Americans were 55% against the 1986 amnesty that proved to be a failure. We
don't need reform, we need mandatory enforcement, and for business to pay
deportation costs for their illegal workers and their children.
@Thid Barker:"...when we get a conservative President, he can follow
Obama's lead, ignore congress and strike down all gun control
laws..."Conservatives aren't that maladroit."...mandate traditional marriages, repeal Obamacare..."Those are good things."Under Obama, what is congress'
role?"Under an Emperor-in-Chief we don't need a
Congress.@Sal:"Why didn't Obama do something for the
illegals when Democrats had full control of all three branches of government the
first six years of his presidency?"Democrats apparently are not
that astute.@pragmatistferlife:"This whole Obama has
destroyed the world theatre is really getting tiring.BO has not
destroyed the world theater, just the American way.
For many people, it would not have mattered what Obama decided to do, it would
automatically be wrong. They have had decades to do something and nobody seemed
to care. Why don't they blame prior presidents for doing nothing? Those who
complain about what he has done should have some better idea, right? I think
that this issue is not as easy to solve as some people think. Many of these
people came as children and making them return to their country would be the
same as making any of us go live in another country. At the same time, our laws
were broken. You have to consider that we were aware of what was happening for
years and nobody did anything. How many laws have a statue of limitation? Does
that apply to immigration? I am glad I don't have to make those decisions.
Obama has said that recent undocumented immigrants are some of the brightest and
best the world has to offer. What gives America the right to "steal"
these people from the countries their birth who need their talents so much more
So all of you that are so concerned about the law and the constitution why are
you not outraged at those who ILLEGALLY hire these people that you want
deported? If there where no jobs for them they would not come. They would
return to their home countries. As long as we keep allowing businesses to hire
cheap labor to increase their bottom line, we will have a problem with illegal
immigrants. As so many of you say so often, enforce our current laws. Lets
throw those who hire people here illegally in jail! That one thing alone will
do more to solve our illegal immigration problem than any other thing that could
See? "Helping people" is the hook here."The GOP" and
"helping people" should never be uttered in the same universe.
Tim,You seem to think this applies to the people who are currently coming
to America (to escape drugs, gangs, etc). It doesn't. You are required
to have to have been in the country at least 5 years evading the law for those 5
years for it to apply to you.So unless you knew they were going to
have these problems today in your home country (at least 5 years ago) and you
came here in advance to hide out until Obama came along... you can't take
advantage of the program Obama just made part of our immigration law.It's ironic that Obama's amnesty program doesn't apply to the
people who fled to America during HIS administration (kinda a coincidence that
he's been in office a little over 5 years, and this only protects people
who have been in the country over 5 years).It's almost like he
exempts HIS years in office from his own laws. This amnesty program only
applies to people who were here BEFORE he took office. The main parts of the
ACA won't go into law until AFTER he leaves office... What's up with that??
Was this story changed? I remember this letter saying it allowed his parents to
People who want to make a better life for them and their family come here
legally. Those looking for work, and knowing that they could be deported at any
time are just working the system.
Confused,Sandy, UT: Former President Bush, 2002 on TV, leans over the podium
with a smirk on his face and says "I don't see what the problem is they
(illegal aliens) are just doing jobs Americans don't want". That was
the beginning of the end of the proud American worker.History
repeats it's selfIn 376 AD, a large band of Gothic refugees arrives
at the Empire's Danube frontier, asking for asylum. In a complete break
with established Roman policy, they were allowed in, un-subdued. They revolted,
and within two years had defeated and killed the emperor Valens--the one who had
received them.Republicans allowed illegals into America to break the
American worker's wage. Now those illegals will become citizens and take
“Good, law-abiding citizenship is a key to more abundant, joyful living.
