Yes, Gov. Herbert by all means now is the time to raise taxes with a projected
638 million dollar surplus. How about just getting back the $13 million from the
deal with the contractor that didn't get a contract and didn't do any
Herbert will already raise more taxes because now that people can afford more
gas, they will drive more and spend much more on taxes. Now he wants even more
taxes? G R E E D Y mean anything to anybody?
Herbert has already increased the gas tax by increasing the speed limit.
I think it is time that somebody stands up and says that the real problem is
those who are using the education system the most are those who pay the least
amount of taxes in this state. The gas tax once again hurts those out working.
I have no option but to drive to my job. Trax is only great if you live along
the corridor and work downtown. If you work anywhere on the west side of the
valley your are sunk as far as transportation except your own car so yes
let's punish those people once again. How about this after 2 dependent tax
deductions you know longer get credit for those children beyond 2 think of the
tax revenue that would generate, but there is not a politician in this state
that would ever even consider that idea.
I am so sick of robbing the gas tax for other than building roads. If education
needs more money then do it honestly and take it out of the budget, not roads.
If the gas tax was protected there would be enough. We do not need a new gas
Let's see, Surplus=Tax Hike??? How can this be? I can agree to get rid of
the state gas tax and put in a mileage tax on your registration renewal, I could
deal with that. Gas tax hike equals NO VOTE FOR Herbert in the next election,
especially if he is proposing it! Utah is one of the heaviest Fuel Taxed States
In The Country already! Gotta love a politician, "gas prices are low,
let's raise the gas tax!" How about "Politicians are evil, vote
them out of office!" These guys are supposed to be looking out for our best
interests, we need to remember that. This country is founded on the principle,
"We The People", not "They the Elected"......... No to gas tax
The gas tax is the fairest tax there is, Those who oppose are the same ones who
most likely gripe about potholes, dangerous roads and traffic congestion. Roads
are expensive. If you don't want to pay for them you should utilize UTA or
stay home. If you raise the tax 10 cents that would be $2.00 increase on twenty
gallons. That would pay for two dollar burgers. Since gas mileage gas
increased on newer cars twenty gallons would take drivers a lot further. A gas
tax increase would most likely decrease what you pay at pump as compared to a
year ago. If you are the ones that complain about UTA being subsidized consider
how much your private vehicle is being subsidized by the state.
Oh oh....It is time to put more tax code manuals in the out house to
use for toilet paper....LOL!
Hey, folks, you cheered when Herbert blew at least a half million of the
state's money on an effort to deny gays equal rights when he knew--or
certainly should have known--that it was a lost cause. I know that you are
convinced that there is absolutely no correlation between low taxes and low
services, polluted air, crummy schools, underpaid teachers who move somewhere
else or quit teaching altogether, and kids-at-risk who end up in the criminal
justice system--but hello, there is such a thing as cause and effect. And
please, none of this "let's get rid of waste and abuse rather than
raise taxes". If you know about "waste and abuse", be specific.
Renewable energy is a lie and a hoax. Its not cost effective and more than
double the cost to put into service. Renewable energy does not exist, everything
to create energy uses energy and oil to get less for higher cost. Coal and oil
are still the most cost effective and environmentally safe energy sources. Wind
turbines and solar panels have limited use and too expensive. We can switch to
other limited use means but you have to give up something in return, reliable,
sustainable, full time electricity. Brownouts and blackouts are common to
limited energy power.We don't have water resources to waste
hundreds of thousand of water a day. Once water is used for oil fracking it
becomes too toxic to recycle or clean, its worse than nuclear waste water and
requires the same means of store it forever from the environment, limiting
resource, water.The sky is not falling, the freeze zone has moved
south of the pole and global warming is the earth in adjustment to many factors
including smoking mirrors and lies.
obviously he makes more money than 25,000 a year. I'm scraping by as it is.
I am sure I am not the only one.
Just a thought: Instead of raising gas taxes why not make UDOT accountable for
it's misuse of public funds on the Legacy project and others? Any time you
have to pay millions of taxpayer dollars to a company for not winning a bid and
then let the enviro quacks cost you over 200 million in delays without
compensation something definitely is wrong with the management of the projects.
