Bengamin Franklin said " wine is proof God loves us". He was also a
real "ladies man" and had one illegitimate child. As one of the most
brilliant men who ever lived, I don't see where intellect and virtue are
The 2nd Amendment is a right, you are NOT required to participate in, it's
a choice. Freedom is yours with or without your precious weapons. Now you think that with drugs, and alcohol, and premarital sex, and non-adult
adults, guns are what is needed?At 18 you can be forced to fight and
possibly die for your country, you are an adult.Just because religious
teetotalers treat those adults as children will not change that fact.You want freedom for the parents, not the students. Same as the old men
who decide that young men should die for their benefit.
@gmlewis,You are legally an adult at 18. Google "Age of
majority" (Wikipedia). I only have 200 words."The age of
majority is the threshold of adulthood as it is conceptualized (and recognized
or declared) in law. It is the chronological moment when minors cease to legally
be considered children and assume control over their persons, actions, and
decisions, thereby terminating the legal control and legal responsibilities of
their parents or guardian over and for them. Most countries set majority at
18"...You are correct that you can't drink, smoke, etc, at
that age, but you are legally an adult (you can make contracts, don't need
a legal guardian, can marry, etc.This is what they said in
Wikipedia..."Age of majority should not be confused with the age of
sexual consent, marriageable age, school leaving age, drinking age, driving age,
voting age, smoking age, etc., which all may be independent of, and sometimes
set at a different age from, the age of majority"...So most
college students are adults. Young adults... but adults.They need
to gain maturity. Some are not ready for a co-ed living environment. But they
18 year old's have the right to vote, and that is a cherished right.
However, it doesn't make them an adult.There is only one way
that an 18 year old is an adult - if he or she is totally self-sustaining. A
private in the Army is an adult. A student going to college on his
parent's dime isn't.
@Happy Valley HereticRe: "Not trusting your children, is the
parents problem"... and "College isn't there to babysit for
you"...and "Part of growing up is cutting those apron straps
helicopter parents"....and "Want strict rules and limited freedom,
check yourself in at a religious institutional college"....You
talk about "FREEDOM" when Co-ed dorms are the topic. I
suspect you change your tune if the topic were 2nd Amendment rights for
students, instead of providing co-ed dorm experience, sex, alcohol, drugs,
etc...The co-ed dorm experience MUST be protected... Constitutional
rights.. not so much...Did you support FREEDOM when Utah said the
Constitution needed to be observed... Even on College Campuses. Even 2nd
Amendment rights?I doubt it.You people think college
students can't be trusted with their Constitutional rights... but their
right to a co-ed dorm experience MUST be protected.... I don't see those
co-ed dorm rights you protect anywhere in our Constitution! Do you?If FREEDOM is key to learning and self control... they should be trusted with
learning to control their full freedoms outlined in the Constitution, not just
learning about the other sex (IMO).
I loved my Co-ed apartment complex. It made college fun and I even meet my wife
because we lived in the same building. Now a Dorm is a little bit different
since the bathrooms and showers are not in the room but in a public area. I can
see issues that can arise with a public bathroom where a bad person can get easy
access to the person in the bathroom. The alcohol part will never
work. Try telling college students not to do something and see how well that is
going to turn out.
It is reasonably hard to get into top universities. Certainly willing,
motivated, deserving students are not admitted to take the number of slots
available. It is also against the law to drink under the age of 21, yet alone
binge drink. The latter might be hard to prove (was it too much liquor?) but
certainly ample evidence of drinking. And underage drinking should be grounds
for expulsion from any institution of higher learning serious about that
purpose.Accepting and allowing that underage students will drink,
when it is clearly against law, is complete hypocrisy and unacceptable. Living
in Colorado, where CU is vying for the top party school rep, is embarrassing.
Either change the drinking age law or get serious about the public funding for
"Co-ed dorms are a discrace to common sense and are just another indicator
of a once great society that has lost it's way. Little wonder people of
faith in other cultures believe America is so bad."Co-ed housing
exists in virtually every major college in almost every industrialized nation...
