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  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Sept. 27, 2014 8:54 p.m.

    This subject is a horse that gets beat near death every time BYU announces their schedule. It is what it is

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    Sept. 27, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    @ Uteology

    The post game rant is a predictable re-run and consists of... and has been the same for many years.

    1) The best team doesn't always win
    2) Flukes happen
    3) The refs
    4) We beat ourselves
    5) We are still the better team

    Did I leave anything out?

    The payout at Michigan and having them in RES next year - Priceless!

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 27, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    PAC Man,

    How do you know my post was emotional? That's usually the response from Y fans who have no answer, play the emotion card.

    Let me explain how Florida State finished #1. They beat #2 Auburn. Then they beat #7 Clemson 51-14. They also beat #22 Duke 45-7. Finally, they won their conference championship. If BYU can do something like that in 2014 then you guys deserve the NC. But we both know BYU's SOS will end up in the 70's or 80's with no wins over ranked teams. The reason SOS is so important in the modern age is to prevent teams with the #103 SOS from winning national championships. That's not a good scenario for college football because then all teams would try to schedule like BYU in an effort to go undefeated with a weak SOS.

    Regarding FSU SOS, the closest team to Auburn 14-0 (SOS 62) was Michigan State 13-1 (SOS 51). An eleven point difference in SOS is not enough to unseat an undefeated team who has beaten 3 ranked teams. However, a 35 point difference in SOS is enough to rank a 5 win team higher than an 8 win team like 2013.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    There simple were no game contracted for in 2014 and 2015 [with BYU] and Utah scheduled a home and home with Michigan instead. Bigger upside for Utah.


    Bigger upside? I would argue that it's massive upside replacing a local cupcake (aka BYU) with national brand cupcake (aka Michigan).

    * Michigan payed Utah $1 million for the privilege of being owned in their own home.

    * What did we get from BYU? A post game rant and garbage thrown at our refs.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 27, 2014 1:42 a.m.

    Sorry, but I am underwhelmed... Holmoe has got t start doing better than this if BYU wants their team to be considered among America's best. We need P5 teams and if the only way to get P5 teams is to belong to one of their conferences then that should be a priority... The problem is that I don't thing that Holmoe will ever have the clout to pull it off...

    I love BYU and I love their FB and BB programs... But Holmoe's scheduling is making us look like a team and a school with no respect...

    So Tommy, do you want to compete for the best recruits? Do you want BYU to be considered among the best in the nation... Then get us better schedules... Give us opportunities to shine... In football, U Mass will never do that... Nor will U Conn... nor will Cincy or a bundle of other Mid-Majors... If you can't do it then call it a career and pass the schedule book to a new AD who can.

    Sorry to all those fans who are pro BYU right or wrong, but this is frustrating. We are better than this.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 27, 2014 1:28 a.m.


    Despite your emotional outburst about SOS, it doesn't always work as neatly as you suggest.

    2013 - AP/Coaches/Sagarin
    #1/#1/#1 Florida St(14-0) SOS #62
    #2/#2/#4 Auburn(12-2) SOS #13
    #3/#3/#6 Michigan St(13-1) SOS #51
    #4/#4/#10 S Carolina(11-2) SOS #20
    #5/#5/#24 Missouri(12-2) SOS #24
    #6/#6/#12 Oklahoma(11-2) SOS #32
    #7/#8/#3 Alabama(11-2) SOS #39
    #8/#7/#14 Clemson(11-2) SOS #54
    #9/#9/#2 Oregon(11-2) SOS #29
    #10/#12/#25 UCF(12-1) SOS #79
    #13/#13/#9 Baylor(11-2) SOS #48

    How did Florida State win the NC, with the 2nd weakest SOS in the AP Top 10?
    Why did Oregon, with the same record and stronger SOS, finish 3 or 4 places behind Oklahoma and Alabama?
    Why did Baylor, with the same record and stronger SOS, finish 5 places behind Clemson?

    Insignificant differences, you may say. Very significant differences, I would say, since a single place could be the difference between being selected for the playoffs, or not.

    Obviously, there are other factors besides record and SOS at play here.

    Who determines SOS?

  • IrieUte west valley, UT
    Sept. 27, 2014 12:25 a.m.


    Yes If Utah purposely wants to schedule 2-3 cupcakes a year they can. When will ByU play 10 P5 teams consecutively like Utah this year, 5 top 25 teams, 7-8 top 30? you have maybe 2 "tough" game stretches max. ByUs schedule involves several teams who get dominated by teams who get dominated by teams who bottom dwellers of P5 teams dominate...etc.

