Parents say daughter didn't understand her actions when she put baby in trash

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  • lledwards38 Canandaigua, NY
    Aug. 29, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Hockeymom is incorrect in her belief that a doctor could make a determination of the special needs of the child. An MD may note that there are special needs, but the school staff has trained personnel to make the specific diagnosis required for special education services.

    The school psychologist can test to determine the student's mental capacity and learning potential. A doctor is not qualified to do this. There was no indication that the woman needed medication; there is no medication to improve mental capacity. It's common for someone receiving special education services to have more than one diagnosis.

    The school staff works as a team to make the correct diagnoses of all the student needs. They also work together, with the parents to create the Individual service plan.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Aug. 29, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    Choosing sterilization for a mentally handicapped adult child by his/her conservator parents has been legal for years. The sad but indisputable truth is that certain mentally handicapped individuals may not now nor will ever be competent to choose between bearing or not bearing children, or among methods of contraception. Pregnancy is not a right. Ignoring prenatal care for the growing baby, which appears to be the case here, may even intrude on the rights of the child.

  • 100%TruePAtriot cincinnati, OH
    Aug. 28, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    The distraught parents of a woman accused of disposing of her newborn daughter in a trash can say their daughter has "special needs" and didn't understand what she was doing.

    Then she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place.

    I grow tired of people blaming their bad decisions on some sort of 'needs' issue.

    You know about it BEFORE you have a problem so you should take steps to PREVENT future problems.

    And if she is that bad off, how can she give consent for sex?
    If she can't, isn't that rape??

  • True Believer Utah, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    Perhaps the Trauma of being arrested and jailed will underline the importance of not throwing a baby in the trash like a piece of rubbish to be disposed of. There is more to this story that DNA will reveal...

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    It usually requires a Doctor to make a diagnosis of a special need. If the family was impoverished, that may not have been an option. The school system will test, use measuring tools, psychologists, resource people etc. to determine Individualized Education Plan needs, but don't have the ability to make a medical "diagnosis", or prescribe medication that may help. Though they can suspect and speculate, the parents would still need to visit a doctor, which costs money.

    Some special needs people have a really high pain threshold. It's possible she could labor and deliver without crying out. You'd think the amount of blood would have tipped off the mother though that this wasn't an ordinary period. And why not be alerted about a towel being carried outside? So many questions that will be determined as this thing unfolds.

  • lledwards38 Canandaigua, NY
    Aug. 28, 2014 6:45 a.m.

    I am questioning the understanding of her parents. They report that their daughter was never diagnosed, but she was in special education. She also reads at the third grade level.

    Children who are in special education classes must have a "diagnosis" in order to be placed in these programs. The purpose of these classes is to provide the services they need to get the most out of their education. The help she received from the school vocational counselors was because she was unable to function in a "regular" job. The mother complained that without a diagnosis, she didn't receive the help she needed.

    Each year the school is required by law to prepare an individual education plan for every special education student. This not only includes academic plans, but any therapies (occupation, speech, physical) necessary. The parents review the proposed plan. The school is then under mandate to provide the services outlined in the plan.

  • Lolly Lehi, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 6:15 a.m.

    Let's pray for the baby's full recovery. It may become a blessing for a couple waiting a long time to have a dream fulfilled of a child in their home. During my lifetime I have known individuals with mental capacities way below what is considered normal, graduate from high school. Society tries to assist that person to a better station in life and it doesn't always work. Dumping a baby in a garbage can is not "normal" but it is done by less and less due to the no fault law. I side first with the baby and her ability to survive and then to have compassion for this young, frightened, and mentally insecure woman.

    Hopefully there will be no victims in this case and all will survive the mistake made.

  • San Diego Orem, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 2:34 a.m.

    Don't be too quick to judge this woman as a criminal. It is obvious she did not understand what she should do.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:07 p.m.

    If she didn't understand what she was doing, then she down't have the necessary "understanding" to be a responsible parent, and the child should have been taken from her.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    Aug. 27, 2014 7:15 p.m.