Taxes could be much lower, people would be more happy with their neighbors,
homes would be strengthened, and each individual would find more inner peace, if
laws were better observed.”LDS President Spencer W. KimballEnsign Magazine - 1977"While some immigration stories are
interesting tales of personal struggle, the failure of deceptive legislation
that would grant amnesty is a national indicator that legality must not be based
on convenience or individual circumstance. When it is, everyone expects to be
the exception and the rule of law crumbles into meaninglessness." --- Arturo
Morales-Llan the founder of Legal Immigrants for Immigration Law Enforcement.The problem is not a lack of love on the part of those wanting
enforcement. The problem, instead, is a lack of love on the part of many people
for the United States. The utter contempt for this nation, its sovereignty, its
constitution, its borders and its laws, is unmistakable. The
American Dream, the fruits of this nation , which people coming here illegally
enjoy so much, and feel entitled to -- do not exist independent of those
@CJB: "President Lincoln did something similar when he signed the
Emancipation proclamation."President Lincoln used his power as
commander in chief of the military to take an action against an enemy nation
(the Confederate States of America) with whom the USA was at war. Notice that
the Emancipation Proclamation applied only to slaves in the confederate States.
It did not apply to slaves in the border States, which States were still part of
the union.The slaves in the border States, States that remained part
of the union, were not freed until the 13 amendment was passed shortly after the
Union won the war. THAT was the right (or at least constitutional) way to make
that change.Just remember, that whatever power one president uses,
the next can use himself in very different areas. It was concerns over abuse of
power that caused many conservatives to condemn Bush for the Patriot Act.
Democrats may want to consider on what could happen when a future GOP president
decides that minimum wage laws, top tax rates, insider trading, or environmental
laws don't need to be enforced.
This is not just about people. It is about preserving this nation's
culture, economic, and national security. You need to read about 'amoral
familism' to understand the seriousness of the issue. Start with:Banfield, E.C., (1958), The Moral Basis of a Backward Society, Free Press,
Glencoe, ILAlesina, A. and Giuliano, P. (2013), Family Ties, in Handbook
of Economic Growth, Volume 2a, Aghion, P. and Durlauf, S. Eds., North Holland:
San Diego, CA. Then, search published literature. Keep to the
academically reviewed articles and stay away from the opinion pieces. When you
read the research you will understand the need to stop immigration from Latin
America and remove or economically drive out as many of the invaders currently
in this nation. It is imperative to prevent our economic future from being
destroyed by our culture assimilating the same social issues that cause the
latin nations to be failed states.
@EsquireJesus told the woman to go and sin no more. He didn't
tell her to keep breaking the law, and he would give her special permission to
continue committing adultery. To me, go and sin no more would be to return home
and come back legally, no more coveting, stealing or lying. Compassion would be enforcing the laws, not awarding the wrong behavior.
Wrz--"Businesses might be using cheaper illegal immigration labor to keep
costs down, but those savings are being passed on to the American consumer....
you and me"No they are not. Cheap labor goes right to the bottom
line, and pleases the stockholder. Everyone wants to be the
exception to the rule, thankfully the majority of people in the world have
chosen to come here legally. Over one million people each year.
@ wrz"Businesses might be using cheaper illegal immigration
labor to keep costs down, but those savings are being passed on to the American
consumer..."Right. That's the tired line we're always
given. And perhaps it's technically true. After all, business owners and
CEOs are consumers too.
No, Tim. It is about trying to maintain a civilized society by following the
rule of law. That provides the principles to help everybody.
Our current immigration laws are 10 years old, and the enforcement provisions in
all the previous reforms have never been enforced. Border fence, interior
enforcement, E-verify, and a visa entry-exit system all were part of the 1986
and 1996 amnesties. Until we find leaders who will enforce our laws, there is no
reason to "reform" (amnesty) them. Obama has proven he would not enforce
them. The LDS church has always advocated lawful immigration. There are no statutes of limitations on illegally coming here and the id
theft to illegally find work. Nor is business exempt from the felonies of hiring
people here illegally. Obama's waivers get the dishonest business owners
off the hook.
