Hard-liquor ban is good start, but public schools also need return to single-sex dorms

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  • Reality heck Clear field, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 3:28 p.m.

    Bengamin Franklin said " wine is proof God loves us". He was also a real "ladies man" and had one illegitimate child. As one of the most brilliant men who ever lived, I don't see where intellect and virtue are connected.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 3, 2015 8:11 a.m.

    The 2nd Amendment is a right, you are NOT required to participate in, it's a choice.
    Freedom is yours with or without your precious weapons.
    Now you think that with drugs, and alcohol, and premarital sex, and non-adult adults, guns are what is needed?

    At 18 you can be forced to fight and possibly die for your country, you are an adult.
    Just because religious teetotalers treat those adults as children will not change that fact.

    You want freedom for the parents, not the students.
    Same as the old men who decide that young men should die for their benefit.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 4:27 p.m.


    You are legally an adult at 18. Google "Age of majority" (Wikipedia). I only have 200 words.

    "The age of majority is the threshold of adulthood as it is conceptualized (and recognized or declared) in law. It is the chronological moment when minors cease to legally be considered children and assume control over their persons, actions, and decisions, thereby terminating the legal control and legal responsibilities of their parents or guardian over and for them. Most countries set majority at 18"...

    You are correct that you can't drink, smoke, etc, at that age, but you are legally an adult (you can make contracts, don't need a legal guardian, can marry, etc.

    This is what they said in Wikipedia...
    "Age of majority should not be confused with the age of sexual consent, marriageable age, school leaving age, drinking age, driving age, voting age, smoking age, etc., which all may be independent of, and sometimes set at a different age from, the age of majority"...

    So most college students are adults. Young adults... but adults.

    They need to gain maturity. Some are not ready for a co-ed living environment. But they are adults.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Feb. 2, 2015 3:41 p.m.

    18 year old's have the right to vote, and that is a cherished right. However, it doesn't make them an adult.

    There is only one way that an 18 year old is an adult - if he or she is totally self-sustaining. A private in the Army is an adult. A student going to college on his parent's dime isn't.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 3:08 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic

    Re: "Not trusting your children, is the parents problem"...
    and "College isn't there to babysit for you"...
    and "Part of growing up is cutting those apron straps helicopter parents"....
    and "Want strict rules and limited freedom, check yourself in at a religious institutional college"....

    You talk about "FREEDOM" when Co-ed dorms are the topic.

    I suspect you change your tune if the topic were 2nd Amendment rights for students, instead of providing co-ed dorm experience, sex, alcohol, drugs, etc...

    The co-ed dorm experience MUST be protected... Constitutional rights.. not so much...

    Did you support FREEDOM when Utah said the Constitution needed to be observed... Even on College Campuses. Even 2nd Amendment rights?

    I doubt it.

    You people think college students can't be trusted with their Constitutional rights... but their right to a co-ed dorm experience MUST be protected.... I don't see those co-ed dorm rights you protect anywhere in our Constitution! Do you?

    If FREEDOM is key to learning and self control... they should be trusted with learning to control their full freedoms outlined in the Constitution, not just learning about the other sex (IMO).

  • RSL* Why, AZ
    Feb. 2, 2015 1:40 p.m.

    I loved my Co-ed apartment complex. It made college fun and I even meet my wife because we lived in the same building. Now a Dorm is a little bit different since the bathrooms and showers are not in the room but in a public area. I can see issues that can arise with a public bathroom where a bad person can get easy access to the person in the bathroom.

    The alcohol part will never work. Try telling college students not to do something and see how well that is going to turn out.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    Feb. 2, 2015 1:18 p.m.

    It is reasonably hard to get into top universities. Certainly willing, motivated, deserving students are not admitted to take the number of slots available. It is also against the law to drink under the age of 21, yet alone binge drink. The latter might be hard to prove (was it too much liquor?) but certainly ample evidence of drinking. And underage drinking should be grounds for expulsion from any institution of higher learning serious about that purpose.

    Accepting and allowing that underage students will drink, when it is clearly against law, is complete hypocrisy and unacceptable. Living in Colorado, where CU is vying for the top party school rep, is embarrassing. Either change the drinking age law or get serious about the public funding for higher education.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 1:16 p.m.

    "Co-ed dorms are a discrace to common sense and are just another indicator of a once great society that has lost it's way. Little wonder people of faith in other cultures believe America is so bad."

