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  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 31, 2014 8:22 p.m.

    Hey JoeCapitalist2 -

    " . . . an Obama scandal (like the VA mess . . ." . . . goes way back deep into the GW Bush administration.”


    It's no more Obama's scandal than it is GW's.

    VA negligence brought to light on Obama's watch, and that in itself signals a transparency that never existed under GW Bush.

    Hey David -

    " It is an unfortunate reality that Obama relaxes a lot, doesn't have a strategy, and makes a lot of mistakes. "


    It's fortunate that the Obama administration actively works to the benefit of this country . . .as opposed to the laissez faire policies of GW that assumed the nation could just lead itself.

    And that attitude, of course, led directly to 911, and a string of failures that imperiled this nation.

    The differences between the Republican GW Bush administration and the Democratic Obama administration are startling.

    GW gave us arrogance, misplaced confidence, and one DISASTER after another.

    Obama gives us good sense, competence, dedication, and ability . . . And of course “Conservatives” are insanely jealous.

    No sane person wants to return to the kind of leadership GW Bush represented.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    ordinaryfolks: "This President could walk on water, and the right wing in the country would accuse him of jay-walking."

    Possibly. But for all the progressive kool-aid drinkers who actually think that he does walk on water, I doubt he could do anything (except join the tea party) that would cause any of them to criticize him. They still think that each and every one of the scandals he is involved in are phony.

    GaryO: "By and large, the American press FAILED to do its job in accurately defining and criticizing GW’s ridiculous policies."

    If dozens of front page news stories that criticized almost every Bush policy means that the press failed to cover it, I'm not sure what to call every Obama failure that gets a paragraph on page 21 in almost every newspaper. Most main stream press outlets don't even bother to cover an Obama scandal (like the VA mess) until it is too big to ignore. Even then they water it down and excuse it in most of their coverage.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    Certainly the president should be able to relax. It is an unfortunate reality that Obama relaxes a lot, doesn't have a strategy, and makes a lot of mistakes.

    It doesn't project competence or ability.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 31, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    Hey Sven –

    “ . . . are you sure you want to go here?”

    Sure, why not?

    Everyone sometimes misspeaks, and a misspoken phrase does not make policy.

    Your hero GW Bush, on the other hand, spluttered on endlessly with nonsensical remarks. For him, it was standard operating procedure.

    I was adamantly opposed to handing the reins of power over to a man like GW. He couldn’t pronounce the word “N U C L E A R” if his life depended on it. And yet you were happy to give him the Nuclear suitcase.

    GW’s rambling mind showed in his thinking and in the lurching and confused policies he instituted . . . And in the COMPLETE DISASTER he left this nation.
    Obama’s clear thinking is reflected in his much more reasoned approach to governing.

    Face it Sven, GW left us disaster, and Obama is making things right again, even in the face of tremendous opposition from obstructive and destructive Republicans who still continually make excuses for GW and his actions.

    GW was a legacy student at Yale. On the other hand, Obama, like Clinton, came from a modest background, and WORKED for what he attained.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    GaryO said:

    "In other words, you are attacking the Left for being accurate in this instance."

    GaryO, are you sure you want to go here? Okay, if you insist. Try these little gems on for size:

    * "We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad."

    * "Navy CorPSe-Man"

    * "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go."

    * “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”

    * "I bowled a 129. It's like - it was like the Special Olympics, or something."

    * Obama thinks Austrian is a language

    * Obama has no clue how to offer a simple toast to the Queen of England. She has to tell him to sit down, so as not to further humiliate himself

    * Needs a teleprompter to speak to elementary school kids.


    You said:

    “And your list for opposing Obama is complete NONSENSE.”

    This is your answer…really?

  • azreader1 tucson, AZ
    Aug. 31, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    Wow, almost six years into Obama's presidency and it's still all about Bush for many Obama supporters. Absolutely amazing.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 31, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    Sven, does do the world a service when they list their objections to the President.

    When you can plainly see scandals that aren't scandals, cherry picked numbers (unemployment rates that overstate common usage, snap numbers that compare the end of a recession to the beginning, workforce numbers that ignore the demographics of an aging population), and the distortion of statements.

