"Guys, you need to remember or maybe you don't already know that
President Obama is a "Professor" holding a PHD and has been involved in
teaching at Harvard University on Constitutional Law. He is the best president
in history that KNOWS Constitutional Law. He knows what he can and can't
do. You guys don't know constitutional law like he does. So until you read
and take college credits on constitutional law, hold yourselves back putting
President Obama down."Just curious, how many presidents in
history have had the Supreme Court (a bunch of guys who study the Constitution)
come out with a unanimous ruling that the president has overstepped his bounds?
Sounds like either Obama doesn't know the Constitution, or he doesn't
respect it. Which is it?"ACA is here stay as millions are
pleased and happy so far and it gets better every year."If
another Gruber insight is your idea of better, then I can clearly see why you
voted for Obama. Millions may be pleased, but hundreds of millions are not, and
Mike is a really good senator and one of the smartest guys in congress. What I
have liked most about Mike Lee is his willingness to rock the boat and not be a
"good-ole-boy" like Hatch. We need lots of boat-rockers like Lee and
Cruz because our republic is at a tipping point and courageous leaders are at a
premium. Stopping Mr Obama from his 'King-ship" agenda should be
priority #1. Proposing bills - lots of good bills passed by the House and Senate
- to stack on Barack's desk is priority #2. Sadly the stack on
Barack's desk will probably just end up in the garbage but at least there
is no Harry Reid to cover for him anymore. Shine on shine on!!!!
To "Gary" I hate to tell you that your facts are totally wrong. First,
Obama was never a Professor. He was a Senior Lecturer. Second, he did not
teach at Harvard, he was a lecturer at the University of Chicago. Third, Obama
does not hold a PhD in anything. I think that Obama understands the
Constitution as well as you know Obama.How about you know your facts
about Obama before telling us how brilliant he is.We know that you
follow him blindly, and that many of your "facts" are wrong about
political issues. I just ask that you do some research on the guy and see what
he actually believes and does before you tell us how great his ideas are.
Guys, you need to remember or maybe you don't already know that President
Obama is a "Professor" holding a PHD and has been involved in teaching
at Harvard University on Constitutional Law. He is the best president in
history that KNOWS Constitutional Law. He knows what he can and can't do.
You guys don't know constitutional law like he does. So until you read and
take college credits on constitutional law, hold yourselves back putting
President Obama down. He has a brilliant mind and done so much good. He could
have done a lot more good had the House been more credible and respectful. ACA
is here stay as millions are pleased and happy so far and it gets better every
year. Immigrants reform is necessary and the House had the chance, but
filibustered on it so Obama gets to use the pen that the law allows him to do.
Executive Orders have been in existence since the start. As for abusing
executive order, Obama has used it the least compared to the many past
presidents that have. Make sure you know your facts before putting him down.
Start showing more respect for a president.
It is devious and hypocritical for Mike Lee. If he doesn't want Obama to
take action, then he and the Senate should act. It is a ridiculously simple
solution. But for literally years now, the GOP has refused to move a bill, The
one bill that did pass was in the Democratic Senate, with some GOP support, but
the GOP House has refused to act. Congress can fix this now. They don't
even have to wait until January. But they are more interested in playing games
and confronting the President. This morning I noted that ISIS and the
Republicans have a lot in common. They both hate Obama and the American
people.As for Romney, his puffing is unseemly. He lost the election.
He can't win a national election. So from the cheap seats, he takes his
shots. He and Sarah Palin were rejected and they won't go away. They are
hanger-oners who love the limelight. They are quick to criticize, and both offer
nothing by way of constructive ideas as alternatives.
Obama's so-called "amnesty" that those of Lee/Romney's ilk
complain about only allows immigrant families to stay together in the U.S. The
five million people affected are those who have children and established lives
here. Most of those children have never lived anywhere but here. What would Lee,
Romney and the rest of these people do? Deport children's parents and keep
them here--probably on public assistance? It's amazing how short-sighted
these people are. I'm from Massachusetts and like the Deseret
newspaper. But Utah voters: where did you come up with Mike Lee? You seem like
thoughtful, intelligent people. Surely you can keep him to one term.
