'Deseret News National Edition': Common Core, budget problems and Honor Flight

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  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Sept. 4, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    I don't know worf, we've had public schools in our country for a long time and by most measures we are a prosperous nation. Now I can't speak for the schools in say Somalia, but I would like to think ours are better, common core or not and our educated populace makes a difference.

    Also, Finland has great public education, the country is doing well. They have invested in education at new levels in new ways.

  • RickChappell Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    If you disagree with the implementation of CC, then it is assumed that you must misunderstand it only depends on why you are against it. If you are against it because it is a federal program forced upon schools, then yes, you misunderstand it. If you are against it because it teaches math the hard way, then yes, you misunderstand it. If you are against it because it make pornography mandatory reading, then yes you misunderstand it. If you are against it because it is Obama's plan, then you misunderstand it. All of these common complaints are false and based on complete misunderstandings of Common Core and what it is and isn't.
    Most people confuse Common Core with Obama's Race to the Top program. The Race to the Top sets up funding based on standards adoption (and btw Common Core is not required - a state merely has to show a comprehensive standard to qualify - several states have). RttT sets up monitoring and record keeping and creates the federal incursion into education. The CC is little more than the previous National Standard or the one before that. In fact, it is less comprehensive, and so less potentially invasive.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    Dear bradleyc

    Your comment only show how naive and deceived you are.

    "The common core is a great set of standards which will greatly help our kids succeed in the future. It is well thought out and will push our students to think through things."

    CC has nothing to do with standards! You are so wrong, you are not even in the same ballpark. This is a giant reach of the federal government controlling everything taught in the classroom.

    Even worse, this is the largest corporate data collection, a collection on every student in the US.

    This is a loss of individual and local freedom and a breach of personal privacy hidden with deception at a level never before conceived.

    Wake up and take back our control. CC needs to be fought and repealed.

  • Oak Highland, UT
    Sept. 1, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    Anyone living in the delusion that Common Core isn't controlled by the feds should look at what just happened in Oklahoma where after repealing the "state-led, voluntary, internationally benchmarked" (all lies) standards, the feds revoked their NLCB waiver.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 1, 2014 10:03 a.m.


    When in the history of this planet, has a government run school system produced a prosperous society?

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    When will Utah wake up to the "political correctness" infused in the Common Core curriculum? Traditional values are excluded, and if students don't adhere to the progressive agenda, they will not do well on the SAT's.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    In an article I read recently about common core, a federal official defended it by saying although the results show it is doing poorly, people need to be patient and give it a few years and it should start doing better. Well what about the kids now? We are supposed to not care that common core is messing them up right now and only care about future kids? Miss understood...yeah!

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Sept. 1, 2014 6:38 a.m.

    The common core is a great set of standards which will greatly help our kids succeed in the future. It is well thought out and will push our students to think through things. From an entrepreneurs point of view, it will help build a great generation of people who will be able to invent better, create better and become better workers than any generation we have seen so far. Time to get behind it and choose curriculums that we can all live with.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Sept. 1, 2014 12:05 a.m.

    Common core standards are below most standards states had prior to this current race to the top program. But regardless of this the standards matter very little. All the standards are is a benchmark statement and most education institutions have had this for many years.

    The standards are not the problem its the coercion by the Dept of ED and the loss of control by local parents and teachers. The waiver out of common core is unconstitutional. No agency has the power to unilaterally waive any law unless the law specifically gives that power. "No Child left behind" does not give the Sect of Education power to waive its requirements. This is a dangerous precedent.

    Also there is only one curriculum approved to meet the standards and that is the Common Core curriculum. The lady in the film is dead wrong about this. They knew there would be opposition to a federal curriculum and that is why they tried to ram it through as fast as they could to avoid a backlash.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    I am now a retired (1 year) high school math teacher, and was trained and used Common Core for 2 years in the classroom before I retired.

    Common core standards were written behind closed doors by people who are not accountable or even identifiable, with little or no input from states or teachers.

    States and school districts have been pressured by the federal government to tow the line or face the loss of millions of dollars. Sounds like blackmail to me.

    History has been trashed and rewritten to push forth the extreme progressive agenda.

    Math standards are a joke, of course students will never be tested on basic principles.

    The testing is nothing more than a giant corporate data gathering operation making the NSA's operation look like a bunch of Boy Scouts. They intend to gather, market, and sell the information on everyone, that will follow the all of our students for the rest of their lives.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 11:21 p.m.

    @tilly - depends on why you disagree. But if it's anything related to "the Feds" like the two comments prior to yours, you do misunderstand it.

  • TilleySue South Weber, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    Why is it that if I disagree with the implemetation of CC, then it is assumed that I must misunderstand it?

  • Freedom Seeker Riverton, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    Keep the Feds out of our schools. Common Core is a joke just in math alone.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 31, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    The track record for educational programs have been costly with little to no positive result.

    NCLB, Head Start, standardized testing, and cooperative learning are a few examples of wasted expense, time, and money.

    Is it any wonder why, people are backing away from common core?

    Why should our children be held accountable to the feds, because of a worthless test score?