Get your house in order before you cry for more money from an over taxed public
@Red Smith"Every car should be gas taxed equally."They
are gas taxed equally, you're the one who wants it to be unequal because
you're upset that other cars have better fuel mileage and thus need fewer
gallons for the same miles.@100%TruePatriot"Consumption
tax would stabilize the economy. "It'd increase taxes on
the poor and most of the middle class. That's not stabilizing at all.
@My2Cents"Lower gas prices the less likely the oil companies will want
to frack for oil in Utah because it cost over $3.00/gal to mine and process
shale oil. He wants to raise the tax on crude oil and give tax break to shale
oil production so these oil companies can profit by making crude oil more
expensive to sell in Utah"Raising the gas tax a couple cents
isn't going to make any real difference in this regard.
Just a little history lesson for all those that say sure raise gas taxes. First: Britain. They had prices at about 3 dollars a gallon. Politicians taxed
them to death and when oil climbed to 100 dollars a barrel, the cost to buy a
gallon of gasoline now is almost 12 dollars a gallon. The taxes weren't
removed when oil hit record costs.Second: Canada. Gasoline cost 25 cents a
gallon. Liberals decided to tax it with each budget, raising the cost to 1.00 a
gallon. Then world oil prices skyrocketed and the cost for one gallon in Canada
reached almost 6 dollars a gallon. Were the taxes reduced - nope, they remain in
effect, because government profits off the taxes collected at the pump.The
governor now wants to impose even more taxes, figuring no one minds paying 3 - 5
dollars a gallon, since world oil prices dictated that amount. What happens when
oil hits the roof again. Simple: costs go to 10 dollars a gallon and will
citizens be happy - nope.
So, the governor wants to raise taxes on gasoline, when he knows beyond all
doubt that the increase in funding education is to give illegal aliens a free
education, he wants to force even more marxist propaganda on students through
the idiotic common core education system that penalizes intelligent students and
forces everyone onto the lowest denominator. With a 600 million surplus, he
should be lowering taxes, not raising them even further. That is just lunacy and
destroys economies, it doesn't benefit them. When the people hire complete
and utterly incompetent individuals to leadership positions, they will
immediately try to corrupt the system for their own selfishness and greed.
Return society to one that benefits everyone and politicians are out for their
own agenda at the citizen's expense. Education is simple - math, reading,
writing, learning real history, geography,and learning English. Money should
NEVER be thrown away on catering to students that have no respect for any of
those, but want the same benefits.
Only a politician can tell us with a straight face that they want to:"Raise gas taxes to pay for fixing roads"then turn around
and take millions in gas tax money and spend it on mass transit. Let the mass
transit riders "pay their fair share" for the transportation they
use.Worse, Gov. Herbert wants to take hundreds of millions of gas
tax money and spend it on "education."If you want money for
education, then at least be honest (i know, tough for politicians) and tell us
you are raising an education tax.State government should be cut, and
every year every program should be reviewed for elimination or downsizing if it
is not essential, efficient, and not duplicated by other programs. Then, give back surplus taxes collected to the people from whom it was
confiscated! We need to shrink government and its programs, not expand them.
Nature abhors a vacuum...and politicians hate it when the their constituents get
a tax reprieve.Now that we have one, due to lower gas prices, and have a
little spending money in our pockets for Christmas, we are threatened with it
being taken away....again.In the last 5 1/2 years, beginning with
two years ago, those living on a "fixed" income, have gotten as 2%
Social Security raise, to offset inflation. That 2% over 5 years! The lower gas prices were a long time in coming. Obama did nothing to lower
them. He evened promised that our energy cost would go up! He hates the fact
that oil is being produced on private land (for which he took credit [Anyone
remember the Keystone Pipeline debacle?"] in the last Presidential
election). Give the people a break, Governor and stop acting like a
democrat...you and Speaker Boehner. What do you ower the UEA? They donate 10
times more to the democrats than the Republicans. Is that what you support? No new taxes...anywhere. Reduce costs which are irrevelant, and
I have never been able to figure out why Utah gets to claim to be one of the
most conservative states when they love taxes so much. I lived in south SLC for
six months or so in the mid 80s, from October to May. In 1983, got a tax
refund from both the feds and my home state and paid $19 for just under 3 months
making just over minimum wage. In 1984, I got a tax refund from the feds and my
home state and paid around $40 for the four months I lived in south SLC, making
just over minimum wage. In the early 90s, we had a business license in Utah and
got the privilege of paying a minimum $100 income tax in spite of never stepping
foot into the state to do business that year. ATTENTION UTAH REPUBLICAN POLS:
Taxing citizens to death is NOT conservative and does not attract
businesses/jobs to your state.