Romney said "The president said that he was not on the ballot in the
election that was just held, but that his polices were. "Correct, just
as your policies were on the ballot 2 years ago and the voters soundly rejected
them and you. BO has the people's support to move forward and the vote he
got 2 years ago gives him the authority to do so.
@Big D wrote, "Private citizens' health care isn't a
constitutional responsibility of the federal government."Strictly speaking, neither are paved roads or food safety operations. I mean,
we all know that businesses can police themselves just fine. And gravel roads
were good enough for hundreds of years.So...do you support the
elimination of Medicare? Would you like to get rid of the meat inspectors and
sell off the interstate highways to private companies who will charge you tolls?
And since "private citizens'" general welfare is also not a
constitutional responsibility, how about you--personally--ditching your social
security. It is possible, you know--you can opt out and not have the 7.65
percent deduction from your pay. Trouble is, it's an irrevocable decision,
but you'll feel the same way when you're 65, won't you?
Romney seems to be predicting a Republican presidency. Ha-ha! That's why I
like the Deseret News--the only place left where you can still get the Romney
to Midwest Mom"Thank heavens for Fox? God help us."Nah! He is too busy laughingre: Cats pg 1 You can
determine motive? Really? Whats mine for saying Mikey & Willard are as
equally self serving as Obama.
@DixieDanSo Senator Lee was the cause of the state of Utah losing
"millions of dollars" as a result of the government shutdown? The
federal government should never have had that money in the first place. Way too
much of out tax money goes to Washington where our benevolent senators and reps
dole it out to those whom they favor. Go figure.
My how voters and politically vocal citizens have turned around since this
recent election!A spirit of kindness, understanding, apologies, sharing of
ideas, get togethers, and respect for our President abounds.Those who have
not been successful in their run for political office, do not seem critical. Those who have never before had ideas are now putting them out there. The questionable negativity and disrespect for the Presidency of President
Obama, even when he promotes previous GOP ideas and policies has disappeared.
Just like the era of politicians 50 years ago, Senators and Congressmen
are seriously, but respectfully talking to each other, trying to understand why
each thinks as they do.if only......
@ RanchHand - Huntsville, UT - "These two men are working to divide America,
frankly I am sick to death of Lee and Romney."Really?I'll top that, RanchHand.....I'm sick to death of Obama, Reid and
Pelosi. Can't wait until they are gone and literally pray that there is an
America left after they leave.Reality says you and I both can't
be right. Wise people know who of us is, the word being "wise"....
I wonder if the same anti conservatives are the same ones who spend their days
lauding the tribune & their attacks on anything conservative and
republican?I can't understand why Mike Lee is so criticized
because he had financial problems & had to sell his home. Funny, you say,
"well he doesn't understand our problems", and yet when you get a
man who has had some problems all you do is criticize him. Maybe he does
understand.BTW, the only one who could shut the government down is
the president & he loved it. He was even reported to have said, "make
sure it hurts!" And thus the WW11 monument, that is open to the public with
no barricades was shut down as well as all the national parks. We couldn't
just shut down the IRS, that would've gained wide spread support. I hope the Des News reports on Gruber and how low he and the administration
think of the American people. And yes, he was in the president's office
with the president as was reported by logs.
@LauraBilington:"Romney was all for the ACA when it was passed.
When it became obvious that the Tea Party was using it as a club against the
Democrats, he promptly changed his tune. It was OK for Massachusetts, he said,
but not for the whole country. He never did explain why."Does anybody
seriously think these guys have any ethics?"Huh? No Republican
in Congress voted for the ACA--not a single one. Do you think a former
presidential candidate with aspirations for another run at the WH would side
with Dems? Romney enacted 'Romneycare' IN MASSACHUSETTS. Though
similar in some ways to Obamacare, Romneycare was different in many details and
had the ENORMOUS difference of being enacted at the state, not federal, level.
