BYU starting cornerbacks Jordan Johnson, Robertson Daniel don't make trip to UConn

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  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 29, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    I didnt say that Johnson was promised that BYU would schedule a game with UConn or any other team close by his home town. I simply stated how important playing in front of family is to players and that some teams go out of their way to make that happen. The scheduling of UCONN only two years ago would fit that scenario perfectly. I am sure it wasnt done just for Johnson but it certainly was a nice side benefit up until bronco decided to add a little more punich to his game suspension.

    As for saying that I am assuming what Johnson didnt know I can only say that the Deseret News reported earlier this week that Johnsons family and high school coach couldnt wait to see him and hopefully see him play. If those quotes were taken from before the July party that resulted in Johnson being suspended from the game then it is a pretty misleading article to be running now.

    Would anyone really cry foul and say that BYU was being unfair to other players if they let Johnson travel with his teammates to his home town.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    I feel ya Dawg. However, I think BYU will be fine. Defensively they may give up more than they normally would but offensively they will be ok. The RBs have a ton of experience. You have Mathews, Leslie, etc all ready at the WR position, and by all accounts an improved offensive line. Yes it won't be as pretty as we like but I think it will be ok.

    And no...Utah isn't beating Oregon this year. I actually wish they could because I personally can't stand the Donald Ducks but I just don't see that happening.

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    If Coach Mendenhall had the discretion to make the suspension in the first place based on the misconduct being an Honor Code or team rules violation (but nothing implicating the NCAA), why not suspend Johnson for a different game rather than one his high school coach/friends/family could attend that he's had marked on his calendar since arriving at BYU 4 years ago?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 29, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    I really see nothing difficult with the honor code.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 29, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    I'm a little worried - leaving 5 guys home seems like a lot, especially your starting corners. But the other guys have been practicing with the ones all fall, so clearly this is not news to the guys left home.

    I'm expecting a close win or a crazy goofy loss like last year to a team BYU should stomp on. BYU wins or loses by 3.

    But that's the fun of college football. Nobody predicted that Texas A&M would lay 52 on S. Carolina. A little bummed about Ole Miss hammering Boise. The glory days are probably over for the Broncos.

    Maybe Utah will beat Oregon this year. Crazier things have happened.

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    Aug. 29, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    Back Talk,
    You don't know what Johnson was or wasn't told with regards to his making the trip east or about what he may have told his family or friends. Assuming that he was told one thing, then had his seat taken from him at the last moment would be an assumption of huge proportions. The game with Connecticut was scheduled less than two years ago, and had nothing to do with Johnson's recruitment. In fact, if stories are to be believed the effort was being made to schedule a game with Syracuse instead, and the Connecticut game became something of a fallback plan, so I'm going to tell you that "Johnson didn't deserve to travel with the team for that reason". Let's hope he has better communication with and understands his coach better than you do.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 29, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Joe and Xalter

    I didnt advocate the these players not be punished for breaking the rules. The problem is that not only wont Johnson be allowed to play in front of family (which was highlighted in previous DN articles) but just to prove how tough he is, Bronco decides at the last minute to not let him go with the team back to his home town. That sounds like individual punishment to me.

    Some sport teams tell recruits when they are recruited that the coach will do his best to schedule a future game with a team from his home town so that the player can play in front of family. You cant tell me that Johnson didnt deserve to travel with the team for that reason alone.

    Again, Johnsons response to this is the important thing. If he resents this indivudual punichment it could affect his play in future games. It could also sower him on BYU as a school and not be the ambassdor of BYU that every coach hopes his players will be.

    Lets hope that he has a more forgiving attitude than Bronco does.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 29, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    Some good discussion so far. Here's my two bits:

    Not just one suspended player, but four. If you take one, do you have to take four?

    Only 70 guys make the flight. If four of them cannot play, you have to leave four people behind who couuld play. Who do you leave? The 3rd string qb? Maybe a spare kicker or deep snapper?

    Hang in, guys. Hope all is well in time for Texas. Hope all is well enough for tonight.


  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Aug. 29, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    I have no problem keeping the news of suspensions away from the media and fans, but if Jordan truly had no idea as to what was going on then I have an issue with that style of coaching. Either he knew about it and was playing the innocent/ignorant card with the media or he truly had no idea why he wasn't getting first team reps, etc. For the coach not to be totally up front and honest with players is horrible and I would hope that wouldn't be the case with Bronco in his attempts to keep things internalized in the program.

    Unfortunately for this young man now, he won't have the opportunity to play in front of family and friends back east. I hope that whatever he did, it was truly worthy of this punishment- and I hope that too many more things like this doesn't have a negative impact on recruiting in the years to come (fear of being suspended with no idea as to why or what).

    I know we'll likely never know the full story, nor do I need to, I just trust it's all good.


  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    You nailed it on the head. I think Rob Daniel and JJ knew they were being suspended but kept their mouths shut about it because that's what the coaching staff handle these HC and team rules violations in house. Williams and Blackmon have more demonstrative and gregarious personalities (GA friend of mine says Blackmon is always cracking jokes and reminds him a lot of Jamal) so they tweeted and let the cat out of the bag.

    That said, however, I do think it's strange that we just read an DN article where JJ's friends and family are talking about being excited to attend the game and watch him. When those quotes were given may lend to why they were given also. If they were quoted few weeks ago, JJ may not have known at that time. I just wish Bronco would handle it differently. You can say players won't make the trip or are suspended without going into any further detail. Then we as fans know what to expect, and not get our hopes up to see certain players. Just some common courtesy isn't too much to ask.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Back Talk and Ronald: I'm glad I wasn't raised with you as my parents. I'm glad my mom taught me about consequences. It has made my life as an adult so much easier to know that I am responsible for my actions and the ensuing consequences. Unfortunately too few people understand that concept in our society today.

