'Religious' objections to vaccinations? There really aren't any

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  • Mehlinda Canada, 00
    March 16, 2019 3:30 p.m.

    There are religions that do not vaccinate. There are many religions that do not vaccinate. I belong to the Saint Germain Foundation, a religious organization, established in 1930, and we do not vaccinate. Everyone has a right to their religious beliefs. No one should be biased, and everyone should look at both sides, especially journalists. My children are 26 and 37 and they were not vaccinated, and they are alive and well, and were very healthy and happy as children in the public school system. Research is required for a good debate, one must look at both sides and the evidence that is presented. I,, unfortunately, have been bullied for my religious convictions as of late. I hope people will respect the wishes of others especially if it is a religious rule and conviction

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 15, 2015 7:32 a.m.

    I have a PhD in systems ecology. 10 years of chemistry, 2 of physics. My PhD thesis was a computer simulation, and I've been doing math and statistical modeling using lots of data ever since. I'm currently teaching a course in "Big Data" analytics, so I know a little about how science works.

    If 99% of children get measles vaccinations, we know that a small percentage will have some reaction. But we don't know exactly which ones will. What we do know is that if 99% of children are vaccinated, the disease will virtually disappear.

    Now, largely because of an article in a British medical journal, by a fraud using faked data (you can check this out), the author claimed to have linked vaccinations to autism. This blew up on the internet and millions of people stopped vaccinating their children.

    Fox News is a great example of media misrepresentation and outright distortion of the news. The internet is a great source of misinformation. But it is a also great search engine for finding the truth, too.

    Problem is, people believe what they want to believe. Few people know; how to evaluate "facts".

    This is the problem, not some religion..

  • Luke Nelson West Valley City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2015 5:56 p.m.

    @netteO I did a quick Google search for "Do vaccines contain fetal tissue?" because that would be concerning. The articles that came up explained that, yes, some vaccines contain viruses that were grown in tissue from aborted fetuses, and that while those abortions were wrong, the babies were not aborted for the purpose of making vaccines and that it is more akin to donor tissue. Also, the vaccines don't contain any fetal tissue, only viruses grown in them.

  • netteO Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 14, 2015 10:14 a.m.

    Why does this article NOT cover one of the aspects of vaccines that is a religious belief? Namely, several of the vaxxes contain ABORTED fetal tissue! Did they miss that HUGE objection that some people religiously believe? Besides that, there is a special fund set up by the government that is called VICP- Vaccine INJURY Compensation Program. YES there are enough vaccine injuries to warrant this. I myself had a cousin faint right after a vaccine and then DIE within a few hours. I know a girl with 1/2 facial paralysis caused by a vaccine. Doctors and patients need to know that there are numerous adverse reactions- seizures, high pitched screaming, fevers etc. MOST kids are ok in the long run BUT there should be more caution in administering and help if there is a problem.

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Feb. 12, 2015 8:11 a.m.

    The Deseret News for some reason refused to publish my previous comment outlining unmentioned religious concerns for vaccines.

    If you are interested, please google: FAQ - Vaccine Use - The National Catholic Bioethics Center

    They outline the religious concerns that were completely neglected by this author, whether intentional or out of ignorance.

    That said, I am all for vaccinations and so are most large churches in spite of some significant ethical concerns regarding their origins.

    I just believe that an article of this nature should be more accurate and better informed than this one was.

  • ChickenHerder Kaysville, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2015 5:36 p.m.

    @nuschler121 I agree with your opinion on vaccines, however your information regarding supplements is incorrect. As per FDA reg 21 CFR 111, supplement companies are must do 100% identity testing as well as sample and finished product testing. They are subject to FDA regulation and inspection. Natural products including supplements and foods can not claim to cure disease or they are subject to drug regulation. This is how doTerra and Young Living recently got in trouble with the FDA. The NY AGs office did file lawsuit against major supplement retailers, however, the testing they used (DNA barcoding) is currently unproven when testing for botanicals. While adulterations were found in the product, there has been no indication as to what quantity were found. All agricultural products contain trace amounts of other material as they are naturally occurring. Unfortunately the NY AGs office will not release the report indicating the quantity of extraneous materials found so there is no way to determine if the amounts were indeed trace or significant. Utah does have a large supplement industry, but does not come close to providing "most" of the supplements on the market.

