This subject is a horse that gets beat near death every time BYU announces their
schedule. It is what it is
@ UteologyThe post game rant is a predictable re-run and consists
of... and has been the same for many years.1) The best team
doesn't always win2) Flukes happen3) The refs4) We beat
ourselves5) We are still the better teamDid I leave anything
out?The payout at Michigan and having them in RES next year -
PAC Man,How do you know my post was emotional? That's usually
the response from Y fans who have no answer, play the emotion card.Let me explain how Florida State finished #1. They beat #2 Auburn. Then they
beat #7 Clemson 51-14. They also beat #22 Duke 45-7. Finally, they won their
conference championship. If BYU can do something like that in 2014 then you
guys deserve the NC. But we both know BYU's SOS will end up in the
70's or 80's with no wins over ranked teams. The reason SOS is so
important in the modern age is to prevent teams with the #103 SOS from winning
national championships. That's not a good scenario for college football
because then all teams would try to schedule like BYU in an effort to go
undefeated with a weak SOS. Regarding FSU SOS, the closest team to
Auburn 14-0 (SOS 62) was Michigan State 13-1 (SOS 51). An eleven point
difference in SOS is not enough to unseat an undefeated team who has beaten 3
ranked teams. However, a 35 point difference in SOS is enough to rank a 5 win
team higher than an 8 win team like 2013.
@VegasUteThere simple were no game contracted for in 2014 and 2015 [with
BYU] and Utah scheduled a home and home with Michigan instead. Bigger upside for
Utah.------------Bigger upside? I would argue that
it's massive upside replacing a local cupcake (aka BYU) with national brand
cupcake (aka Michigan).* Michigan payed Utah $1 million for the
privilege of being owned in their own home.* What did we get from
BYU? A post game rant and garbage thrown at our refs.
Sorry, but I am underwhelmed... Holmoe has got t start doing better than this if
BYU wants their team to be considered among America's best. We need P5
teams and if the only way to get P5 teams is to belong to one of their
conferences then that should be a priority... The problem is that I don't
thing that Holmoe will ever have the clout to pull it off... I love
BYU and I love their FB and BB programs... But Holmoe's scheduling is
making us look like a team and a school with no respect...So Tommy,
do you want to compete for the best recruits? Do you want BYU to be considered
among the best in the nation... Then get us better schedules... Give us
opportunities to shine... In football, U Mass will never do that... Nor will U
Conn... nor will Cincy or a bundle of other Mid-Majors... If you can't do
it then call it a career and pass the schedule book to a new AD who can.Sorry to all those fans who are pro BYU right or wrong, but this is
frustrating. We are better than this.
xamDespite your emotional outburst about SOS, it doesn't always
work as neatly as you suggest.2013 - AP/Coaches/Sagarin#1/#1/#1 Florida St(14-0) SOS #62#2/#2/#4 Auburn(12-2) SOS #13#3/#3/#6 Michigan St(13-1) SOS #51#4/#4/#10 S Carolina(11-2) SOS #20#5/#5/#24 Missouri(12-2) SOS #24#6/#6/#12 Oklahoma(11-2) SOS #32#7/#8/#3 Alabama(11-2) SOS #39#8/#7/#14 Clemson(11-2) SOS #54#9/#9/#2 Oregon(11-2) SOS #29#10/#12/#25 UCF(12-1) SOS #79#13/#13/#9 Baylor(11-2) SOS #48How did Florida State win the NC,
with the 2nd weakest SOS in the AP Top 10?Why did Oregon, with the same
record and stronger SOS, finish 3 or 4 places behind Oklahoma and Alabama?Why did Baylor, with the same record and stronger SOS, finish 5 places behind
Clemson?Insignificant differences, you may say. Very significant
differences, I would say, since a single place could be the difference between
being selected for the playoffs, or not.Obviously, there are other
factors besides record and SOS at play here.Who determines SOS?
JayDee,Yes If Utah purposely wants to schedule 2-3 cupcakes a year
they can. When will ByU play 10 P5 teams consecutively like Utah this year, 5
top 25 teams, 7-8 top 30? you have maybe 2 "tough" game stretches max.
