Sort of "My president, right or wrong," eh?
to Jcs on Friday morning...Great Croc wearing hordes? Needless to
say, I'm reminded of a David Lee Roth - Sensibe Shoes - but I digress.Western Civ has reached its Nadir; has it? How exactly is being a serf
in Feudal Europe where Religion called the shots better than 21st Century
America? Do Tell.
When a person takes over a position of authority, the job comes with a degree of
respect. It's up to him to keep it or lose it.
Nova Please enlighten us about the past 2 times bho attended
church, since you claim he goes regularly. Maybe he does, but once a month would
be a minimum for regularly. The man is a liar. He lied in the debates to get
elected. lied about Benghazi and what he claimed to be the cause of the crisis.
Lied about obamacare and what it would cost and how much it would save and what
plan you could have. Work ethic, I think there is nothing he words harder at
then his golf game. He avoids national/world security issues, because they are
difficult, and he doesn't have a clue. Back to the gold course!
Re: SuperNovaAll those things you say are noteworthy, and I agree with you
in regard to his marriage, family, and work ethic. I also rate presidents on
such things. But most importantly, as Mike Richards has pointed out so well, I
rate presidents first and foremost on how well they uphold their oath of office.
In this case, Mr. Obama has, in my opinion, been a total failure, as was his
predecessor, George W. Bush.
happy2bhere - I also wonder why all Republicans voted against the ACA when most
of them supported programs virtually the same as the ACA before Obama got behind
it. First of all I did not say they voted against it because he was the first
black president I just mentioned that he WAS the first black president. But
your response to my comment says a lot.Yes, many presidents (all of
them) have been called names by their opposition but tell me how many of them
have been interrupted during an address to Congress, in the House chamber, with
somebody calling them a liar. When did that ever happen previously and what
circumstance gave Congressman Wilson permission to say that, to be that
disruptive in that chamber when it never happened before? What is it in our
culture that has changed since 2008 that would make it appropriate for a
Congressman to do show such disrespect for the office of the president? Answer
that question honestly and you'll find the answer to the other questions
you asked.What horrible stuff did anybody say about Romney that
would compare with the disrespect they have shown Obama?
The picture of the United States may look like a puzzle. But that's where
the similarity ends. Those lines separating individual states are only
imaginary and don't really exist. America is one nation, made up of
individual but completely imaginary political kingdoms. Good, bad,
honest, or dishonest, the man or woman elected President of the United States of
America is deserving and it is demanded by our Constitution that he be given the
honor and respect of the American people. He does not have to "earn"
that respect. You don't have to agree with the man or the
majority who elect elected him but the rules say that you have to let him do his
job.The people who disrespect and actively work against the man who
is the president are criminals and have done great harm to America. Our
government and our nation are noticeable weaker and less important to the world
because of them. It will be all the people of America that will suffer the lose
of the American nation.
Silly letter. It's hard to fix our uniquely American mess when one party
(GOP) keeps trying to put dozens of pieces in the wrong puzzle. They keep trying
to put supply-side pieces into a puzzle where those pieces simply don't
fit. The last thing we need is more inequality, but that is all the Republicans
have offered. The latest? Krauthammer's (and other Repubs') call to
reduce corporate tax rates immediately. Sure, let's just keep reducing
taxes while the Baby Boom generation retires without any savings. That's a
great recipe for economic health. Oh, and did I mention keeping the minimum wage
at 1950 levels?
ECRTo respond. If the ACA was so bi-partisan, as you
seem to imply, which I don't agree with, then why did no Republican vote
for it? And why did Harry Reid and the Democrats practically have to twist
arms, threaten, and force it through? To say it is because Republicans did not
like a black President is so silly, and insulting to all Republicans, that you
shouldn't use that, even if you believe it. I can think of several black
people I'd like to see as President, and I'm sure most Republicans
would agree. It was the ACA as a whole and the politics of Mr. Obama that
Republicans disagreed with, not his skin color. As for calling the
President all those names, which I agree have been used, then one could apply
them to every President I've ever known of. The opposition party always
tries to make a President a "one-term" President. Just because the
Republicans admitted it, what, that is somehow an insult? Look at the horrible
stuff they said about Romney. How come it is only Obama who we should treat
differently? Because he's black?
@lost in DCOn what grounds would you call him nonreligious? He is a
self-professed Christian, and regularly attends Church. Jesus also
associated with known criminals (a woman guilty of adultery, the robber on the
cross, his disciples breaking the then understood Law of the Sabbath...)What duty has he shirked to accuse him of a weak work ethic? What lie did he tell to get elected? What lie did he tell to get Obamacare
passed? What lie has he told about the GOP? Specific examples please.As for President Clinton...I was 15 at the time. At the time (I was much,
much more conservative) I thought he deserved what he got. If he had
immediately confessed to his actions with Ms. Lewinsky I would say today he
would have had no grounds for impeachment.Again, you can disagree
with his policies and views; but they have nothing to do with the man.