    "We don't have a strategy yet" could mean, we don't have a clue, we are weighing our options, or we don't have enough information to commit to a strategy yet (one of the problems with the English language. Anyone who has learned another more sophisticated language will know what I'm talking about.). Guess which one the haters have promoted as the meaning.

    It is nice to be reminded in one spot just how superficial and distorted the current Republican party is.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    Sven you hit it in the head. I wonder where these folks buy their Obama blinders. They are so invested in the prospect of socialism. You listed some of Obama's complete failures in which he is one. They don't list accomplishments because he has none. Oh we would hear he got Osama. Yep with other peoples intelligence. Oh and the wonder of the ages Obamacare which is a mess.But your list is his real accomplishments. Truth hurts Fact Obams is the worst President in history.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 30, 2014 8:56 p.m.

    Hey Sven -

    " Seems to me I remember the Left calling Bush stupid, evil, unable to speak intelligently...etc."

    In other words, you are attacking the Left for being accurate in this instance.

    "Seems I also remember the Left celebrating a movie depicting President Bush's assassination. Remember that?"

    That movie was made by the Brits, who were just as disgusted with GW as every other sane nation in the world.

    And your list for opposing Obama is complete NONSENSE.


  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 30, 2014 8:09 p.m.

    Bush preferred to go bed early, but apparently, could never get out of bed early enough to honor the soldiers he so recklessly sent off to die.
    Bush also did not go to military funerals, telling the military newspaper Stars and Stripes three years ago that he preferred to meet families privately. I very well doubt he met with 6000 families.
    Bush's inaction is a national disgrace, amounting to government censorship -- of the funerals of returning U.S. service members. Not one funeral did he ever attend.
    Love that Republican respect for our troops.

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    Sven, please continue. Maybe if you keeping listing the Fox top 100 you might, just might, hit on something that is actually legitimate.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 5:47 p.m.

    The DN is again taking the President to task on a ridiculous issue. If the same standard were held for the Church that owns the DN, then there would be many church leader castigated for their own behavior. At a time when Religious Freedom and the Constitution is holding on by a thread (as some alarmists say) I see church leaders at the Jazz Games and other events including University of Utah football games.

    Hold them to the same standard as you are holding this current president.

    BTW golfing and attending games are normal activities that any public person should do! It's being normal, even for the President and Church leaders.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    In my opinion, this editorial,
    "Par for Deseret News"

    What is the editors opinion on SUU removing Harry Reid's name on one of its buildings?

  • Gene Poole SLC, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    This is a pretty fair assessment of the situations of the modern American President. When placed under the media microscope, no matter the party affiliation, the President will be castigated or glorified. The key to analysis, IMHO, of a Modern-day President is the response to the question: Is the President living in integrity and does the President support, honor and defend the Constitution of The United States of America.

    All other commentary about the President's activities should be left to the checkout stand news stands. Who cares if his suit is beige. Not Presidential enough. There are other reasons to consider that conundrum but what he's wearing or when he plays golf (He was on holiday.) Actually President Obama has played less golf than other Presidents. Unfortunately, there has been more of a mess in the world.

    What is more of a concern than golf or attire, is his comment that there is no strategy on how to address the rise of ISIS. A threat the King of Saudi Arabia feels is quite real. Let's hope President Obama figures it out.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 30, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    The President is expected to work and to work hard for this country. LBJ spent 16 to 20 hours a day working for us. Many of us disagree with his policies, but he WORKED. Obama is not a worker. He has never had a real job. He plays golf. He plays cards. He bowls. He vacations. He campaigns. He does not work.

    His job is to execute the laws of this nation. He refuses to do that.

    Anyone who is unbiased can read his schedule and see that he has failed to work and that he has failed to execute the laws of this nation.

    He will go down as the president who played golf when his nation was in peril. That will be his legacy. That is the legacy that he chose by his conduct.

    Being President is a thankless job, even when the President is not spending his time on the golf course or on vacation. Obama makes it too easy to take pot shots. He has "poisoned the well" for any Democrat who runs for office.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    ordinaryfolks said:

    "Bush was criticized roundly by the progressives in the country, but mainly for bad wars and bad politics. Obama is criticized for breathing."


    Oh really? Seems to me I remember the Left calling Bush stupid, evil, unable to speak intelligently...etc. Seems I also remember the Left celebrating a movie depicting President Bush's assassination. Remember that?