ByUs schedule involves several teams who get dominated by teams who get
dominated by teams who bottom dwellers of P5 teams dominate...etc.
jarkarus,Lets go on the assumption that the following teams are
pigs:31 UW32 Oregon State35 AZ36 Utah63 WSU95 ColoradoNow examine BYU's schedule39 Boise48
Central Florida 57 Cal62 Virginia66 Houston72 Nevada76 Utah State94 Middle Tennessee State135 UConn141 UNLV243 Savannah StateBy your definition, 11 teams on BYU's
schedule are pigs.
Utah, Arizona, Wazzoo, UW, Colorado, Oregon State, are all pigs with lipstick
LOL, none of those teams are powerhouses, yet you pound your chest each year
because you play them, whoopee
Rockwell,It does not change the narrative. The narrative is that
SOS matters... and a team with fewer wins but stronger SOS can be ranked higher
than a team with more wins and a lower SOS (like BYU). Utah was not ranked
higher than BYU in 2011 or 2012 because they needed to either win more games or
have a tougher SOS. But in 2013 they were ranked higher than BYU because of
their extremely difficult SOS. The narrative is still intact;
there are tons of examples every year of teams with worse records yet stronger
SOS being ranked higher than BYU and their traditionally weak schedule (see
below):2011#14 Texas AM 7-6 (SOS 4)#16 Missouri 8-5 (SOS
13)#25 Nebraska 9-4 (SOS 26)#26 Notre Dame 8-5 (SOS 25)#28
Penn State 9-4 (SOS 31)#29 Florida 7-6 (SOS 22)#31 Miss State 7-6
(SOS 28)#33 Auburn 8-5 (SOS 14)#34 BYU 10-3 (SOS 90) 2012#24 Mississippi 7-6 (SOS 18)#26 BYU 8-5 (SOS 63)2013#35 Utah 5-7 (SOS 3)#36 BYU 8-5 (SOS 38)Now more
than ever SOS will become critical for football success.
RE: Rockwell"After playing the three opponents the Utes chose to
schedule this year, Utah's SOS is ranked #120, with not a single opponent
ranked in the Top 50... until the Utes man up and actually schedule a decent OOC
opponent, you're all talk, but no walk, when it comes to
scheduling."That is not a fair analysis given that when Utah
scheduled their three OOC oppontents two of them were very good. It's not
their fault that FSU and Michigan have tanked recently. Re: xam"Have you done that same analysis of BYU's opponents?"I tried but several of the cupcakes were ranked so low in the preseason
I was unable to find their Sagarin rankings. It is telling that Texas
(preseason rank 23) is still ranked in the top 30, even after getting destroyed
by BYU. And Virginia is up 27 places despite losing to BYU. In addition to
Virginia and Cal both being ranked higher now than in the preseason, it is
likely that 2-3 of the bottom dwellers on BYU's schedule have moved up in
the rankings as well (thought the difference between 223 and 150 really
doesn't matter, a cupcake is still a cupcake).
xam"It explains why Sagarin can rank a 5 win Utah team higher
than an 8 win BYU team"So what happened in 2012 that completely
blew your narrative out the window?Sagarin has ranked BYU higher in
2 out of the last 3 seasons:2011 - #34 BYU(10-3), #39 Utah(8-5)2012 - #26 BYU(8-5), #61 Utah(5-7)2013 - #35 BYU(8-5), #34 Utah(5-7)As you can see, Utah "barely" finished ahead of BYU in 2013, and
Utah wasn't even close in 2012.
VegasUteLet's clear up a little misinformation.The
Utes only schedule three games per year. The PAC 12 schedules the rest of the
games for Utah, so the Utes have absolutely nothing to do with that
scheduling.After playing the three opponents the Utes chose to
schedule this year, Utah's SOS is ranked #120, with not a single opponent
ranked in the Top 50 - #190 Idaho State, #79 Fresno State, and #52 Michigan.Until the Utes man up and actually schedule a decent OOC opponent,
you're all talk, but no walk, when it comes to scheduling.
Wiscougarfan:Have you done that same analysis of BYU's
opponents? How far has Texas, UNLV, Savannah State, UCF, USU, etc fallen?