As governor, Romney enacted legislation favored by his state's overall
population.Private citizens' health care isn't a
constitutional responsibility of the federal government. If Californians really
desire ACA-type protections and legislation, let them enact it through their own
state's legislature, just like Massachusetts did. People in Idaho, Wyoming,
etc. who overwhelmingly reject such government involvement shouldn't be
forced to participate.
To "one old man" as others have already pointed out. The productive
bills that would help cut health insurance costs and bills that would help get
the economy running at or better than pre-recession levels are all sitting on
Harry Reid's desk. That one person is stopping all open discussion and
preventing alternatives from being enacted.
Lia, the only limousine you saw pull up was the democrat's Liberal
Limousine. You know, the one that runs the government plantation.
It is interesting how many liberal commentors think that the government shutdown
was some kind of financial disaster and yet think that Obamacare is very sound
economically.Although the shutdown was highly reported in the press,
its effects on the nation were trivial at best. Obamacare has been a detriment
to the economy for 6 years now. We are in the slowest recovery ever and
Obamacare is a large part of the reason things are so bad.Obamacare
was a huge fraud perpetrated on the American people by a progressive
administration who though nothing of lying to get it ramrodded through Congress.
Gruber was silly enough to admit to it on camera, yet liberals still try to
dismiss his candid comments as irrelevent. Those comments simply confirmed what
most conservatives believed all along but couldn't prove.
Liberals: Since you seem so anxious to blame Republicans for the debt, etc.,
then why can't we step across the isle and stop spending for both parties.
If you are actually sincere about your criticism, then you would recognize that
spending is the problem, not taxes! Come on and live up to your words. Actions
always speak louder than words. Let's do it!
J-TX tries to tell us that the increased Federal debt is all Obama's fault.
He conveniently forgets that according to event the Wall Street Journal,
spending increases under Obama are the lowest since Ronald Reagan tripled the
debt in his two terms.He ignores the FACT that most of the increased
debt now is directly the result of hold-over policies from the administration of
President Cheney and his little friend. Such things as waging two wars on the
credit card and cutting taxes at the same time.C'mon
Conservatives, at least make an effort to learn the truth before posting
nonsense.But then, come to think of it, posters here are simply
mimicking the example set for them by Lee and Romney and others.
Mitt Romney is trying to be the Tea Party's friend again after election
time when he said he wanted nothing to do with him. Mitt will always be a RINO
in my book.
Thid said: "Any and all opposition to Obama's policies will not be
tolerated by liberals! Any and all new ideas, all new more productive policies
shall NOT be permitted, shall not be discussed or considered by liberals!
Liberals have all the right answers and all others need not apply!"Okay.But where the dickens are any "productive policies"
that need to be discussed?There certainly have not been any coming
from the conservative side of the barn.
What is Senator Lee's (and the Deseret News) take on record numbers of
child homelessness? (About 1 in 30 according to the AP article from today.)
There are 16 or more bills sitting on dingy's desk that addresses a lot of
the problems in 0bamacare. That along with 300 other bills that are collecting
dust on dingy's desk over the last almost 6 years. Thank you Sen
Lee.I wonder if all you dem apologists have been listening to Gruber &
all the things he is revealing about the make up of 0care? It was a lie from the
beginning and Gruber has called all the dems stupid. After all the
conservatives/Republicans didn't fall for it. So I guess you can wear the
The great conservative messiah Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million
illegal aliens, but then he was white so no big deal!
When Lee and Romney speak, normal people think they are in the presence of a
I saw an empty limousine pull up, and Mike Lee and Mitt Romney got out.
I'll listen to Mike Lee when he stops short-selling his houses and burning
the banks, and pays back his student loans. He is an embarrassment as a
senator.And Romney doesn't have a political leg to stand on.