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 3:54 p.m.


    Lets go on the assumption that the following teams are pigs:
    31 UW
    32 Oregon State
    35 AZ
    36 Utah
    63 WSU
    95 Colorado

    Now examine BYU's schedule
    39 Boise
    48 Central Florida
    57 Cal
    62 Virginia
    66 Houston
    72 Nevada
    76 Utah State
    94 Middle Tennessee State
    135 UConn
    141 UNLV
    243 Savannah State

    By your definition, 11 teams on BYU's schedule are pigs.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    Utah, Arizona, Wazzoo, UW, Colorado, Oregon State, are all pigs with lipstick LOL, none of those teams are powerhouses, yet you pound your chest each year because you play them, whoopee

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 9:56 a.m.


    It does not change the narrative. The narrative is that SOS matters... and a team with fewer wins but stronger SOS can be ranked higher than a team with more wins and a lower SOS (like BYU). Utah was not ranked higher than BYU in 2011 or 2012 because they needed to either win more games or have a tougher SOS. But in 2013 they were ranked higher than BYU because of their extremely difficult SOS.

    The narrative is still intact; there are tons of examples every year of teams with worse records yet stronger SOS being ranked higher than BYU and their traditionally weak schedule (see below):

    #14 Texas AM 7-6 (SOS 4)
    #16 Missouri 8-5 (SOS 13)
    #25 Nebraska 9-4 (SOS 26)
    #26 Notre Dame 8-5 (SOS 25)
    #28 Penn State 9-4 (SOS 31)
    #29 Florida 7-6 (SOS 22)
    #31 Miss State 7-6 (SOS 28)
    #33 Auburn 8-5 (SOS 14)
    #34 BYU 10-3 (SOS 90)

    #24 Mississippi 7-6 (SOS 18)
    #26 BYU 8-5 (SOS 63)

    #35 Utah 5-7 (SOS 3)
    #36 BYU 8-5 (SOS 38)

    Now more than ever SOS will become critical for football success.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 26, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    RE: Rockwell

    "After playing the three opponents the Utes chose to schedule this year, Utah's SOS is ranked #120, with not a single opponent ranked in the Top 50... until the Utes man up and actually schedule a decent OOC opponent, you're all talk, but no walk, when it comes to scheduling."

    That is not a fair analysis given that when Utah scheduled their three OOC oppontents two of them were very good. It's not their fault that FSU and Michigan have tanked recently.

    Re: xam

    "Have you done that same analysis of BYU's opponents?"

    I tried but several of the cupcakes were ranked so low in the preseason I was unable to find their Sagarin rankings. It is telling that Texas (preseason rank 23) is still ranked in the top 30, even after getting destroyed by BYU. And Virginia is up 27 places despite losing to BYU. In addition to Virginia and Cal both being ranked higher now than in the preseason, it is likely that 2-3 of the bottom dwellers on BYU's schedule have moved up in the rankings as well (thought the difference between 223 and 150 really doesn't matter, a cupcake is still a cupcake).

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 26, 2014 6:31 a.m.


    "It explains why Sagarin can rank a 5 win Utah team higher than an 8 win BYU team"

    So what happened in 2012 that completely blew your narrative out the window?

    Sagarin has ranked BYU higher in 2 out of the last 3 seasons:

    2011 - #34 BYU(10-3), #39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 - #26 BYU(8-5), #61 Utah(5-7)
    2013 - #35 BYU(8-5), #34 Utah(5-7)

    As you can see, Utah "barely" finished ahead of BYU in 2013, and Utah wasn't even close in 2012.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 26, 2014 6:23 a.m.


    Let's clear up a little misinformation.

    The Utes only schedule three games per year. The PAC 12 schedules the rest of the games for Utah, so the Utes have absolutely nothing to do with that scheduling.

    After playing the three opponents the Utes chose to schedule this year, Utah's SOS is ranked #120, with not a single opponent ranked in the Top 50 - #190 Idaho State, #79 Fresno State, and #52 Michigan.

    Until the Utes man up and actually schedule a decent OOC opponent, you're all talk, but no walk, when it comes to scheduling.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 25, 2014 5:02 p.m.


    Have you done that same analysis of BYU's opponents? How far has Texas, UNLV, Savannah State, UCF, USU, etc fallen? About the only BYU opponent that has significantly risen is PAC 12 Cal. I would really like to see that comparison.