    Co-ed housing exists in virtually every major college in almost every industrialized nation...

    I'm also not sure how advocates of personal responsibility are suddenly turning into nanny state advocates.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 11:43 a.m.

    BYU is probably the most virtuous university in the United States and academically it is respectible but isn't in the top tier. Protestent Christian colleges are quite virtuous, but adadamically they are lacking.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    Feb. 2, 2015 11:39 a.m.

    I think whoever wrote this article is just scared that the supreme court is going to eventually let gay couples live in BYU married student housing. It's a comin' so get ready for it.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 11:32 a.m.

    Spangs: "I have to thank hard liquor alone for my own existence...I...feel that...cohabitation and hard liquor are integral to boosting the birth rate in America."

    Now days you would have been aborted. You may want to thank your mother for letting you live.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 11:29 a.m.

    If college is a chance to prepare a student intellectually and socially for "the real world", why would they return to single-sex dormitories? My dorm had secure access, dorm parents, and resident assistants to keep watch. Was it perfect? No. Could students sneak around? Yes.

    Still, it was a controlled exposure to what is really out there. Freshmen were required to stay in the dorm. If they chose off-campus housing as a sophomore, they were better prepared for what was ahead.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 11:10 a.m.

    Then there is the fact, that people going to collage are adults. In the dorm many will be under the age of 21, but that won't stop them easily finding booze (or someone to buy it for you) at the collage level.
    The Dorm's are a special place. First off most people in the dorms are in their first or second year of collage. This would put many under the age of 21.
    Normally I'm opposed to placing more limits on adults. But the dorms are one of those things that require special attention. Now from my recollection most parties happen in housing around campus, and although people are "partying" at the dorms, its not like the Keg parties you might see at a frat house.
    Bottom line, it is a good gesture to limit hard alcohol in the dorms. If you can't keep it to beer, then perhaps it is time to re-evaluate your life. I don't think will really stop hard liquor from being consumed in the dorms. It will give the campus authorities more options to deal with kids who are ruining it for everyone else. CoEd Dorms are another thing altogether.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 10:51 a.m.

    single-sex dorms! Gasp!

    Didn't we have them for generations and generations... until liberals told us they were not good?

  • Kwall Logan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 10:43 a.m.

    I have to wonder whether the link between mixed dorms/drinking is spurious at best. What schools usually have strict same gender dorms? Religious institutions or private schools which means that the students are likely more religious and less likely to drink in the first place. So is the fact that less drinking goes on in same gender dorms due to the fact students are likely more religious or at a religious university, or because of the same gender dorm itself?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 10:30 a.m.

    Co-ed dorms are a disgrace to common sense?

    I disagree, Not trusting your children, is the parents problem.
    College isn't there to babysit for you, It is there to teach.

    Part of growing up is cutting those apron straps helicopter parents.
    Want strict rules and limited freedom, check yourself in at a religious institutional college.
    Teach your kids correctly, and not to be blind to reality, and they'll be fine.
    Kids fall down when learning to walk, but will never learn to walk, if your constantly carrying them.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 9:32 a.m.

    I have to thank hard liquor alone for my own existence, as conception was predicated upon its heavy utilization, or so the story goes. I, for one, feel that if cohabitation and hard liquor are integral to boosting the birth rate in America, especially along the rust belt and northern climes.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 2, 2015 9:14 a.m.

    What do these "intellectual genius'" think will happen when you mix co-habitation and booze? Duh!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 9:10 a.m.

    In today's twisted world, we can expect some lawyer to (successfully) challenge same-sex dorms as discrimination against heterosexual students.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 9:03 a.m.

    The presence of these rules should be part of the overall education process and experience. Finding workarounds engages the students in all kinds of skill development.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 8:29 a.m.

    Living conditions should be something like the hotel where Peggy lives in the ABC series Agent Carter?

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2015 8:02 a.m.

    American universities have abdicated responsibility on a number of fronts not the least of which is unreasonable tuition. The return on investment for a college degree today often times is not good when you factor in the outrageous cost of tuition. Co-ed dorms are a discrace to common sense and are just another indicator of a once great society that has lost it's way. Little wonder people of faith in other cultures believe America is so bad. As a great religious figure once warned an aspiring young presidential candidate - the chickens will come home to roost!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 2, 2015 5:34 a.m.

    "I believe that intellect and virtue are connected"

    It would be interesting to have that expounded on.