Our esteemed President has multiple times the honesty and integrity of his
SuperNovastrong work ethic - I would disagreereligious man - I would
disagreeHarvard Law grad - so? the unibomber had a graduate degree from
Harvard.was a senator from Ill - so, Tailgunner Joe MacCarthy also held
elected officehe associated with known criminals - weather
undergroundunimpeachable character - you mean lying to get elected, lying
to get Obamacare passed, lying about the GOP - lying is OK for someone with
unimpeachable character?were you one calling for slick willy's
ouster because he obviously did NOT have many of those personal traits you
called unimpeachable, or were you vociferously defending him, too?Granted, his personal morals appear better than slick's, but we cannot
know for sure because of how much time he spent with the irreverand wright and
members of the weather undeground, but his policies and politics are beyond
horrible and extra-constitutional.
I apologize, I said impeachable character, should have said unimpeachable
@Emerger"The office is only as respectable as the man who holds
it."--------------------Well, let's look at the
man...Nothing has been shown whatsoever to indicate infidelity to to
his wife.He values and loves his family as any father would. I have read
he even tries to have dinner every night with his family (when possible)Has two intelligent, beautiful daughters, and tremendous class in whom he has
chosen for his wife.Has a strong work ethic (easily demonstrated by the
amount of "vacation days" he has taken)Religious manHas
tried to better himself as a person (He is no longer a smoker)Harvard Law
School graduateProfessor of Constitutional Law at a prestigious law
schoolWas one of two people to represent the People of Illinois in the US
Senate.Ran a successful grass roots campaign to become President (if not
the first to do this, probably the second)You may disagree with his
policies and politics, but the man himself has shown impeachable character.
happy2bhere said "we conservative/Republicans are glad that nothing is
getting done. What Obama wanted we did not want. So, for us, nothing getting
done is better than bad things (like ACA) getting done."Most
pragmatists would disagree with you. Getting something done would always be
better, even if it is not perfectly in line with your political conscience, than
doing nothing at all. President Obama made several concessions regarding the
ACA before it was passed. And many of the elements in the ACA were previously
supported, even championed, by Republicans until they became part of the
legislation proposed by our first black president.Compromise and
find common ground. That is how Congress worked for most of our history. You
are right to compliment Newt Gingrich. As much as I disagree with his
philosophies, I admit that he understood what the current Republican leadership
doesn't understand today, that working with, rather against the president
is the way to make good things happen. Our economy soared after they worked
together.The words spoken in public - "liar" "one term
president" etc. - will not endear the president to the Congress, not now,
not anytime in the future.
What is the duty of the President? Is he in office to implement HIS plans or is
he there to execute the laws passed by Congress? (Hint: The President cannot
legislate. The Constitution forbids any branch of government except Congress to
legislate.)If he can't legislate, then how do we judge him?
How can he earn our respect? He can earn it by faithfully honoring his oath of
office where he swore that he would protect and defend the Constitution. Has he
done that or has he stomped all over the Constitution?We don't
respect him because he does not respect us. He should be the one person in
America who can be counted upon to uphold the Constitution - as written. He has
refused to do that. He has used the "Chicago political
model" where his only purpose in office is to keep Democrats in power. Who
can respect someone who has done that?
The office is only as respectable as the man who holds it.
ECRJust so that you and others understand what has happened, we
conservative/Republicans are glad that nothing is getting done. What Obama
wanted we did not want. So, for us, nothing getting done is better than bad
things (like ACA) getting done. The system is working great for us right now.
A President who does not have the ego strength or experience to understand how
to approach the opposition and work out a deal of compromise. Most all of the
House and Senate have done that now for years. Both in Congress and in their
previous political offices. It is Obama who doesn't seem to understand the
political game. And all he needs to do is ask Bill Clinton who had to deal with
a much tougher Republican than anyone in the House now, Newt Gingrich. Clinton
made it work, even when Congress went against him. Obama pouts because he does
not get everything his way. That is the problem with electing a President who
had everything handed to him all his life and no one ever told him no, until he
The blah, blah, blah, in this forum is amusing. When I criticized Bushes Middle
East fiascos I was labeled a traitor. I was hit from all sides that the best
policy for America was watching Osama Bin Laden manipulate our destruction and
distract us from the real threats to our security. Since Bush's train wreck
we have had little of pulling up the old boots by the bootstraps and fixing
things as a nation, ie the well documented strategy of seditious obstructionism,
and consistent whine of conservative parrots that yearn for the good ole days of
starting wars and their fear that the path to oligarchy will be derailed. No, I
don't want to hear anymore of the fact-less hyperbole that POTUS is doing
anything other than what anyone else would have done under the same
circumstances because this is a first. I wonder what else about Obama was a
first? You're intelligent. You figure it out.
These types of kinder, gentler appeals appear as the Republicans sense a three
way Republican stranglehold, of the government, is on the horizon.The kinder, gentler Republican model implemented over the last 6 years will
not be soon forgotten by the opposition.