    Nice try to minimize the vast difference in scheduling between the two schools.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 25, 2014 4:40 p.m.


    "28 teams don't recognize BYU as a potential opponent, and 2 teams, Notre Dame and Utah have backed out of games"

    Let's set the record straight and clarify some misinformation.

    First of all, none of the 28 teams you are referring to "don't recognize BYU as a potential opponent". They all can choose to schedule BYU, it's just that BYU will not count as a P5 opponent. That is a big difference. The PAC 12 automatically plays 9 P5 schools a year, but many PAC 12 schools have scheduled games with BYU, Utah included. The SEC and ACC are mandating that each school also have a 9 P5 schedule each year and they are all totally free to schedule BYU for the other three OOC games, just like the PAC 12.

    Notre Dame's trip to LES always seemed iffy. However, Utah never backed out of any game with BYU. There simple were no game contracted for in 2014 and 2015 and Utah scheduled a home and home with Michigan instead. Bigger upside for Utah.

    One of the costs of independence is scheduling, no need to get upset when you don't get your way.

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 4:24 p.m.

    @JayDee, "U fans are stuck on repeating the overused false premise that a tough conference schedule means something"

    A tough conference schedule doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it does explain a lot:

    It explains why BYU's cupcake schedule allows them to qualify for a bowl every year while Utah can only hit 5 wins on the #3 SOS

    It explains why BYU loses to Utah routinely yet finishes the season with a better record

    It explains why Sagarin can rank a 5 win Utah team higher than an 8 win BYU team

    It explains why W-L records don't tell the whole story. Experts also examine SOS and head to head results.

    Does Utah need to improve their competitiveness in the PAC12? Sure. However, you calling out the Utes for their lack of competitiveness is like Beaver High school calling out Bingham for not beating Bishop Gorman HS. Your "competitiveness in the PAC12" message carries no clout because BYU is neither competitive with Utah or the PAC12. You have no authority on this topic. Before you share your pearls of wisdom you might want to examine that glass house you are sitting in.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    @ xam

    You're still tilting at imaginary windmills. Reread all my posts on this thread carefully. I never mention comparative SOS or point out one team vs. the other on the field. I do say that U fans are stuck on repeating the overused false premise that a tough conference schedule means something even though the U can't win more than half of their games against said schedule. (Every one of your replies seems to confirm this...BTW.) Good luck to the U on Saturday.

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    JayDee, my comments speak directly to your argument.

    You said...
    "Of the three out-of-conference games the Utes scheduled this year, three of them turned out to be of the cupcake variety when all was said and done."

    I simply pointed out that BYU schedules more cupcakes by far. Since you classify #52 Michigan as a cupcake then you must agree BYU has 9 cupcakes on their schedule (57, 62, 66, 72, 76, 94, 135, 141, 243).

    You said...
    "all the talk of the tough PAC12 means little until you start to compete there."

    I demonstrated that BYU can't compete in the PAC12 either, heck you can't even beat doormat Utah, so all lectures by the pot (you) to the kettle (Utah fans) carry no credibility when you live in that glass house.

    Bottom line: Could Utah win more games? Sure, if they played BYU's schedule. Could BYU compete better than Utah in the PAC12? No, they haven't proven it so far; since joining the PAC12 Utah has won 33% of their games and during that same period BYU has won 28% of it's game against PAC teams.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 25, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    RE: xam

    Pre-season Sagarin rankings for Utah opponents vs. current rankings (after four weeks)

    Idaho state ??, now 190(?)
    Fresno State 55, now 79 (-24)
    Michigan 34, now 52 (-18)
    Washington State 61, now 63 (-2)
    UCLA 21, now 11 (+10)
    Oregon State 26, now 31 (-5)
    USC 12, now 16 (-4)
    Arizona State 13, now 24 (-9)
    Oregon 2, now 4 (-2)
    Stanford 4, now 14 (-10)
    Arizona 29, now 35 (-6)
    Colorado 95, now 95 (net 0)

    Only ONE of Utah's opponents is as good as advertised. Yes, their schedule is still stronger than BYU's but the disparity between the two schedules is shrinking every weak as the PAC12 is being exposed as significantly over-rated.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2014 11:19 a.m.


    Look at the games Utah chose to schedule - ALL cupcakes.

    In fact, don't be too surprised to see the best of the bunch, Michigan, sink much lower than #52.

    btw, traveling to away games from coast to coast and to all four corners of the country - Connecticut, Texas, Florida, Idaho, Tennessee, and California - is not nearly as easy as Utah fans pretend it to be.