  • SlickMick Ashburn, VA
    Feb. 11, 2015 11:06 a.m.

    @Nuschler - I knew someone personally who died from the effects of fen fen here in the US. Not sure where you got your numbers. I am adamantly opposed to the non-vaccination crowd and the issues they are causing. However, I also understand a little bit why they are skeptical of the FDA and any other government agency telling them what to do. I think we are seeing some non-immunization people deciding to get immunized. You'll see that many of them have thus far made personal judgment calls as do we all. But many of them are willing to do the right thing when logic is looking at them square in the face. It is a minority of the non crowd that will fight immunizations regardless what logic tells us.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2015 3:27 p.m.

    Well, whatever the reason people don't want vaccinations, it isn't very smart, is it? Do people even think about the past? Do they understand why we have vaccines? Do they not consider all the horror that led people to find vaccines? So, what, they don't believe in something that could save your child from death or something worse than death. Look what happened to all those who had polio! What reason comes even close to being good enough to prevent someone from getting vaccines for their children? Seriously, you only need to look at history to see the horror. I think that there are many reasons people decide that they don't want vaccines. It may have little to do with religion. They do, however, need to educate themselves about what could happen. They must be living in some fantasyland! I had a bad disease when I was little. It almost cost me my life and I have had problems because of it, all my life. The child is the one who will pay for something so foolish.

  • Clifton Palmer McLendon Gilmer, TX
    Feb. 10, 2015 12:29 p.m.

    When I was preparing to enter university, I was required to get a number of vaccinations. I had to spend two days in bed with a high fever.

    In the Navy, I was required to receive several vaccinations. All I got was sore arms.

    I am all for vaccinations, provided close and immediate medical attention is available.

    In the 1780s, each State had all the powers any government has. They established the Federal government and gave it the powers they wanted it to have -- and no others. The States retained all other powers.

    If the constitution of a State does not specifically forbid the State to mandate vaccination, the State has the power to mandate vaccination.

    The Constitution does not give the Federal government the power to require vaccinations, except for members of the military (because the Constitution authorizes Congress to do everything necessary and proper to provide for and maintain an army and a navy), so any Federal laws purporting to mandate vaccination for the general public are unconstitutional.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Feb. 9, 2015 4:25 p.m.

    I have yet to hear any credible reason not to vaccinate. As far as the rampant paranoia that "big pharma" is just trying to make a buck, logic doesn't support that conclusion either, but logic never has been the strong point of conspiracy theorists and mass paranoia. Big pharma would stand to make a whole lot more money treating the effects of disease then they would from eliminating the disease.

    On one side these conspiracy theorists say that big pharma isn't finding a cure for diabetes because they make too much money from treating it, these same people are then saying that big pharma is making money by completely eliminating major diseases from our population, some that we no longer even vaccinate for because they are completely extinct outside the lab. It doesn't make any sense people.

  • Reasonable Man Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2015 4:15 p.m.

    If you have a belief about vaccines, urge it in your own name. The third of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." Whenever we invoke divine authority for our merely personal feelings, biases, beliefs, prejudices, ideas, or explanations, we take the name of God in vain. A significant aspect of integrity is to own your own words and to say of your averments, that's what I believe. You don't have to be right, and how can you be? True science, as opposed to advocative, commercial, or promotional "science," will take many more decades determining the actual effects of vaccines and drugs. For the time being, I believe that the major vaccines contribute greatly to public health, with some individual adverse reactions and unfortunate deaths along the way. No authority, I just believe it.

  • S-N-S Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2015 2:41 p.m.

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    As a researcher, I seek to stay with verifiable facts and avoid bias.

    Fact: People are gullible and will believe whatever distortions they read on the Internet. Yet no one can convince someone they are wrong.
    Fact: Some people are specifically advised to not receive vaccinations due to being in a high-risk group. However, we too often judge those as being "fringe radicals".
    Fact: Overall, vaccines have proven to be more beneficial than detrimental. Yet, a few rare situations receive the media frenzy, causing many to avoid life-saving treatments.
    Fact: Correlation does not imply causation - illnesses attributed to vaccinations are often caused by another unknown variable. We cannot convince those whose mind's are made up that a vaccination caused that they are wrong.