  • Xoltar Snohomish, WA
    Aug. 29, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    @Back Talk

    "Based on earlier newspaper articles, Johnson had no idea that he wouldnt be traveling or even playing t his week. Dont you think a little common courtesy would be to let them know ealer on so that they dont make plans to be with family and have their excitement and hopes dashed at the last minute?"

    What articles are you referring to? My understanding on this all along has been that all the people that were going to be suspended already knew, Bronco decided not to announce them, but a couple of them decided to announce themselves. The others already knew, but didn't announce. Media speculation around Johnson and Daniel being two others that would also be suspended has been out there for weeks. I suspect that there was one incident of some sort that all of them were involved in and all of them got caught together. No one was caught off guard by this (except maybe you ;-) ).

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 29, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    USC's Coach Sarkisian is also on the hot seat for his errant player and charges of racism from another player.

    When I was at Washington, a couple of players beat up a guy in a bar and put him in the hospital. They played the next weekend. Didn't even make the Seattle Times, if I recall correctly.

    It's not easy being the coach. Times have changed and players are kids who do stupid things. Society doesn't tolerate things that were "boys will be boys" in the old days.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Aug. 29, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Back Talk
    Federal Way, WA

    I am prpbably one of the very view on this site that agrees with you.

    "Lord, how many times shall I forgive, 7" "Nay I say unto you, not 7, but 70 X 7"
    "Judge not, lest ye be judged" "Leave the judging to God"

    Some times, I think that there are those that are edicted, not to alcohol, not to tobacco,
    not to drugs, but to power, and sometimes, abuse of power.

  • RonBergundy SANDY, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    Violations were very similar to that of Jamal, who also is suspended

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 29, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    To you harsh critics:

    Bronco wakes up at 2 in the morning trying to figure a way for Jordan Johnson to make this trip.

    Unless you know all aspects of the story probably best to keep your opinions to yourselves, instead of crucifying the man. As the head coach, Bronco gets forced into situations by his players, and he is forced to deal with those situations. I believe he makes the right call.

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    Aug. 29, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    I wonder if Johnson not playing had anything to do with the NCAA investigation, the results of which are still pending. I'm sure that the coach had hoped that all of this would have been resolved before now, but until it is, those involved won't be able to play without jeopardizing the entire season for the team.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    How many 'starters' are actually going to play tonight? Too bad players can't follow the rules.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 29, 2014 1:03 a.m.

    This really stinks... Jordan Johnson sounds like a very , very good human being...

    I don't know why he doesn't get to play, but it's difficult to understand why he doesn't get to at least go (being that this is his senior year and that this would be a homecoming for him)... Not sure what the purpose of that is, and it's not something that requires my approval... But I do think that circumstances sometimes requires mitigation...

    Not everything is "black and white" sometimes, as a decision maker, you have to be able to navigate through shades of gray (example, while Brandon Davies had to sit out after an honor code violation, Coach Rose had the "class" to let him travel with the team and sit on the bench during the 2011 NCAA Basketball Playoffs... It was recognized by Rose that Davies had made big contributions to the program)... I understand that Justice cannot rob Mercy, but grace should still have a seat somewhere at the table. Johnson has contributed well this program and at the end of this year will have spent 5 very meaningful years here.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 11:46 p.m.

    Very sad for Jordan Johnson that he doesn't get to play at home by his friends and family, but kudos to Bronco for doing the right thing.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 11:19 p.m.

    So it is not good enough that Johnson wont play in front of his family and friends but just to prove how "disciplined" he is, Bronco doesnt even let him travel with the team and see his family at UConn.

    Based on earlier newspaper articles, Johnson had no idea that he wouldnt be traveling or even playing t his week. Dont you think a little common courtesy would be to let them know ealer on so that they dont make plans to be with family and have their excitement and hopes dashed at the last minute?

    Once again, Bronco does something strange and unnessary just to try and prove a point, publicly, that BYU is different than other schools. Well, it certainly is.

    Now, it will all depend on Johnsons esponse whether this issue gets messier or better. If he resents the last minute and unnessary action, and feels that it was done to punish him personally, what good did it do Bronco?

    Even his refrain of "rules are rules" doesnt make this additional action warrented.

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Aug. 28, 2014 11:00 p.m.

    According to what information has been made available about all this, the players are all manning up and moving along. Not as happily as if they had no penalty to pay where that is the case, but I'm pleased with the maturity displayed by the players involved. No reason for any of this to be a negative or go on past this game.

  • Bob Santaquin, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    Best we leave it up to the coach, that's why we pay him the big money, he has to have the guts to make the hard decision!

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Aug. 28, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    Like the idea that the standards are high and the consequences are followed up with. In years past we had a tendency to look past some indiscretions and give second and third chances with only reprimands or even less.

    I'm glad that I'm not the judge but I have confidence that the way it is going players will have a good idea that there will be consequences for certain actions.

    I believe the steps that are happening now with regard to the honor code and academics will help others to live the higher standards that that BYU represents.

    Good luck to all the players that are dealing with issues in their comeback, we all look forward to your return.

    Goooooooooooooo Cougars

    Aug. 28, 2014 8:11 p.m.

    Especially sorry to hear Johnson won't get his homecoming!

    At least with BYU and Bronco you always know you have to obey the team rules and the honor code or there will be consequences, regardless of how much the team needs you. You may not always know the consequences, but you know there will be some.