    In 2013, Utah only ventured outside the state of Utah four times, with Utah's longest plane ride less than 2 hours.

    At Michigan in 2014 was Utah's longest road trip since Pittsburgh in 2011.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    @ xam

    Wow! That's a lot of research to prove a point or rebut an argument that I didn't make. There are no claims in anything I've posted about comparing BYU and U of U teams on the field. All I've done is state that the U fans argument about PAC 12 tough teams is now tiresome. Win in conference and everyone will be impressed. Repeat the past three year's performance and you can still claim the ever important strength of schedule trophy. Good luck against the Cougars.

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 10:11 a.m.


    Look at the entire season:

    UTAH vs. BYU SOS
    #4 Oregon > #29 Texas
    #11 UCLA > #39 Boise
    #14 Stanford > #48 Central Florida
    #16 USC > #57 Cal
    #24 ASU > #62 Virginia
    #31 Oregon State > #66 Houston
    #32 Arizona > #72 Nevada
    #52 Michigan > #76 Utah State
    #63 WSU > #94 Middle Tennessee State
    #79 Fresno State > #135 UConn
    #95 Colorado > #141 UNLV
    #190 Idaho State > #243 Savannah State

    Who plays more cupcakes? I get that the ultimate goal is to win games, but it's a lot easier to win when you play more cupcakes. If BYU were so much better than Utah why can't they beat the Utes? In 2011 you had Van Noy, Ansah, Hoffman & Heisman Heaps yet lost 54-10 at home. In 2013 you had Heisman Hill, Van Noy and Hoffman and lost again at home in what Van Noy called BYU's super bowl. If it's so easy, then why did BYU lose to a PAC12 doormat last year (Utah) then get totally crushed by a middle of the conference PAC12 team (Washington)? SOS matters, and when BYU plays the good teams they get rolled.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 9:05 a.m.


    Of the three out-of-conference games the Utes scheduled this year, three of them turned out to be of the cupcake variety when all was said and done. Utah has three games each year they need to arrange, BYU, 12. Of course it is difficult to get all the games you would like as an independent. You seem to miss the point that all the talk of the tough PAC12 means little until you start to compete there. It's akin to saying, "We don't win, but we sure do have difficult teams to play." We are still waiting to see if U can win half of the conference games. Maybe that will happen this year. Best wishes.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 25, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    Playing U Mass will give BYU great exposure in the media heavy northeast. I like it.


    As for the always predictable ankle-biting from the hill,

    it's interesting that this "weak" U Mass team that BYU just scheduled, only lost to Colorado 41-38.

    This shows just how weak Utah's annual season-ending "rivalry" game really is.

    Utah opens its seasons with a bad FCS team and closes its seasons with one of the worst FBS teams, yet Utah fans chide BYU for scheduling weak opponents.

    LOL at the hypocrisy.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 25, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    You can't cite a single comment where a BYU fan has even hinted at "hating" Idaho St. BYU fans have simply reiterated to our hypocritical friends on the hill that the Bengals aren't a very good team.

    The Utes have scheduled a weak FCS team as a tune up game every year since joining the PAC 12 and will continue to do so every year until they're forced to play an all P5 schedule...

    which will never happen.

    btw, it's interesting that two of Utah's three regular season wins in 1944, were against Idaho St.

    Utah's history of playing weak Idaho St. teams goes back a long way.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    The cougs sure hate the bengals of Idaho State, I wonder why? Is it because they were the opponent for Senior Night last year? Or the game in Oct 2011? Or both?

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 12:12 a.m.

    @JayDee "Luv the U fan that spouts inanities about scheduling as if they never had an Idaho State or Weber State show up at RES"

    Utah fans aren't saying they never have a cupcake on the schedule. It's more about the sheer volume of cupcakes that find their way on to BYU's schedule every year.

  • xam Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 12:08 a.m.

    @eastcoastcoug "I'd rather play a team in Boston than one in Cedar City. Any old day..."

    I've got news, BYU gets to play #243 Savannah State. Try putting lipstick on that.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    @Uncle Rico

    Remind me what Idaho State's record has been the past 2 years.

    Pad that schedule.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    Future opponents for UMass include Boston College, Notre Dame, Florida Gators, and Tenn. Vols. Luv the U fan that spouts inanities about scheduling as if they never had an Idaho State or Weber State show up at RES. It is seriously time to give up all your tough conference schedule talk and win 5 PAC 12 games. then more people may sit up and listen. Good luck against WSU this week.