Obstructionist do-nothings are what they are.
Mitt Romney and Mike Lee, I've asked this question of ethics/bribery
law.They won't respond, neither will Mia Love or Doug Owens. DeseretNews team, Utah voters, citizens under oath; ASK!So we can oppose
unlawful behaviors.SURVEY FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS & CITIZENS ABOUT
BRIBERY. (Attorneys are officers of the court)I
am a public official under oath (or may become one) and must have an opinion
about the use of money or promises to influence any public official in the
discharge of his or her public or legal duties.I agree that corporate
political contributions are not lawful and violate state and federal bribery
statutes because of "corporate mission laws" that protect share holders
funds (from fraud/embezzlement); funds must be spent on profit, potential
profit or humanitarian expenditures only. So intent cannot be freedom of speech
but seeking influence for profit.Name(print)_ Sign_ date_If you
believe that corporate contributions (under corporate mission laws) are lawful:
Sign down here instead:Name(print)_ Sign_ date_BRIBERY: The
offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose
of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public
or legal duties.
Does Mitt even realize he lost his bid for POTUS? At some point I'd like to
hear real ideas not just bashing the guy who did win the election.
Senator Lee, who jubilantly took credit for the shutdown that fall, has never
said that it was a mistake. But he doesn't think they should do it
again...gosh, I wonder why. Romney, at least, came out publicly
against the shutdown. Romney was all for the ACA when it was
passed. When it became obvious that the Tea Party was using it as a club
against the Democrats, he promptly changed his tune. It was OK for
Massachusetts, he said, but not for the whole country. He never did explain
why.Does anybody seriously think these guys have any ethics?
What effect did the government shutdown have last year? None.
Romney said the president and Democrats should "take a breath" and let
Congress have its say.How can you "take a breath" when you
are already dead?
"...Please, please, please, Republicans in Congress, DO
SOMETHING!...".Wait a minute.Regressive re-Publicans
have done things...For starters...They made President
Obama a one-term POTUS.They shut down the government they were
elected to serve.They failed to elect Mitt...again.In
conclusion...Regarding FOXNEWS/Regressive re-Publican TV/AM radio
propaganda networks...Goebbels would be proud.
According to liberals, the secret of success is forcing other people to pay your
way through life! Force them to pay for your healthcare, your food, your
education, your house, your phone, and yes even your birth control pills!
"Under Obama our national debt has climbed to just shy of 18 TRILLION
dollars. "J-Tx, What you say is true.However, one
needs just a bit more context to understand what is happening.Did
you know that non-defense discretionary spending is lower today than under
Bush?The budget deficit increase under Obama is almost exclusively
tied to lower taxes received during the great recession and increased NON
DISCRETIONARY spending.Please research it. The devil is in the
@Utefan60Let me tell you about the “program” that worked very
well for health care. It was called Personal Responsibility and Accountability.
Prior to about 1970, that was the program for most Americans and essentially
everyone could afford good health care. Then we got into:1.Employers
providing health insurance for all employees2.Every instance of health
care triggering an insurance claim3.Government programs such as Medicare (
yes, I know Medicare came about long before 1970, but it was part of the
problem, as are almost all government welfare programs)Thus, for many
years, basically nobody cared what health care cost because “somebody
else” was paying the bill. The result was skyrocketing costs. In the
late sixties, a day in a SLC hospital cost less than $100. When my wife had 3
surgeries in IHC hospitals around ten years ago, the bill was $10,000 per day
each time. Well did Neal A Maxwell say:“The living of ONE
principle . . is better than a THOUSAND governmental programs” –I
am paraphrasing—please let me know if you would like the exact quote and
J-TX, you could invest in a good economics class and this would help you make
sense of the current national debt. It isn't the debt, it is the ration to
Gross National Product. Under this administration that has been reduced for 5%
to less than 2.5%That in economic terms is amazing. As
for the GOP reducing this dept. That is all hot air, as shown by the previous
GOP President raising of the debt to levels never before seen. This due to
unwarranted wars and tax cuts. The last time debt was supposedly in
control was under Clinton. Research the reasons why. Those are the same
answers that the GOP refuses to try now.