There is an easy fix for the GOP. Actually, pass a bill, iron out the
differences with the Senate bill and send it to BO for his signature. Problem
is the right wing extremist holding Bohener hostage want anarchy instead of
I agree with the sentiment of the writer's letter, and I share his
compassion for the individuals and families involved, and for the other families
that will not be affected.There is, however, one major problem
standing in the way for me in accepting the president's edict, which
overrules ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. And that is the essential rule of law about
which PeanutGallery spoke --the critical need to uphold the Constitution.
Obeying the current law --however inadequate it may be in this case-- is
essential to maintaining any kind of lawful and peaceful order in our society.
If we we start making exceptions to the LAW we run the destructive,
highly-probable risk of permanently damaging our Republic, which was designed to
protect the individual rights of every citizen.As much as I would
like to see the president's desire made into law, until it is, I have to
oppose what he has done in overriding the constitutional authority of the
Esquire: My argument was in response to the poster who said the Republicans had
the WH and both houses of Congress for six years and did nothing about
immigration. Funny how you easily shrug off my comment and seem to have no qualm
about someone blaming the Republicans. Put away your biases for log enough to
read these comments in context. Instead of being so sure of your rightness and
infallibility, you might actually allow a new thought to enter you mind. That
could be a revelatory experience for you since I doubt that has happened for
many years.Face it, the democrats are a party of blame. They revel
in their own perfections by pointing the distracting finger in another
direction. And if it has to stay in their own party, they turn on their own
people and sacrifice them (like Gruber). They would turn on you in a heartbeat
if you ever didn't tone the party line. Try it and see how much they really
care about you. You'll find it is nothing at all.
@joe5:"What about the two years when the Dems held the WH and both
houses of Congress? Are we conveniently forgetting that?"They
(Democrats) were busy shoving Obamacare down our throats. They apparently
can't walk and chew gum at the same time.@Karen R.:"It's in businesses' best interest to hire at the lowest wage
possible."Businesses might be using cheaper illegal immigration
labor to keep costs down, but those savings are being passed on to the American
consumer.... you and me. What I'm saying is, if illegal workers were to be
somehow kicked out of the country, wages would increase... as would the cost of
production and thus, consumer prices... prices you and I and the rest of America
pay for goods and services.@JoeBlow:"Does is seriously
make sense in both cases to 'round em up and ship em back to Mexico'
because the law is the law? Think about it."It's not
complicated... According to the US Constitution's 14th Amendment, everyone
is to receive 'equal protection of the laws.' Granted, this seems to
apply to state law but can reasonably be applied to federal law as well.
ordinaryfolks and other liberals...In the 60's and 70's
these illegal worked the jobs we did not want to do (Farm work, Janitorial,
hotels, etc..)But the in "Today's" world, they also
have taken over the construction trades because they are willing to work for
less. Which means a lot of our constructions are out of a job...JoeBlow...You sight one bill the house did not pass.. while
forgetting the 298 bills Harry Reid did not allow to the floor of the Senate
that dealt with Immigration.
Congress is under no obligation to "pass a bill". Obama has no
authority under the Constitution to demand that Congress pass any bill.
Congress serves the people, not the President. The people spoke loud and clear.
They told Obama that they were fed up with his high-handed abuse of power.
They told him that they were through with his belly-aching and his infantile
tantrums. They FIRED the Democrats that supported Obama. Now,
it's time to fire Obama. Somehow, he has convinced himself that he is
right and that the people of this nation are wrong. That's something only
a dictator would conclude. We had an election. The biggest change in American
history took place. If the only way that Obama gets the message is to be
impeached and then convicted, then let the process start.We fought
bloody wars to rid ourselves of Kings. The PEOPLE of this nation do not support
Obama's self-serving policies. His policies lost - big time. Even his
most ardent supports know that he and his policies are finished.