I thought Republicans we're supposed to be against But apparentl
there's no opportunity that any there's no opportunity that any
politician can pass up to want to raise taxes.
Driving through Utah I must say is a pleasure in that your roads and freeways
seem in excellent condition.Here in Oregon roads are OK but not quite as
good.Oregon's gasoline taxes are higher than Utah's, how can it
then be the roads are bit more needful of attention.
Along with raising the gasoline tax for consumers, it is long past time to raise
the severance taxes paid by the extractors, of resources. Unless furthering
corporate welfare at the expense of the populace is the goal. Also time to
embrace efficiency, opposed to punishing it by taxing more heavily clean
No it isn't time to raise gas taxes. Right now they are almost 25% of
total gas price. I thought we elected these guys because they are Republicans
and are against taxes.
"Gov. Gary Herbert: Now is the time to raise gas taxes"Acting like a true politician. How's the time for UTah to toss Herbert
I think it is time Herbert starts talks about reducing the size, redundancy, and
scope of Government first
It was so nice to hear that we had a surplus and capital hill was salivating
over where they could use it. Need they be reminded that that is OUR
money. Boy, wouldn't I love to have an excess after I pay my bills.Why not return it to it's rightful owners. Living on a fix income leaves
us with little perks, and hearing that we have been over taxed creates anger at
politicians who don't think that they need to budget as well. I'm all for taxing on mileage, since we would have little to pay for
those grocery and doctor excursions we barely can afford to take these days.
It would be refreshing if politicians were just as eager to discuss lowering
taxes when retail prices are high.Seriously though now is the time
for road maintenance and development to take advantage of lower material and
transportation costs. It is not quite so certain that tax increases are even
Tax and Spend regressive re-Publicans...Priceless.
Governor, now is the time to reduce taxes on everything and reduce the size of
the budget too. You have become a professional politician who has lost contact
with ordinary people.
It's never a good time to tax people. Now is not a good time. Most people
are barely making ends meet. Please, let us just come up for air--financially
wazzup, you are horribly misinformed if you think gas taxes are being used for
other purposes than transportation.The gas tax takes in about 300
million per year. UDOT spending is well over 1 BILLION per year.We
are heavily subsidizing transportation through other taxes. We are stealing the
money that should be going to education and other programs and spending it on
roads,Road spending should be paid for by road users, in proportion
to the wear and tear and congestion they cause, and the gas tax is a better way
to do that than tolls. Subsidizing roads via sales tax on general goods is a
Perhaps now is the time to start thinking about lowering gasoline taxes? Tax on
transportation should fully support the cost of transportation and
infrastructure. Not sure funds should be diverted to education or other
Tax, tax, tax....keep taxing us until we have nothing more to give but give the
Governor and staff raise increases that blow my mind (he's an elected
official) while the rest of us struggle to provide for our families, keep our
jobs, and do the best we can while not living off the taxpayers! Let's get
real governor. Who pays for all of this? The Utah taxpayers do! When will the
state give raises to those who are putting their lives on the line ie: Police
Officers, Firefighters, Dispatchers, first responders. At least they are helping
others not taking away.
Be certain that any gasoline taxes are spent on roads and not something else.
It just seems to me that State and Federal governments already collect too much
in the way of taxes. I'm sure there is much waste in government that can
be cut out. I appreciate services that are provided by the state but it's
time to simplify. Work to do more with less. We as families do it all the
I was thinking a month ago, gas prices are coming down, yeah, then I said
who's going to be the first idiot to mention a higher gas tax? Do our
Politicians think were stupid! We all know gas is going to go back up. Then were
There is a far easier way to fix most of the problems.1) Abolish the
income tax and fuel taxes - actually ALL taxes. No special taxes for ANYTHING.
No beer tax, cig tax, nothing. Not even property taxes. Eliminate them ALL
(except for out of country money transfers which should be taxed at 90%)Eliminate all 'tax write offs' for everyone since there won't
be any income taxes.2) Instill a 'consumption' tax.
Estimates have it at about 35% for all federal, state, and local taxes needs
combined. Of course place a maximum limit on what each government can
'collect' for their share of the consumption tax.That way
everyone pays their fair share and revenue starved governments can have what
they need to function.Consumption tax would stabilize the economy.