About the only BYU opponent that has significantly risen is PAC 12 Cal. I would
really like to see that comparison.Nice try to minimize the vast
difference in scheduling between the two schools.
don17:"28 teams don't recognize BYU as a potential
opponent, and 2 teams, Notre Dame and Utah have backed out of games"Let's set the record straight and clarify some misinformation.First of all, none of the 28 teams you are referring to "don't
recognize BYU as a potential opponent". They all can choose to schedule
BYU, it's just that BYU will not count as a P5 opponent. That is a big
difference. The PAC 12 automatically plays 9 P5 schools a year, but many PAC 12
schools have scheduled games with BYU, Utah included. The SEC and ACC are
mandating that each school also have a 9 P5 schedule each year and they are all
totally free to schedule BYU for the other three OOC games, just like the PAC
12.Notre Dame's trip to LES always seemed iffy. However, Utah
never backed out of any game with BYU. There simple were no game contracted for
in 2014 and 2015 and Utah scheduled a home and home with Michigan instead.
Bigger upside for Utah.One of the costs of independence is
scheduling, no need to get upset when you don't get your way.
@JayDee, "U fans are stuck on repeating the overused false premise that a
tough conference schedule means something" A tough conference
schedule doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it does explain a lot:
It explains why BYU's cupcake schedule allows them to qualify
for a bowl every year while Utah can only hit 5 wins on the #3 SOS It explains why BYU loses to Utah routinely yet finishes the season with a
better recordIt explains why Sagarin can rank a 5 win Utah team
higher than an 8 win BYU teamIt explains why W-L records don't
tell the whole story. Experts also examine SOS and head to head results. Does Utah need to improve their competitiveness in the PAC12? Sure.
However, you calling out the Utes for their lack of competitiveness is like
Beaver High school calling out Bingham for not beating Bishop Gorman HS. Your
"competitiveness in the PAC12" message carries no clout because BYU is
neither competitive with Utah or the PAC12. You have no authority on this
topic. Before you share your pearls of wisdom you might want to examine that
glass house you are sitting in.
@ xamYou're still tilting at imaginary windmills. Reread all my
posts on this thread carefully. I never mention comparative SOS or point out one
team vs. the other on the field. I do say that U fans are stuck on repeating the
overused false premise that a tough conference schedule means something even
though the U can't win more than half of their games against said schedule.
(Every one of your replies seems to confirm this...BTW.) Good luck to the U on
JayDee, my comments speak directly to your argument. You said...
"Of the three out-of-conference games the Utes scheduled this year,
three of them turned out to be of the cupcake variety when all was said and
done." I simply pointed out that BYU schedules more cupcakes by
far. Since you classify #52 Michigan as a cupcake then you must agree BYU has 9
cupcakes on their schedule (57, 62, 66, 72, 76, 94, 135, 141, 243). You said..."all the talk of the tough PAC12 means little until you
start to compete there."I demonstrated that BYU can't
compete in the PAC12 either, heck you can't even beat doormat Utah, so all
lectures by the pot (you) to the kettle (Utah fans) carry no credibility when
you live in that glass house.Bottom line: Could Utah win more games?
Sure, if they played BYU's schedule. Could BYU compete better than Utah
in the PAC12? No, they haven't proven it so far; since joining the PAC12
Utah has won 33% of their games and during that same period BYU has won 28% of
it's game against PAC teams.
RE: xamPre-season Sagarin rankings for Utah opponents vs. current
rankings (after four weeks)Idaho state ??, now 190(?)Fresno
State 55, now 79 (-24)Michigan 34, now 52 (-18)Washington State 61,
now 63 (-2)UCLA 21, now 11 (+10)Oregon State 26, now 31 (-5)USC 12, now 16 (-4)Arizona State 13, now 24 (-9)Oregon 2, now 4
(-2)Stanford 4, now 14 (-10)Arizona 29, now 35 (-6)Colorado
95, now 95 (net 0)Only ONE of Utah's opponents is as good as
advertised. Yes, their schedule is still stronger than BYU's but the
disparity between the two schedules is shrinking every weak as the PAC12 is
being exposed as significantly over-rated.
xamLook at the games Utah chose to schedule - ALL cupcakes.In fact, don't be too surprised to see the best of the bunch, Michigan,
sink much lower than #52.btw, traveling to away games from coast to
coast and to all four corners of the country - Connecticut, Texas, Florida,
Idaho, Tennessee, and California - is not nearly as easy as Utah fans pretend it
to be.In 2013, Utah only ventured outside the state of Utah four
times, with Utah's longest plane ride less than 2 hours.At
Michigan in 2014 was Utah's longest road trip since Pittsburgh in 2011.
