't like, but I don't like
them in combination. Getting two or three in a single injection can overload
the immune system of small children. Also, administering dozens in the first
few years of life can have negative effects. Vaccines against life
threatening diseases, like measles, should have precedence. Otherwise,
let's just slow it up a bit.