Senator Lee is the best Senator this state has ever had. Even though I believe
Romney would have been infinitely better than Obama, I am not a Romney fan.
Most politicians are only for more of the same--more spending, more war, more
dependency, more taxes, more immoral behavior, and particularly, more pay for
themselves! However, if living within its means means that I am a Tea party
guy, than by all means it is I. I am for anything that will stop Socialism!
Cut, cut, cut and let liberty and freedom return, something I know most, if not
all Democrats hate, and many Republicans can't bare as well. Mike Lee
isn't one of them. He is labeled a Republican, but he is not! Time will
tell whether he becomes like all the rest, but so far, so good! I can't
help it if parents want government to take care of their children or cover for
their immoral decisions, or want to be lazy and have the government take care of
them. That is un-American! Call me what you want, I know what what is good for
my children. Go to work and stop whining!
Lyn52Saint George, UT"Mike Lee you have shown yourself to be
good at shutting down the entire federal gov at the cost of $24 billion."Lyn: Blink your eyes. The federal government just spent $12,000.
Under Obama our national debt has climbed to just shy of 18 TRILLION dollars.
$10.5B per day, all of which from September 16 to the end of the year is going
on our collective credit card.Someone has to do something, or our
debt will bury us. Our credit rating will tank. Our savings bonds will be
Monopoly money.This President and his congress are the least
fiscally responsible I have seen in my 53 years of life.Please,
please, please, Republicans in Congress, DO SOMETHING!
I find it interesting how arrogant republicans have been lately, especially when
they have not done anything in the last six years except to trash our president.
Things haven't been close to being as bad as republicans want the world to
think. No, things haven't been perfect, but it isn't just the
president we have to blame for that Mr. Lee. Seems to me that you did some
really stupid things yourself. look in the mirror.Why do republicans think
that we will have one of them as President this next election? Personally, I
think people are watching more than anything. Lets see how well republicans do
these last two years. You don't think people will be watching? If they
continue as normal, we will probably have a woman president and we all know how
much republicans hate her! I would love to see it happen
BYU Alum, Mike Lee blackmailed the American economy to try and stop a duly
enacted legislation that he, Cruz and their ilk didn't want, They used the
American people for their 34 Billion dollar tantrum. The ACA was/and
is the law of the land. If they want to change it, then they can use he
legislative processes. He acted out of malice and Americans were livid.Lee's tantrum will not be forgotten by educated thinking Americans.
BTW, Lee promised to donate his salary to charity while this
happened. H has never come clean if he did, or where the charity money went?
We have a right to know as he used it as a public speaking point.
Lyn52:"The house had their chance to vote on the senate bill last year and
didn't." The Senate had their chance to vote on many house
bills last year and didn't. It takes two to tango.Obama's
lackey in the Senate wouldn't even bring them up for a vote, and why?
Because Republicans refused to become Obama's "yes men", as Harry
Reid and the majority of the Democrats are. They plead for compromise, but what
they really mean is "give in."
Watching Mike Lee's interviews as of late, he still does not have one
single program to help the middle class. No programs to help immigration, and no
programs to provide health care. His platform is still just bad mouthing the
other side, even in the face of overwhelming success such as The Affordable Care
Act. I watched a TV interview with him today and I was embarrassed
as a Utah native that he sidestepped every single question with rhetoric and pat
answers. The interviewer ever called him out on it. The real train
wreck is the Tea Party and Mike Lee's own lack of leadership.Romney should have learned that by aligning himself with Lee and Cruz he is
losing credibility rapidly.
Any and all opposition to Obama's policies will not be tolerated by
liberals! Any and all new ideas, all new more productive policies shall NOT be
permitted, shall not be discussed or considered by liberals! Liberals have all
the right answers and all others need not apply!