Consumption tax would make even illegals pay their fair share. So that would go
a long ways into helping fix the immigration issue.
Dear Gov. Herbert and Utah voters: we have a real problem with oil and gas
corporations that is not being addressed. I have asked your office many times.
Taxes won't fix it either.They give you money for your elections
(every election that is considered important to influence) and then you/other
public officials support them in varied ways.This kind of behavior
is wrong and unlawful.You personally appointed lobbyist Cody Steward to be
Utah Energy Advisor after Mr. Steward secured $235,000 for your 2012
governor's campaign. Gov. Gary R. Herbert you are not alone in
Using/Supporting this kind of bad behavior. It is how our society has been
operated for over 100 years. That does not make it right or constitutional
lawful.....It does mean it is very hard to oppose how things work.BRIBERY:
The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the
purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her
public or legal duties.People/DeseretNews Team; Ask this one Q&A
so we can debate and end open corruption of pubic offices."IS
SHARE HOLDER'S MONEY SPENT ON PROFIT or FREEDOM OF SPEECH?"
Please tell me that what I read isn't really true! If we are collecting
tax on gas for the purpose of raising funds for transportation, spend it on
TRANSPORTATION! That's one of the reasons our Social Security system is in
trouble. Stealing money from SS to fund other programs. NO!And
just because gas is cheaper now doesn't mean it won't go up again to
$3.50 per gallon. I suppose the governor will then remove the $.10 gas
increase? Not a chance! What a ludicrous argument because gas is cheap now.Higher Ed needs to pull back on their spending as well! No more
frivolous classes that require a highly paid professor! The U is getting a lot
more money from the P12 and they still need government funds to pay for their
athletic endeavors? C'mon. Enough already.
This would be a lot more palpable if the Utah petroleum industry didn't
force us to live with the highest...or among the highest...gas prices in the
country. They are a greedy bunch to be sure. And higher taxes will give them
more cover to continue to gouge us. I'm continuing my one-person protest to
stay away from their "convenience" stores; I have to buy their fuel but
don't have to further line their bulging pockets by purchasing their
over-priced groceries and goodies.
Now is the time to curb unnecessary spending, allocate some of that 638 million
to the underpaid teachers and begin to think of ways to invest in Utah's
future. Better education gets my vote.Raising taxes because gasoline
is temporarily cheap is a terrible thought. Is Herbert a Democrat or what? I
don't recall voting for a Democrat.
Previous posster "Editorial Notes" hits the nail on the head when he
states "Win-win for Herbert again - gets to walk both sides of
transportation and education. Sort of like walking both sides of Count My
Vote"! Add to that his smoke and mirrors, "Healthy Utah"
dog and pony show to satisfy the "Activists" of the party while
pretending to be concerned for the thousands without health care.Again quoting "Editorial Notes", " Whatever keeps him in votes, he
is all for."
Electric cars, natural gas cars, and high mpg cars getting 50 miles per gallon
don't pay their fair share of gas taxes.Some cars pay 3 times
the gas tax as other cars. yet both car drive the road for equal miles.We need to collect the at pump, then when people register their cars collect
off the high mileage cars based on miles driven.Every car should be
gas taxed equally. Lots of cars are skirting the tax with high mpg.Or just have all cars be taxed on miles driven at time of registration.
Stop planning for additional confiscation governor! The mindset should be how
citizens can get back more of their own money, not what new projects you can
spend on with windfall surplusses and new taxes.
We should take note of what has happened to California. They have taxed the
population into a stalemate. Now companies are leaving the state because they
can't afford to do business there. Also, gas prices will go up again. Gas
prices effect everything from food to taking the kids to school. I say no to
more gas taxes.
I am left to assume by LeVar Webb's column last Sunday that those who
support this poor idea are the "main stream Republicans" of the state?
And those opposed to cranking up taxes are the "activist" of the party
that need to be silenced...after all...Herbert is a Main Streamer, right?Governor Herbert must be very secure in his re-election bid to suggest
with a straight face that we can "smoothly absorb" a $.10 gas increase -
and should have that conversation. Win-win for Herbert again - gets
to walk both sides of transportation and education. Sort of like walking both
sides of Count My Vote. Yep, looks like a Main Streamer to me. Whatever keeps
him in votes, he is all for.
Maybe the state could cut back on all the frivolous and ultimately pointless
lawsuits over federally owned public lands and save a little money that way.