    My own biased thought is that if someone doesn't want to vaccinate their child for whatever reason, the child cannot attend public school, must stay off the sidewalk, and keep away from the park.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2015 3:06 a.m.

    Religious reasons aren't the same thing as a specific religion are they? What is allowed as an exempt label for declining vaccinations? Religious reasons is one. I don't think objecting for spiritual reasons applies. That said, there is certainly grounds for religious objection to vaccinations.

    A relative example (bear with me); Some believe the purpose of "Noah's Flood" was to cleanse mankind from a corruption of human DNA. Noah was pure in his generations bloodline), and some say this means more than just righteousness. This thinking looks at wickedness (the antithesis of this) as being aimed at destroying God's creation, thus creating life not in God's image. The big component is Noah's time (after angel human hybrids were cast down to the pit/5th dimension/Tartarus) was animal human hybrids. When we look at where we are headed in the world relative to discussions on cloning and hybridization, one can surely be justified to not to want their blood corrupted by animal DNA in vaccinations. "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

  • PaolaM Beverly Hills, CA
    Feb. 8, 2015 10:19 p.m.

    Vaccines. There are people who say more children die from vaccines than from the disease.
    Due diligence dictates the following:
    1. Make sure you know ALL the ingredients in the vaccine.
    2. Make sure you have all clinical trial reports of the vaccines.
    3. Make sure you know WHO makes it, HOW much is in it for them, and WHAT are the 'unintended' consequences.
    4. Make sure you keep your eyes and mental faculties sharp enough to make an educated decision.
    After all, when it comes to children, what you put into them could affect them in a positive, or devastating way for the rest of their lives.
    5. Lastly, regarding the disease in question, educate yourself as to what it is, look at documents about the disease and if there are better ways to protect your children from the disease.
    Due diligence.
    Due diligence.
    Due diligence.
    It would not hurt to YouTube: vaccines and look at all aspects of the matter.
    This is not so much about religion as it is about making sure you know ALL the facts before you subject your son or daughter to the vaccine, as well as protect them from the disease in question.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 8, 2015 4:57 p.m.

    25 years in the Army National Guard. The military keeps all their soldiers vaccines current. When I traveled overseas I was vaccinated for illnesses I never heard of. When I worked for corrections I was vaccinated for hepatitis B. Get a flu shot through my work every year. The only side effects were mild muscle aches and feeling a little sick for a day or two. I have no doubt some may experience serious side effects. Does that mean we should ban vaccines. I never thought I would live to see the return of measles. I am far more concerned about being killed in a car wreck than being vaccinated.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2015 3:55 p.m.

    There's no documentation in religions saying they can't bake cakes for certain people either but if people believe they shouldn't for religious reasons then they believe they shouldn't for religious reasons.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 8, 2015 3:24 p.m.

    My religion does not say don't get vaccinated but my religion teaches me that my body is a temple and that I should not put bad things into my body. Mercury is one of those bad things. Is that a religious objection? It is an objection of conscience. I object to people telling me that science should be my religion.

    I watched my child go through a severe reaction to the MMR vaccine just after learning that I have a neurological condition with no known cause and no known cure. Up to that point I had complete faith in the vaccine concept. I now have doubts looking at both sides of the argument. Nothing I have seen in the last 16 years has restored my faith in medical science.

    A few hundred reported measles cases and suddenly the "Vaccine Conscientious Objectors" are at fault. Why, if we are getting reports on the numbers of cases are we not also getting reports on the vaccination status of the affected patients?

    Many of us would like to know:
    - How many vaccinated persons contracted measles?
    - How many measles patients recently entered the country without vaccination?

  • One opinion west jordan, UT
    Feb. 8, 2015 3:16 p.m.

    A friend of our lost a twin when her babies were vaccinated because of an allergy to the tetanus shot. They were only a few months old. Two of my children's legs swelled up like balloons from the same thing. Luckily they were older when they got the shots. I feel GM Lewis has a valid comment, in that the shots have too many things in one shot. These vaccinations should be spread out over time and after a child is older - about 4 or 5 or start at age 3 with the shots for things that are needed most. Another problem to me, is when a shot is given even if the child appears to have a cold (these symptoms are common for other illnesses). Give them when their immune systems aren't already fighting something. There should be a 'Common Sense Objection".