  • sperry26 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    Not real excited about this one. I guess it's better than Idaho State, but UMASS seems like a pretty weak football program. I was not aware that they were becoming independent, and it will be cool to play in the Patriot's stadium in Massachusetts, I was just hoping for a little tougher competition.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 9:16 p.m.

    Lets roll:
    Navy joins the AAC next year so that may influence some future games with them. Not really sure why Army and BYU don't schedule each other, but I wouldn't be a big fan of that either. I would love playing AFA again every year. It would be nice to see the service academies on the schedule, but after next year only one of them will still be independent.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    Well, the fall color would be cool there. Good luck UMass as an Independent 2016.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 8:42 p.m.

    Sounds good to me, I'll look forward to a trip to Boston.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 6:21 p.m.

    Sounds about right.

    UMass is 2-26 since the start of 2012 season.
    Just what BYU is looking for.

    Pad that schedule.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 5:43 p.m.

    And the winner of the crayfish award goes to........ BYU.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 4:22 p.m.

    Not exactly a powerhouse in a weak conference. Ever read about of U Mass in the polls or featured on Sports center ? Still the BYU faithful criticize the Utes schedule ? Why the flack ?
    BTW, good luck with Savanna State and Middle Tennessee this year.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 24, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    I don't think this is so bad. If BYU makes the last of the four games, that's two visits to Boston. I love Boston! BYU's schedules for those years are significantly better than this year and it gives them a chance to market the church to a broader market, which is the main reason for BYU to be an independent.

    Just my two cents.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    As i have stated before, i would love to be in a p5 conference but i do love having these random suprises every once in a while about scheduling. It is like christmas even if its not a big name team. Always fun to get news about the team and hearing about all the teams we are scheduling is amazing!! Keep it coming!! Lets get some big dogs who arent afraid of playing us!

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 3:39 p.m.

    When I first saw that BYU agreed to 4 games with UMass, I thought: "we seriously couldn't do any better than UMass?"

    But then I thought about it for a second, and a few things came to mind:

    1) Every team has one or two games every season against a bad team (yes, this includes you, utah). As long as we don't add to many more bad teams for these years, I'm fine with UMass essentially being our FCS opponent.

    2) Our 2016-2019 schedules are pretty strong. In 2016 we open the year with four straight P5 teams and also have some of the best non P5's. 2017 is a little weak, to be honest. In 2018 we have 4 P5 teams and in 2019 we had 6 games scheduled before we added UMass. 5 were against P5 teams, the other team was Boise State.

    3) I'm not saying Umass is going to be a college football power in a few years, but they just barely joined the FBS ranks. There is no doubt their team will improve as they get better resources and better recruiting. For proof of that, see Texas San-Antonio.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    What is the deal with the service academies? It makes sense to schedule other independents (especially in November) but haven't seen anything about why BYU hasn't scheduled Army or Navy?

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    re: don17

    You are completely mistaken about 28 teams not able to play byu. ACC and SEC said that byu is not a P5 school for the scheduling requirements that will soon take effect. There will be 2 games per year per team that would allow for byu to be scheduled. Since Bronco has publicly stated that byu has earned home and home only there is little incentive to schedule a team on the oher side of the country. Blah blah blah so and so school blah blah blah spare your keystrokes we all know what is going to be replied. Obviously, independence is not the wonderful track that it appeared to be; your own coaches words show that. Desperation to fill in 4 games to have home/home with UMass?

    Utah did not back out of any games, all contracts will be honored...Notre Dame...well that is a different issue.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    @ don17

    Utah never backed out. It simply chose not to schedule BYU when the last contract ran out.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Sept. 24, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    UTE 81.

    I know they don't have a contractual obligation to play BYU. Obviously! But, I just propose the opportunities as the openings are there! Typical picky Utah fan! Argue about nothing! And I say that as a University of Oklahoma fan.

    28 teams don't recognize BYU as a potential opponent, and 2 teams, Notre Dame and Utah have backed out of games. The AD at BYU can only work with what he has available.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 2:26 p.m.


    So now there should be purity tests to post on DesNews? CTR in the back pocket? I know, genetic testing to prove pioneer heritage (we could have the same cut off as the DUP, 1868?).

    I am glad we play little brother SUU, from Cedar City, that way we keep the money in the family. If we could only keep byu off the schedule after the next 3.