@ joe5, you arguments are irrelevant. Who cares what a prior Congress did or
didn't do? Republicans complain that the Congress from 2009 to 2011 passed
the ACA without GOP support, and now you are saying they should have passed
immigration reform? Wow. But now, we have a bill that passed the Senate with
the support of both parties. The House could deal with that bill and this whole
issue would be resolved. But again, the Republicans want Obama to not act, then
they want him act, then not act, and so on and so on. The GOP House can put
this to bed this week. What happened or didn't happen four years ago is of
re:one old manAs usually is the case the "devil is in the
details". When other presidents signed amnesty laws (Reagan and Bush) it was
AFTER congressional approval. What Barack is doing is unprecedented in that he
ignored congress - actually he arogantly by-passed congress right after an
election and to amplify the action he refused to even allow the new
"peoples" representatives to have any say in the matter. Just because
you can do something doesn't mean you should. Think for a moment if this
new precedent was followed by a GOP president in the future - ignoring a
Democrat congress and signing executive action for his own agenda. Do you think
the liberals like yourself would be howling from the roof-tops? Better believe
it and I can tell you what they would be howling ...."impeach him"
....and they would be correct!!! Don't be so ardent in your desire for
amnesty for illegals that you forget you are first an American citizen who
belongs to a constitutional republic - not a bananna republic!!
I'm a life long Republican, prefer Fox to other cable news, am not a fan of
Obama -- and I agree with this letter. I'm a lonely guy.I'm sick of the endless politicizing and demagoguing of the issue.
It's time to drop the political dogma and come up with solutions that
reflect reality. I tend to think liberals live in a fantasy world of theories
that don't work. This is one issue where the far right lives in a fantasy
world.As for Obama's announcement, I think it's a tempest
in a teapot. It gives a 3 year reprieve to folks who weren't going to be
deported anyway and puts many of them on tax rolls and identifies who they are.
Lost in all the noise about the illegal immigrants is the reason they came here
in the first place. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are here for jobs.
We have 'em, and they need 'em. And American citizens are loathe to
do 'em. And there really is not penalty to American citizens who illegally
employee illegal immigrants. Deal with the cause not the result if you expect
to see a different result.Secondly, just how much stomach does the
country have to deport every single last illegal in the country? How does that
play on TV - parents torn from their families in the dead of night? I
don't think so. Thirdly, just how much stomach does the
Republican/Tea Party Congress have to place harsh sanctions on those who employ
illegals? Will TV show us a CEO being hauled off to jail for hiring an illegal?
I seriously doubt that corporate American will allow the Republican/Tea Party
to infringe on their right to hire cheap labor.Fourthly, the issue
is so politicized that it is toxic waste to actually pass a bipartisan bill that
satisfies the needs of the country.
Thid and others who try to claim that Obama is creating illegal
"legislation" through this action are showing an abysmal lack of
understanding of the Constitution they claim to revere.An Executive
Order does NOT in any way create legislation.Executive Orders are
PERMITTED by the Constitution.Executive Orders have been used by
EVERY President since George Washington.
Missing the point. The problem isn't about the WHY are we doing this it is
about the HOW. We are a constitutional republic which has a separation of
powers. Without the separation of powers we reduce to a monarchy again (King
George of England). We just had an election where the people elected new
representatives for congress and it is the congressional legislative branch that
sets immigration laws and NOT the executive branch. The executive branch
enforces the law passed from the legislative branch. Obama has just ignored the
vote of the people and destroyed this constitutional process with his reckless
and lawless action. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you
should. In the past both Reagan and Bush signed amnesty laws ONLY after
congressional approval. Obama is by-passing the congressional approval which has
NEVER been done before and eliminates the checks and balances built into our
system. So again if you allow a president to assume this much power
then you no long have a separation of powers. Think if a GOP president decided
to do the same thing - by-pass a Democrat congress and set his own agenda like a
The legal immigration process stinks but letting all the illegal immigrants do
what they want spits in the face of everyone who did the process right. The only
way the problem will get better though is passing laws to fix the process. An
executive order is temporary. A law could permanently change the process and
provide funding to implement it. (Congress holds the purse strings.) Congress
needs to be the one to act and they need to fix the problem. It would be even
better if they could get the other countries involved where the illegal
immigrants are coming from and get them involved in the lives of their citizens.
Maybe if they could fix some of their problems so many people wouldn't feel
the need or desire to come here.
@ BrentBot, your list actually turned out to be a litany of Republican lies.