@ xamWow! That's a lot of research to prove a point or rebut an
argument that I didn't make. There are no claims in anything I've
posted about comparing BYU and U of U teams on the field. All I've done is
state that the U fans argument about PAC 12 tough teams is now tiresome. Win in
conference and everyone will be impressed. Repeat the past three year's
performance and you can still claim the ever important strength of schedule
trophy. Good luck against the Cougars.
JayDee,Look at the entire season: UTAH vs. BYU SOS#4 Oregon > #29 Texas#11 UCLA > #39 Boise#14 Stanford
> #48 Central Florida #16 USC > #57 Cal#24 ASU > #62
Virginia#31 Oregon State > #66 Houston#32 Arizona > #72
Nevada#52 Michigan > #76 Utah State#63 WSU > #94 Middle
Tennessee State#79 Fresno State > #135 UConn#95 Colorado >
#141 UNLV#190 Idaho State > #243 Savannah StateWho plays
more cupcakes? I get that the ultimate goal is to win games, but it's a
lot easier to win when you play more cupcakes. If BYU were so much better than
Utah why can't they beat the Utes? In 2011 you had Van Noy, Ansah, Hoffman
& Heisman Heaps yet lost 54-10 at home. In 2013 you had Heisman Hill, Van
Noy and Hoffman and lost again at home in what Van Noy called BYU's super
bowl. If it's so easy, then why did BYU lose to a PAC12 doormat last year
(Utah) then get totally crushed by a middle of the conference PAC12 team
(Washington)? SOS matters, and when BYU plays the good teams they get rolled.
@xamOf the three out-of-conference games the Utes scheduled this
year, three of them turned out to be of the cupcake variety when all was said
and done. Utah has three games each year they need to arrange, BYU, 12. Of
course it is difficult to get all the games you would like as an independent.
You seem to miss the point that all the talk of the tough PAC12 means little
until you start to compete there. It's akin to saying, "We don't
win, but we sure do have difficult teams to play." We are still waiting to
see if U can win half of the conference games. Maybe that will happen this year.
Playing U Mass will give BYU great exposure in the media heavy northeast. I like
it.-----------------As for the always predictable
ankle-biting from the hill,it's interesting that this
"weak" U Mass team that BYU just scheduled, only lost to Colorado
41-38.This shows just how weak Utah's annual season-ending
"rivalry" game really is.Utah opens its seasons with a bad
FCS team and closes its seasons with one of the worst FBS teams, yet Utah fans
chide BYU for scheduling weak opponents.LOL at the hypocrisy.
You can't cite a single comment where a BYU fan has even hinted at
"hating" Idaho St. BYU fans have simply reiterated to our hypocritical
friends on the hill that the Bengals aren't a very good team.The Utes have scheduled a weak FCS team as a tune up game every year since
joining the PAC 12 and will continue to do so every year until they're
forced to play an all P5 schedule...which will never happen.btw, it's interesting that two of Utah's three regular season
wins in 1944, were against Idaho St.Utah's history of playing
weak Idaho St. teams goes back a long way.
The cougs sure hate the bengals of Idaho State, I wonder why? Is it because
they were the opponent for Senior Night last year? Or the game in Oct 2011? Or
@JayDee "Luv the U fan that spouts inanities about scheduling as if they
never had an Idaho State or Weber State show up at RES"Utah fans
aren't saying they never have a cupcake on the schedule. It's more
about the sheer volume of cupcakes that find their way on to BYU's schedule
@eastcoastcoug "I'd rather play a team in Boston than one in Cedar
City. Any old day..."I've got news, BYU gets to play #243
Savannah State. Try putting lipstick on that.
@Uncle RicoRemind me what Idaho State's record has been the
past 2 years.Pad that schedule.
Future opponents for UMass include Boston College, Notre Dame, Florida Gators,
and Tenn. Vols. Luv the U fan that spouts inanities about scheduling as if they
never had an Idaho State or Weber State show up at RES. It is seriously time to
give up all your tough conference schedule talk and win 5 PAC 12 games. then
more people may sit up and listen. Good luck against WSU this week.
Not real excited about this one. I guess it's better than Idaho State, but
UMASS seems like a pretty weak football program. I was not aware that they were
becoming independent, and it will be cool to play in the Patriot's stadium
in Massachusetts, I was just hoping for a little tougher competition.