I'm also not sure how advocates of personal responsibility are
suddenly turning into nanny state advocates.
BYU is probably the most virtuous university in the United States and
academically it is respectible but isn't in the top tier. Protestent
Christian colleges are quite virtuous, but adadamically they are lacking.
I think whoever wrote this article is just scared that the supreme court is
going to eventually let gay couples live in BYU married student housing.
It's a comin' so get ready for it.
Spangs: "I have to thank hard liquor alone for my own existence...I...feel
that...cohabitation and hard liquor are integral to boosting the birth rate in
America."Now days you would have been aborted. You may want to
thank your mother for letting you live.
If college is a chance to prepare a student intellectually and socially for
"the real world", why would they return to single-sex dormitories? My
dorm had secure access, dorm parents, and resident assistants to keep watch.
Was it perfect? No. Could students sneak around? Yes. Still, it
was a controlled exposure to what is really out there. Freshmen were required
to stay in the dorm. If they chose off-campus housing as a sophomore, they were
better prepared for what was ahead.
Then there is the fact, that people going to collage are adults. In the dorm
many will be under the age of 21, but that won't stop them easily finding
booze (or someone to buy it for you) at the collage level. The
Dorm's are a special place. First off most people in the dorms are in
their first or second year of collage. This would put many under the age of
21.Normally I'm opposed to placing more limits on adults. But the
dorms are one of those things that require special attention. Now from my
recollection most parties happen in housing around campus, and although people
are "partying" at the dorms, its not like the Keg parties you might see
at a frat house.Bottom line, it is a good gesture to limit hard alcohol in
the dorms. If you can't keep it to beer, then perhaps it is time to
re-evaluate your life. I don't think will really stop hard liquor from
being consumed in the dorms. It will give the campus authorities more options
to deal with kids who are ruining it for everyone else. CoEd Dorms are another
single-sex dorms! Gasp!Didn't we have them for generations
and generations... until liberals told us they were not good?
I have to wonder whether the link between mixed dorms/drinking is spurious at
best. What schools usually have strict same gender dorms? Religious
institutions or private schools which means that the students are likely more
religious and less likely to drink in the first place. So is the fact that less
drinking goes on in same gender dorms due to the fact students are likely more
religious or at a religious university, or because of the same gender dorm
Co-ed dorms are a disgrace to common sense?I disagree, Not trusting
your children, is the parents problem. College isn't there to babysit
for you, It is there to teach.Part of growing up is cutting those
apron straps helicopter parents.Want strict rules and limited freedom,
check yourself in at a religious institutional college.Teach your kids
correctly, and not to be blind to reality, and they'll be fine.Kids
fall down when learning to walk, but will never learn to walk, if your
constantly carrying them.
I have to thank hard liquor alone for my own existence, as conception was
predicated upon its heavy utilization, or so the story goes. I, for one, feel
that if cohabitation and hard liquor are integral to boosting the birth rate in
America, especially along the rust belt and northern climes.
What do these "intellectual genius'" think will happen when you mix
co-habitation and booze? Duh!
In today's twisted world, we can expect some lawyer to (successfully)
challenge same-sex dorms as discrimination against heterosexual students.
The presence of these rules should be part of the overall education process and
experience. Finding workarounds engages the students in all kinds of skill
Living conditions should be something like the hotel where Peggy lives in the
ABC series Agent Carter?
American universities have abdicated responsibility on a number of fronts not
the least of which is unreasonable tuition. The return on investment for a
college degree today often times is not good when you factor in the outrageous
cost of tuition. Co-ed dorms are a discrace to common sense and are just
another indicator of a once great society that has lost it's way. Little
wonder people of faith in other cultures believe America is so bad. As a great
religious figure once warned an aspiring young presidential candidate - the
chickens will come home to roost!
"I believe that intellect and virtue are connected"It would
be interesting to have that expounded on.