They have all been proven to not hold any water, even by the Republicans who
have investigated them. It's politics and propaganda, nothing more. It is a
pity that some still hold on to these lies.
What this is really about is that Congress (some or many in both parties) see
only political loss in passing a bill. All they need to work their will on the
executive and to take the pen from his hand is to PASS A BILL! But if they did
that, no matter what they passed they would risk losing votes for their next
election, so the smart move is to blame someone else, sue, stamp your feet,
impeach, shut the government anything but the one they they can do today and the
executive can't stop them: PASS A BILL!
Does 30 years make any difference when a crime has been committed? Sure, the
statute of limitation applies to citizens, just like the Constitution protects
citizens from the government's overreach into our lives. How
many Americans are out of work because illegal aliens slipped across the border
and took jobs from citizens? How many Americans are paying outrageous doctor
and hospital fees because illegal aliens used those doctors and hospitals
without paying for the services received? How many illegal aliens voted,
especially in those states where Obama and Holder outlawed the use of photo
I.D.?How many robberies, burglaries, rapes, home invasions, and gang
related violence were committed by illegal aliens?There is a way for
entry into the United States. Honorable people follow the rules. Honorable and
trustworthy people are welcome when their turn comes. Whether the
crime was committed yesterday or thirty-years-ago, until full restitution has
been paid and until that person is square and honest, a debt is still owed to
America and to those Americans who suffered because of illegal entry.
"That is what this issue is really about, helping our fellow human beings.
It's about people."No. The issue is about controlling
immigration into this country. We can't possibly take the entire world in.
And most of the entire world would come, looking for and food stamps other
government handouts if our immigration program was not controlled. We have laws
on the books to manage immigration that must be enforced to control
immigration.What Barack Hussein Obama is doing by letting in
millions of illegals is building his democrat vote base for the 2016 election.
He wants to have a one party government, democrat. No Republicans allowed.
Obama's actions are in direct response to Large Corporations and the Elite
who are running this country. America does not need these illegal immigrants.
We have enough American Citizens to fill the quotas for employment. America is
being fed a big lie by using the word "compassion" by our politicians.
If we didn't have the illegal immigrants, we would need and use less
resources. It is because we have these immigrants, more restaurants, schools,
etc are needed because of the increase in population. Without them, we would
need less. The immigrants are using up finite resources such as water, etc. in
the U.S. The idea that the more people you have the better the economy is, is a
farce. With more people, comes more disease and poverty unless it is carefully
planned. The invasion of illegals is planned only for the benefit of the large
corporations, lawyers and the elite.
There has always been a proper and lawful way for people to immigrate to the
United States. No one forced anyone to sneak across the border, to hide amongst
us, to use our schools, our hospitals, our identities. No one forced anyone to
break the law, yet Obama is so full of "compassion" that he refuses to
honor his most solemn oath, to protect and defend our Constitution. When I was just a boy, I saw my dad agree to a contract and then shake hands
to seal that contract. When I asked him if he would be signing papers, he
simply said, "If I don't keep my word, no piece of paper would change
who I am". Dad always kept his word. It was his bond. He expected the
same from everyone.Obama broke his "bond". His word is
worthless. Nothing he says can be trusted. If you think that I'm being
unduly critical, Obama was the one who told us that he had no authority to
legislate. No person who crept across the border believes in
upholding our laws. We don't need illegal aliens to tell us about law and
We hear over and over "the law is the law"Ok, For a minute,
turn on your logic hat.2 ScenariosScenario 118 year old sneaks in from Mexico 30 years ago to pick lettuce. Gets married,
buys a house and a couple of cars. Has 3 kids who have always lived in the USA.
They have jobs and houses and familiesScenario 218 year
old sneaks in from Mexico last year to pick lettuce. Sends money home to help
is family or his parents. No wife or kids or house or carDoes is
seriously make sense in both cases to "round em up and ship em back to
Mexico" because the law is the law?Think about it.
