Lawmaker's proposal would offer free tuition if student can't finish degree in 8 semesters

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  • K Mchenry, IL
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    Schools find it a moneymaking scheme. They don't have enough classes for everyone in the major of their acceptance to get all their credits so they need to do a summer session or go into a fifth year. This way the school would make certain they have enough spots in enough classes for people to get the degree in the proper number of semesters.

  • apenny BLANDING, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    I don't think many of the commenters are understanding the purpose of this proposal. It's not about giving free tuition or working your way vs not, or any of the other complaints mentioned.
    Here's the problem that it's attempting to solve: A lot of universities will accept more students than can fit in their program. They tell you that it's a 4 year program, but then you need two higher level classes that are only offered every 3 years, or you need to take 4 different classes that are consistently offered at the exact same time. If I pay for tuition for 4 years, and do my best to graduate in a timely manner, but the school can't get organized enough to make it physically possible for me to graduate on time, they should have to pay. It's not about a government handout, it's about making the universities responsible for holding up their end of the bargain.

  • Goldminer Salem, ut
    Aug. 27, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    Another clear example of a "nice" idea but a stupid one...oh, wait, it was by a politician so we have to accept it!

    Look "Obama" Urquhart, what you are doing is making young people more dependent upon the government. You are taking away from them the incentive to work and grow and advance and encouraging people to be lazy and dependent. I WORKED my way through college; I know it can be difficult but I LEARNED how to do it and so have MY children. What YOU are proposing is to continue on the path to make everyone dependent upon the government so YOU can keep your position and make YOU feel better?

    A ridiculous idea...PERIOD!!!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Nothing is "FREE". So where is the school going to come up with this extra money? Raise the prices of textbooks? Charge to use the computer labs? Cut back library hours? Remove additional light bulbs from the buildings? Increase taxes on the population?

    This doesn't make sense. You're simply shifting the burden. The ones that will hurt the most, are the ones who don't go to a college or university. They then get to pay for other peoples education while not receiving one themselves.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 27, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    Is graduating in 4 years actually an indication of how well a student is doing?

    A lot of people have to work for a living, aside from going to school, an it's not really practical to expect them to knock out for consecutive years of college . . . Unless they're majoring in something incredibly easy . . .

    But then what's the point in funding an education like that?

    Aug. 27, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    I think I would go in a bit of a different direction than IKIILIILI. I think students need to take courses that inform them more of the human experience, as opposed to courses that teach them how to fiddle with current technology. For example, while the other engineering majors around me were taking Music Appreciation 101 to fulfill their humanities general ed requirement, I was suffering through mid-level philosophy courses learning metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, and so forth. And while I still question the sanity of that choice, I'm glad I did it because it gave me a better foundation for understanding the human experience.

    But then if higher education is nothing more than vocational training, then perhaps "I Know It" has the right idea. In that case, there should still be a choice to actually get an education rather than just vocational training.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Aug. 26, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    Proud EXMO: It happens all the time. Pick a major. The requirements for the degree are laid out. But the closer you get to graduating, you find you cannot get the classes you need because they are not scheduled for that semester, or the required classes are scheduled in the same time slot. So your 4 year degree takes longer.

    And then there is the priority thing (sometimes written, sometimes not). Recruited students (i.e. jocks, foreigners, nonresidents, philanthropist-Daddy kids, grant carriers) who will boost the income get first consideration for school resource allocation.

    This proposal says the school will provide the opportunity to graduate in a timely manner, or pay for the overtime.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 9:41 p.m.

    I have 3 problems with higher education. Until these 3 things are fixed, I'm convinced that any other effort is futile.

    It needs to be timely for people who can only take the minimum full time requirement. If you work full time, 21 credit hours isn't going to happen. Designing it for students who have help doesn't work for those who don't have it.

    Curriculum = crap. I'll never use the math and biology courses I took in my life or career choice. I appreciate the knowledge. But I'd rather have taken excel and personal finance with that time and money spent. I'd also rather every student take the same instead of classes which aren't even remotely related to your major. Communication skills are weak in freshmen. I get it. But don't make students learn about a Phospholipid Bilayer if it will NEVER help them.

    Less book "knowledge" and more real world experience. If you don't teach people how to make it in the real world, then as an investment, school is a waste. I've known brilliant people without diplomas and less than brilliant with them, both successful and unsuccessful.

    Aug. 26, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    It seems backwards to me. Tuition should increase if a student can't get done in 8 semesters.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 8:50 p.m.

    Let's provide incentives to graduate in 4 yours by making the cost per credit hour $x for the first four years of undergraduate classes, and $x +$100 for each credit hour of undergraduate work taken in the fifth or later year. Otherwise, you have no incentive for "career students" to ever get done with school and get a real job.

    Change that to the base price for the first however many hours it takes to graduate if you want to allow for folks who cannot take a full course load, and then bump it up after they have taken the equivalent of enough hours for a bachelor's degree.

  • humbug Syracuse/Davis, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 8:05 p.m.

    The only way to graduate in 8 semesters is to take at least 16 hours of credit per semester. Most kids who are working are not able to take this many hours. So this program will mostly benefit kids who come from wealthy families and thus don't have to work much.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 6:22 p.m.

    Two ways to go with this:

    1) This is a stupid proposal

    2) Right idea but all college should be paid for like they do in many countries...

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    I'm afraid that the "devil would be in the details". I wouldn't trust the University to follow the spirit of the law, much less the law itself.

    I have a better idea.

    Why not fund the student - rather than the institution.

    By this I mean: grant every graduating high school student a certain amount of "tuition vouchers" to use at WHATEVER institution he/she chooses. We need STOP all tax dollars flowing to Universities without regard to how good a job they are doing!

    So......say the "tuition credit" amounted to 5k - the student would be free to spend it at a meat cutting school, a University, or a private educational institution. When the money is gone he'd be - on his own.

    This concept would FORCE the public institutions to compete with, not only other Universities, but, also private ones. Public institutions would be forced with compete not only academically, but cost-wise as well.

    Public Universities have gotten more than "fat and happy" over the years. Isn't it time we STOPPED funding them whether they do a good job - or not?

  • ProudEXMO Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 26, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    I don't understand this proposal....

    He says that the student would have a map to follow and if he/she stays on that map and doesn't graduate in 8 semesters they would get free tuition.

    What is the scenario under which this could even occur???

    How could the student follow map and not graduate in 8 semesters?