So here's another analogy: if the pilot of the aircraft we're flying
decides to land us in a live volcano, should we encourage him "because his
methods are different than most people?" Are we obligated to "accept
him" so that he can "complete the puzzle his way?" I can apply this
to George W. Bush or just about any other past president, so this isn't a
Republican vs. Democrat thing for me.
Just what would JCS 7:22 think of an Obama effort to reverse the trend
(according to JCS) towards a new Dark Age? Would he support a plan to reform and
regenerate society, or would he insist in these posts that Obama is no doubt a
tyrant who wants to use "reform" as an excuse for total government
Dose the author (Michael) mean like how the liberals accept and respect
President Bush? Or does he infer that only Democrat presidents are worthy of
JCS - The "great croc-wearling hordes" are now responsible for the
degradation of all of society? Isee you've used that term in previous
posts related to other articles. What is it about a specific type of shoe that
has led to that down fall? What the letter writer is suggesting, and nothing
more, is that it is perfectly acceptable to disagree with the president while
allowing him to do his job. In lieu of any meaningful action by the Republicans
in Congress, the president is doing what he legally can to move things forward.
And yes, higv, we all understand the constitutional makeup of our
government. But when the Congress, by their own admission, deliberately tries
to stifle any action in passing laws, they should expect the president to do
whatever he can. So far, the only real action the Republicans have taken is to
shut down the government and many of them are suggesting they will do that
again. If you're planning to write to your Congressman please tell THEM to
follow their constitutional duties and work for the common good of the nation
and not just for the selfish interests of those that finance their campaigns.
Spoken like a true Berliner of 1938.I guess Lech Walesa and the
Solidarity movement in Poland in the late 80s and all those who fled the iron
curtain were wrong?They all should have just accepted what they had
and been happy and supportive until something better came along?No,
we have a right and a RESPONSIBILITY to speak up when we don’t like what
our elected officials are doing.It is not only HOW he is putting the
pieces together that we decry, but the picture he is trying to create. His view
for our future is horribly disturbing and his extra-constitutional methods are
Stalinesque.In some cases we wish he DID have an idea – BO
admitted having no strategy for ISIS. They have been around since 2013, and he
doesn’t have a strategy how to deal with them? How many more Americans do
they need to murder before he’ll bother with them? He has time and energy
to demonize the GOP and try to grant amnesty to illegals, but none for ISIS?
Maybe when ISIS starts sneaking across our borders? Oh well, he has secret
service protection.Your call for blind subservience is extremely
Michael, first of all you are a little late with this. Your sentiment should
have come right after his re-election. Obama is now on the downside of his
Presidency, and could be very lame duck beginning next January. And we are a
very divided country right now. So, little gets done in an equally divided
government in Washington D.C. And that is why we have frequent elections in
America. Every two years for the whole House. So if things are stalled,
elections can get thing moving, IF that is what the people want. We'll see
IMO Mr. Lindstrom should get the "Letter to the editor of the year
award". Not because he is a Democrat, Republican or Independent, but
because of his common sense approach! Thats the good news! Bad new is that
hatred, bigotry and selfishness all to often trumps common sense! We will more
than likely witness some of this in following posts; as "SEY" posts
"There will be no mercy for this letter. Sit back and watch the train
There will be no mercy for this letter. Sit back and watch the train wreck.
Lindstrom's letter is absolute nonsense. We owe no duty to the President
which requires us to ignore and even support tactics which are clearly designed
to turn America into just another European-style post-Christian socialist state.
Sadly, this letter is representative of the thought process of much
of the public. In her seminal book Age of American Unreasonable, even a liberal
writer like Jacoby recognized that much of the public has no critical thinking
skills. No serious person can deny that Western Civilization has
truly reached its lowest point in several millennia. Essentially, the great
croc-wearing hordes are dragging society into depravity. Our society is rapidly
approaching a new Dark Age. This process will soon reach the stage of being
irreversible unless we act fast to protect what little refinement still exists
Instead of constantly criticizing our current president we should be more
concerned about the office of president itself. Many presidents, conservative
and liberal have been expanding the presidential powers for decades. Many people
abuse political power, this is an issue with our governmental/political culture,
not with any specific president.
Did you pass your American Government class? Did you realize there are 3
branches of government? The President can't get anything done without the
consent of Congress. If so he would have too much power. I read where Teddy
Roosevelt said Patriotism is supporting the President when he stands by the
country. Something to that effect. We have a duty to contact our congress and
tell them to support or not support what is in the best interest of the country.
Not blindly follow what he wants. Besides there is a thing called freedom of
speech and the press I will use that.
Puzzling analogy, but in any event Republicans want to take away as many puzzle
pieces as possible and thus prevent the president from solving the puzzle in any
Name one method our President has employed that hasn't been used by
Usually I try to get organized in salving a puzzle. Respect is earned, like the
office of the President. the man still hasn't earned mine.