@ prelaxRe: the impact of illegal immigration on your family - I see
it frequently here in Houston, but it takes two to tango. Yours, mine, and ours
may be losing in this game, but someone is profiting and the lion's share
is going into the pockets of our fellow U.S. citizens, isn't it? It's
in businesses' best interest to hire at the lowest wage possible."The issue is really about honoring, upholding, and sustaining the
law."I don't believe those forwarding this argument truly
mean it. Reason: The example of Cliven Bundy comes to mind...
The people who will benefit from this action are those who clean our toilets,
mow our lawns, make our hotel beds, roof our homes, pick our lettuce, and mop up
after us when we get sick. Until the President's courageous
decision, these fine human beings had more than backbreaking work and poverty to
deal with. They also had to deal with a loud crowd of white people who want them
gone. Thank heaven they can now come out of the shadows and enjoy a little more
Some people says we should be merciful. My dad raised me to be obedient to the
law. And that is something it has been with me. For people with children this
example would work: "lets say you make up a rule that if they keep their
rooms clean you will buy them an ipad each. One child does nothing, his or her
room is always a mess. On the other hand your other child keeps his room
spotless. By the middle of the month you buy the ipad for the messy child for
mercy´s sake. Is that fair? What Obama did is exactly that. There are
thousands of people waiting in line, law-abiding citizens that would not dare to
break the law and cross illegally. What do you say to them? I think this sends
the wrong message, it says: "break the law, America will reward you for
that." discourage the law-abiding citizens. About mercy, I think the system
is merciful enough. I had to pay about 5000 for my children´s birth,
whereas my neighbor (undocumented lady) paid nothing for her two deliveries and
the government paid for it with the taxes I and everybody else paid.
What this issue is really about:1 - Maintaining the pool of exploitable
labor.2 - Continued availability of street drugs.3 - Easy access for
terrorists into the United States.4 - The weakening of the U.S.
economy.5 - Ongoing disruption of our social norms.In my
humble opinion these people who are illegally here trying to build a better life
for themselves and their families are pawns in a much bigger game than they
imagine, as are people like the letter writer. The people running the game have
no loyalty to their supporters, only to themselves. The illegal immigrants, the
newly legalized, and their supporters will all be discarded once they are not
longer useful to the game-masters.
Great letter. The people at the center of the wrath of the tea party are in
need of our help, our compassion, our resources. Let's roll up our sleeves
and find ways to help and do the help. Enough spouting off politically, enough
of building a fence - er sieve, enough of turning a blind eye to our friends and
neighbors needing help. This is not about opening borders or airports to the
world, this is about our southern border friends who share living space with us
in the (now) US southwest.I could go on, I have. The letter is better
than I've written. Great letter!
Typical that the "party of blame" still want to make this a Republican
problem. What about the two years when the Dems held the WH and both houses of
Congress? Are we conveniently forgetting that?The real argument
against this letter is that to help these people, other people have to be hurt.
Just like an earlier responder, I personally know people who have been hurt
economically, and in other ways, by the flood of illegals into our country.In my 60+ years of life, I've learned that you cannot lift others
by lowering yourselves to their level whether it be in economics or any other
area. You lift from above which means that we must maintain a robust economy to
be able to help others. While immigration issues are not the sole economic
problem we face, they are certainly contributors. In the 1960s, Eldredge Cleaver
said "you can't worry about the wolf at the door when you are in bed
with the cobra." Let's fix ourselves before we try to heal everyone
This executive decision is a reward for those who are willing to break the law.
Not only they crossed the border illegally, but they had to buy fake documents
and lie constantly in order to obtain employment. What about the honest people
who, after their visa expired, returned to their country because they would hate
to break the law?, What about those who are law-abiding and wait in line to get
a visa through a relative? They were not included in this deal. This decision
discourage people to follow the legal procedure, and encourage illegal behavior.