Millions have been wasted over the last several years trying to claim cattle
trails as jeep roads, or trying to take possession of public lands for private
gain. Enough already!
Fees Fines Taxes and Inflation, has gouged me to death. That's too
expensive to do.
As I've said before: real conservatives who understand the economy, like
Greg Mankiw (Romney's main economic adviser and chair of Harvard econ
department), support large increases in the gas tax. We shouldn't have a
single cent of transportation spending coming from any other source.Asking for a low gas tax isn't a free-market move, it's asking the
government to subsidize your road use. If there are public roads they should be
paid for by their users, and the gas tax is a much better way than tolls- easier
to collect, more convenient for users, and it automatically takes into account
costs like the wear and tear heavier vehicles cause.The distorted
incentives caused by subsidizing road use are crippling our transportation
system with congestion, crippling our air quality, and crippling our
state's financial future as the billions spent by UDOT has to come from
somewhere.The gas tax should be substantially raised and then tied
to inflation.(Proposals to make the gas tax a constant fraction of
the price of gas are much worse than inflation indexing, as they amplify the bad
effects of volatility in gas prices.)
The time was 10 years ago. 20 years ago. 30 years ago. And take that money and
put it toward renewable energy and pollution control measures.
Randall O’Toole of the CATO Institute published a commentary in the
Huffington Post on 3 July 2014 titled “Five Reasons Not to Raise the Gas
Tax.” Though the article refers specifically to federal highway taxes, it
could just as easily be applied to state highway taxes.The answer is
not to raise taxes but to change the way spending is allotted and executed.
Let's eliminate the gas tax, and have a mileage tax in it's place.
Then those driving vehicles that use alternative fuels will pay their fair share
for their use of the roads.
Heck no it's not time. We have some of the highest fuel taxes in the
nation. Hope about some more sin TAX....like a lottery!
Why doesn't the state simply move the annual state surplus to highway
issues and STOP talking about further tax increases. Each year the state ends up
with a budget surplus. This means the tax rates are already higher than they
need to be. Does the state return these overcharges in taxes to us, the
taxpayer--no, they continue to spend it on their pet projects.
It makes perfect sense. We already have more money than we know what to do with.
Instead of spending any of it, let's levy another tax on one of the most
heavily taxed states in the Union.
Right. The government needs more of our money even when they have $623 Million
extra dollars this year. And now that gas is at a 3 year low hey sure ad it on
no one will miss it. No wonder why everyone is starting to hate ALL
Governor Herbert has many reasons for this idea to deny the working class any
amount of prosperity to return to their incomes and cost of living to go down. A
socialist cannot allow prosperity, its cripples their power and hold on the
subjects of governemt.His reasoning is that we have been used to
being ripped off for 20 years as consumers and any iota of prosperity and not
needing government will rob him of his political power. Lower gas
prices the less likely the oil companies will want to frack for oil in Utah
because it cost over $3.00/gal to mine and process shale oil. He wants to raise
the tax on crude oil and give tax break to shale oil production so these oil
companies can profit by making crude oil more expensive to sell in Utah.
Regulating industry and consumer prosperity by taxation is unconstitutional and
fraudulent.The lie about education and funding losing to UDOT and
other state agency's is a product of his own design. Educations funds are
being illegally funneled and siphoned from the education budget with fraudulent
misappropriations to all state and private businesses and colleges using taxes
funds in stock market schemes.
Gasoline taxes are a better alternative than toll roads or bad roads that
don't get enough maintenance.
I'm concerned as a Democrat that our own State Democratic representatives
can't support a Republican Governor's inquiry into gasoline and
e-cigarette taxes. Our Democratic spokesman sounds more like a Republican in
sheep's clothing who has already been cowed into appeasing the opposition
party even before the State Legislature convenes in January. I don't have
any problem with a 1 or 2-cent gasoline tax hike along with indexing the
gasoline tax for inflation. It's time to begin to think about the
excessive gasoline use by drivers and offer more incentive to public mass
transportation. Let those who drive more and use less gas efficient cars and
trucks pay more for the use of our public transportation system.
This is the character of the "leaders" we have elected. To tax for one
purpose but spend it on another. To say they can raise taxes without doing any
harm.The power to tax is the power to destroy.A little
honesty and fair-dealing would go a lot farther than all these deceitful games.
Need to start taxing Green cars to pay for the roads.