    Feb. 8, 2015 1:55 p.m.

    vaccinations should be mandatory expect in medically cleared persons, ie those who will be more harmed by vaccination that benefited (allergies, repressed immune systems). If parents don't give them that should be ground for loss of parenting rights until remidied. This shouldn't be an issue.

    It isn't a matter of freedom. Does your freedom to reject vaccinations suppress my freedom to health, or societies health?

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 8, 2015 1:47 p.m.

    @utroyalwulff correctly highlights the disconnect within DN reporting on religious objections to state laws.

    According to this article, an objection to compliance with a state law (mandatory immunization) is counted as a "religious" objection only if a established religion "explicitly objects" or has a tenet or other "explicit prohibitions" against immunizations. The article implies an objection cannot be considered religious without "sustained teaching against the practice" even if "some followers or preachers within a given religion or sect" may occasionally speak against it.

    Unless someone can refer to the chapter/verse and document of ANY religion that explicitly prohibits its followers from baking a generic wedding cake for a same-sex couple, or explicitly objects to a photographer from taking pictures of a SSM ceremony or reception, these are equally invalid "religious" objections under the standard DN applies to immunization exemptions.

    Yet for all the times when this type of baker or photographer has been cited in the "religious freedom" coverage by DN, never once has the headline concluded that these "really aren't" religious objections.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Feb. 8, 2015 1:40 p.m.

    @ gmlewis No matter how you try to spin it you expressed a personal opinion. . . that's all. No science to back up your claim that simultaneous vaccines cause any problems at all. Here's is some real scientific information from the CDC.Stop the scare tactics!
    Can so many vaccines, given so early in life, overwhelm a child's immune system, suppressing it so it does not function correctly?
    No evidence suggests that the recommended childhood vaccines can “overload” the immune system. In contrast, from the moment babies are born, they are exposed to numerous bacteria and viruses on a daily basis. Eating food introduces new bacteria into the body; numerous bacteria live in the mouth and nose; and an infant places his or her hands or other objects in his or her mouth hundreds of times every hour, exposing the immune system to still more antigens. When a child has a cold they are exposed to at least 4 to 10 antigens and exposure to “strep throat” is about 25 to 50 antigens.

  • GB Lindon, UT
    Feb. 8, 2015 1:34 p.m.

    I love the last sentence of the article: "There's the side that 95 percent of the nation support and then there's the hardcore (of people who) never met a vaccine they liked." I think I'm on both sides of the debate; I get vaccinations (and I wish everyone would), but not because I enjoy it!

  • Nuschler121 Atlanta, GA
    Feb. 8, 2015 1:33 p.m.

    VERY well written as I am an MD.

    @Sal of Provo

    "Why the implicit trust in the FDA and what it says? The FDA gave us Fen Fen which caused over 6000 heart attacks, strokes, and cancer in women before it was pulled from the market"

    Where is your source on this conflated figure? The New England Journal of Medicine reported 175 cases of adverse effects of this drug taken by 58 Million people..mostly in Europe outside the purview of the FDA. And most effects only showed an abnormal echocardiogram...but when they were read by outside cardiologists...they were deemed normal for the most part.

    However---this week in three medical journals regarding Utah came up. They were investigating herbal supplements mostly made in Utah. In 1994, Senator Orrin Hatch got a federal law passed saying that herbal supplements did not have to prove reliability or cure. Most supplements are made in Utah. For example five out of six bottles labeled ginkgo had no gingko at all. Mostly ground up rice and mustard seed. They examined thousands of supplements...Untrue labeling. I'll take the FDA over lack of inspection.

  • sigmund5 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2015 10:45 a.m.

    Sal, not sure what to say about the misinformation, ignorance of science and conspiracy theory in your post. Show a single study showing any ill effects of vaccines..just a single one. Where did you hear about the CDC report of injured children? I would really like to see the source for this. Just because a drug was not properly studied years ago doesn't mean every thing the FDA is bogus or corrupt. If so we would have no advances. Why does your ideology trump reality?