Confused.so, All the blame on Reid?How about when the
Senate passed a comprehensive immigration bill and the House refused to even
vote on it.Isn't that what you are blaming Reid for doing?I blame both parties for not coming together. But many (you perhaps?) want to
play the political blame game. All Harry Reid? Hardly. I see plenty of blame
to go around.According to Lindsey Graham - Graham mind you. Not
some shrinking violet.“Shame on us as Republicans for having a
body that cannot generate a solution to an issue that’s national security,
that’s cultural, that’s economic,” Graham said on CNN’s
“State of the Union.”The Senate has passed an
immigration bill three times, Graham said, adding that he “loves”
his GOP colleagues in the House.“I’m close to the people
in the House, but I’m disappointed in my party. Are we still the party of
self-deportation?” he asked.
I can't stand Obama's policies and I hate how this immigration
"executive order" came about but...I have to mostly agree with the
outcome. It would not be humane... or just... or right... or moral... or even
financially or logistically possible to ship back millions of illegal immigrants
that have natural born children and that are contributing to our society. We
were never going to ship back all five million anyway - let's quit kidding
ourselves with our tough rhetoric. With that said, if we don't button down
the borders then all of this is for naught and in five more years we'll be
talking about the same issue again.
Obviously the most Christian thing we can do is to welcome everyone in the world
who has Ebola to come here to get treatment. We should send hundreds of planes
to Africa and bring them all here. Let's set up a huge treatment facility
in New York City where we can take care of all of them.Nothing could
go wrong with such a Christian act, could it? The health of American citizens
should not be a consideration when it comes to helping others around the world.
Right?Likewise, opening our borders to everyone in the world who
wants to come here and enjoy the generous benefits of our welfare state is just
the Christian thing to do. The economic well-being of the U.S. and its citizens
should not be considered. There can't be a downside, right? Laws that get
in the way, should just be ignored.
Tim and JoeBlow....Let's put the blame where it belongs, stop
using the "Political" rants of either party...the blame is
not because the GOP would do nothing, nor it is the fault of the democrats...One person created this stalemate that has been going on since mid-term
of GWB second term...The man responsible? Sorry GOP, it is not
Obama... Sorry Democrats it is not GWB... the man's name is Harry
Reid...Even members of his own party is upset at the lack of action
this man has taken, but because Politics creates strange bedfellows, he was
allowed to retain the position...This whole stalemate was because
Harry Reid lack Integrity of his office.
This is a really great letter. It's too bad that conservatives will take
an un-Christian response. Their arguments against immigration reform and the
President's actions are based on false arguments that ignore reality,
compassion, and our American tradition.
Joe has it right "Those who scream the loudest for immigration enforcement
did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when they were in complete control of Congress and the
Presidency for 6 years."It's the same thing with health
care. How many opportunities were there over the last 70 years to "make it
better" and nothing. Dems tried and were rebuffed. Now something happens
and oh my, the world has ended. Let us not forget that the six
years under Bush when something could have happened he personally favored
action, and he issued nearly 500 signing statements where, he openly flaunted
his opinion that he may or may not enforce the law he had just signed because it
was his prerogative to choose.This whole Obama has destroyed the
world theatre is really getting tiring.
Why didn't Pres. Obama do something for the illegals when Democrats had
full control of all three branches of government the first six years of his
presidency? It wasn't politically expedient; he might have lost the 2012
election. He doesn't care about Hispanics; he cares about power. He has now freed up any future presidents to act like dictators, too,
and ignore the constitutional process. Bad for Hispanics as well as all
citizens. We are becoming another corrupt Mexico.
Sure, let's abandon the rule of law. What could go wrong?
Tim, your comments mimic the LDS Church's stance on the subject. I'm
sure you will get all the do nothing, constitution spouting Obama haters out in
droves about your letter.They will spout The Constitution,
dictatorship and all other sort of Fox News speaking points.Your
comments are honest and are what is at the heart of true American Values.The haters have no solutions! At least someone in our three branches of
government used their lawful powers to get this issue to the forefront. The
funny part is the GOP response! Of course, after more than 10 years, still no
solution out of that group!
Outstanding letter! Absolutely right.
