@Draft dumbie: Just watch a few episodes of "Cops" they do it all the
time, and they know they're on camera, can't imagine how it is when
they know they aren't being recorded.
As a former prosecutor, I was personally present at numerous interviews when
police detectives routinely, intentionally lied to suspects in order to induce
confessions. Also, in our prosecutor's office, we were aware that certain
police officers had a reputation for routinely lying on police reports,
overstating the purported facts of a purported crime in order to manipulate and
induce the prosecutors to "overcharge" the crimes concerning the
incident, so that when a plea agreement was reached, it would be for the actual
crime committed, and not for a lesser crime.Although I recognize
that there are many exceptional police officers who always act with integrity,
and although I am not so jaded as to believe that all policemen lie all the
time, my personal experiences with policemen, including my experiences as a
prosecutor, make me hard pressed to believe that all police officers always act
properly and always tell the truth in all situations. Anyone who believes that
has clearly never had any significant experience with law enforcement, and could
reasonably be characterized as an uninformed "pollyanna."
Another sad saga of our totally failed "war on drugs," where we get to
spend our tax money to protect people from THEMSELVES. Why don't we put
our resources into something productive, like stopping crimes against unwilling
victims, like getting the drunks off the roads or addressing real assault cases?
We've gone way overboard trying to Super Nanny the population and make
sure everyone's living up to the standards of those who disapprove of
certain types of behavior. And as for the monitoring and regulation of kids,
that should be the job of PARENTS, not governmental agencies.
Some Police enjoy "teaching a kid a lesson" there's alway a few on
the force.play by the rules said: "The police showed up at my
house at 2AM one morning looking to arrest someone who had lived at the home
previously. They banged on the door and I answered it." Oh Goody
for you. Had you been 20 seconds late though, your door would be on the ground
with a foot in the back of your neck gun pressed to your head, while a officer
tells you to shut your blankety blank mouth, he'll be the one asking the
questions. That's what happened to my friend after his "bad " child
had moved out 2 years earlier and was actually in prison, great record keeping
by Utah county there too.They should be held to a higher standard
because they are given more latitude under the law.
Having lived in Utah for 22 years I have always loved the double standards of
the wonderful people of that great state. Conservative scream that
they hate big government and the police state until the police kill a black kid.
Then they all come out to support the very police state that they hate. I
am must speechless........I mean REALLY!
Drunken drug parties used to be so safe and peaceful.Can't
trust anything these days.
If the kids did nothing wrong why were they trying to run out the basement door
and why did they hide behind water heaters. That doesn't sound like kids
that were doing nothing wrong. Next if a policeman tell you to move you better
do it and if not you get taken to the floor with handcuffs and dragged to a
room. You wouldn't have been in that situation at all if you weren't
doing something wrong. As for calling the School Administrator, maybe the girl
was afraid to let her parents know she had been there. At least she was smart
enough to get out of the situation that she knew was not a good one. At least
she could call an adult that she trusted and got out.
TMR- I don't see misconduct here. What I see is parents who have quit
disciplining their children because they want them to like them. Your job as a
parent is not to make your kids like you, but teach them to be responsible
adults. It is no wonder most prisoners blame others instead of themselves
for the position they are in. Today, it is always someone else's fault when
you get in trouble. There is no personal responsibility. This is just liberalism
creeping in everywhere. Our own President and Attorney General are telling
people that it is not their fault. With this being the case, why should we
expect different from the populace, including these teens and parents.These parents seem to think there kids drinking and being around or smoking
pot is doing nothing wrong. Certainly not how I was raised, and I did not grow
up in a "stuffy Mormon household" that liberals like to attack. My
sister was at a party like that once, and my parents let her spend a night in
Credit to the D-News for exposing a pattern of misconduct by the police that
helps explain the tragic loss of Darrien Hunt's life.
From what it sounds to me a bunch of high school kids got caught smoking dope
and drinking and are playing "the mean cops scared me" card to try to
get out of trouble from their parents. The bad part is the parents are soaking
it right up and blaming the cops instead of their own kids who were breaking the
Sounds like police officers doing their job. Thank You Saratoga Springs PD. If
this happened 30 years ago - the parents would be disciplining their kids,
rather than making excuses for them. They'd be thanking the cops for
saving their kids from driving under the influence. Did the parents even know
where their kids were and what they were doing? "Good kids" are home in
bed or studying at 2:00am.Sounds like one child was smart enough to
call and get some help out of there. Probably too embarrassed to call home, she
trusted the adult and asked for help. I applaud the school official who cares
more about the safety of the kid than the protocol.
Slowly the facts are coming out. Soon the conservatives will turn and run away.
This was news back in February. Now it's just jury coaching.Same on
the Deseret News for participating in this defense strategy. Lawyers for the
Hunt family must have a great deal of influence.
One parent states that they teach their children to respect authority.
Authority should also include the laws. These young people were smoking
marijuana and some were drinking. They were underage at a home where there was
no adult supervision. They (and their parents) need to go back to authority
Lots of teenagers are not the well behave angels their parents think they
are.Sorry, parents, your judgment is badly skewed by the involvement
of your sweet innocent children who were doing nothing wrong, or so you think.
Did you know or care about what your kids were doing before the cops arrived to
use "excessive force?"One of their peers initially reported
"...about 20 kids at a house party where drugs and alcohol were being
used" and responding cops smelled lots of marijuana and got a warrant to
make a raid. Sounds serious to me.This party was at the home of
another cop, who was out of town and he had not approved of any party. Good
parents usually ask about party locations and parental involvement, before
allowing their kids to attend. Not here.Two cops entering a house
full of likely drunk or stoned teens at 2:00 AM cannot risk their personal
safety by losing control of the situation.I believe the cops over
the parents who accepted the self serving denials of the drug abusing teens, or
the grief stricken parents of the kid who lunged at cops with a sword.
Why would a youth call a school administrator, rather than a parent or other
responsible relative? How would she get the administrator's personal
number? It is against school policies for staff to pick up students and give
them rides, especially late at night. I seem to remember the same kind of
stories when the DN was running articles about teachers who were arrested for
having inappropriate contact with students.
The police showed up at my house at 2AM one morning looking to arrest someone
who had lived at the home previously. They banged on the door and I answered