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Feb. 8, 2015 10:04 a.m.

    @Laura Ann - "Where is the scientific proof to the statement you made above?"

    Normally, I write comments that adopt a conversational tone, as if I were talking to a friend. I explained why I don't like vaccinations in combination. My reasons are not unreasonable. I do not call myself an expert.

    Vaccines trigger an immune response by exposing someone to an "inert disease," such as dead bacterial cells or protein combinations that are found in diseases. Of course, it is much more complex than that, but it is a close enough description for a conversation between friends.

    To be effective, the immunological response has to be significant. Sometimes a young vaccinated child will experience a reaction, such as a slight temperature or rash. Not all reactions are externally detectable, and thus there could be some risk to the child's immune system when exposed to multiple vaccines simultaneously.

    Most children can fly through this experience with no problem. However, I come from a family tree that has a long history of auto-immune disorders. It is hard for me to discount the risk that multiple, simultaneous exposures may pose.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2015 7:53 a.m.

    Why the implicit trust in the FDA and what it says? The FDA gave us Fen Fen which caused over 6000 heart attacks, strokes, and cancer in women before it was pulled from the market. They also gave us the NSAIDS recouping their research billions before warning that they aren't safe. Now there is a new lower cholesterol rate which brings several more million people into the Statin fold, another dangerous drug but one reaping huge monetary gains for the medical community.

    Why are so many vaccinations being pushed today? It's called money. The non-vaxxers do their homework. They know that Thimersol is not safe. The FDA says it's the safe mercury but that their manufacturers are 'working' to remove it from vaccines. Hmmm. The 'ignorant' masses should do their homework and check out the CDC reports of injured children due to vaccinations. Let's go back to a few basic vaccines and begin a campaign against mulitple doses in one shot.

  • tinder Fishers, IN
    Feb. 8, 2015 7:41 a.m.

    From what I've read, there are many vaccination objections-both religious and non-religious. This is one of those issues where the left and the right seem to come together. Where I live, there are plenty of religious vaccination objections. We also have plenty of 1st Amendment believers. Some people have to "religiously" object to opt out of vaccinations. As long as we have an open and uncontrolled border, with people pouring in daily not getting vaccinations, why force others to get vaccinations? Everyone knows how ineffective flu vaccines really are. Yet, every year they keep pushing the flu shot. Even ABC reported a dismal below 25% rate of effectiveness.

  • utroyalwulff logan, ut, UT
    Feb. 7, 2015 11:57 p.m.

    "'Religious' objections to vaccinations? There really aren't any" Half this newspaper lately has discussed religious freedom as it pertains to LGBT issues but then you turn around and make a statement like that. Not all religions mirror the Mormon faith. The world is a big place, im sure if you looked hard enough you will find religions that teach vaccinations are bad things. Just think about the discussion thats been had over the years about florid in the drinking water.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 7, 2015 10:28 p.m.

    Religious objections to vaccinations? Yeah, there are. There are as many religious objections to vaccination as there are religious people. It's because 'religion', as a cause or justification for anything, is not defined. Certainly not proven. It's entirely subjective; it offers no proof and bides no objection. If someone tells you 'god says so', you get nothing in return, and nothing will prove otherwise. "I'm religious, so I don't believe in vaccinations" is given to be a stronger argument than anything that science or statistics can offer. There aren't any religious objections to vaccination, as the article states. Unless someone says they're religious , and have objections to vaccinations as a result of it.

  • Laura Ann Layton, UT
    Feb. 7, 2015 10:13 p.m.

    @gmlewis: Where is the scientific proof to the statement you made above? Are you a specialist who has tested this hypothesis on vaccines? Where is your proof?

    I find that it is almost always lack of knowledge and understanding of how vaccines work that causes these objections to vaccinations.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Feb. 7, 2015 9:15 p.m.

    Actually, I never met a vaccine that I didn't like, but I don't like them in combination. Getting two or three in a single injection can overload the immune system of small children. Also, administering dozens in the first few years of life can have negative effects.

    Vaccines against life threatening diseases, like measles, should have precedence. Otherwise, let's just slow it up a bit.