Good thoughts Tim.you write "by this unnecessary six-year
congressional stalemate"By my count, the inaction has been far
far longer than "six-years"Those who scream the loudest for
immigration enforcement did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when they were in complete
control of Congress and the Presidency for 6 years.It only seems
like "six-years" because many only started to loudly complain when Obama
This issue is about the constitutional separation of powers, not immigration.
The President can not legislate, period! Obama has made congress irrelevant and
that is very dangerous and illegal. Obama won't be the last President we
have and when we get a conservative President, he can just follow Obama's
lead, ignore congress and strike down all gun control laws, mandate traditional
marriages, repeal Obamacare, and do what ever else he darn well feels like and
who is going to stop him? Under Obama, what is congress' role?
Sometimes a president just has to do the right thing. President Lincoln did
something similar when he signed the Emancipation proclamation.
Please consider the following: 1) This executive action supercedes existing laws
(yes, they are in serious need of overhauling), and bypasses some checks and
balances that are in place for various reasons (i.e., protecting USA citizens
from criminals & terrorists). 2) The POTUS has walked on the slippery slope
of superceding his authority (he, himself, has said so many, many times),
wherein this is Congresse's perogotive. So, you see, it really
isn't about being kind to the less fortunate. One can still feel for, and
want the best for those poor souls, which is one of the reasons that this nation
does have a living policy to accept immagrants - but let us do so through the
front door, not the back door. And let us have them get in line, as do peoples
fropm all nations, as they should have equal opportunity to immigrate to this
land of opportunity. And finally, let us screen them for our own people's
sakes, as we have an sacred obligation to protect our own, our wives, our
children, our aged parents, and our communities.Just my two cents...
The issue is really about honoring, upholding, and sustaining the law. When a
government or Chief Executive flouts the law as in gun-running on the border,
using the IRS to punish political enemies and throw an election, lie about the
reason for Benghazi, lie about the Affordable Care Act, not enforcing border
security, etc. everyone believes they needn't obey the law.Either we are a nation of laws or we aren't. Let's hope after this
disastrous administration, the Republicans do not continue in the path of the
Democrats to flout the law.
Of course it is about helping people. I can rob a bank and claim it was to help
people too. Enough bleeding heart drivel. Let's also remember that
without law we become a nation ruled by anarchy. We cannot select which laws we
will obey nor can the executive branch of government change and/or make law in
this republic. Making/changing law is the responsibility of the congress and no
amount of excuses (e.g. they wouldn't do it so I had to) will give the
POTUS authority to do that. His job is to enforce ALL laws not just the ones he
No, Tim, this issue is really about whether we’re going to respect the
Constitution as the supreme law of the land. Our Constitutional lawmaking
PROCESS is important, not merely the ends. If the president is going to violate
his oath of office by circumventing that process and issuing his own laws, then
we’re moving toward dictatorship and away from government by the people.
Why couldn't you go home with them, and come back together as a family?
You're right, it is about the people, what about those who come here
legally? Do you think they have been treated fairly? People come here because we
are a nation of laws, why do some feel they are above following them and should
be rewarded for breaking them?
Why couldn't you go home with them, and come back together as a family? You
would have citizenship in your parents country. You're right,
it is about the people, what about those who come here legally? Do you think
they have been treated fairly? People come here because we are a nation of laws,
why do some feel they are above following them and should be rewarded for
Unemployment, drugs and gangs are a way of life for Americans in the poor parts
of the inner cities, it's no excuse to break the law. Your
parents could have chosen to come here legally and made their lives and the
lives of the people affected by their unlawful presence here better. Instead,
like many people in our prisons, they chose to break multiple laws by coming
here illegally. My brother in law lost his business when he refused
to hire people here illegally, my brother worked construction until he was
replaced by a $7.50 worker, here illegally. A family friend use to clean 3
houses in the Cottonwood area, until a cleaning service, using illegal help took
her clients from her. And I dealt with id theft when a man in San Diego took my
Social Security number and tried use my credit. What makes your
parents so special that they should be rewarded for their in proper actions?
That's the issue isn't it, everyone thinks they should be the
exception, instead of taking responsibility for their actions.