Lets roll:Navy joins the AAC next year so that may influence some future
games with them. Not really sure why Army and BYU don't schedule each
other, but I wouldn't be a big fan of that either. I would love playing AFA
again every year. It would be nice to see the service academies on the schedule,
but after next year only one of them will still be independent.
Well, the fall color would be cool there. Good luck UMass as an Independent
Sounds good to me, I'll look forward to a trip to Boston.
Sounds about right.UMass is 2-26 since the start of 2012 season.Just what BYU is looking for.Pad that schedule.
And the winner of the crayfish award goes to........ BYU.
Not exactly a powerhouse in a weak conference. Ever read about of U Mass in the
polls or featured on Sports center ? Still the BYU faithful criticize the Utes
schedule ? Why the flack ? BTW, good luck with Savanna State and Middle
Tennessee this year.
I don't think this is so bad. If BYU makes the last of the four games,
that's two visits to Boston. I love Boston! BYU's schedules for
those years are significantly better than this year and it gives them a chance
to market the church to a broader market, which is the main reason for BYU to be
an independent. Just my two cents.
As i have stated before, i would love to be in a p5 conference but i do love
having these random suprises every once in a while about scheduling. It is like
christmas even if its not a big name team. Always fun to get news about the
team and hearing about all the teams we are scheduling is amazing!! Keep it
coming!! Lets get some big dogs who arent afraid of playing us!
When I first saw that BYU agreed to 4 games with UMass, I thought: "we
seriously couldn't do any better than UMass?"But then I
thought about it for a second, and a few things came to mind:1)
Every team has one or two games every season against a bad team (yes, this
includes you, utah). As long as we don't add to many more bad teams for
these years, I'm fine with UMass essentially being our FCS opponent.2) Our 2016-2019 schedules are pretty strong. In 2016 we open the year
with four straight P5 teams and also have some of the best non P5's. 2017
is a little weak, to be honest. In 2018 we have 4 P5 teams and in 2019 we had 6
games scheduled before we added UMass. 5 were against P5 teams, the other team
was Boise State.3) I'm not saying Umass is going to be a
college football power in a few years, but they just barely joined the FBS
ranks. There is no doubt their team will improve as they get better resources
and better recruiting. For proof of that, see Texas San-Antonio.
What is the deal with the service academies? It makes sense to schedule other
independents (especially in November) but haven't seen anything about why
BYU hasn't scheduled Army or Navy?
re: don17You are completely mistaken about 28 teams not able to play
byu. ACC and SEC said that byu is not a P5 school for the scheduling
requirements that will soon take effect. There will be 2 games per year per
team that would allow for byu to be scheduled. Since Bronco has publicly stated
that byu has earned home and home only there is little incentive to schedule a
team on the oher side of the country. Blah blah blah so and so school blah blah
blah spare your keystrokes we all know what is going to be replied. Obviously,
independence is not the wonderful track that it appeared to be; your own coaches
words show that. Desperation to fill in 4 games to have home/home with UMass?Utah did not back out of any games, all contracts will be
honored...Notre Dame...well that is a different issue.
@ don17Utah never backed out. It simply chose not to schedule BYU
when the last contract ran out.
UTE 81.I know they don't have a contractual obligation to play
BYU. Obviously! But, I just propose the opportunities as the openings are there!
Typical picky Utah fan! Argue about nothing! And I say that as a University
of Oklahoma fan. 28 teams don't recognize BYU as a potential
opponent, and 2 teams, Notre Dame and Utah have backed out of games. The AD at
BYU can only work with what he has available.
re:eastcoastcougSo now there should be purity tests to post on
DesNews? CTR in the back pocket? I know, genetic testing to prove pioneer
heritage (we could have the same cut off as the DUP, 1868?).I am
glad we play little brother SUU, from Cedar City, that way we keep the money in
the family. If we could only keep byu off the schedule after the next 3.
Wouldn't it be interesting if BYU just happened to get a Heisman Trophy
winner, a New Years bowl game, or with an outside chance, be included in the
College Football playoff system. All the while playing and scheduling these so
called 'cupcakes'? And wouldn't it be ironic if one of those bowl
games was the Rose Bowl? I'm starting to smell roses around Utah county.