  • Lamanite11 Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    Wouldn't it be interesting if BYU just happened to get a Heisman Trophy winner, a New Years bowl game, or with an outside chance, be included in the College Football playoff system. All the while playing and scheduling these so called 'cupcakes'? And wouldn't it be ironic if one of those bowl games was the Rose Bowl? I'm starting to smell roses around Utah county.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Before everyone thinks BYU is padding a weak schedule, in 2016: BYU already has Arizona, Utah, UCLA, West Virginia, Boise State and Cincinnati. 2017: not real strong Utah, Cal, Boise State, and East Carolina and 2018: Arizona, Wisconsin, Boise State, Utah. 2019: Wisconsin, Virginia, USC, Navada, Boise State and Washington State. I think is kind of cool to play a new team.

    The real question is how did UMass schedule Army, Bronco said he would love the chance to play them.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 24, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    I'd rather play a team in Boston than one in Cedar City. Any old day...

  • LP Grad, BYU Alum Provo, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    In 2016 BYU already has games lined up with Arizona, Utah, UCLA, and West Virginia. That's four power 5 schools, not to mention tough group of 5 schools Boise State, Utah State, and Cincinnati. UMASS serves as an easy win along with our game against Southern Mississippi.

    That's 2 creme puffs, UMASS and Southern Miss. Before Ute fans poke fun they should realize they also have 2 creme puffs scheduled in 2016: Southern Utah and San Jose State.

    2018's schedule is comparable, with Arizona, Wisconsin, Washington, Utah, Boise State, Utah State, and Northern illinois. That's four power 5 and a couple of tough group of five.

    So BYU schedules a couple of easy wins. What's the big deal? Utes should know all about scheduling easy wins; after all, they were afraid to play BYU this year so they lined up Fresno State instead.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 24, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Hey, Ute fans, I thought you guys had "moved on". Appreciate the interest in all things BYU but I thought you guys had outgrown us...

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    re: don17
    Nebraska and Michigan owe you nothing. BYU agreed to those 'one and none' arrangements.

    I though the goal was 'the best teams on the biggest stages' how does this meet either of those? UMass has been in FBS for two years (this is year 3) and plays in the MAC until 2016 when it will be independent. They are a really poor team winning 2 games as a FBS school therefore, even as a 'Group of 5' opponent they don't measure up. To those college football fans that cheer for BYU, this isn't good news and you have my condolences.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 12:43 p.m.


    The rush to put lipstick on this announcement is entertaining.

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    One thing I will say about BYU fans, you guys can put the most positive spin on just about anything.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Wow a four game series with UMass!! Now that's something to get excited about!! Ha ha ha

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    Still scheduling those quality opponents, I see.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    So much for increasing Strength Of Schedule. UMASS......really?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    “With UMass joining BYU as an independent football program in 2016, this series makes a lot of sense for both schools,” BYU director of athletics Tom Holmoe said...

    Agreed, makes a lot of sense.

    Joking aside, this really isn't such a bad thing for the Cougs, it's a cool part of the country and there are a lot of LDS folks living in that neck of the woods that will provide BYU with a home away from home field advantage. And if you're going to play a weak team, it might as well be a road game (technically neutral field) where you'll have more fans than the opponent and a game you should win going away...All in front of the east coast media. Definitely beats playing Idaho or Idaho State.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    I hope BYU stays independent, and don't care if we reach national championship play offs as part of some conference.

    The exposure is great.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    U.Mass has won two games in their last 26. They have played some good teams and have some good teams coming up on their schedule. But, unless there is a turn around this will not help BYU in power rankings. just in filling a schedule.

    Might I suggest: Sept 2, 2017 Nebraska at LES. They need a game then and so does the Y. They owe a game at LES.

    Also Consider: Sept. 8, 2018. Michigan at LES. They too need a game then as well as the Y. They also owe us a visit!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Also, since the first two games are at LES, does that mean that this is basically a 2-for-1. I think that's what the Utah fans have been telling us. Probably, we'll never return to Mass, right? So really it's a 2-0 (TIC).

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    UMASS is certainly not a powerhouse but the location, the history of the program, and being able to compete against fellow independents make this match-up much more desirable than teams like Wyoming, Idaho State, etc. Glad to have them on the schedule. Go Cougs!

  • KG South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    Not sure this is a win for BYU or not.

  • Cabinfever Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    Independence is awesome! I've been to Notre Dame Stadium, Camp Randall, Darrell K Royal and had awesome experiences and a warm welcome at every one. I'm looking forward to The Big House, Memorial Stadium in Lincoln and the Rose Bowl next year. Now I can add Gillett at Foxborough! Love following the Cougars!!