    That this gal was living on her own is not a declaration of mental capacity. We have plenty of leaders in this nation who's sanity might be questioned as we witness irresponsible decisions. Being able to wash dishes, make a bed and turn over a portion of money received in exchange for rent and heat doesn't prove that she was able to understand much more than that.

    Perhaps the baby would be better off adopted, but again, this isn't proof of criminal intent. If the community is determined to see someone punished, then get some DNA sampling and locate the father; who I suspect knowingly took advantage of this gal's diminished mental capacity for his own pleasure without regards to her well being or potential offspring from the encounter, or possibly, encounters. It is easy to convince such a young lady that sex is a way of being a 'grown up'.

  • kattawn ,
    Aug. 27, 2014 6:13 p.m.

    There are 3 elements to determining if there has been criminal intent, one of which is having the mental state that you know what you're doing. This young woman may not have had the mental capacity to refuse sex nor to know what to do with a baby. She may not have even had the capacity to know she was pregnant. Only the psychologists can determine that.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    "Graduating" from HS may or may not mean the same thing for a disabled student as it means for a general education student. There are certificates of completion which means they basically did their time or the classes may have been completed with special education credits. Even without an official medical diagnosis, there should be a special education classification if she really has a learning disability. Surely they will get things sorted out. In any case, this poor girl should be allowed to see her parents or even out on bail if she really does have a disability. She's probably confused & scared to death sitting in jail.

  • DrGroovey Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    Something doesn't add up.

    It is not possible to graduate high school without being able to read and write unless you have a special education classification which requires a diagnosis.

    How can these grandparents have not know their daughter was pregnant? If she was as needy as they claim don't you think they would pay attention to something as obvious as, say, being pregnant?

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    I find it amazing many including myself were supportive of the mom who accidentally left their baby in the car, and she isn't facing charges. Yet this young mom is not in full health and mind. In this case we hopefully will have a live child when all is said and done. It is none of our business what her special need is. I hope we can be happy to let the system find family and supports. We aren't asking for the other moms other children to go to family services to supply people who don't have children with children because of her error. I am an adoptive parent. It is not about better. That is entitlement. She may be a victim of a crime as well. Was she being supervised by the state? It may not be her bio family that failed.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Aug. 27, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    The school bus stops coming at 22. You graduate whether you know how to read or write when you are disabled. She could not have gotten the job help without a determination of a need. The school helps with transfer to a job. A job like getting the carts together at the supermarket doesn't require literacy. There are people to help with the filling out of forms. In this case she could very well be a victim of rape. If she isn't capable of consenting to relations she is a victim. The court needs to figure out if she was able to consent, if so the father needs to be involved in the life of the child. If not he may need to do time, unless he to has a deficit, he could have been the victim. If they can raise the child with support of family then the child should be with the family. Again just cause you don't have a disability doesn't mean the child should just go to you because you are "better".

  • K_ANN Palatka, FL
    Aug. 27, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    If she was special needs, how come she was never diagnosed with anything? How do you graduate high school without being able to read or write or again, without being diagnosed? And, what kind of man gets a mentally unstable woman pregnant? We need more accountability from the biological father.

  • chelita Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    what a sad situation, the family is low functioning but want to raise that baby although in reality,that baby would be better off with another loving mother and father that can provide a good life. My amazing and wonderful daughter who has not been able to have any children would be so perfect for this baby. She is looking for adoption.

  • R.A.W St George, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    If this woman's mental state was stable enough for her to live on her own and have a job, she has no excuse for discarding her newborn baby in a trash can. Clearly she has issues, but the confession came from her own mouth, "I thought the baby would die and all my problems would be solved." This is negligence and attempted murder and should be treated as such.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    Who is the father? Where is the father?

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    She can't "read or write", but was still able to graduate from High School? I feel sorry for this family, but maybe it would be best for this baby to end up being adopted by a family that can function in society.

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    sad case. my question is a week ago some would say this child had NO rights. Also, does Winder have his own PR firm. This guy is everywhere around election time. The DN could use a few more pictures of him.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    Oh boy.... I hope this gets appropriately sorted out.