Before everyone thinks BYU is padding a weak schedule, in 2016: BYU already has
Arizona, Utah, UCLA, West Virginia, Boise State and Cincinnati. 2017: not real
strong Utah, Cal, Boise State, and East Carolina and 2018: Arizona, Wisconsin,
Boise State, Utah. 2019: Wisconsin, Virginia, USC, Navada, Boise State and
Washington State. I think is kind of cool to play a new team. The
real question is how did UMass schedule Army, Bronco said he would love the
chance to play them.
I'd rather play a team in Boston than one in Cedar City. Any old day...
In 2016 BYU already has games lined up with Arizona, Utah, UCLA, and West
Virginia. That's four power 5 schools, not to mention tough group of 5
schools Boise State, Utah State, and Cincinnati. UMASS serves as an easy win
along with our game against Southern Mississippi.That's 2 creme
puffs, UMASS and Southern Miss. Before Ute fans poke fun they should realize
they also have 2 creme puffs scheduled in 2016: Southern Utah and San Jose
State.2018's schedule is comparable, with Arizona, Wisconsin,
Washington, Utah, Boise State, Utah State, and Northern illinois. That's
four power 5 and a couple of tough group of five.So BYU schedules a
couple of easy wins. What's the big deal? Utes should know all about
scheduling easy wins; after all, they were afraid to play BYU this year so they
lined up Fresno State instead.
ekute"afro14,The rush to put lipstick on this
announcement is entertaining."Almost as entertaining as your
rush to post on a BYU article. Every. Time.
Hey, Ute fans, I thought you guys had "moved on". Appreciate the
interest in all things BYU but I thought you guys had outgrown us...
re: don17Nebraska and Michigan owe you nothing. BYU agreed to those
'one and none' arrangements.I though the goal was
'the best teams on the biggest stages' how does this meet either of
those? UMass has been in FBS for two years (this is year 3) and plays in the
MAC until 2016 when it will be independent. They are a really poor team winning
2 games as a FBS school therefore, even as a 'Group of 5' opponent
they don't measure up. To those college football fans that cheer for BYU,
this isn't good news and you have my condolences.
afro14,The rush to put lipstick on this announcement is
One thing I will say about BYU fans, you guys can put the most positive spin on
just about anything.
Wow a four game series with UMass!! Now that's something to get excited
about!! Ha ha ha
Still scheduling those quality opponents, I see.
So much for increasing Strength Of Schedule. UMASS......really?
“With UMass joining BYU as an independent football program in 2016, this
series makes a lot of sense for both schools,” BYU director of athletics
Tom Holmoe said...Agreed, makes a lot of sense. Joking
aside, this really isn't such a bad thing for the Cougs, it's a cool
part of the country and there are a lot of LDS folks living in that neck of the
woods that will provide BYU with a home away from home field advantage. And if
you're going to play a weak team, it might as well be a road game
(technically neutral field) where you'll have more fans than the opponent
and a game you should win going away...All in front of the east coast media.
Definitely beats playing Idaho or Idaho State.
Ah, you win some you lose most. This is probably one of those 'well hook
you up because we wished we had someone hooking us up' kind of scheduling
agreements. Good for BYU for helping out a school that needs it.
I hope BYU stays independent, and don't care if we reach national
championship play offs as part of some conference.The exposure is
U.Mass has won two games in their last 26. They have played some good teams and
have some good teams coming up on their schedule. But, unless there is a turn
around this will not help BYU in power rankings. just in filling a schedule.Might I suggest: Sept 2, 2017 Nebraska at LES. They need a game then and
so does the Y. They owe a game at LES.Also Consider: Sept. 8, 2018.
Michigan at LES. They too need a game then as well as the Y. They also owe us a
Also, since the first two games are at LES, does that mean that this is
basically a 2-for-1. I think that's what the Utah fans have been telling
us. Probably, we'll never return to Mass, right? So really it's a 2-0
UMASS is certainly not a powerhouse but the location, the history of the
program, and being able to compete against fellow independents make this
match-up much more desirable than teams like Wyoming, Idaho State, etc. Glad to
have them on the schedule. Go Cougs!
Not sure this is a win for BYU or not.
Independence is awesome! I've been to Notre Dame Stadium, Camp Randall,
Darrell K Royal and had awesome experiences and a warm welcome at every one.
I'm looking forward to The Big House, Memorial Stadium in Lincoln and the
Rose Bowl next year. Now I can add Gillett at Foxborough! Love following the