Support the roll back of Obamacare and the Bush tax cuts, then come forward with
better plans at the same time. If you cannot do both then just admit you are
Republican politicians and not statesmen interested in better government.
@ Midwest Mom: If you don't like Fox, change the channel! See how easy that
"Obama says he must act because the House GOP never did after the Senate
passed a sweeping bill..."Our constitutional professor in the
Oval Office doesn't seem to know that laws are passed only with the
concurrence of *both* houses.This is America, Mr. President.
One of the great fiasco's in Utah history is how our state could elect Mike
Lee to the Senate. It is another example of why the caucus system has to be
revised. If Senator Bennett had been re-elected, our state would not have lost
millions of dollars due to the government shut down. So far in his term, that
is Senator Lee's contribution to Utah.
Mike Lee you have shown yourself to be good at shutting down the entire federal
gov at the cost of $24 billion. All because you and Ted Cruz (of green eggs and
ham frame) acted like a couple of kids stomping your feet over the ACA. Again
you are all talk about the President acting on his own on immigration using
executive action, which btw two former republican Presidents did as well. So
tell us again how this rates action from you??? The house had their chance to
vote on the senate bill last year and didn't.
These two men are working to divide America, frankly I am sick to death of Lee
Here is an idea Mr Lee and Mr Romney,How about you spend some time
penning a replacement for the ACA?It is much easier to sell the
concept of "repeal and replace" if you actually have a plan to
"replace".And then, the American people can judge and
compare the new plan. Otherwise, it appears to thinking people that
what you really mean is "repeal" and go back to the unsustainable system
that we had prior to Obamacare.
Obama is only doing this to get Hispanic votes for Democrats in the future.
That's all. He doesn't like total public humiliation.
Thank heavens for Fox?God help us.
Mike Lee says " there is no plan to use the Republican party's
new-found strength in the Senate to bring a showdown that could lead to another
government shutdown."Too late Mr. Lee to back away from the
shutdown fiasco you helped engineer, you own it now and you will always own it.
There are thousands that are never going to let you forget it or dodge it!
Because of the shutdown, outside of the Tea Group, you have lost credibility!To paraphrase a sidekick of yours "Its our goal to see he is a one
Senator Mike Lee only wanted to defund Obamacare. He and Ted Cruz said so a
million times in their speeches that they had no intention to shut down the
government. Congress (the House to be specific) has the power of the purse. We
need some of our elected people to step up and speak out and support the
positions of Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and the other conservatives who have been
elected to save this country from economic disaster! Someone needs to say
something. The media is silent on the whole matter.What we lived
through with the Nixon trauma only a few years ago is like a "piece of
cake" compared to the corruption in government at every turn today. And,
apathy runs rampant; many people don't even know what is going on. Thank
heavens for FOX network and talk radio,Please pay attention to what
is coming in the next two weeks in executive orders to further divide this
country. I, for one, want someone to speak up for me, a loyal American citizen,
and say, "Enough is enough!" This is why I voted for and love Senator
I don't know why a "government shutdown" is off the table. We all
know that there were less than ten people who lost their jobs and/or lost
paychecks with the last government shutdown. We could actually do without much
of this government.
"take to the airwaves"Same strategy, eh? All talk, no action.
@ Crudmudgeon: Shutting down the government was the only time when people's
property and liberties were safe!
I saw Mr Lee on face the nation this morning, he was asked several questions and
failed to answer any of them.
@ CurmudgeonIf the shutdown was a train wreck (which in the bigger
scheme of things was a gnat's eyelash), then amnesty for tens of millions
of illegals is Chernobyl.
Mike Lee says: "When you see a train wreck about to happen, you can't
— at least I can't — just stand there and watch it without at
least trying to do something to stop it." Mr. Lee, you are
apparently unable to see a real train wreck, which you engineered last year by
causing the government shut-down. If you want to see a train wreck
face-to-face, look in the mirror.