    You want reasons why we criticize Obama? Here ya go:

    * Real unemployment 14%

    * Over 47 million Americans are on food stamps; which is almost double what it was in January 2009

    * 92 million Americans are out of the workforce; the highest rate in 35 years

    * Benghazi (3 scandals)

    * NSA scandal

    * IRS scandal

    * Fast and Furious (gun running) scandal

    * VA scandal

    * Violating the separation of powers and creating a Constitutional Crisis with his threat to provide amnesty to millions of illegals

    * If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor

    * If you like your insurance plan you can keep your insurance plan

    * "We don't have a strategy yet."

    Shall I continue?

    Aug. 30, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    US presidents are only presidents, they are not kings or dictators. The terms of their job are not to legislate new laws, but to enforce existing ones. Presidents also, get too much credit for things going right user their watch, (i.e. Clinton) and too much blame when things go wrong (i.e. Bush 43). The actions of congress are often overlooked. The reduction of the deficit is one example in recent years. President Obama likes to point out how the deficit has been reduced under his watch, but his policy prescriptions for higher tax rates and higher spending would have probably led to a larger deficit. The "do nothing," gridlocked congress is responsible for reigning in spending.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    President Eisenhower played a lot of golf and a lot of bridge. He was criticized for that in his time. It was felt that he let subordinates run the show while he was a mere figurehead. We now know that to be entirely false. Ike was an active manager who got most things right. He also relaxed and enjoyed himself as President.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    The DN has found another way to criticize Obama. They have tried to make it fair and balanced by pointing out Bush was criticized for giving up golf. Incidentally, that commentary is misleading as it gives the impression he gave it up in 2008. That would only be the last year of his presidency. Not very impressive. He gave up golf in August of 2003. Wilson golfed through World War I and did 1,200 rounds during his presidency. Eisenhower golfed 800 rounds during his two terms, or about twice a week. So far Obama has golfed about 180 rounds or about three times a month. A bigger issue is vacation time. Vacation days by this point (5 1/2 years) of their presidency? Bush - 407, Obama 125. Bush spent a third of his presidency vacationing away from the White House.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 30, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    “I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.” That brilliant quote from GW Bush fails to note that he launched that unprovoked war for no good reason.

    And now Deseret News is criticizing Obama for golfing? . . . But DN didn’t say a peep against the NUMEROUS horrible policies of GW Bush.

    By and large, the American press FAILED to do its job in accurately defining and criticizing GW’s ridiculous policies.

    I will say that the legitimate TV news organizations (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN et al) were extremely reluctant to promote a war in Iraq, but FOX "NEWS" acted as a cheerleader for that unprovoked and useless war . . . No surprise there in retrospect.

    "Par for the President huh?" Obama may not be a scratch golfer, but par for this President will result in a much position for this nation than what GW left us.

    Obama has his own game, and it does NOT include engaging in unprovoked invasions, eliminating the only government that succeeded in keeping Islamic extremists down, and killing 100,000 Iraqi Muslims, thus inspiring an undying need for vengeance against the United States.

  • intervention slc, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    What a strange editorial "there is nothing a president can do to avoid criticism," but "President Obama should know better." "

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 30, 2014 5:57 a.m.

    The editorial should have left it at "Presidents are in a Catch-22." Instead it goes on to indulge in the very thing it acknowledges as unfair.

    I wish that the most momentous decisions our Presidents made were those involving the visuals created by their vacation activities. Please...

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 30, 2014 5:16 a.m.

    Let's face it.

    This President could walk on water, and the right wing in the country would accuse him of jay-walking.

    Bush was criticized roundly by the progressives in the country, but mainly for bad wars and bad politics. Obama is criticized for breathing. And all because he had the audacity to win the office with a majority of the voters of America backing his visions, policies and persona.

    Like I said, this paper and all other right wing oriented papers will find the President to blame for eating breakfast, or sleeping or any other mundane daily activity, just because he has the support of progressive voters. Sad for us all.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 12:25 a.m.

    "The conventional wisdom is that all of this time spent on the green is indicative of a disconnected president who is not taking his job seriously.

    Is that a fair assessment? Not really."

    So, your point?